On Nov 15, 2:46*am, John Galt wrote:
dave wrote:
John Galt wrote:
dave wrote:
Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

Freedom is Libertarian, and it may be gone for ever, Socialism has
never
worked and was extinct before it ever lived.

What? *Don't tell the Europeans.

Why not? They're not socialist. They're social democracies.

HUGE difference.

JG

"...modern social democracy has deviated from socialism, and supports
the idea of a mixed economy which incorporates elements of both
socialism and capitalism.[2] Social democrats aim to reform capitalism
democratically through state regulation and the creation of programs
that work to counteract or remove the social injustice and
inefficiencies they see as inherent in capitalism. A product of this
effort has been the modern democratic welfare state. This approach
significantly differs from traditional socialism, which aims to replace
the capitalist system entirely with a new economic system characterized
by either state or direct worker ownership of the means of production.

In many countries, social democrats continue to exist alongside
democratic socialists, who stand to the left of them on the political
spectrum. The two movements sometimes operate within the same political
party, such as the Brazilian Workers' Party[3] and the French Socialist
Party. In recent years, several social democratic parties (in
particular, the British Labour Party) have embraced more centrist, Third
Way policy positions. This development has generated considerable
controversy..."

- Correct. However, the core difference is that social democrats
recognize
- that government ownership of the means of production is, at its
core,
- counterproductive to a prosperous society. (Even though they may
very
- well own certain productive processes deemed essential to society,
they
- do so not because they think they can improve their efficiency, but
- because they feel it necessary to prioritize the process differenly
than
- the free market would allot.)
-
- Socialists refuse to recognize this.
-
- JG

Sort of like a Government Enterprise being Taxed
by the very same Government.

Imagine -if- the IRS had to Pay a Corporate Income
Tax on the Income Taxes that it Collected from
the Tax Payers.

Tax Payers = Share Holders in the Government.

Then imagine the IRS Paying a Dividend to the
American Tax Payers for the Taxes that they
had Paid from the Taxes that the IRS had Paid
on those very same Taxes.

Hey Socialism can Create Money Through
Taxes-On-Taxes with no external inputs.

what goes around comes around ~ RHF