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New Contract for America?
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:22:56 +0900, "Brenda Ann"
puked: "MagneticEnergy" wrote in message ... Freeze property tax rates, no raising of tax rates from the original purchase price of the house or commercial property (until it is resold). Big city politicians frequently trample over citizen rights by raising appraisal values, instead of controlling spending, and frequently force people into the real estate market or into foreclosure, especially when citizens can not get pay raises. Rising property values are pointless when the property is not sold, and that is a problem of REAL GREED in America? AND you won't get all these kooky ideas to help millions of Americans that do NOT want to work based on imaginary money, but real value? Now there is a proposal I can really get behind. Tax property on what is actually PAID for it, not what some pencil pusher says it should be worth, since the property owner isn't getting any more use out of the property than he did when it was bought, major improvements notwithstanding, of course. Where in the country are home values higher than they were in, say, 2005? They should be dropping for most people. -- lab~rat :-) Do you want polite or do you want sincere? |
New Contract for America?
On 11/5/09 08:13 , lab~rat :-) wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:22:56 +0900, "Brenda Ann" puked: wrote in message ... Freeze property tax rates, no raising of tax rates from the original purchase price of the house or commercial property (until it is resold). Big city politicians frequently trample over citizen rights by raising appraisal values, instead of controlling spending, and frequently force people into the real estate market or into foreclosure, especially when citizens can not get pay raises. Rising property values are pointless when the property is not sold, and that is a problem of REAL GREED in America? AND you won't get all these kooky ideas to help millions of Americans that do NOT want to work based on imaginary money, but real value? Now there is a proposal I can really get behind. Tax property on what is actually PAID for it, not what some pencil pusher says it should be worth, since the property owner isn't getting any more use out of the property than he did when it was bought, major improvements notwithstanding, of course. Where in the country are home values higher than they were in, say, 2005? They should be dropping for most people. -- lab~rat:-) Do you want polite or do you want sincere? There are a number of regions in Cook, Lake and DuPage counties, Illinois, where home values have gone up. My own went down from the peak in 2007. The YL's place in Buffalo Grove went up. Interesting to note, however, that both locations are currently higher than they were in 2005. There's a lot of generalizing, in all these discussions. The truth is, that not everyone's property values have dropped. Some are higher, now, than they were at the previous peak. Few, to be sure. But it is happening. The general result is that scheduled tax reassessments have been delayed in areas where there has been dramatic value loss, but reassessments have been accelerated in areas where there has been value increase to cash in on increased revenue stream. Rule of thumb: the government will never do with less. Whether you do or not. |
New Contract for America?
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:34:12 -0600, "D. Peter Maus"
puked: On 11/5/09 08:13 , lab~rat :-) wrote: On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:22:56 +0900, "Brenda Ann" puked: wrote in message ... Freeze property tax rates, no raising of tax rates from the original purchase price of the house or commercial property (until it is resold). Big city politicians frequently trample over citizen rights by raising appraisal values, instead of controlling spending, and frequently force people into the real estate market or into foreclosure, especially when citizens can not get pay raises. Rising property values are pointless when the property is not sold, and that is a problem of REAL GREED in America? AND you won't get all these kooky ideas to help millions of Americans that do NOT want to work based on imaginary money, but real value? Now there is a proposal I can really get behind. Tax property on what is actually PAID for it, not what some pencil pusher says it should be worth, since the property owner isn't getting any more use out of the property than he did when it was bought, major improvements notwithstanding, of course. Where in the country are home values higher than they were in, say, 2005? They should be dropping for most people. -- lab~rat:-) Do you want polite or do you want sincere? There are a number of regions in Cook, Lake and DuPage counties, Illinois, where home values have gone up. My own went down from the peak in 2007. The YL's place in Buffalo Grove went up. Interesting to note, however, that both locations are currently higher than they were in 2005. That's interesting, and good for you. In S. Florida, we have it among the worst in the country. My home is still worth twice what I paid for it in '99. There's a lot of generalizing, in all these discussions. The truth is, that not everyone's property values have dropped. Some are higher, now, than they were at the previous peak. Few, to be sure. But it is happening. The general result is that scheduled tax reassessments have been delayed in areas where there has been dramatic value loss, but reassessments have been accelerated in areas where there has been value increase to cash in on increased revenue stream. Rule of thumb: the government will never do with less. Whether you do or not. Right? After the peak of the housing boom down here, we're wondering all the money went when taxes were high and why the Town couldn't go back to the budgets prior to 2005. There's a lesson to be learned here with all of these expensive programs this administration is throwing out there. The taxes will go up and it will be hard to bring them back down. -- lab~rat :-) Do you want polite or do you want sincere? |
New Contract for America?
On Nov 5, 7:24*am, "lab~rat :-)" wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:34:12 -0600, "D. Peter Maus" puked: On 11/5/09 08:13 , lab~rat :-) wrote: On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:22:56 +0900, "Brenda Ann" *puked: *wrote in message .... Freeze property tax rates, no raising of tax rates from the original purchase price of the house or commercial property (until it is resold). Big city politicians frequently trample over citizen rights by raising appraisal values, instead of controlling spending, and frequently force people into the real estate market or into foreclosure, especially when citizens can not get pay raises. Rising property values are pointless when the property is not sold, and that is a problem of REAL GREED in America? *AND you won't get all these kooky ideas to help millions of Americans that do NOT want to work based on imaginary money, but real value? Now there is a proposal I can really get behind. Tax property on what is actually PAID for it, not what some pencil pusher says it should be worth, since the property owner isn't getting any more use out of the property than he did when it was bought, major improvements notwithstanding, of course. Where in the country are home values higher than they were in, say, 2005? *They should be dropping for most people. -- lab~rat:-) Do you want polite or do you want sincere? * There are a number of regions in Cook, Lake and DuPage counties, Illinois, where home values have gone up. My own went down from the peak in 2007. The YL's place in Buffalo Grove went up. * Interesting to note, however, that both locations are currently higher than they were in 2005. That's interesting, and good for you. *In S. Florida, we have it among the worst in the country. *My home is still worth twice what I paid for it in '99. * There's a lot of generalizing, in all these discussions. The truth is, that not everyone's property values have dropped. Some are higher, now, than they were at the previous peak. Few, to be sure. But it is happening. * The general result is that scheduled tax reassessments have been delayed in areas where there has been dramatic value loss, but reassessments have been accelerated in areas where there has been value increase to cash in on increased revenue stream. * Rule of thumb: the government will never do with less. Whether you do or not. Right? *After the peak of the housing boom down here, we're wondering all the money went when taxes were high and why the Town couldn't go back to the budgets prior to 2005. There's a lesson to be learned here with all of these expensive programs this administration is throwing out there. *The taxes will go up and it will be hard to bring them back down. -- lab~rat *:-) Do you want polite or do you want sincere? Business -axiom- Work Expands to Fill the Time. Government -axiom- Budgets Expand to Exceed the Tax Base © -wrt- The Mind-Set of Government Bureaucrats to Always Spend Their Budgets and Ask for More Next Year. -wrt2- The Tax Base {People} 'Exists' To Support Government. -v- Government 'Exists' to Support the People {Tax Base}. |
New Contract for America?
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New Contract for America?
Some of the home values around here have gone up.
I own a half acre of land in Putnam County, Northeast Florida.The value of my half acre of land in Florida has gone up, considerably up. cuhulin |
New Contract for America?
D. Peter Maus wrote:
Rule of thumb: the government will never do with less. Whether you do or not. Rule of USA style democracy: You ARE the government. People who bitch about the government are calling attention to their own failures. |
New Contract for America?
D. Peter Maus wrote:
The general result is that scheduled tax reassessments have been delayed in areas where there has been dramatic value loss, but reassessments have been accelerated in areas where there has been value increase to cash in on increased revenue stream. Rule of thumb: the government will never do with less. Whether you do or not. Here in Florida, people are still paying taxes on the "inflated" rates during the "boom" years. This place is lousy with For Sale signs, Foreclosure Signs, and overgrown yards where people just walked away. |
New Contract for America?
lab~rat :-) wrote:
That's interesting, and good for you. In S. Florida, we have it among the worst in the country. My home is still worth twice what I paid for it in '99. Good for you! Our house is upside down big time! Our friends are/were in the same boat. BTW, I am in Martin County, and friends are in Palm Beach and Broward. |
New Contract for America?
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:15:36 -0800 (PST), RHF
puked: Here is a 'basic' New Contract for America ! # 1 - Federal Help Main Street -not- Wall Street and the International Bankers Which is the exact opposite from what has been happening lately. And by lately, I'm including the past ten months. -- lab~rat :-) Do you want polite or do you want sincere? |
New Contract for America?
D. Peter Maus wrote:
snip There are a number of regions in Cook, Lake and DuPage counties, Illinois, where home values have gone up. My own went down from the peak in 2007. The YL's place in Buffalo Grove went up. Interesting to note, however, that both locations are currently higher than they were in 2005. There's a lot of generalizing, in all these discussions. The truth is, that not everyone's property values have dropped. Some are higher, now, than they were at the previous peak. Few, to be sure. But it is happening. The general result is that scheduled tax reassessments have been delayed in areas where there has been dramatic value loss, but reassessments have been accelerated in areas where there has been value increase to cash in on increased revenue stream. Rule of thumb: the government will never do with less. Whether you do or not. If spending is constant and all assessed property went down 10%, the mil rate will go up 10% because it's determined by dividing the amount they're spending by the total assessed value of all property on the tax roll. To reduce taxes, you need to cut spending or you need new development that doesn't include many school kids. (Around here a house that sells for $800,000 is assessed at $560,000 and won't generate enough property tax to pay for one student in school) Most of a town or city budget is for payroll and benefits for union workers. Those are very hard expenses to control because of binding arbitration. As a result, you need to be aggressive about controlling spending in every line item you can. It also pays to look at the long haul because sometimes spending a little extra money now will save you a bunch of money down the road. In my city, our mil rate is 18.61 - well below surrounding towns, and we provide services like trash collection that other area towns don't include. Fiscally conservative Republicans have dominated our government for 18 years. If you're involved in your local government or are contemplating getting involved, I can suggest some ideas that have helped us the most. (email me direct) |
New Contract for America?
On Nov 5, 12:11*pm, "Mark S. Holden" wrote:
D. Peter Maus wrote: snip * There are a number of regions in Cook, Lake and DuPage counties, Illinois, where home values have gone up. My own went down from the peak in 2007. The YL's place in Buffalo Grove went up. * Interesting to note, however, that both locations are currently higher than they were in 2005. * There's a lot of generalizing, in all these discussions. The truth is, that not everyone's property values have dropped. Some are higher, now, than they were at the previous peak. Few, to be sure. But it is happening. * The general result is that scheduled tax reassessments have been delayed in areas where there has been dramatic value loss, but reassessments have been accelerated in areas where there has been value increase to cash in on increased revenue stream. * Rule of thumb: the government will never do with less. Whether you do or not. If spending is constant and all assessed property went down 10%, the mil rate will go up 10% because it's determined by dividing the amount they're spending by the total assessed value of all property on the tax roll. To reduce taxes, you need to cut spending or you need new development that doesn't include many school kids. (Around here a house that sells for $800,000 is assessed at $560,000 and won't generate enough property tax to pay for one student in school) Most of a town or city budget is for payroll and benefits for union workers. *Those are very hard expenses to control because of binding arbitration. *As a result, you need to be aggressive about controlling spending in every line item you can. *It also pays to look at the long haul because sometimes spending a little extra money now will save you a bunch of money down the road. In my city, our mil rate is 18.61 - well below surrounding towns, and we provide services like trash collection that other area towns don't include. - *Fiscally conservative Republicans have dominated - our government for 18 years. Domination by Republicans . . . The EVIL of It All ! shake-off the domination of the evil ones :o) If you're involved in your local government or are contemplating getting involved, I can suggest some ideas that have helped us the most. (email me direct) Property Values can go Up and Down {mostly up} -but- Government Spending Always Goes Up Up and Away ! |
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