dave wrote:
D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 9/28/09 01:25 , Brenda Ann wrote:
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I was talking to my old buddy on the phone this afternoon.One of his
sons works for Bell South (at&t) here in Jackson, he is a Techinal
Engineer at the phone company.

He said in a year, there will be no more land lines phone lines in
America.When I asked him, Why? He said becouse so many people nowadays
have cell phones and land line maintnance has gotten too expensive for
the phone companies.

What a Ca - tas - toe - strope! ~ Jimmy Durante.
cuhulin

I have an old school phone line. I have measured service for
$6.50/month. You want a copper pair if you can get one, especially if
you're getting old and live alone. 9-1-1 isn't reliable any other way.

They still have to maintain landlines for their ADSL and TV over
phone line
services. Don't believe for a minute that they will toss out their cash
cow(s).




They're moving to bundled voice-internet-TV. When ATT installs
U-Verse, around here, the first thing they do is cut the copper. In
many cases, if possible, they remove the drop line from the pole, so
the pair can't be reactivated. Verizon cuts the copper when they
install FiOS. Comcast cuts ATT's copper when they install their bundle.

U Verse is twisted pair from a box in your neighborhood. Fiber to the
Node.

The only place they do FTTP is where no copper pair ever existed, e.g.
new housing.

That divorced Bell South woman who used to live next door to me a few
years ago, and she moved back to Natchez.(can't blame her for that!) She
gave me her cell phone number when she used to live next door.I didn't
ask her for her cell phone number.I will see can I phone her tonight and
ask her.

Thingy is though, she also gave her cell phone number to some kids
(brats) who used to live across the street from doggy's couch.She once
told me those damn kids were bugging the hell out of her, calling her on
her cell phone.I suppose she has changed her cell phone number since
then.

www.devilfinder.com
Julie Emerick Bell South
cuhulin

D. Peter Maus wrote:

snip
They're moving to bundled voice-internet-TV. When ATT installs
U-Verse, around here, the first thing they do is cut the copper. In many
cases, if possible, they remove the drop line from the pole, so the pair
can't be reactivated. Verizon cuts the copper when they install FiOS.
Comcast cuts ATT's copper when they install their bundle.

This was recently discussed in comp.dcom.telecom and the consensus was
that such assertions were FUD. Please consider providing some evidence
of this practice, and also consider contributing your observations
to the appropriate threads in comp.dcom.telecom. Observations by yourself
or third parties and photographic evidence may be useful in PUC
proceedings.

Michael

On 9/28/09 11:55 , msg wrote:
D. Peter Maus wrote:

snip
They're moving to bundled voice-internet-TV. When ATT installs
U-Verse, around here, the first thing they do is cut the copper. In
many cases, if possible, they remove the drop line from the pole, so
the pair can't be reactivated. Verizon cuts the copper when they
install FiOS. Comcast cuts ATT's copper when they install their bundle.

This was recently discussed in comp.dcom.telecom and the consensus was
that such assertions were FUD. Please consider providing some evidence
of this practice, and also consider contributing your observations
to the appropriate threads in comp.dcom.telecom. Observations by yourself
or third parties and photographic evidence may be useful in PUC
proceedings.

Michael



My statements have been based on personal observations of the
'installation' process in my neighborhood. Comcast definitely cuts
the copper.

Verizon's website has a notation in it's FiOS FAQ about it.

ATT has so far presented no documents relating to this, but when
my g/f had her U-Verse installed, they cut the copper and removed
the drop from the building.

ATT reps are hitting me up monthly to make the conversion, and to
motivate me, the statements noted were made. If that's FUD, which it
may be, given the source, there is support in my observations of the
installations I've had experience with.

I'll be taking photos where I can during an installation. Video,
if I can get into a position for meaningful context.

dave wrote:

U Verse is twisted pair from a box in your neighborhood. Fiber to the
Node.

Well, sorta correct. Twisted pair (copper) back to the V-rad or SLC. (~
3.5 kilofoot limitation for U-verse service). Then fiber back to the
C.O. (central office), not "node".

D. Peter Maus wrote:

ATT has so far presented no documents relating to this, but when my
g/f had her U-Verse installed, they cut the copper and removed the drop
from the building.

This is quite puzzling...what did they replace the drop with? Another
piece of copper? Fiber? Or, when you say "building", do you mean a large
apartment complex, large enough to support/justify its own V-rad?

The "standard" U-verse architecture is copper from the home to the
V-rad. I guess it's possible that in some parts of the country, they are
running fiber to the home (although for years, that has not proven to be
cost effective due to the optical to electrical conversion required at
each and every house).

On 9/28/09 13:30 , Nick Danger wrote:
D. Peter Maus wrote:

ATT has so far presented no documents relating to this, but when my
g/f had her U-Verse installed, they cut the copper and removed the
drop from the building.

This is quite puzzling...what did they replace the drop with? Another
piece of copper? Fiber? Or, when you say "building", do you mean a large
apartment complex, large enough to support/justify its own V-rad?


Building--The house. Private residence. They ran a data line,
removed the analog copper. Replaced one drop with another. The
installer said the goal is eventually to connect fibre to the building.




The "standard" U-verse architecture is copper from the home to the
V-rad. I guess it's possible that in some parts of the country, they are
running fiber to the home (although for years, that has not proven to be
cost effective due to the optical to electrical conversion required at
each and every house).


That's what Verizon is doing with FiOS, and ATT is doing in some
areas.

I just came back from camping where cellphone reception does not work.
Only a landline.

The good news though, DX reception on shortwave was incredible at this
location. (remote western South Carolina)

When the divorced Bell South woman put her house next door to me up for
sale and she moved back to Natchez, twice I phoned her cell phone number
(in Natchez, (Actually, she lives in an area by the name of Old River,
near Natchez) something about her house.Each time, she said, Hang on,
let me get in a better cell phone signal area.

She once showed me a couple of cell phone camera photos she took of the
area where she lives,,, It is BEAUTIFULL.Moss on the trees, just like my
half acre of land I own in Interlachen Lakes, Florida.
cuhulin

Another thingy about those Damn cell phones, Radiation levels.I just now
clicked on www.techchee.com

If y'all wants to check it out?
cuhulin