"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 12/15/09 17:35 , Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob wrote in message
news:4b2a08da.2108125@chupacabra...
If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will still
linger
because the stations that already have it won't have any incentive to
ditch the
gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond scrap metal
value
in the used market.
Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other room it'll
probably
be an HD station.
...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my satisfaction
with
the improvements that technology brings.
So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the ones that
respond)
say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on usenet which is
known
as a forum for whiners?


Neither. They'll look at the dismal sales curve for the receivers and
the
near zero Arbitron ratings for their IBOC streams and eventually conclude
that it isn't worth the extra electricity to keep the IBOC running.




There's still the matter of investment. With well into 6 figures for a
single station, manglement, investors, and corporate interests will not
simply let it die and go away. Like AM stereo, which actually worked, it
took nearly 20 years to go away.

But, UNlike AM stereo, which had a "marketplace based" approach and
competing standards all on the air at once....HD Radio standard has been
chosen. There is no battle among the formats on the air. Listeners can
enjoy it from the get go.

With AM Stereo, one had to decide which system to buy...and then could only
listen to certain stations.

HD learned from that fiasco...and is avoinding the pitfalls.

On 12/16/09 13:48 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/15/09 17:35 , Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob wrote in message
news:4b2a08da.2108125@chupacabra...
If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will still
linger
because the stations that already have it won't have any incentive to
ditch the
gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond scrap metal
value
in the used market.
Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other room it'll
probably
be an HD station.
...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my satisfaction
with
the improvements that technology brings.
So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the ones that
respond)
say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on usenet which is
known
as a forum for whiners?


Neither. They'll look at the dismal sales curve for the receivers and
the
near zero Arbitron ratings for their IBOC streams and eventually conclude
that it isn't worth the extra electricity to keep the IBOC running.




There's still the matter of investment. With well into 6 figures for a
single station, manglement, investors, and corporate interests will not
simply let it die and go away. Like AM stereo, which actually worked, it
took nearly 20 years to go away.

But, UNlike AM stereo, which had a "marketplace based" approach and
competing standards all on the air at once....HD Radio standard has been
chosen. There is no battle among the formats on the air. Listeners can
enjoy it from the get go.

With AM Stereo, one had to decide which system to buy...and then could only
listen to certain stations.

HD learned from that fiasco...and is avoinding the pitfalls.

Which pitfalls aren't even on the radar, here. The uptake is
slow, the technology is flawed, and the implementation is poor. But
the investment has been spectacular.

The point being made that even a system like AM stereo which was
a simple and far less costly implementation took 20 years to go awaty.

IBOC, UNlike AM Stereo, with its enormous capital investment per
station, contractual obligations, and corporate support, will not
simply be allowed to die quickly. There's just too much money involved.

It will be around for quite a while.

"Toxic" wrote in message
news
Does it really require a significant amount of extra electricity to run
the HD encoders and modulators, or is it like turning off the illuminated
station callsign on the front of the building to save a couple pennies?
If dwindling listenership in broadcast media is any predictor, then it
may all be moot as more stations do major cost cutting and go dark.

From what I have been able to discern, the IBOC sidebands are actually
generated by a separate transmitter, then combined with the AM signal (much
as the AM video and FM audio were on analog television). Digital
transmission is fairly energy intensive.

"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 13:48 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/15/09 17:35 , Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob wrote in message
news:4b2a08da.2108125@chupacabra...
If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will still
linger
because the stations that already have it won't have any incentive to
ditch the
gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond scrap
metal
value
in the used market.
Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other room it'll
probably
be an HD station.
...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my
satisfaction
with
the improvements that technology brings.
So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the ones that
respond)
say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on usenet which
is
known
as a forum for whiners?


Neither. They'll look at the dismal sales curve for the receivers and
the
near zero Arbitron ratings for their IBOC streams and eventually
conclude
that it isn't worth the extra electricity to keep the IBOC running.




There's still the matter of investment. With well into 6 figures for
a
single station, manglement, investors, and corporate interests will not
simply let it die and go away. Like AM stereo, which actually worked, it
took nearly 20 years to go away.

But, UNlike AM stereo, which had a "marketplace based" approach and
competing standards all on the air at once....HD Radio standard has been
chosen. There is no battle among the formats on the air. Listeners can
enjoy it from the get go.

With AM Stereo, one had to decide which system to buy...and then could
only
listen to certain stations.

HD learned from that fiasco...and is avoinding the pitfalls.

The uptake is slow...

So? It's not in a race? Apathy is everywhere in radio, satelite, SW, AM,
FM, HD. Consumers aren't rushing to do anything with radio.

the technology is flawed

Debatable.

and the implementation is poor.

Implementation is pretty good! Consumers in most places can pick up an HD
radio and start enjoying it immediately. (Unlike the AM Stereo "marketplace
solution".)

But the investment has been spectacular.

In the scheme of things, not really.

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"Toxic" wrote in message
news
Does it really require a significant amount of extra electricity to run
the HD encoders and modulators, or is it like turning off the illuminated
station callsign on the front of the building to save a couple pennies?
If dwindling listenership in broadcast media is any predictor, then it
may all be moot as more stations do major cost cutting and go dark.

From what I have been able to discern, the IBOC sidebands are actually
generated by a separate transmitter, then combined with the AM signal
(much as the AM video and FM audio were on analog television). Digital
transmission is fairly energy intensive.

In the scheme of things...not really.

On 12/16/09 14:26 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 13:48 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/15/09 17:35 , Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob wrote in message
news:4b2a08da.2108125@chupacabra...
If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will still
linger
because the stations that already have it won't have any incentive to
ditch the
gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond scrap
metal
value
in the used market.
Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other room it'll
probably
be an HD station.
...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my
satisfaction
with
the improvements that technology brings.
So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the ones that
respond)
say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on usenet which
is
known
as a forum for whiners?


Neither. They'll look at the dismal sales curve for the receivers and
the
near zero Arbitron ratings for their IBOC streams and eventually
conclude
that it isn't worth the extra electricity to keep the IBOC running.




There's still the matter of investment. With well into 6 figures for
a
single station, manglement, investors, and corporate interests will not
simply let it die and go away. Like AM stereo, which actually worked, it
took nearly 20 years to go away.

But, UNlike AM stereo, which had a "marketplace based" approach and
competing standards all on the air at once....HD Radio standard has been
chosen. There is no battle among the formats on the air. Listeners can
enjoy it from the get go.

With AM Stereo, one had to decide which system to buy...and then could
only
listen to certain stations.

HD learned from that fiasco...and is avoinding the pitfalls.

The uptake is slow...

So? It's not in a race? Apathy is everywhere in radio, satelite, SW, AM,
FM, HD. Consumers aren't rushing to do anything with radio.

the technology is flawed

Debatable.

and the implementation is poor.

Implementation is pretty good! Consumers in most places can pick up an HD
radio and start enjoying it immediately. (Unlike the AM Stereo "marketplace
solution".)

But the investment has been spectacular.

In the scheme of things, not really.



As Mrs Iacocca said: Nice Dodge.

"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 14:26 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 13:48 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/15/09 17:35 , Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob wrote in message
news:4b2a08da.2108125@chupacabra...
If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will still
linger
because the stations that already have it won't have any incentive
to
ditch the
gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond scrap
metal
value
in the used market.
Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other room
it'll
probably
be an HD station.
...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my
satisfaction
with
the improvements that technology brings.
So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the ones
that
respond)
say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on usenet
which
is
known
as a forum for whiners?


Neither. They'll look at the dismal sales curve for the receivers
and
the
near zero Arbitron ratings for their IBOC streams and eventually
conclude
that it isn't worth the extra electricity to keep the IBOC running.




There's still the matter of investment. With well into 6 figures
for
a
single station, manglement, investors, and corporate interests will
not
simply let it die and go away. Like AM stereo, which actually worked,
it
took nearly 20 years to go away.

But, UNlike AM stereo, which had a "marketplace based" approach and
competing standards all on the air at once....HD Radio standard has
been
chosen. There is no battle among the formats on the air. Listeners
can
enjoy it from the get go.

With AM Stereo, one had to decide which system to buy...and then could
only
listen to certain stations.

HD learned from that fiasco...and is avoinding the pitfalls.

The uptake is slow...

So? It's not in a race? Apathy is everywhere in radio, satelite, SW,
AM,
FM, HD. Consumers aren't rushing to do anything with radio.

the technology is flawed

Debatable.

and the implementation is poor.

Implementation is pretty good! Consumers in most places can pick up an
HD
radio and start enjoying it immediately. (Unlike the AM Stereo
"marketplace
solution".)

But the investment has been spectacular.

In the scheme of things, not really.



As Mrs Iacocca said: Nice Dodge.


Not a dodge, it was an answer to your points.

On 12/16/09 14:38 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 14:26 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 13:48 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/15/09 17:35 , Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob wrote in message
news:4b2a08da.2108125@chupacabra...
If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will still
linger
because the stations that already have it won't have any incentive
to
ditch the
gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond scrap
metal
value
in the used market.
Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other room
it'll
probably
be an HD station.
...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my
satisfaction
with
the improvements that technology brings.
So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the ones
that
respond)
say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on usenet
which
is
known
as a forum for whiners?


Neither. They'll look at the dismal sales curve for the receivers
and
the
near zero Arbitron ratings for their IBOC streams and eventually
conclude
that it isn't worth the extra electricity to keep the IBOC running.




There's still the matter of investment. With well into 6 figures
for
a
single station, manglement, investors, and corporate interests will
not
simply let it die and go away. Like AM stereo, which actually worked,
it
took nearly 20 years to go away.

But, UNlike AM stereo, which had a "marketplace based" approach and
competing standards all on the air at once....HD Radio standard has
been
chosen. There is no battle among the formats on the air. Listeners
can
enjoy it from the get go.

With AM Stereo, one had to decide which system to buy...and then could
only
listen to certain stations.

HD learned from that fiasco...and is avoinding the pitfalls.

The uptake is slow...

So? It's not in a race? Apathy is everywhere in radio, satelite, SW,
AM,
FM, HD. Consumers aren't rushing to do anything with radio.

the technology is flawed

Debatable.

and the implementation is poor.

Implementation is pretty good! Consumers in most places can pick up an
HD
radio and start enjoying it immediately. (Unlike the AM Stereo
"marketplace
solution".)

But the investment has been spectacular.

In the scheme of things, not really.



As Mrs Iacocca said: Nice Dodge.


Not a dodge, it was an answer to your points.




No, it wasn't. You answered nothing. You simply dismissed the
ancillary AM Stereo comparisons. And then, deleted the point.

Like I said. Nice dodge.

On Dec 15, 5:21�pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
NX211 wrote:
On Dec 13, 7:53 pm, "Commander Col. Klink"
wrote:
http://reviews.cnet.com/2300-33_7-10...s=0&o=10001201

HD radio was supposed to be the next great thing in "free" radio,
offering clear, digital "CD quality sound" and more listening choices.

Looks like the buying public voted with their wallets..

HD radio you're the biggest loser.. goody by!

HD radio IS a big loser. �The problem is it's still here and will
probably linger for years to come.

If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will still linger
because the stations that already have it won't have any incentive to ditch the
gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond scrap metal value
in the used market.
Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other room it'll probably
be an HD station.
...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my satisfaction with
the improvements that technology brings.
So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the ones that respond)
say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on usenet which is known
as a forum for whiners?

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

But, HD Radio at least doubles their power bills, requires on-going
troubleshooting, and there are on-going fees to iBiquity. i would
think stations, as radio groups declare bankruptcy, will eventually
pull the plug.

I bought a nice Sony radio for two dollars at the Goodwill store
today,,, and also a leather belt for two dollars, belt is just like
brand new.

www.devilfinder.com
Sony TV Weather AM FM ICF-34 Radio

I am trying the radio out right now, it does Good at night time AM
DXing.Much, Much Better than Anything hd has.
cuhulin