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On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:43:22 -0600, John Galt wrote:
dave wrote: John Galt wrote: Whatever floats your boat. I support free markets and getting the government the hell out of the way. Hartmann doesn't. JG "...Greenspan, 82, acknowledged under questioning that he had made a “mistake” in believing that banks, operating in their own self-interest, would do what was necessary to protect their shareholders and institutions. Greenspan called that “a flaw in the model ... that defines how the world works.”... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27335454/ So much for what you support. Not in the least. A flaw in the model doesn't mean you throw the model away. You fix the flaw and move on. Greenspan went on to declare his continued faith in the free market system. So much for your puerile response. The flaw cannot be fixed but through proper regulation. Ans if that means isolationism then so be it. -- "Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson |
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Poetic Justice got it right.
EVERYBODY in government is INCOMPETENT! Not only that, they (''they'') Are NINCOMPOOPS too! cuhulin |
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Evangelist Who Took Child 'Brides' Is Sentenced To 175 Years.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=278206 At first, I thought it was Profit Stair. Lets me git back tu mah ''rat killin'.Sawing sheets of 4' by 8' plywood strayte uppa teh middle (ya got to hit it in the middle if ya wants to git a little) and puttin em in mah attic so ahh kin stash ah lot of mah junk uppa thar.Ahh bort six more sheets uv plywood atz teh Lowe's store tahdey. cuhulin |
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"Poetic Justice" wrote in message ... Sid9 wrote: "John Galt" wrote in message ... dave wrote: John Galt wrote: dave wrote: Do you remember Iran-Contra? Reagan had more convicted staffers than any president since Grant probably. Nixon wins that metric, but Reagan had his share. However, if you use that metric, the best president in modern times was GW Bush, with zero convictions from the Cabinet or key staff. I'm guessing you dislike that fact. JG You obviously don't remember Iran Contra. I do very well. He wasn't under discussion. JG Herbert Pappy Bush never gets any mess on himself. Too bad about Bill Casey. . . Incompetence is not illegal! In government it is mandatory!! .. .. That's the "Amiable Dunce's" theory...remember him? Reagan? Then there was the plain old dunce, bush,jr who appointed fdools where ever he could so he would look better... Ashcroft, of the blue drape, Gonzales of the poor memory, and the FEMA guy....the EPA people, Rumsfeld, the tactician, last but not least he chose Cheney to be his boss. Reagan taught you that the "government" was your enemy...If you believed it you're a fool. A majority of us elected people who are our neighbors to run our government...you don't like them? Campaign against them at election time and vote against them. |
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Sid9 wrote:
"Poetic Justice" wrote in message . . That's the "Amiable Dunce's" theory...remember him? Reagan? Then there was the plain old dunce, bush,jr who appointed fdools where ever he could so he would look better... Ashcroft, of the blue drape, Gonzales of the poor memory, and the FEMA guy....the EPA people, Rumsfeld, the tactician, last but not least he chose Cheney to be his boss. Reagan taught you that the "government" was your enemy...If you believed it you're a fool. A majority of us elected people who are our neighbors to run our government...you don't like them? Campaign against them at election time and vote against them. As weird as he was, Ashcroft refused to give Bush unlimited power. |
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"dave" wrote in message ... Sid9 wrote: "Poetic Justice" wrote in message . . That's the "Amiable Dunce's" theory...remember him? Reagan? Then there was the plain old dunce, bush,jr who appointed fdools where ever he could so he would look better... Ashcroft, of the blue drape, Gonzales of the poor memory, and the FEMA guy....the EPA people, Rumsfeld, the tactician, last but not least he chose Cheney to be his boss. Reagan taught you that the "government" was your enemy...If you believed it you're a fool. A majority of us elected people who are our neighbors to run our government...you don't like them? Campaign against them at election time and vote against them. As weird as he was, Ashcroft refused to give Bush unlimited power. .. .. Ashcroft was part bush,jr's "matched set" .. .. The wrecking crew of America. |
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"Sid9" wrote in -
september.org: "dave" wrote in message ... Sid9 wrote: "Poetic Justice" wrote in message . . That's the "Amiable Dunce's" theory...remember him? Reagan? Then there was the plain old dunce, bush,jr who appointed fdools where ever he could so he would look better... Ashcroft, of the blue drape, Gonzales of the poor memory, and the FEMA guy....the EPA people, Rumsfeld, the tactician, last but not least he chose Cheney to be his boss. Reagan taught you that the "government" was your enemy...If you believed it you're a fool. A majority of us elected people who are our neighbors to run our government...you don't like them? Campaign against them at election time and vote against them. As weird as he was, Ashcroft refused to give Bush unlimited power. . . Ashcroft was part bush,jr's "matched set" . . The wrecking crew of America. Still wrong after all these years, sidney Your stupid slanders based on DNC myths are making you look stupid |
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On Nov 14, 3:36*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:50:00 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: Europe has been relying on the USA to generate the wealth to keep Europe free for the last 70 years. We made their Socialism work, as we fail so shall their Socialism. You dingbat - You wouldn't know a socialist if one kicked you. Goose Stepping is a good indication . . . http://www.diggerhistory.info/images...goose-step.jpg National "Socialist" German Worker's Party (NSDAP) -aka- The NAZIs |
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On Nov 14, 3:14*pm, dave wrote:
John Galt wrote: dave wrote: Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: Freedom is Libertarian, and it may be gone for ever, Socialism has never worked and was extinct before it ever lived. What? *Don't tell the Europeans. Why not? They're not socialist. They're social democracies. HUGE difference. JG "...modern social democracy has deviated from socialism, and supports the idea of a mixed economy which incorporates elements of both socialism and capitalism.[2] Social democrats aim to reform capitalism democratically through state regulation and the creation of programs that work to counteract or remove the social injustice and inefficiencies they see as inherent in capitalism. A product of this effort has been the modern democratic welfare state. This approach significantly differs from traditional socialism, which aims to replace the capitalist system entirely with a new economic system characterized by either state or direct worker ownership of the means of production. - In many countries, social democrats continue to exist alongside - democratic socialists, who stand to the left of them on the political - spectrum. The two movements sometimes operate within the same political - party, such as the Brazilian Workers' Party[3] and the French Socialist - Party. In recent years, several social democratic parties (in - particular, the British Labour Party) have embraced more centrist, Third - Way policy positions. This development has generated considerable - controversy..." -source- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy |
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On Nov 15, 2:46*am, John Galt wrote:
dave wrote: John Galt wrote: dave wrote: Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: Freedom is Libertarian, and it may be gone for ever, Socialism has never worked and was extinct before it ever lived. What? *Don't tell the Europeans. Why not? They're not socialist. They're social democracies. HUGE difference. JG "...modern social democracy has deviated from socialism, and supports the idea of a mixed economy which incorporates elements of both socialism and capitalism.[2] Social democrats aim to reform capitalism democratically through state regulation and the creation of programs that work to counteract or remove the social injustice and inefficiencies they see as inherent in capitalism. A product of this effort has been the modern democratic welfare state. This approach significantly differs from traditional socialism, which aims to replace the capitalist system entirely with a new economic system characterized by either state or direct worker ownership of the means of production. In many countries, social democrats continue to exist alongside democratic socialists, who stand to the left of them on the political spectrum. The two movements sometimes operate within the same political party, such as the Brazilian Workers' Party[3] and the French Socialist Party. In recent years, several social democratic parties (in particular, the British Labour Party) have embraced more centrist, Third Way policy positions. This development has generated considerable controversy..." - Correct. However, the core difference is that social democrats recognize - that government ownership of the means of production is, at its core, - counterproductive to a prosperous society. (Even though they may very - well own certain productive processes deemed essential to society, they - do so not because they think they can improve their efficiency, but - because they feel it necessary to prioritize the process differenly than - the free market would allot.) - - Socialists refuse to recognize this. - - JG Sort of like a Government Enterprise being Taxed by the very same Government. Imagine -if- the IRS had to Pay a Corporate Income Tax on the Income Taxes that it Collected from the Tax Payers. Tax Payers = Share Holders in the Government. Then imagine the IRS Paying a Dividend to the American Tax Payers for the Taxes that they had Paid from the Taxes that the IRS had Paid on those very same Taxes. Hey Socialism can Create Money Through Taxes-On-Taxes with no external inputs. what goes around comes around ~ RHF |
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On Nov 14, 9:15*pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
dog.com wrote: John Galt wrote: dave wrote: Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: Freedom is Libertarian, and it may be gone for ever, Socialism has never worked and was extinct before it ever lived. What? *Don't tell the Europeans. Why not? They're not socialist. They're social democracies. HUGE difference. JG Do you think the Europeans will decide to defend themselves and pay for their Socialism? How will that work? * They barely have any economy as it is... *Add in the 20% it will cost to keep a real army and they will be pushing 95% taxes for the average worker. *It will also drop their GDP to a -19.5% GDP. -- The Europeans do not have the Will and the Capital to Fully Defend themselves on their own. Once the USA is Bankrupt in the next Decade and can no longer support it's Military and resigns as a Global Peacekeeper: The Europeans will be at the 'mercy' of Russia, China, India and OPEC. USA is Bankruptcy will happen when the US Dollar is Devaluated to 20~25 Cents on the Dollar if 'we' Americans are Lucky -or- to 5~10 Cents on the Dollar if 'we' Americans are Unlucky. ~ RHF |
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On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:14:53 -0800, RHF wrote:
On Nov 14, 3:36*pm, wrote: On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:50:00 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: Europe has been relying on the USA to generate the wealth to keep Europe free for the last 70 years. We made their Socialism work, as we fail so shall their Socialism. You dingbat - You wouldn't know a socialist if one kicked you. Goose Stepping is a good indication . . . http://www.diggerhistory.info/images...goose-step.jpg National "Socialist" German Worker's Party (NSDAP) -aka- The NAZIs . The "federalists" of the 1780's were actually the "unionists". If the English language is held to account the "anti-federalist" were the true defenders of the federation described in the "Articles of Confederation" and the so called "federlists" were the "unionists". By adopting the moniker of "federalist" these unionists left the true federalist with a serious political problem and forced them to the defensive posture of being against something as opposed to _for_ something. They became the "anti-federalists". It is much the same thing with the "National Socialist German Workers Party". http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/m...i-fascism.html The movement led by the "National Socialist German Worker's Party" was fascist just as the movement of the federalists was actually unionist and the opposite of true federalism. Ain't politics grand? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party -- "Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson |
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On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:30:07 -0800, RHF wrote:
On Nov 15, 2:46*am, John Galt wrote: dave wrote: John Galt wrote: dave wrote: Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: Freedom is Libertarian, and it may be gone for ever, Socialism has never worked and was extinct before it ever lived. What? *Don't tell the Europeans. Why not? They're not socialist. They're social democracies. HUGE difference. JG "...modern social democracy has deviated from socialism, and supports the idea of a mixed economy which incorporates elements of both socialism and capitalism.[2] Social democrats aim to reform capitalism democratically through state regulation and the creation of programs that work to counteract or remove the social injustice and inefficiencies they see as inherent in capitalism. A product of this effort has been the modern democratic welfare state. This approach significantly differs from traditional socialism, which aims to replace the capitalist system entirely with a new economic system characterized by either state or direct worker ownership of the means of production. In many countries, social democrats continue to exist alongside democratic socialists, who stand to the left of them on the political spectrum. The two movements sometimes operate within the same political party, such as the Brazilian Workers' Party[3] and the French Socialist Party. In recent years, several social democratic parties (in particular, the British Labour Party) have embraced more centrist, Third Way policy positions. This development has generated considerable controversy..." - Correct. However, the core difference is that social democrats recognize - that government ownership of the means of production is, at its core, - counterproductive to a prosperous society. (Even though they may very - well own certain productive processes deemed essential to society, they - do so not because they think they can improve their efficiency, but - because they feel it necessary to prioritize the process differenly than - the free market would allot.) - - Socialists refuse to recognize this. - - JG Sort of like a Government Enterprise being Taxed by the very same Government. Imagine -if- the IRS had to Pay a Corporate Income Tax on the Income Taxes that it Collected from the Tax Payers. Tax Payers = Share Holders in the Government. Then imagine the IRS Paying a Dividend to the American Tax Payers for the Taxes that they had Paid from the Taxes that the IRS had Paid on those very same Taxes. Hey Socialism can Create Money Through Taxes-On-Taxes with no external inputs. what goes around comes around ~ RHF . The rightarded refuse to understand that government is simply NOT a business. Government is not supposed to make a profit and it is not actually advisable for government to operate without _SMALL_ deficits. -- "Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson |
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"Michael Coburn" wrote in message ... On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:14:53 -0800, RHF wrote: On Nov 14, 3:36 pm, wrote: On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:50:00 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: Europe has been relying on the USA to generate the wealth to keep Europe free for the last 70 years. We made their Socialism work, as we fail so shall their Socialism. You dingbat - You wouldn't know a socialist if one kicked you. Goose Stepping is a good indication . . . http://www.diggerhistory.info/images...goose-step.jpg National "Socialist" German Worker's Party (NSDAP) -aka- The NAZIs . The "federalists" of the 1780's were actually the "unionists". If the English language is held to account the "anti-federalist" were the true defenders of the federation described in the "Articles of Confederation" and the so called "federlists" were the "unionists". By adopting the moniker of "federalist" these unionists left the true federalist with a serious political problem and forced them to the defensive posture of being against something as opposed to _for_ something. They became the "anti-federalists". It is much the same thing with the "National Socialist German Workers Party". http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/m...i-fascism.html The movement led by the "National Socialist German Worker's Party" was fascist just as the movement of the federalists was actually unionist and the opposite of true federalism. Ain't politics grand? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party In much the same vein as the more times the name of a country uses the words "democratic", "peoples", "free", "republic", etc. in their name, the more despotic they actually are. |
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On Nov 15, 9:18*am, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
dog.com wrote: RHF wrote: On Nov 14, 3:36 pm, wrote: On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:50:00 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: Europe has been relying on the USA to generate the wealth to keep Europe free for the last 70 years. We made their Socialism work, as we fail so shall their Socialism. You dingbat - You wouldn't know a socialist if one kicked you. A socialist is someone that wants to take my money to pay for their *****. - Like we paid for the military security of Europe and Europe decided to - give their people government health care, soon they'll be paying for - their own military and their own health care. Before the USA Pull-Outs of Iraq and Afghanistan The USA needs to Pull-Out of Europe, Japan, and South Korea. Let's Bring the All the US Troops Home and Finally Put-an-End the Post-War Occupations from WWII : * Let Europe Pay the Full Price for It's Own Defense. * Let Japan Pay the Full Price for It's Own Defense. * Let South Korea Pay the Full Price for It's Own Defense. Spend American Tax Dollars On American US Citizens Right Here In America - say 'no' to foreign aid ~ RHF |
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On Nov 15, 9:31*pm, John Galt wrote:
wrote: On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:11:14 -0600, John Galt wrote: You apparently live in a parallel universe. *May I ask where you get your news from? I travel extensively for work in Europe, talk just as extensively about these issues to my colleagues, and have relatives who live and work in Belgium, Germany, Sweden, The Netherlands, Austria, and Italy. Ah, yes Anecdotal evidence How quaint Nothing anecdotal about it, child. My own nephew is now back at work because Sweden reclassified his particular physical problem from "disability" to "able-bodied" as part of the government's pullback of covered benefits of their social welfer system. You can quite easily get a list of such things that are no longer covered if you care to do some research. Same thing for the Netherlands and Germany (at least) which have also pulled back on coverage in their systems. Simply because the fact is transmitted word-of-mouth rather than in a media outlet does not render it unfactual. There are those Real "Facts" that we personally "Know" from first-hand experience. -and- There are those 'facts' that we have read about; and accept as being 'facts'. Now, back to your trailer park. You're obviously one of those Americans who doesn't have a passport, but considers themselves an expert on world affairs. JG |
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On Nov 15, 9:31*pm, John Galt wrote:
wrote: On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:11:14 -0600, John Galt wrote: You apparently live in a parallel universe. *May I ask where you get your news from? I travel extensively for work in Europe, talk just as extensively about these issues to my colleagues, and have relatives who live and work in Belgium, Germany, Sweden, The Netherlands, Austria, and Italy. Ah, yes Anecdotal evidence How quaint Nothing anecdotal about it, child. My own nephew is now back at work because Sweden reclassified his particular physical problem from "disability" to "able-bodied" as part of the government's pullback of covered benefits of their social welfer system. You can quite easily get a list of such things that are no longer covered if you care to do some research. Same thing for the Netherlands and Germany (at least) which have also pulled back on coverage in their systems. America's Senior US Citizens have paid into the US Medicare System for Decades and still Pay into it -but- Now face $500B in Medicare Cut-Backs {reclassified as Cost-Savings} to Pay for Obama-Care -ps- US Medicare System Cut-Backs* but the US Medicare System Month Payment stays the same. * Less Services & Same Cost = Relative Higher Cost Simply because the fact is transmitted word-of-mouth rather than in a media outlet does not render it unfactual. Now, back to your trailer park. You're obviously one of those Americans who doesn't have a passport, but considers themselves an expert on world affairs. JG |
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On Nov 16, 10:13*am, John Galt wrote:
Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: John Galt wrote: Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: John Galt wrote: Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: John Galt wrote: dave wrote: Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: Freedom is Libertarian, and it may be gone for ever, Socialism has never worked and was extinct before it ever lived. What? *Don't tell the Europeans. Why not? They're not socialist. They're social democracies. HUGE difference. JG Do you think the Europeans will decide to defend themselves and pay for their Socialism? Eventually, yes. The younger generation in Europe is much more concerned about fiscal responsibility (and sustainable social welfare systems) than their parents are. Oxymoron: "sustainable Social welfare" No. You can do social welfare sustainably. That's just arithmetic. Social security and Medicare.... Doesn't mean it can't be done. Lift the payroll tax cap, raise the retirement age to 70, and - change the way the COLA is calcuated An 'honest' COLA is just that : Keeping People Even {Equal} with the Cost of Living on an Annual basis; and nothing more; and nothing less. Changing the 'calculation' by some Arbitrary Rules to Short-Change the Retirees is just that Robbing from the Retirees. {Violating the Social Contract} and you've got SS' funding mechanism fixed. Medicare is harder, and probably will have to be reformed to being a high-deductable plan OR experience a significant (400%?) increase in its payroll tax. It's just arithmetic. Whether it's wise or not is another matter entirely. Eventually all the money will be spent and it is no longer sustainable and cuts must be made.... *that's unsustainable. There is no practical way to indefinitely redistribute wealth, eventually there is no wealth to distribute, the *law-of-diminishing-returns* . Yet it must occur. Adam Smith was correct, in my view, when he noted that without redistribution, you'll eventually return to a feudal society.. Conservative economics acknowledges the need for redistributive mechanisms. JG |
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RHF wrote:
On Nov 16, 10:13 am, John Galt wrote: Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: John Galt wrote: Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: John Galt wrote: Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: John Galt wrote: dave wrote: Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: Freedom is Libertarian, and it may be gone for ever, Socialism has never worked and was extinct before it ever lived. What? Don't tell the Europeans. Why not? They're not socialist. They're social democracies. HUGE difference. JG Do you think the Europeans will decide to defend themselves and pay for their Socialism? Eventually, yes. The younger generation in Europe is much more concerned about fiscal responsibility (and sustainable social welfare systems) than their parents are. Oxymoron: "sustainable Social welfare" No. You can do social welfare sustainably. That's just arithmetic. Social security and Medicare.... Doesn't mean it can't be done. Lift the payroll tax cap, raise the retirement age to 70, and More taxes kill jobs and mean less being paid into SS as is happening now. - change the way the COLA is calcuated An 'honest' COLA is just that : Keeping People Even {Equal} with the Cost of Living on an Annual basis; and nothing more; and nothing less. Changing the 'calculation' by some Arbitrary Rules to Short-Change the Retirees is just that Robbing from the Retirees. {Violating the Social Contract} and you've got SS' funding mechanism fixed. Medicare is harder, and probably will have to be reformed to being a high-deductable plan OR experience a significant (400%?) increase in its payroll tax. It's just arithmetic. Whether it's wise or not is another matter entirely. Eventually all the money will be spent and it is no longer sustainable and cuts must be made.... that's unsustainable. There is no practical way to indefinitely redistribute wealth, eventually there is no wealth to distribute, the *law-of-diminishing-returns* . Yet it must occur. Adam Smith was correct, in my view, when he noted that without redistribution, you'll eventually return to a feudal society.. Conservative economics acknowledges the need for redistributive mechanisms. JG -- |
(OT) : Obama-Nomics Excessive "Zombie" Spending plus Massive "Zombie" Taxes are Today's Reality
On Nov 15, 7:52*am, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:52:08 -0800 (PST), RHF wrote: The Europeans do not have the Will and the Capital to Fully Defend themselves on their own. Wanna bet that THEY would be the first to lose millions in a war---(assuming the Soviets)---and that IF they all had the same nuclear technology and stockpiles of weaponry---what a massive mess it would be? WE took on the task of that role--providing the huge atomic arsenal---to counter the Soviet threat. * So any convential war would first put those whom you disparage at greater risk than us. Once the USA is Bankrupt in the next Decade and can no longer support it's Military and resigns as a Global Peacekeeper: The Europeans will be at the 'mercy' of Russia, China, India and OPEC. It's been known for decades and decades that the natural resources of the Soviet Union are comparable to ours---just that much of it lies under the tundra (iron, minerals, etc) - If you're so ****ing concerned with global - threats---why in hell would you sound like you - supported the corruption of reaganism, his voodoo - ecnomics and the dim-witted idiot that put it back in - place? Reagan is Dead and Name Calling is a tired old Liberal-Fascist technique : No Facts. Obama-Nomics and Excessive "Zombie" Spending and Massive "Zombie" Taxes are Today's Reality http://doosmdayclockradio.files.word...ama-zombie.jpg Obama-Nomics is socialism, Socialism. SOCIALISM ! http://www.classicalvalues.com/Obama-socialism_0.jpg |
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On Nov 15, 3:51*pm, "I M @ good guy" wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:01:33 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: dave wrote: Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: Do you think the Europeans will decide to defend themselves and pay for their Socialism? How will that work? * They barely have any economy as it is... *Add in the 20% it will cost to keep a real army and they will be pushing 95% taxes for the average worker. *It will also drop their GDP to a -19..5% GDP. https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/ee.html GDP 0.9% (2008 est.) country comparison to the world: 181 3% (2007 est.) 3.4% (2006 est.) Expect as they use their GDP for military that it will fall and it is generally within the margin of error so it will be flat to negative GDP. - Gee, which part only has 7,000 income per capita? You don't need 'Income' if the Government Give you everything for Free. |
(OT) :Combating rightarded lies.
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:11:29 -0800, RHF wrote:
On Nov 16, 5:42*pm, Michael Coburn wrote: On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:55:54 -0800, RHF wrote: On Nov 15, 9:31*pm, John Galt wrote: wrote: On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:11:14 -0600, John Galt wrote: You apparently live in a parallel universe. *May I ask where you get your news from? I travel extensively for work in Europe, talk just as extensively about these issues to my colleagues, and have relatives who live and work in Belgium, Germany, Sweden, The Netherlands, Austria, and Italy. Ah, yes Anecdotal evidence How quaint Nothing anecdotal about it, child. My own nephew is now back at work because Sweden reclassified his particular physical problem from "disability" to "able-bodied" as part of the government's pullback of covered benefits of their social welfer system. You can quite easily get a list of such things that are no longer covered if you care to do some research. Same thing for the Netherlands and Germany (at least) which have also pulled back on coverage in their systems. - - America's Senior US Citizens have Paid into the - - US Medicare System for Decades and still Pay - - into it -but- Now face $500B in Medicare Cut-Backs - - {reclassified as Cost-Savings} to Pay for Obama-Care© Medicare Cut-Backs = $500B Yup. = Medicare Cost-Savings -via- Denial of Benefits LIE -via- Denial of Services LIE -via- Denial of Claims LIE HERE'S the deal. Medicare represents 40 million customers. The Customers will be telling the providers what they will pay for the services. And they will pay $500B less over the next ten years than what was being forecast. The Providers will take the lower reimbursements and lump it. That is the _ONLY way that the rising costs of health care can be controlled. There is no free lunch and market power wins. Granny still gets the services. The tax payers simply pay less. -- "Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson |
(OT) :Combating rightarded lies.
On 11/16/09 23:45 , Michael Coburn wrote:
The tax payers simply pay less. The ultimate fiction. |
(OT) : Speaking Truth To The Obama-Care Lies -wrt- $500B of Medicare Savings
On Nov 16, 9:45*pm, Michael Coburn wrote:
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:11:29 -0800, RHF wrote: On Nov 16, 5:42*pm, Michael Coburn wrote: On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:55:54 -0800, RHF wrote: On Nov 15, 9:31*pm, John Galt wrote: wrote: On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:11:14 -0600, John Galt wrote: You apparently live in a parallel universe. *May I ask where you get your news from? I travel extensively for work in Europe, talk just as extensively about these issues to my colleagues, and have relatives who live and work in Belgium, Germany, Sweden, The Netherlands, Austria, and Italy. Ah, yes Anecdotal evidence How quaint Nothing anecdotal about it, child. My own nephew is now back at work because Sweden reclassified his particular physical problem from "disability" to "able-bodied" as part of the government's pullback of covered benefits of their social welfer system. You can quite easily get a list of such things that are no longer covered if you care to do some research. Same thing for the Netherlands and Germany (at least) which have also pulled back on coverage in their systems. - - America's Senior US Citizens have Paid into the - - US Medicare System for Decades and still Pay - - into it -but- Now face $500B in Medicare Cut-Backs - - {reclassified as Cost-Savings} to Pay for Obama-Care Medicare Cut-Backs = $500B Yup. = Medicare Cost-Savings -via- Denial of Benefits LIE -via- Denial of Services LIE -via- Denial of Claims LIE - HERE'S the deal. Spoken like a good little Obama-Bot Prez Obama -says- Here's The Deal . . . -and- the Obama-Bot all repeat here's the deal, Here's The Deal. HERE'S THE DEAL ! here's the deal, Here's The Deal. HERE'S THE DEAL ! here's the deal, Here's The Deal. HERE'S THE DEAL ! -*Medicare represents 40 million customers. *The NO - Medicare Represents 40 Million "Patients" : Who are American US Senior Citizens that are Forced in to the Medicare System by Law which 'makes' them CLIENTS of Medicare -not- Customers. Customers get to pick-and-choose -while- Clients are Dictated-To by Medicare by Law. - The Customers will be telling the providers what - they will pay for the services. NO - Medicare will Short Change the Doctors -aka- The Providers and those Providers will STOP 'providing' those Services. -aka- Medicare Care - And they will pay $500B less over the next ten - years than what was being forecast. That is the 'claim'. -*The Providers will take the lower reimbursements - and lump it. Some Providers may . . . While many/most Providers may STOP 'providing' those Services. -aka- Medicare Care and Tell the US Government {Medicare} to LUMP IT ! -*That is the _ONLY way that the rising costs - of health care can be controlled. "THE ONLY WAY" rotfl oaoa There are 'other' Ways including Tort Reform and Elimination Out-of-State Restrictions on Medical Insurance. -*There is no free lunch and market power wins. Yes - "There is no free lunch" -and- NOT PAYING THE BILL SHUTS DOWN THE MARKET. - Granny still gets the services. NO Granny gets stuck with $500B of Medicare Cuts. REALITY CHECK ON THE FACTS : Medicare {The US Government} is the Doctor's actual "The Customer" {Payer}; not the Senior Citizen 'Patient'. When "The Customer" {Payer} Does Not Pay : Then the Doctor will stop seeing those 'Patients'. -result- Denial {Cut-Back} of Services to the 'Patient'. Now the Money that the "The Customer" is Called a Savings and can be Spent on Obama-Care. - The tax payers simply pay less. NO - The US Government Ends Up Spending the same amount of Money -but- Redirects $500B of Medicare Spending from Medicare {Cut-Backs} to $500B of new Obama-Care Spending. -note- Prez Obama claims that this is Revenue "Neutral" {Balanced-Out} and Cost 'us' nothing. ! D'Oh Hello Prez Obama $500B of Spending IS $500B OF SPENDING ! -and- $500B of Non-Spending for Medicare is a CUT-BACK in Patient Spending CUT-BACK in Patient Services CUT-BACK in Patient Care SHORT CHANGING AMERICA's SENIOR US CITIZENS WAY TO GO PREZ OBAMA ! ~ RHF -fyi- Talk to an American Born US Doctor : Who has been in the Business of a Private Medical Practice for 10 Years or More in the USA : * They will tell you about the reality of Medicare Payments for Patient's Services/Care. * They will tell you about Limiting the Number of Medicare Patients because of Lack of Adequate Reimbursement from Medicare. * They will tell you about how Medicare has Limited the type of Patient Care that they can provide as a result of so called Medicare Cost 'Containment' {Cuts in Fees for Service} - -- - "Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson REALITY CHECK ON THE $500B SAVINGS : The Unintended Consequences of $500B of Medicare Cost Saving {What very well might happen} : American Senior US Citizens -aka- Medicare 'Patients' can not see their Doctors for routine Office Visits due to $500B in Medicare Cuts : The 'Patients' eventually go to the Hospital for Emergency Treatment {cause they could not see their Doctor due to the Cuts} and end up Costing Medicare more, & More. & MORE MONEY ! The $500B of Doctors Cost Savings becomes $500B or more of new more expensive Hospital and Emergency Hospital Medicare Spending - oops, Oops. OOPS ! |
(OT) : Speaking Truth About Reducing Medical Costs
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:47:38 -0800, RHF wrote:
On Nov 16, 9:45*pm, Michael Coburn wrote: On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:11:29 -0800, RHF wrote: On Nov 16, 5:42*pm, Michael Coburn wrote: On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:55:54 -0800, RHF wrote: On Nov 15, 9:31*pm, John Galt wrote: wrote: On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:11:14 -0600, John Galt wrote: You apparently live in a parallel universe. *May I ask where you get your news from? I travel extensively for work in Europe, talk just as extensively about these issues to my colleagues, and have relatives who live and work in Belgium, Germany, Sweden, The Netherlands, Austria, and Italy. Ah, yes Anecdotal evidence How quaint Nothing anecdotal about it, child. My own nephew is now back at work because Sweden reclassified his particular physical problem from "disability" to "able-bodied" as part of the government's pullback of covered benefits of their social welfer system. You can quite easily get a list of such things that are no longer covered if you care to do some research. Same thing for the Netherlands and Germany (at least) which have also pulled back on coverage in their systems. - - America's Senior US Citizens have Paid into the - - US Medicare System for Decades and still Pay - - into it -but- Now face $500B in Medicare Cut-Backs - - {reclassified as Cost-Savings} to Pay for Obama-Care© Medicare Cut-Backs = $500B Yup. = Medicare Cost-Savings -via- Denial of Benefits LIE -via- Denial of Services LIE -via- Denial of Claims LIE - HERE'S the deal. Spoken like a good little Obama-Bot© Prez Obama -says- Here's The Deal . . . -and- the Obama-Bot© all repeat here's the deal, Here's The Deal. HERE'S THE DEAL ! here's the deal, Here's The Deal. HERE'S THE DEAL ! here's the deal, Here's The Deal. HERE'S THE DEAL ! -*Medicare represents 40 million customers. *The NO - Medicare Represents 40 Million "Patients" : Who are American US Senior Citizens that are Forced in to the Medicare System by Law which 'makes' them CLIENTS of Medicare -not- Customers. Customers get to pick-and-choose -while- Clients are Dictated-To by Medicare by Law. You are a lying pig. But it is what you do best. Customers for medical care are very limmited as to the ability to "pick-and-choose", liar. They are far better served by the market power of solidarity. - The Customers will be telling the providers what - they will pay for the services. NO - Medicare will Short Change the Doctors -aka- The Providers and those Providers will STOP 'providing' those Services. -aka- Medicare Care Nice lie... You do so well at it. - And they will pay $500B less over the next ten - years than what was being forecast. That is the 'claim'. -*The Providers will take the lower reimbursements - and lump it. Some Providers may . . . While many/most Providers may STOP 'providing' those Services. -aka- Medicare Care and Tell the US Government {Medicare} to LUMP IT ! And where will they get their INCOME, moronic lying pig? You think their will be a supply NEW customers that will allow the providers to just shift from these customers to this new imported group? You are not only a lair. You are also a moron. The number of rich people seeking medical services is quite limited. -*That is the _ONLY way that the rising costs - of health care can be controlled. "THE ONLY WAY" rotfl oaoa There are 'other' Ways including Tort Reform and Elimination Out-of-State Restrictions on Medical Insurance. Two *&@%$^& total "nits". -*There is no free lunch and market power wins. Yes - "There is no free lunch" -and- NOT PAYING THE BILL SHUTS DOWN THE MARKET. Stupidity repeated just gets more and more stupid with each repetition. - Granny still gets the services. NO Granny gets stuck with $500B of Medicare Cuts. REALITY CHECK ON THE FACTS : Medicare {The US Government} is the Doctor's actual "The Customer" {Payer}; not the Senior Citizen 'Patient'. Yes. Government is like a UNION monopsony using solidarity to control rates. That is the reality and it why there will be no cut in services. When "The Customer" {Payer} Does Not Pay : Then the Doctor will stop seeing those 'Patients'. -result- Denial {Cut-Back} of Services to the 'Patient'. What will the provider do if the provider does not have patients? Will he retire and go fishing? We have this system called H1B which allows us to import medical professionals from other countries. And according to all the data I have been able to find, these foreign professionals are very much underpaid in their current countries. It is really interesting how the freepers LOVE free trade and monopoly power until it bites them in the ass. Now the Money that the "The Customer" is Called a Savings and can be Spent on Obama-Care©. Irrelevant, actually. We are spending too much on these services. Try comparing the costs of health care in this country with all the other civilized nations. You sick puppies live in a little stupidity bubble. - The tax payers simply pay less. NO - The US Government Ends Up Spending the same amount of Money -but- Redirects $500B of Medicare Spending from Medicare {Cut-Backs} to $500B of new Obama-Care© Spending. So what's your point??? We will have increased access to health care and a lower price of health care. -note- Prez Obama claims that this is Revenue "Neutral" {Balanced-Out} and Cost 'us' nothing. ! D'Oh Hello Prez Obama $500B of Spending IS $500B OF SPENDING ! Obama is correct and you are a lying pig. -and- $500B of Non-Spending for Medicare is a CUT-BACK in Patient Spending Yep. CUT-BACK in Patient Services LIE CUT-BACK in Patient Care LIE SHORT CHANGING AMERICA's SENIOR US CITIZENS LIE WAY TO GO PREZ OBAMA ! ~ RHF -fyi- Talk to an American Born US Doctor : Who has been in the Business of a Private Medical Practice for 10 Years or More in the USA : * They will tell you about the reality of Medicare Payments for Patient's Services/Care. * They will tell you about Limiting the Number of Medicare Patients because of Lack of Adequate Reimbursement from Medicare. 1. They will see LESS patients and have lower incomes in that case, because there is not going to be a change in the number of sick people 2. They can be replaced and will be replaced by competent providers from other countries. * They will tell you about how Medicare has Limited the type of Patient Care that they can provide as a result of so called Medicare Cost 'Containment' {Cuts in Fees for Service} They will protect their livelihood like anyone else. They will distort the reality in order to protect their incomes like any other group of human beings. - -- - "Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson REALITY CHECK ON THE $500B SAVINGS : The Unintended Consequences of $500B of Medicare Cost Saving {What very well might happen} : American Senior US Citizens -aka- Medicare 'Patients' can not see their Doctors for routine Office Visits due to $500B in Medicare Cuts : The 'Patients' eventually go to the Hospital for Emergency Treatment {cause they could not see their Doctor due to the Cuts} and end up Costing Medicare more, & More. & MORE MONEY ! The $500B of Doctors Cost Savings becomes $500B or more of new more expensive Hospital and Emergency Hospital Medicare Spending - oops, Oops. OOPS ! . Boogerman, Boogerman, Boogerman. -- "Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson |
(OT) : Speaking Truth About Reducing Medical Costs -versus-Liberal-Fascist Name Calling
On Nov 17, 11:21*am, Michael Coburn wrote:
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:47:38 -0800, RHF wrote: On Nov 16, 9:45*pm, Michael Coburn wrote: On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:11:29 -0800, RHF wrote: On Nov 16, 5:42*pm, Michael Coburn wrote: On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:55:54 -0800, RHF wrote: On Nov 15, 9:31*pm, John Galt wrote: wrote: On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:11:14 -0600, John Galt wrote: You apparently live in a parallel universe. *May I ask where you get your news from? I travel extensively for work in Europe, talk just as extensively about these issues to my colleagues, and have relatives who live and work in Belgium, Germany, Sweden, The Netherlands, Austria, and Italy. Ah, yes Anecdotal evidence How quaint Nothing anecdotal about it, child. My own nephew is now back at work because Sweden reclassified his particular physical problem from "disability" to "able-bodied" as part of the government's pullback of covered benefits of their social welfer system. You can quite easily get a list of such things that are no longer covered if you care to do some research. Same thing for the Netherlands and Germany (at least) which have also pulled back on coverage in their systems. - - America's Senior US Citizens have Paid into the - - US Medicare System for Decades and still Pay - - into it -but- Now face $500B in Medicare Cut-Backs - - {reclassified as Cost-Savings} to Pay for Obama-Care Medicare Cut-Backs = $500B Yup. = Medicare Cost-Savings -via- Denial of Benefits LIE -via- Denial of Services LIE -via- Denial of Claims LIE - HERE'S the deal. Spoken like a good little Obama-Bot Prez Obama -says- Here's The Deal . . . -and- the Obama-Bot all repeat here's the deal, Here's The Deal. HERE'S THE DEAL ! here's the deal, Here's The Deal. HERE'S THE DEAL ! here's the deal, Here's The Deal. HERE'S THE DEAL ! -*Medicare represents 40 million customers. *The NO - Medicare Represents 40 Million "Patients" : Who are American US Senior Citizens that are Forced in to the Medicare System by Law which 'makes' them CLIENTS of Medicare -not- Customers. Customers get to pick-and-choose -while- Clients are Dictated-To by Medicare by Law. - Michael Coburn -wrote- - You are a lying pig. Michael Coburn 'lying pig' that is Liberal-Fascist Name Calling and NOT FACTS based in reality. |
(OT) : Speaking Truth About Reducing Medical Costs -versus-L...
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:39:52 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
wrote: On Nov 15, 8:14 pm, RHF wrote: - You wouldn't know a socialist if one kicked you. Typical US definition: "I don't like it, it must be SOCIALIST!!" Does that tell you anything? Socialists are the root of damn near all our problems Since we were not invaded by the Iraqis then the Bush invasion was the right thing to do.... Republicans are dumber then the plumber. -- "Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson |
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Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
Does that tell you anything? Socialists are the root of damn near all our problems Sharing and caring is the root of all evil? |
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Michael Coburn wrote:
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:39:52 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: wrote: On Nov 15, 8:14 pm, RHF wrote: - You wouldn't know a socialist if one kicked you. Typical US definition: "I don't like it, it must be SOCIALIST!!" Does that tell you anything? Socialists are the root of damn near all our problems Since we were not invaded by the Iraqis then the Bush invasion was the right thing to do.... Republicans are dumber then the plumber. Who was shooting at who in the middle east and who had signed a surrender to whom? -- |
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dave wrote:
Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: Does that tell you anything? Socialists are the root of damn near all our problems Sharing and caring is the root of all evil? Stealing from others is. You can't "share" what you don't own. Maybe I think you can share your tooth brush and so I'll just take it use it to clean the toilet and put it back.... we just shared it, no harm done, right? Besides you don't really own it... -- |
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Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
Maybe I think you can share your tooth brush and so I'll just take it use it to clean the toilet and put it back.... we just shared it, no harm done, right? Besides you don't really own it... Are you serious? |
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Missouri Billboard Calls for 'Revolution and War' Against the govt.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=278718 Hell Yes! Damn Right! Lets DO IT! cuhulin |
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dave wrote:
Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: Maybe I think you can share your tooth brush and so I'll just take it use it to clean the toilet and put it back.... we just shared it, no harm done, right? Besides you don't really own it... Are you serious? Do you seriously think you can get government to take peoples money because you want? -- |
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Billboard Stirs Controversy.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=278730 Every City and every Town and every Village and every Hamlet in America and all over the World needs Billboards like that. ooo ooo ooo, doggy and I have to watch Mrs.Bucket on teevee now. cuhulin |
(OT) : Dave -proclaims- The Root of All Evil
On Nov 21, 11:49*am, dave wrote:
Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: Does that tell you anything? * Socialists are the root of damn near all our problems - Sharing and caring is the root of all evil? Dave 'sharing' your STDs with minors is Evil * Be good enough to "Care" and say 'no' to unprotected sex. Dave 'sharing' your Poison {Drugs} with minors is Evil * Be good enough to "Care" and just say 'no' to illegal drugs. Dave it all begins and ends with 'you' ~ RHF -ps- please learn to say 'no' |
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