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Health Care is not constitutionally based
"dave" wrote in message ... Editor RadioTalkingPoints wrote: More or less, a serious illness can drive treatment costs up to the value of a new car, and not even treat the condition, which is the point I am driving at. Common sense tells you that you can't saddle your government with those kind of expenditures and expect to not have problems. Health care was not meant to be mandated by the government, health care was simply that act of God that is not meant to be regulated by government. What's next, we all need cars, we all need homes, we all need college educations, we all need foreign travel to different countries to learn how to integrate into the "world community"? You could say the same about the military. You have a real insincere quality. I think of you as a lagging weather vane. My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life, liberty and pursuit of happiness thing. Cars, education, and foreign travel are perks, not rights. Homes... well, shelter is one of the three basic needs to preserve life, but people have lived over the centuries in open caves, straw huts, wooden shacks, frame houses, igloos. People still live in the three latter, plus the occasional cardboard box or bridge.. Were it up to me, all vacant buildings in inner cities would be converted to indigent housing, with a requirement for some form of recompense (community service, etc.) from those who live there, and a legitimate effort thereby to better their own lot. But then, I'm not likely to ever have my way. |
Health Care is not constitutionally based
Brenda Ann wrote:
My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life, liberty and pursuit of happiness thing. The Declaration of Independence was a rabble-rousing pamphlet, not law. "Provide for the Common Defense" (from the Constitution) covers it for me. Disease is a bigger enemy than any sandbox with oil. |
Health Care is not constitutionally based
Brenda Ann wrote:
vane. My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life, liberty and pursuit of happiness thing. Interesting to note that, when paraphrasing Locke and others, Jefferson changes "property" to "pursuit of happiness". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life,_l...t_of_happiness |
Health Care is not constitutionally based
On Oct 27, 5:29*am, "Brenda Ann"
wrote: "dave" wrote in message ... Editor RadioTalkingPoints wrote: More or less, a serious illness can drive treatment costs up to the value of a new car, and not even treat the condition, which is the point I am driving at. * Common sense tells you that you can't saddle your government with those kind of expenditures and expect to not have problems. Health care was not meant to be mandated by the government, health care was simply that act of God that is not meant to be regulated by government. *What's next, we all need cars, we all need homes, we all need college educations, we all need foreign travel to different countries to learn how to integrate into the "world community"? You could say the same about the military. You have a real insincere quality. *I think of you as a lagging weather vane. My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life, liberty and pursuit of happiness thing. *Cars, education, and foreign travel are perks, not rights. Homes... well, shelter is one of the three basic needs to preserve life, but people have lived over the centuries in open caves, straw huts, wooden shacks, frame houses, igloos. People still live in the three latter, plus the occasional cardboard box or bridge.. Were it up to me, all vacant buildings in inner cities would be converted to indigent housing, with a requirement for some form of recompense (community service, etc.) from those who live there, and a legitimate effort thereby to better their own lot. But then, I'm not likely to ever have my way. -if- Health Care is a 'basic' Human Right : Then All Doctors Nurses and Medical Professionals should be part of a National Health Care {Civil} Service; and All Clinics and Hospitals Owned and Operated by the US Federal Government. * Peg Basic RN Nurses' Pay to the Military O-1 * Peg Basic Doctors' Pay to the Military O-3 -ps- All Medical Schools and Training is Owned and Controlled by the US Federal Government and all Trainees and Graduates are required to Work for the US Federal Government Medical Corps. |
Health Care is not constitutionally based
RHF wrote:
-if- Health Care is a 'basic' Human Right : Then All Doctors Nurses and Medical Professionals should be part of a National Health Care {Civil} Service; and All Clinics and Hospitals Owned and Operated by the US Federal Government. That's how Cuba works, isn't it? That's not how Medicare works, however. The most radical progressive idea on this matter is Medicare for All. Not state hospitals and a medical corps. |
Health Care is not constitutionally based
On Oct 29, 5:25*am, dave wrote:
RHF wrote: -if- Health Care is a 'basic' Human Right : Then All Doctors Nurses and Medical Professionals should be part of a National Health Care {Civil} Service; and All Clinics and Hospitals Owned and Operated by the US Federal Government. That's how Cuba works, isn't it? That's not how Medicare works, however. *The most radical progressive idea on this matter is Medicare for All. *Not state hospitals and a medical corps. Medicare is a Single Payer System that is 'run' by {but not owned by} the US Federal Government. + Side Medicare Pays for the Treatment - Side Medicare Does Not Own The Means of Care and Treatment http://lpa.igc.org/lpv42/lpp42_medicare.html One 'new' Medical School in each US State to train "GP" Doctors for Public Health Care Clinics. Two 'new' Nursing Schools in each US State to train "Clinical" Nurses for Public Health Care Clinics. One 'new' Public Health Care Clinics in each US County to serve and practice Preventative Medicine and keep people 'well' and out of Hospitals. {Rural Counties First} |
Health Care is not constitutionally based
RHF wrote:
Medicare is a Single Payer System that is 'run' by {but not owned by} the US Federal Government. + Side Medicare Pays for the Treatment - Side Medicare Does Not Own The Means of Care and Treatment http://lpa.igc.org/lpv42/lpp42_medicare.html One 'new' Medical School in each US State to train "GP" Doctors for Public Health Care Clinics. Two 'new' Nursing Schools in each US State to train "Clinical" Nurses for Public Health Care Clinics. One 'new' Public Health Care Clinics in each US County to serve and practice Preventative Medicine and keep people 'well' and out of Hospitals. {Rural Counties First} . You DO want the Cuban system! |
Health Care is not constitutionally based
On Oct 27, 7:29*am, "Brenda Ann"
wrote: My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life, liberty and pursuit of happiness thing. * Just try squaring that "opt-out" provision for states with the Constitution's "equal protection" clauses. How do you make different Obamacare - or the same Obamacare at different prices depending on what state you're in - square with those "equal protection" clauses of the Constitution? http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/0...your-townhall/ is the all-states, continually-updated calendar of "town halls." http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff! |
Health Care is not constitutionally based
On Oct 30, 6:09*am, " wrote:
On Oct 27, 7:29*am, "Brenda Ann" wrote: My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life, liberty and pursuit of happiness thing. * - Just try squaring that "opt-out" provision for states with the - Constitution's "equal protection" clauses. *How do you make different - Obamacare - or the same Obamacare at different prices depending on - what state you're in - square with those "equal protection" clauses of - the Constitution? http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/0...ur-townhall/is the all-states, continually-updated calendar of "town halls." http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com- your source for hard-to-find stuff! IMHO - The so-called Opt-Out provision is just smoke and mirrors. Reality Check HR XXXX Page 92 within 3 Years all 'Private' Health Plans must meet the same "Standards" {be a Qualified Plan} as the PUBIC {Big Government} Health Plan -result- your former 'Private' Health Plans can be no worse {and no better} that PUBIC {Big Government} Health Plan Do-The-Math {Individuals} : Continue to Pay More for your 'Private' Health Plan with coverage that is no better than the PUBIC {Big Government} Health Plan -or- Drop your 'Private' Health Plan and pay the $800 per Year for the PUBIC {Big Government} Health Plan. Do-The-Math {Small Businesses} : Continue to Pay More for your 'Private' Health Plan for your Employees with coverage that is no better than the PUBIC {Big Government} Health Plan -or- Drop your Employees 'Private' Health Plan and pay the $800 per Year Fine for the PUBIC {Big Government} Health Plan. Within a Decade many/most Americans will be Forced into the PUBIC {Big Government} Health Plan -aka- Obama-Care© Conclusion : Obama-Care© is Liberal-Fascism ~ RHF |
(OT) -if- Health Care is a 'basic' Human Right -was- Health Care isnot constitutionally based
On Oct 30, 5:24*am, dave wrote:
RHF wrote: Medicare is a Single Payer System that is 'run' by {but not owned by} the US Federal Government. + Side Medicare Pays for the Treatment - Side Medicare Does Not Own The Means of Care and Treatment http://lpa.igc.org/lpv42/lpp42_medicare.html One 'new' Medical School in each US State to train "GP" Doctors for Public Health Care Clinics. Two 'new' Nursing Schools in each US State to train "Clinical" Nurses for Public Health Care Clinics. One 'new' Public Health Care Clinics in each US County to serve and practice Preventative Medicine and keep people 'well' and out of Hospitals. {Rural Counties First} *. - You DO want the Cuban system! -if- Health Care is a 'basic' Human Right * * * therefore-it-follows * * * ~ RHF |
Health Care is not constitutionally based
On Oct 30, 11:47*pm, dave wrote:
RHF wrote: Conclusion : Obama-Care© is Liberal-Fascism ~ RHF *. I believe that's why he got elected. *The People wanted control back from the corporatistas. And instead they got a communist jack boot on their neck. |
Health Care is not constitutionally based
On Oct 31, 10:42*am, Somebody Somewhere wrote:
Conclusion : Obama-Care© is Liberal-Fascism ~ RHF *. I believe that's why he got elected. *The People wanted control back from the corporatistas. And instead they got a communist jack boot on their neck. Well, sure, for a given value of "communist jack boot on their neck": in this case meaning "a centrist liberal ballet slipper abandoned somewhere near them". And BTW: it's "jack-boot". (If you're going to be a proper jack-booted- thug, you've got to start getting those little things right.) |
Health Care is not constitutionally based
Somebody Somewhere wrote:
On Oct 30, 11:47 pm, dave wrote: RHF wrote: Conclusion : Obama-Care© is Liberal-Fascism ~ RHF . I believe that's why he got elected. The People wanted control back from the corporatistas. And instead they got a communist jack boot on their neck. Somebody's a drama queen. The corporations had a nice run, now it's freedom's turn. |
Health Care is not constitutionally based
On Oct 27, 7:29*am, "Brenda Ann"
wrote: "dave" wrote in message ... Editor RadioTalkingPoints wrote: More or less, a serious illness can drive treatment costs up to the value of a new car, and not even treat the condition, which is the point I am driving at. * Common sense tells you that you can't saddle your government with those kind of expenditures and expect to not have problems. Health care was not meant to be mandated by the government, health care was simply that act of God that is not meant to be regulated by government. *What's next, we all need cars, we all need homes, we all need college educations, we all need foreign travel to different countries to learn how to integrate into the "world community"? You could say the same about the military. You have a real insincere quality. *I think of you as a lagging weather vane. My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life, liberty and pursuit of happiness thing. *Cars, education, and foreign travel are perks, not rights. Homes... well, shelter is one of the three basic needs to preserve life, but people have lived over the centuries in open caves, straw huts, wooden shacks, frame houses, igloos. People still live in the three latter, plus the occasional cardboard box or bridge.. Were it up to me, all vacant buildings in inner cities would be converted to indigent housing, with a requirement for some form of recompense (community service, etc.) from those who live there, and a legitimate effort thereby to better their own lot. But then, I'm not likely to ever have my way. Yes, exactly Brenda Ann. Lump in health care with that pursuit of happiness clause. If it makes you happy to have health care then go out and pursue a job that compensates well enough and pay for it yourself. Don't take my hard earned money away from me in order to pay for your gosh darn health care. You go to school and study hard and you will do well. If a person is developmentally challenged then no problem, we all chip in and take care of him/her. If the person ****ed off in school and never studied then he gets what he deserves - no health care. regards, NEO |
Health Care is not constitutionally based
N9NEO wrote:
On Oct 27, 7:29 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote: "dave" wrote in message ... Editor RadioTalkingPoints wrote: More or less, a serious illness can drive treatment costs up to the value of a new car, and not even treat the condition, which is the point I am driving at. Common sense tells you that you can't saddle your government with those kind of expenditures and expect to not have problems. Health care was not meant to be mandated by the government, health care was simply that act of God that is not meant to be regulated by government. What's next, we all need cars, we all need homes, we all need college educations, we all need foreign travel to different countries to learn how to integrate into the "world community"? You could say the same about the military. You have a real insincere quality. I think of you as a lagging weather vane. My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life, liberty and pursuit of happiness thing. Cars, education, and foreign travel are perks, not rights. Homes... well, shelter is one of the three basic needs to preserve life, but people have lived over the centuries in open caves, straw huts, wooden shacks, frame houses, igloos. People still live in the three latter, plus the occasional cardboard box or bridge.. Were it up to me, all vacant buildings in inner cities would be converted to indigent housing, with a requirement for some form of recompense (community service, etc.) from those who live there, and a legitimate effort thereby to better their own lot. But then, I'm not likely to ever have my way. Yes, exactly Brenda Ann. Lump in health care with that pursuit of happiness clause. If it makes you happy to have health care then go out and pursue a job that compensates well enough and pay for it yourself. Don't take my hard earned money away from me in order to pay for your gosh darn health care. You go to school and study hard and you will do well. If a person is developmentally challenged then no problem, we all chip in and take care of him/her. If the person ****ed off in school and never studied then he gets what he deserves - no health care. That's just plain mean. No wonder this country is over. |
Health Care is not constitutionally based
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:59:03 -0700, N9NEO wrote:
On Oct 27, 7:29Â*am, "Brenda Ann" wrote: "dave" wrote in message ... My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life, liberty and pursuit of happiness thing. Â*Cars, education, and foreign travel are perks, not rights. Homes... well, shelter is one of the three basic needs to preserve life, but people have lived over the centuries in open caves, straw huts, wooden shacks, frame houses, igloos. People still live in the three latter, plus the occasional cardboard box or bridge.. Were it up to me, all vacant buildings in inner cities would be converted to indigent housing, with a requirement for some form of recompense (community service, etc.) from those who live there, and a legitimate effort thereby to better their own lot. But then, I'm not likely to ever have my way. Yes, exactly Brenda Ann. Lump in health care with that pursuit of happiness clause. If it makes you happy to have health care then go out and pursue a job that compensates well enough and pay for it yourself. Don't take my hard earned money away from me in order to pay for your gosh darn health care. You go to school and study hard and you will do well. If a person is developmentally challenged then no problem, we all chip in and take care of him/her. If the person ****ed off in school and never studied then he gets what he deserves - no health care. regards, NEO All is good for you until you get cancer and loose your job, house and insurance. Then you will demand the government owes you something. Or will you simply pack you grocery cart and leave willingly? I drought that. |
Health Care is not constitutionally based
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:59:03 -0700, N9NEO wrote:
On Oct 27, 7:29Â*am, "Brenda Ann" wrote: "dave" wrote in message ... My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life, liberty and pursuit of happiness thing. Â*Cars, education, and foreign travel are perks, not rights. Homes... well, shelter is one of the three basic needs to preserve life, but people have lived over the centuries in open caves, straw huts, wooden shacks, frame houses, igloos. People still live in the three latter, plus the occasional cardboard box or bridge.. Were it up to me, all vacant buildings in inner cities would be converted to indigent housing, with a requirement for some form of recompense (community service, etc.) from those who live there, and a legitimate effort thereby to better their own lot. But then, I'm not likely to ever have my way. Yes, exactly Brenda Ann. Lump in health care with that pursuit of happiness clause. If it makes you happy to have health care then go out and pursue a job that compensates well enough and pay for it yourself. Don't take my hard earned money away from me in order to pay for your gosh darn health care. You go to school and study hard and you will do well. If a person is developmentally challenged then no problem, we all chip in and take care of him/her. If the person ****ed off in school and never studied then he gets what he deserves - no health care. regards, NEO All is good for you until you get cancer and loose your job, house and insurance. Then you will demand the government owes you something. Or will you simply pack you grocery cart and leave willingly? I drought that. |
Health Care is not constitutionally based in USA but iseverywhere else
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:59:03 -0700, N9NEO wrote:
On Oct 27, 7:29Â*am, "Brenda Ann" wrote: "dave" wrote in message ... My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life, liberty and pursuit of happiness thing. Â*Cars, education, and foreign travel are perks, not rights. Homes... well, shelter is one of the three basic needs to preserve life, but people have lived over the centuries in open caves, straw huts, wooden shacks, frame houses, igloos. People still live in the three latter, plus the occasional cardboard box or bridge.. Were it up to me, all vacant buildings in inner cities would be converted to indigent housing, with a requirement for some form of recompense (community service, etc.) from those who live there, and a legitimate effort thereby to better their own lot. But then, I'm not likely to ever have my way. Yes, exactly Brenda Ann. Lump in health care with that pursuit of happiness clause. If it makes you happy to have health care then go out and pursue a job that compensates well enough and pay for it yourself. Don't take my hard earned money away from me in order to pay for your gosh darn health care. You go to school and study hard and you will do well. If a person is developmentally challenged then no problem, we all chip in and take care of him/her. If the person ****ed off in school and never studied then he gets what he deserves - no health care. regards, NEO All is good for you until you get cancer and loose your job, house and insurance. Then like a hypocrite, you will demand the government owes you something. Or will you simply pack you grocery cart and leave willingly? I drought that. |
Health Care is not constitutionally based
On Nov 1, 2:10*pm, Ima wrote:
I drought that. Sort of a Biblical Flood in reverse, eh? And three times over, to boot! |
(OT) Warning Your Private Medical Insurance Premiums Could Triple [3X] Under Obama-Care©
On Oct 30, 5:37*pm, RHF wrote:
On Oct 30, 5:24*am, dave wrote: RHF wrote: Medicare is a Single Payer System that is 'run' by {but not owned by} the US Federal Government. + Side Medicare Pays for the Treatment - Side Medicare Does Not Own The Means of Care and Treatment http://lpa.igc.org/lpv42/lpp42_medicare.html One 'new' Medical School in each US State to train "GP" Doctors for Public Health Care Clinics. Two 'new' Nursing Schools in each US State to train "Clinical" Nurses for Public Health Care Clinics. One 'new' Public Health Care Clinics in each US County to serve and practice Preventative Medicine and keep people 'well' and out of Hospitals. {Rural Counties First} *. - You DO want the Cuban system! -if- Health Care is a 'basic' Human Right * * * therefore-it-follows * * * ~ RHF *. Job Based and Wage Based Funding for a Universal Health Care System is a Doomed and Failed System : IT TAXES DOMESTIC PRODUCTS {GOODS} AND SERVICES -and- Lets Imported Products {Goods} and Services Go Un-Taxed. A Universal Value-Added-Tax [VAT] that TAXES both Domestic and Imported Products and Services Equally is the preferred and better way to Universally Fund and Pay for a Universal Health Care System -and- the US Federal Government in general. REALITY CHECK - Wage and Income Taxes are dumb, Dumb. DUMB ! for any Country that is a Net Importer of Products {Goods} and Services like the USA has become in the 21st Century. 1 - Abolish the US Federal Income Tax for 90% of Working Americans with : 2 - Flat Value-Added-Tax [VAT] on all Products {Goods} and Services for everyone making less than $250K per Year {10%~15%} 2 - Flat Income Tax that is equal to the Value- Added-Tax [VAT] on everyone making above $250K per Year *{10%~15%} 3 - Double Flat Income Tax that is Double the Value-Added-Tax [VAT] on everyone making above $2.5 Million per Year *{20%~30%} 4 - Triple Flat Income Tax that is Triple the Value-Added-Tax [VAT] on everyone making above $25 Million per Year *{30%~45%} 5 - Four-Times Flat Income Tax that is 4X the Value-Added-Tax [VAT] on everyone making above $250 Million per Year *{40%~60%} NOTE - All those who try to tell you that a simple Flat Value-Added-Tax [VAT] System will do are Lying to you and are trying to SCAM you. Again -if- Health Care is a 'basic' Human Right : Then it must be Universally Funded where all 'basically' Pay Equally for It; plus 'some' Pay More Accordingly To Their Means. ~ RHF =PS= Obama-Care© is Fundamentally Flawed because it is Fund By Taxing Incomes and Wages. *. Warning Your Private Medical Insurance Premiums Could Triple Under Obama-Care© -source- WSJ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...177212064.html * It's Only 'Fair' cause someone has to Pay for the Health Care of the Working Poor * It's Only 'Fair' cause someone has to Pay for the Health Care of the Unemployed * It's Only 'Fair' cause someone has to Pay for the Health Care of the Illegal Aliens * Tripling your Private Medical Insurance Premiums now that's 'Change' you can feel in your Wallet. WAY TO GO PREZ OBAMA ! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2372687/posts WAY TO GO NANCY PELOSI and the Democrat Controlled US House ! http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/s...ad.php?t=82071 WAY TO GO Harry Reid and the Democrat Controlled US Senate ! http://www.heartland.org/full/26263/...evelation.html |
(OT) Warning Your Private Medical Insurance Premiums Could Triple [3X] Under Obama-Care©
On Nov 1, 5:12*pm, RHF wrote:
(SNIP) Ah, the annual holiday fruitcake season is upon us once more! |
(OT) Warning Your Private Medical Insurance Premiums Could Triple [3X] Under Obama-Care©
On Nov 1, 10:52*pm, Twibil wrote:
On Nov 1, 5:12*pm, RHF wrote: (SNIP) - Ah, the annual holiday fruitcake season - is upon us once more! =WRT= Prez Obama & Holiday Fruitcake .. . . for that 'connection' you would have to ask {don't tell} Larry Sinclair http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...3ce81795facf71 |
(OT) Warning Your Private Medical Insurance Premiums Could Triple [3X] Under Obama-Care©
On Nov 1, 11:08*pm, RHF wrote:
- Ah, the annual holiday fruitcake season - is upon us once more! =WRT= Prez Obama & Holiday Fruitcake (SNIP) And oddly enough, this year it's the fruitcakes who are sending things rather than being sent themseves! (But thanx for making my point to anyone out there who missed it the first time past.) We now return you to your regularly scheduled Palinista, er, programming. (And don't the words "Palinista" and "programming" go together well?) };-P |
(OT) Warning Your Private Medical Insurance Premiums Could Triple [3X] Under Obama-Care©
(OT) Warning Your Private Medical Insurance Premiums Could Triple 3X] Under Obama-Care©
Never mind taht without Obama Care your premiums will increase alot more than triple. We've had no Obama care in the last few years and Medical Insurance Premium have gone up alot more than triple. |
(OT) Warning Your Private Medical Insurance Premiums Could Triple [3X] Under Obama-Care©
On Nov 2, 10:45*am, wrote:
(OT) Warning Your Private Medical Insurance Premiums Could Triple 3X] Under Obama-Care© - Never mind taht without Obama Care your - premiums will increase alot more than triple. - - We've had no Obama care in the last few years - and Medical Insurance Premium have gone up - alot more than triple. Great that's just so much ObamaBot© Obama-Imgination Point-of-Fact : By 2018 the US National Health Care expenditures {Costs} are 'expected' to reach $4.4 Trillion which is more than double 2007 http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml -so- So Obama-Care's© Tripling of Health Care Cost would add a 50% Increase {Tax} do to the cost of Obama-Care© |
(OT) Warning Your Private Medical Insurance Premiums Could Triple [3X] Under Obama-Care©
On Nov 1, 11:26*pm, Twibil wrote:
On Nov 1, 11:08*pm, RHF wrote: - Ah, the annual holiday fruitcake season - is upon us once more! =WRT= Prez Obama & Holiday Fruitcake (SNIP) And oddly enough, this year it's the fruitcakes who are sending things rather than being sent themseves! (But thanx for making my point to anyone out there who missed it the first time past.) We now return you to your regularly scheduled Palinista, er, programming. (And don't the words "Palinista" and "programming" go together well?) };-P =WRT= Prez Obama & Holiday Fruitcake .. . . for that 'connection' you would have to ask {don't tell} Larry Sinclair http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...3ce81795facf71 |
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