"dave" wrote in message
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Editor RadioTalkingPoints wrote:


More or less, a serious illness can drive treatment costs up to the
value of a new car, and not even treat the condition, which is the
point I am driving at. Common sense tells you that you can't saddle
your government with those kind of expenditures and expect to not have
problems.


Health care was not meant to be mandated by the government, health
care was simply that act of God that is not meant to be regulated by
government. What's next, we all need cars, we all need homes, we all
need college educations, we all need foreign travel to different
countries to learn how to integrate into the "world community"?

You could say the same about the military.

You have a real insincere quality. I think of you as a lagging weather
vane.

My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life,
liberty and pursuit of happiness thing. Cars, education, and foreign travel
are perks, not rights. Homes... well, shelter is one of the three basic
needs to preserve life, but people have lived over the centuries in open
caves, straw huts, wooden shacks, frame houses, igloos. People still live in
the three latter, plus the occasional cardboard box or bridge.. Were it up
to me, all vacant buildings in inner cities would be converted to indigent
housing, with a requirement for some form of recompense (community service,
etc.) from those who live there, and a legitimate effort thereby to better
their own lot. But then, I'm not likely to ever have my way.

Brenda Ann wrote:

My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life,
liberty and pursuit of happiness thing.

The Declaration of Independence was a rabble-rousing pamphlet, not law.

"Provide for the Common Defense" (from the Constitution) covers it for
me. Disease is a bigger enemy than any sandbox with oil.

Brenda Ann wrote:

vane.

My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life,
liberty and pursuit of happiness thing.
Interesting to note that, when paraphrasing Locke and others, Jefferson
changes "property" to "pursuit of happiness".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life,_l...t_of_happiness

On Oct 27, 5:29*am, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:
"dave" wrote in message

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Editor RadioTalkingPoints wrote:

More or less, a serious illness can drive treatment costs up to the
value of a new car, and not even treat the condition, which is the
point I am driving at. * Common sense tells you that you can't saddle
your government with those kind of expenditures and expect to not have
problems.

Health care was not meant to be mandated by the government, health
care was simply that act of God that is not meant to be regulated by
government. *What's next, we all need cars, we all need homes, we all
need college educations, we all need foreign travel to different
countries to learn how to integrate into the "world community"?

You could say the same about the military.

You have a real insincere quality. *I think of you as a lagging weather
vane.

My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life,
liberty and pursuit of happiness thing. *Cars, education, and foreign travel
are perks, not rights. Homes... well, shelter is one of the three basic
needs to preserve life, but people have lived over the centuries in open
caves, straw huts, wooden shacks, frame houses, igloos. People still live in
the three latter, plus the occasional cardboard box or bridge.. Were it up
to me, all vacant buildings in inner cities would be converted to indigent
housing, with a requirement for some form of recompense (community service,
etc.) from those who live there, and a legitimate effort thereby to better
their own lot. But then, I'm not likely to ever have my way.

-if- Health Care is a 'basic' Human Right : Then
All Doctors Nurses and Medical Professionals
should be part of a National Health Care {Civil}
Service; and All Clinics and Hospitals Owned
and Operated by the US Federal Government.
* Peg Basic RN Nurses' Pay to the Military O-1
* Peg Basic Doctors' Pay to the Military O-3
-ps- All Medical Schools and Training is Owned
and Controlled by the US Federal Government
and all Trainees and Graduates are required to
Work for the US Federal Government Medical
Corps.

RHF wrote:


-if- Health Care is a 'basic' Human Right : Then
All Doctors Nurses and Medical Professionals
should be part of a National Health Care {Civil}
Service; and All Clinics and Hospitals Owned
and Operated by the US Federal Government.

That's how Cuba works, isn't it?

That's not how Medicare works, however. The most radical progressive
idea on this matter is Medicare for All. Not state hospitals and a
medical corps.

On Oct 29, 5:25*am, dave wrote:
RHF wrote:

-if- Health Care is a 'basic' Human Right : Then
All Doctors Nurses and Medical Professionals
should be part of a National Health Care {Civil}
Service; and All Clinics and Hospitals Owned
and Operated by the US Federal Government.

That's how Cuba works, isn't it?

That's not how Medicare works, however. *The most radical progressive
idea on this matter is Medicare for All. *Not state hospitals and a
medical corps.

Medicare is a Single Payer System that is 'run' by
{but not owned by} the US Federal Government.
+ Side Medicare Pays for the Treatment
- Side Medicare Does Not Own The Means
of Care and Treatment
http://lpa.igc.org/lpv42/lpp42_medicare.html

One 'new' Medical School in each US State
to train "GP" Doctors for Public Health Care
Clinics.

Two 'new' Nursing Schools in each US State
to train "Clinical" Nurses for Public Health Care
Clinics.

One 'new' Public Health Care Clinics in each
US County to serve and practice Preventative
Medicine and keep people 'well' and out of
Hospitals. {Rural Counties First}

RHF wrote:


Medicare is a Single Payer System that is 'run' by
{but not owned by} the US Federal Government.
+ Side Medicare Pays for the Treatment
- Side Medicare Does Not Own The Means
of Care and Treatment
http://lpa.igc.org/lpv42/lpp42_medicare.html

One 'new' Medical School in each US State
to train "GP" Doctors for Public Health Care
Clinics.

Two 'new' Nursing Schools in each US State
to train "Clinical" Nurses for Public Health Care
Clinics.

One 'new' Public Health Care Clinics in each
US County to serve and practice Preventative
Medicine and keep people 'well' and out of
Hospitals. {Rural Counties First}
.

You DO want the Cuban system!

On Oct 27, 7:29*am, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:
My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life,
liberty and pursuit of happiness thing. *

Just try squaring that "opt-out" provision for states with the
Constitution's "equal protection" clauses. How do you make different
Obamacare - or the same Obamacare at different prices depending on
what state you're in - square with those "equal protection" clauses of
the Constitution?

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/0...your-townhall/ is
the all-states, continually-updated calendar of "town halls."

http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!

On Oct 30, 6:09*am, " wrote:
On Oct 27, 7:29*am, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:

My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life,
liberty and pursuit of happiness thing. *

- Just try squaring that "opt-out" provision for states with the
- Constitution's "equal protection" clauses. *How do you make
different
- Obamacare - or the same Obamacare at different prices depending on
- what state you're in - square with those "equal protection" clauses
of
- the Constitution?

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/0...ur-townhall/is
the all-states, continually-updated calendar of "town halls."

http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com- your source for hard-to-find stuff!

IMHO - The so-called Opt-Out provision
is just smoke and mirrors.

Reality Check HR XXXX Page 92 within 3 Years
all 'Private' Health Plans must meet the same
"Standards" {be a Qualified Plan} as the PUBIC
{Big Government} Health Plan -result- your former
'Private' Health Plans can be no worse {and no
better} that PUBIC {Big Government} Health Plan

Do-The-Math {Individuals} :
Continue to Pay More for your 'Private' Health Plan
with coverage that is no better than the PUBIC {Big
Government} Health Plan -or- Drop your 'Private'
Health Plan and pay the $800 per Year for the
PUBIC {Big Government} Health Plan.

Do-The-Math {Small Businesses} :
Continue to Pay More for your 'Private' Health Plan
for your Employees with coverage that is no better
than the PUBIC {Big Government} Health Plan -or-
Drop your Employees 'Private' Health Plan and pay
the $800 per Year Fine for the PUBIC {Big Government}
Health Plan.

Within a Decade many/most Americans will be
Forced into the PUBIC {Big Government} Health
Plan -aka- Obama-Care©

Conclusion : Obama-Care© is Liberal-Fascism ~ RHF

On Oct 30, 5:24*am, dave wrote:
RHF wrote:

Medicare is a Single Payer System that is 'run' by
{but not owned by} the US Federal Government.
+ Side Medicare Pays for the Treatment
- Side Medicare Does Not Own The Means
of Care and Treatment
http://lpa.igc.org/lpv42/lpp42_medicare.html

One 'new' Medical School in each US State
to train "GP" Doctors for Public Health Care
Clinics.

Two 'new' Nursing Schools in each US State
to train "Clinical" Nurses for Public Health Care
Clinics.

One 'new' Public Health Care Clinics in each
US County to serve and practice Preventative
Medicine and keep people 'well' and out of
Hospitals. {Rural Counties First}
*.

- You DO want the Cuban system!

-if- Health Care is a 'basic' Human Right
* * * therefore-it-follows * * * ~ RHF