"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
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On 12/16/09 14:38 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
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On 12/16/09 14:26 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
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On 12/16/09 13:48 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
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On 12/15/09 17:35 , Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob wrote in message
news:4b2a08da.2108125@chupacabra...
If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will
still
linger
because the stations that already have it won't have any incentive
to
ditch the
gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond scrap
metal
value
in the used market.
Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other room
it'll
probably
be an HD station.
...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my
satisfaction
with
the improvements that technology brings.
So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the ones
that
respond)
say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on usenet
which
is
known
as a forum for whiners?


Neither. They'll look at the dismal sales curve for the receivers
and
the
near zero Arbitron ratings for their IBOC streams and eventually
conclude
that it isn't worth the extra electricity to keep the IBOC running.




There's still the matter of investment. With well into 6
figures
for
a
single station, manglement, investors, and corporate interests will
not
simply let it die and go away. Like AM stereo, which actually
worked,
it
took nearly 20 years to go away.

But, UNlike AM stereo, which had a "marketplace based" approach and
competing standards all on the air at once....HD Radio standard has
been
chosen. There is no battle among the formats on the air. Listeners
can
enjoy it from the get go.

With AM Stereo, one had to decide which system to buy...and then
could
only
listen to certain stations.

HD learned from that fiasco...and is avoinding the pitfalls.

The uptake is slow...

So? It's not in a race? Apathy is everywhere in radio, satelite, SW,
AM,
FM, HD. Consumers aren't rushing to do anything with radio.

the technology is flawed

Debatable.

and the implementation is poor.

Implementation is pretty good! Consumers in most places can pick up an
HD
radio and start enjoying it immediately. (Unlike the AM Stereo
"marketplace
solution".)

But the investment has been spectacular.

In the scheme of things, not really.



As Mrs Iacocca said: Nice Dodge.


Not a dodge, it was an answer to your points.

No, it wasn't. You answered nothing. You simply dismissed the ancillary
AM Stereo comparisons. And then, deleted the point.

Like I said. Nice dodge.

Not at all...if you open your mind and think a bit.

But then again, your reputation is to always want the last word and argue
meaningless points endlessly, so I should expect it.

But, HD Radio at least doubles their power bills,

No it doesn't.

requires on-going troubleshooting,

We have been running it trouble free for the last few years. Haven't had to
make a change or adjustment since the sign on.

and there are on-going fees to iBiquity.

Just like there are to ASCAP, BMI, Microsoft, etc., etc.

It's part of the cost of running a business.

i would think stations, as radio groups declare bankruptcy, will
eventually pull the plug.

You would be wrong. ;-)

About two something months ago, I saw an hd radio for sale at the
Walmart store.Next time I go over there, if I think about it (I probally
won't think about it) I might see if it is still sitting on the shelf.I
don't want an hd radio anyway.
cuhulin

On 12/17/09 24:15 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
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On 12/16/09 14:38 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 14:26 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 13:48 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/15/09 17:35 , Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob wrote in message
news:4b2a08da.2108125@chupacabra...
If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will
still
linger
because the stations that already have it won't have any incentive
to
ditch the
gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond scrap
metal
value
in the used market.
Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other room
it'll
probably
be an HD station.
...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my
satisfaction
with
the improvements that technology brings.
So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the ones
that
respond)
say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on usenet
which
is
known
as a forum for whiners?


Neither. They'll look at the dismal sales curve for the receivers
and
the
near zero Arbitron ratings for their IBOC streams and eventually
conclude
that it isn't worth the extra electricity to keep the IBOC running.




There's still the matter of investment. With well into 6
figures
for
a
single station, manglement, investors, and corporate interests will
not
simply let it die and go away. Like AM stereo, which actually
worked,
it
took nearly 20 years to go away.

But, UNlike AM stereo, which had a "marketplace based" approach and
competing standards all on the air at once....HD Radio standard has
been
chosen. There is no battle among the formats on the air. Listeners
can
enjoy it from the get go.

With AM Stereo, one had to decide which system to buy...and then
could
only
listen to certain stations.

HD learned from that fiasco...and is avoinding the pitfalls.

The uptake is slow...

So? It's not in a race? Apathy is everywhere in radio, satelite, SW,
AM,
FM, HD. Consumers aren't rushing to do anything with radio.

the technology is flawed

Debatable.

and the implementation is poor.

Implementation is pretty good! Consumers in most places can pick up an
HD
radio and start enjoying it immediately. (Unlike the AM Stereo
"marketplace
solution".)

But the investment has been spectacular.

In the scheme of things, not really.



As Mrs Iacocca said: Nice Dodge.


Not a dodge, it was an answer to your points.

No, it wasn't. You answered nothing. You simply dismissed the ancillary
AM Stereo comparisons. And then, deleted the point.

Like I said. Nice dodge.

Not at all...if you open your mind and think a bit.


Oh, yeah,...you're right. I'll get some fox entrails so I can
divine your meaning. Since you deleted the actual point of my message,

But then again, your reputation is to always want the last word and argue
meaningless points endlessly, so I should expect it.


When you delete the point and argue the trivia, you should expect
to get called on it, yes.

www.devilfinder.com
Norway UFO Hyperdimensional Portal

Sheeeeeeeeit,,, How far is Hessdalen,Norway from Bognor Regis,England?
I am too Lazy to map it.
cuhulin

"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 12/17/09 24:15 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 14:38 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 14:26 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 13:48 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/15/09 17:35 , Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob wrote in message
news:4b2a08da.2108125@chupacabra...
If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will
still
linger
because the stations that already have it won't have any
incentive
to
ditch the
gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond
scrap
metal
value
in the used market.
Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other room
it'll
probably
be an HD station.
...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my
satisfaction
with
the improvements that technology brings.
So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the ones
that
respond)
say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on usenet
which
is
known
as a forum for whiners?


Neither. They'll look at the dismal sales curve for the
receivers
and
the
near zero Arbitron ratings for their IBOC streams and eventually
conclude
that it isn't worth the extra electricity to keep the IBOC
running.




There's still the matter of investment. With well into 6
figures
for
a
single station, manglement, investors, and corporate interests
will
not
simply let it die and go away. Like AM stereo, which actually
worked,
it
took nearly 20 years to go away.

But, UNlike AM stereo, which had a "marketplace based" approach and
competing standards all on the air at once....HD Radio standard has
been
chosen. There is no battle among the formats on the air.
Listeners
can
enjoy it from the get go.

With AM Stereo, one had to decide which system to buy...and then
could
only
listen to certain stations.

HD learned from that fiasco...and is avoinding the pitfalls.

The uptake is slow...

So? It's not in a race? Apathy is everywhere in radio, satelite,
SW,
AM,
FM, HD. Consumers aren't rushing to do anything with radio.

the technology is flawed

Debatable.

and the implementation is poor.

Implementation is pretty good! Consumers in most places can pick up
an
HD
radio and start enjoying it immediately. (Unlike the AM Stereo
"marketplace
solution".)

But the investment has been spectacular.

In the scheme of things, not really.



As Mrs Iacocca said: Nice Dodge.


Not a dodge, it was an answer to your points.

No, it wasn't. You answered nothing. You simply dismissed the
ancillary
AM Stereo comparisons. And then, deleted the point.

Like I said. Nice dodge.

Not at all...if you open your mind and think a bit.


Oh, yeah,...you're right. I'll get some fox entrails so I can divine
your meaning. Since you deleted the actual point of my message,

But then again, your reputation is to always want the last word and argue
meaningless points endlessly, so I should expect it.


When you delete the point and argue the trivia, you should expect to get
called on it, yes.


When there is no point, and people ignore the diatribe....you should expect
to get called on it.

But feel free to try to get in the last word, and argue meaningless points
endlessly. ;-)

On 12/17/09 13:03 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/17/09 24:15 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 14:38 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 14:26 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 13:48 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/15/09 17:35 , Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob wrote in message
news:4b2a08da.2108125@chupacabra...
If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will
still
linger
because the stations that already have it won't have any
incentive
to
ditch the
gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond
scrap
metal
value
in the used market.
Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other room
it'll
probably
be an HD station.
...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my
satisfaction
with
the improvements that technology brings.
So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the ones
that
respond)
say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on usenet
which
is
known
as a forum for whiners?


Neither. They'll look at the dismal sales curve for the
receivers
and
the
near zero Arbitron ratings for their IBOC streams and eventually
conclude
that it isn't worth the extra electricity to keep the IBOC
running.




There's still the matter of investment. With well into 6
figures
for
a
single station, manglement, investors, and corporate interests
will
not
simply let it die and go away. Like AM stereo, which actually
worked,
it
took nearly 20 years to go away.

But, UNlike AM stereo, which had a "marketplace based" approach and
competing standards all on the air at once....HD Radio standard has
been
chosen. There is no battle among the formats on the air.
Listeners
can
enjoy it from the get go.

With AM Stereo, one had to decide which system to buy...and then
could
only
listen to certain stations.

HD learned from that fiasco...and is avoinding the pitfalls.

The uptake is slow...

So? It's not in a race? Apathy is everywhere in radio, satelite,
SW,
AM,
FM, HD. Consumers aren't rushing to do anything with radio.

the technology is flawed

Debatable.

and the implementation is poor.

Implementation is pretty good! Consumers in most places can pick up
an
HD
radio and start enjoying it immediately. (Unlike the AM Stereo
"marketplace
solution".)

But the investment has been spectacular.

In the scheme of things, not really.



As Mrs Iacocca said: Nice Dodge.


Not a dodge, it was an answer to your points.

No, it wasn't. You answered nothing. You simply dismissed the
ancillary
AM Stereo comparisons. And then, deleted the point.

Like I said. Nice dodge.

Not at all...if you open your mind and think a bit.


Oh, yeah,...you're right. I'll get some fox entrails so I can divine
your meaning. Since you deleted the actual point of my message,

But then again, your reputation is to always want the last word and argue
meaningless points endlessly, so I should expect it.


When you delete the point and argue the trivia, you should expect to get
called on it, yes.


When there is no point, and people ignore the diatribe....you should expect
to get called on it.

But feel free to try to get in the last word, and argue meaningless points
endlessly. ;-)


No, that's your specialty.

"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 12/17/09 13:03 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/17/09 24:15 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 14:38 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 14:26 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 13:48 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in
message
...
On 12/15/09 17:35 , Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob wrote in message
news:4b2a08da.2108125@chupacabra...
If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will
still
linger
because the stations that already have it won't have any
incentive
to
ditch the
gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond
scrap
metal
value
in the used market.
Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other
room
it'll
probably
be an HD station.
...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my
satisfaction
with
the improvements that technology brings.
So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the
ones
that
respond)
say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on
usenet
which
is
known
as a forum for whiners?


Neither. They'll look at the dismal sales curve for the
receivers
and
the
near zero Arbitron ratings for their IBOC streams and
eventually
conclude
that it isn't worth the extra electricity to keep the IBOC
running.




There's still the matter of investment. With well into 6
figures
for
a
single station, manglement, investors, and corporate interests
will
not
simply let it die and go away. Like AM stereo, which actually
worked,
it
took nearly 20 years to go away.

But, UNlike AM stereo, which had a "marketplace based" approach
and
competing standards all on the air at once....HD Radio standard
has
been
chosen. There is no battle among the formats on the air.
Listeners
can
enjoy it from the get go.

With AM Stereo, one had to decide which system to buy...and then
could
only
listen to certain stations.

HD learned from that fiasco...and is avoinding the pitfalls.

The uptake is slow...

So? It's not in a race? Apathy is everywhere in radio, satelite,
SW,
AM,
FM, HD. Consumers aren't rushing to do anything with radio.

the technology is flawed

Debatable.

and the implementation is poor.

Implementation is pretty good! Consumers in most places can pick
up
an
HD
radio and start enjoying it immediately. (Unlike the AM Stereo
"marketplace
solution".)

But the investment has been spectacular.

In the scheme of things, not really.



As Mrs Iacocca said: Nice Dodge.


Not a dodge, it was an answer to your points.

No, it wasn't. You answered nothing. You simply dismissed the
ancillary
AM Stereo comparisons. And then, deleted the point.

Like I said. Nice dodge.

Not at all...if you open your mind and think a bit.


Oh, yeah,...you're right. I'll get some fox entrails so I can divine
your meaning. Since you deleted the actual point of my message,

But then again, your reputation is to always want the last word and
argue
meaningless points endlessly, so I should expect it.


When you delete the point and argue the trivia, you should expect to
get
called on it, yes.


When there is no point, and people ignore the diatribe....you should
expect
to get called on it.

But feel free to try to get in the last word, and argue meaningless
points
endlessly. ;-)


No, that's your specialty.

Here we go! Your repurtation preceeds you maus.

Run along and go find Telemon to play with.

Either that or find a meaninless thread you canextend in perpetuity.

On 12/17/09 14:41 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/17/09 13:03 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/17/09 24:15 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 14:38 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 14:26 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 13:48 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in
message
...
On 12/15/09 17:35 , Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob wrote in message
news:4b2a08da.2108125@chupacabra...
If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will
still
linger
because the stations that already have it won't have any
incentive
to
ditch the
gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond
scrap
metal
value
in the used market.
Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other
room
it'll
probably
be an HD station.
...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my
satisfaction
with
the improvements that technology brings.
So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the
ones
that
respond)
say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on
usenet
which
is
known
as a forum for whiners?


Neither. They'll look at the dismal sales curve for the
receivers
and
the
near zero Arbitron ratings for their IBOC streams and
eventually
conclude
that it isn't worth the extra electricity to keep the IBOC
running.




There's still the matter of investment. With well into 6
figures
for
a
single station, manglement, investors, and corporate interests
will
not
simply let it die and go away. Like AM stereo, which actually
worked,
it
took nearly 20 years to go away.

But, UNlike AM stereo, which had a "marketplace based" approach
and
competing standards all on the air at once....HD Radio standard
has
been
chosen. There is no battle among the formats on the air.
Listeners
can
enjoy it from the get go.

With AM Stereo, one had to decide which system to buy...and then
could
only
listen to certain stations.

HD learned from that fiasco...and is avoinding the pitfalls.

The uptake is slow...

So? It's not in a race? Apathy is everywhere in radio, satelite,
SW,
AM,
FM, HD. Consumers aren't rushing to do anything with radio.

the technology is flawed

Debatable.

and the implementation is poor.

Implementation is pretty good! Consumers in most places can pick
up
an
HD
radio and start enjoying it immediately. (Unlike the AM Stereo
"marketplace
solution".)

But the investment has been spectacular.

In the scheme of things, not really.



As Mrs Iacocca said: Nice Dodge.


Not a dodge, it was an answer to your points.

No, it wasn't. You answered nothing. You simply dismissed the
ancillary
AM Stereo comparisons. And then, deleted the point.

Like I said. Nice dodge.

Not at all...if you open your mind and think a bit.


Oh, yeah,...you're right. I'll get some fox entrails so I can divine
your meaning. Since you deleted the actual point of my message,

But then again, your reputation is to always want the last word and
argue
meaningless points endlessly, so I should expect it.


When you delete the point and argue the trivia, you should expect to
get
called on it, yes.


When there is no point, and people ignore the diatribe....you should
expect
to get called on it.

But feel free to try to get in the last word, and argue meaningless
points
endlessly. ;-)


No, that's your specialty.

Here we go! Your repurtation preceeds you maus.

Run along and go find Telemon to play with.

Either that or find a meaninless thread you canextend in perpetuity.



Whatever happened to Telamon? He disappeared a few days after
Eduardo vanished.

And I thought I was in a meaningless thread.

"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 12/17/09 14:41 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/17/09 13:03 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/17/09 24:15 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 14:38 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 12/16/09 14:26 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in
message
...
On 12/16/09 13:48 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in
message
...
On 12/15/09 17:35 , Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob wrote in message
news:4b2a08da.2108125@chupacabra...
If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it
will
still
linger
because the stations that already have it won't have any
incentive
to
ditch the
gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond
scrap
metal
value
in the used market.
Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other
room
it'll
probably
be an HD station.
...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my
satisfaction
with
the improvements that technology brings.
So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the
ones
that
respond)
say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on
usenet
which
is
known
as a forum for whiners?


Neither. They'll look at the dismal sales curve for the
receivers
and
the
near zero Arbitron ratings for their IBOC streams and
eventually
conclude
that it isn't worth the extra electricity to keep the IBOC
running.




There's still the matter of investment. With well into
6
figures
for
a
single station, manglement, investors, and corporate interests
will
not
simply let it die and go away. Like AM stereo, which actually
worked,
it
took nearly 20 years to go away.

But, UNlike AM stereo, which had a "marketplace based" approach
and
competing standards all on the air at once....HD Radio standard
has
been
chosen. There is no battle among the formats on the air.
Listeners
can
enjoy it from the get go.

With AM Stereo, one had to decide which system to buy...and
then
could
only
listen to certain stations.

HD learned from that fiasco...and is avoinding the pitfalls.

The uptake is slow...

So? It's not in a race? Apathy is everywhere in radio,
satelite,
SW,
AM,
FM, HD. Consumers aren't rushing to do anything with radio.

the technology is flawed

Debatable.

and the implementation is poor.

Implementation is pretty good! Consumers in most places can pick
up
an
HD
radio and start enjoying it immediately. (Unlike the AM Stereo
"marketplace
solution".)

But the investment has been spectacular.

In the scheme of things, not really.



As Mrs Iacocca said: Nice Dodge.


Not a dodge, it was an answer to your points.

No, it wasn't. You answered nothing. You simply dismissed the
ancillary
AM Stereo comparisons. And then, deleted the point.

Like I said. Nice dodge.

Not at all...if you open your mind and think a bit.


Oh, yeah,...you're right. I'll get some fox entrails so I can
divine
your meaning. Since you deleted the actual point of my message,

But then again, your reputation is to always want the last word and
argue
meaningless points endlessly, so I should expect it.


When you delete the point and argue the trivia, you should expect
to
get
called on it, yes.


When there is no point, and people ignore the diatribe....you should
expect
to get called on it.

But feel free to try to get in the last word, and argue meaningless
points
endlessly. ;-)


No, that's your specialty.

Here we go! Your repurtation preceeds you maus.

Run along and go find Telemon to play with.

Either that or find a meaninless thread you canextend in perpetuity.



Whatever happened to Telamon? He disappeared a few days after Eduardo
vanished.

And I thought I was in a meaningless thread.

You are....and looking forward to you extending it's life forever.....and
ever...