On 12/15/09 17:35 , Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob wrote in message
news:4b2a08da.2108125@chupacabra...
If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will still linger
because the stations that already have it won't have any incentive to
ditch the
gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond scrap metal
value
in the used market.
Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other room it'll
probably
be an HD station.
...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my satisfaction
with
the improvements that technology brings.
So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the ones that
respond)
say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on usenet which is
known
as a forum for whiners?


Neither. They'll look at the dismal sales curve for the receivers and the
near zero Arbitron ratings for their IBOC streams and eventually conclude
that it isn't worth the extra electricity to keep the IBOC running.




There's still the matter of investment. With well into 6 figures
for a single station, manglement, investors, and corporate interests
will not simply let it die and go away. Like AM stereo, which
actually worked, it took nearly 20 years to go away.

In the case of IBOC, there's the huge pressures iBiquity is
bringing to stations which have begun to back away from HD radio.

There are contractual issues.

"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
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On 12/15/09 17:35 , Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob wrote in message
news:4b2a08da.2108125@chupacabra...
If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will still
linger
because the stations that already have it won't have any incentive to
ditch the
gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond scrap metal
value
in the used market.
Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other room it'll
probably
be an HD station.
...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my satisfaction
with
the improvements that technology brings.
So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the ones that
respond)
say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on usenet which is
known
as a forum for whiners?


Neither. They'll look at the dismal sales curve for the receivers and
the
near zero Arbitron ratings for their IBOC streams and eventually conclude
that it isn't worth the extra electricity to keep the IBOC running.




There's still the matter of investment. With well into 6 figures for a
single station, manglement, investors, and corporate interests will not
simply let it die and go away. Like AM stereo, which actually worked, it
took nearly 20 years to go away.

But, UNlike AM stereo, which had a "marketplace based" approach and
competing standards all on the air at once....HD Radio standard has been
chosen. There is no battle among the formats on the air. Listeners can
enjoy it from the get go.

With AM Stereo, one had to decide which system to buy...and then could only
listen to certain stations.

HD learned from that fiasco...and is avoinding the pitfalls.

On 12/16/09 13:48 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/15/09 17:35 , Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob wrote in message
news:4b2a08da.2108125@chupacabra...
If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will still
linger
because the stations that already have it won't have any incentive to
ditch the
gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond scrap metal
value
in the used market.
Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other room it'll
probably
be an HD station.
...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my satisfaction
with
the improvements that technology brings.
So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the ones that
respond)
say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on usenet which is
known
as a forum for whiners?


Neither. They'll look at the dismal sales curve for the receivers and
the
near zero Arbitron ratings for their IBOC streams and eventually conclude
that it isn't worth the extra electricity to keep the IBOC running.




There's still the matter of investment. With well into 6 figures for a
single station, manglement, investors, and corporate interests will not
simply let it die and go away. Like AM stereo, which actually worked, it
took nearly 20 years to go away.

But, UNlike AM stereo, which had a "marketplace based" approach and
competing standards all on the air at once....HD Radio standard has been
chosen. There is no battle among the formats on the air. Listeners can
enjoy it from the get go.

With AM Stereo, one had to decide which system to buy...and then could only
listen to certain stations.

HD learned from that fiasco...and is avoinding the pitfalls.

Which pitfalls aren't even on the radar, here. The uptake is
slow, the technology is flawed, and the implementation is poor. But
the investment has been spectacular.

The point being made that even a system like AM stereo which was
a simple and far less costly implementation took 20 years to go awaty.

IBOC, UNlike AM Stereo, with its enormous capital investment per
station, contractual obligations, and corporate support, will not
simply be allowed to die quickly. There's just too much money involved.

It will be around for quite a while.

On Dec 15, 5:21�pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
NX211 wrote:
On Dec 13, 7:53 pm, "Commander Col. Klink"
wrote:
http://reviews.cnet.com/2300-33_7-10...s=0&o=10001201

HD radio was supposed to be the next great thing in "free" radio,
offering clear, digital "CD quality sound" and more listening choices.

Looks like the buying public voted with their wallets..

HD radio you're the biggest loser.. goody by!

HD radio IS a big loser. �The problem is it's still here and will
probably linger for years to come.

If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will still linger
because the stations that already have it won't have any incentive to ditch the
gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond scrap metal value
in the used market.
Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other room it'll probably
be an HD station.
...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my satisfaction with
the improvements that technology brings.
So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the ones that respond)
say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on usenet which is known
as a forum for whiners?

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

But, HD Radio at least doubles their power bills, requires on-going
troubleshooting, and there are on-going fees to iBiquity. i would
think stations, as radio groups declare bankruptcy, will eventually
pull the plug.

I bought a nice Sony radio for two dollars at the Goodwill store
today,,, and also a leather belt for two dollars, belt is just like
brand new.

www.devilfinder.com
Sony TV Weather AM FM ICF-34 Radio

I am trying the radio out right now, it does Good at night time AM
DXing.Much, Much Better than Anything hd has.
cuhulin

But, HD Radio at least doubles their power bills,

No it doesn't.

requires on-going troubleshooting,

We have been running it trouble free for the last few years. Haven't had to
make a change or adjustment since the sign on.

and there are on-going fees to iBiquity.

Just like there are to ASCAP, BMI, Microsoft, etc., etc.

It's part of the cost of running a business.

i would think stations, as radio groups declare bankruptcy, will
eventually pull the plug.

You would be wrong. ;-)

About two something months ago, I saw an hd radio for sale at the
Walmart store.Next time I go over there, if I think about it (I probally
won't think about it) I might see if it is still sitting on the shelf.I
don't want an hd radio anyway.
cuhulin

www.devilfinder.com
Norway UFO Hyperdimensional Portal

Sheeeeeeeeit,,, How far is Hessdalen,Norway from Bognor Regis,England?
I am too Lazy to map it.
cuhulin

On Dec 16, 7:18*pm, HD Radio Farce wrote:

But, HD Radio at least doubles their power bills, requires on-going
troubleshooting, and there are on-going fees to iBiquity. i would
think stations, as radio groups declare bankruptcy, will eventually
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In most cases, HD does not even increase the power bill of a
transmitter plant by 10%... often much less. And the licence fee,
which is market based, is minimal. Many stations have leased HD3
channels for specialized programming, and are making money on that.

Only one significant group is approaching bankruptcy, and it is
unlikely that their FM HDs will be turned off.

You will never convince Real People that hd radio is any good.
cuhulin