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Although the grotesquely misnamed liberal, lefty and progressive radio
program Air America is off the air, its lies, its perverted mission live on. Hoping to recoup some of their massive investment (and maybe paying the bilked Bronx Boys' Club?), investors are holding a public auction of all remaining assets. And I do mean all. In addition to the usual office furniture and supplies, private intellectual property is up for bid. Yours maybe? http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...ptcy_auct.html |
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On Mar 29, 1:54*pm, dave wrote:
The Progressive Talk format continues to do OK. "Progressive"? What's so "progressive" about promoting a Communist tyranny? *Air America never was a very good operation Maybe ACORN should have run it. |
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in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, DEFCON 88 said about: "Progressive"? What's so "progressive" about promoting a Communist tyranny? Oh brother. Your kind, huh? Here's a poll about your kind. =========== But what else could be expected from Obama, whose spiritual mentor gave Louis Farrakhan a lifetime achievement award? Oh gee! Rev. Jerimiah Wright did? Just cuz Obama went to church there for 20 years!!??? .....but but but...... But I thought Obama was a Muslim! Can you say doublethink? ...as in Orwellian brainwashing? as in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink ????? New Harris POLL: http://news.harrisinteractive.com/pr...a tegory=1777 Mar 24, 2010 "Wingnuts" and President Obama A socialist? A Muslim? Anti-American? The Anti-Christ? Large minorities of Americans hold some "remarkable" opinions Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe Is Hijacking America. This Harris Poll seeks to measure how many people are involved. It finds that Republicans believe that President Obama: * Is a socialist (67%) * Wants to take away Americans' right to own guns (61%) * Is a Muslim (57%) * Wants to turn over the sovereignty of the United States (51%) * Has done many things that are unconstitutional (55%). * Was not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president (45%) * Is a "domestic enemy" (45%) My, what whacko, brainwashed dittohead parrots you guys are. How did THAT happen!? Easy: USA Today/Gallup poll -- RUSH LIMBAUGH is the REPUBLICAN'S LEADER ! asked: "Who speaks for the Republican party today?" LIMBAUGH...In every catigory: Both Republicans, Dems agree. Dick Cheney is number two. That's right, Limbaugh & Cheney. http://www.gallup.com/poll/120806/Li...aking-GOP.aspx BUT WAIT! there's mo Differences by education These replies are also strongly correlated with education. The less education people have had the more likely they are to believe all of these statements. Consider these differences between those with no college education and those with post-graduate education: * He is a socialist (45% and 20%) * He wants to take away Americans' right to own guns (45% and 19%) * He is a Muslim (43% and 9%) * He was not born in the United States so is not eligible to be president (32% and 7%) * He is a racist (28% and 9%) * He is anti-American (27% and 9%) * He is doing many of the things Hitler did (24% and 10%). After reviewing these findings, John Avlon comments, "These new numbers are shocking but not surprising – they detail the extent to which Wingnuts are hijacking our politics. This poll should be a wake-up call to all Americans about the real costs of using fear and hate to pump up hyper-partisanship. We are playing with dynamite by demonizing our president and dividing our country in the process. Americans need to remember the perspective that Wingnuts always forget – patriotism is more important than partisanship." So what? So what indeed! These responses recall a favorite saying of our founder Lou Harris that "when you don't want to publish a poll finding you dislike, you should get out of the business." The very large numbers of people who believe all these things of President Obama help to explain the size and strength of the Tea Party Movement, a topic that will be addressed in another Harris Poll in a few days time. TABLE 1 PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE VARIOUS STATEMENTS ABOUT PRESIDENT OBAMA ARE TRUE "On another subject, here are some things people have said about President Obama. Please indicate for each whether you believe it is true or false." ================= Education Political Philosophy Political Party Total H.S. Some College Post Cons. Mod. Lib. Rep. Dem. Ind. or less College Grad Grad % % % % % % % % % % % He is a socialist 40 45 38 42 20 67 30 15 67 14 42 He wants to take away Americans' right to own guns 38 45 37 32 19 63 28 15 61 17 39 He is a Muslim 32 43 30 24 9 51 26 16 57 15 29 He was not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president 25 32 22 21 7 41 19 10 45 8 24 Total H.S. Some College Post Cons. Mod. Lib. Rep. Dem. Ind. or less College Grad Grad He is a domestic enemy that the U.S. Constitutions speaks of 25 32 23 17 10 45 16 9 45 8 24 He is anti-American 23 27 22 20 9 43 14 8 41 7 22 He is doing many of the things that Hitler did 20 24 20 18 10 36 13 9 38 6 19 He may be the Anti-Christ 14 18 13 9 4 24 9 8 24 6 13 He wants the terrorists to win 13 16 11 11 6 23 9 6 22 5 12 many snips........ ================= Here is the TABLE 1 in nifty e-mail format (a pic). 32K (Right-click the picture to download.) http://tinypic.com/r/2my2gcy/5 or http://i44.tinypic.com/2my2gcy.jpg Tags: harris poll obama doublethink brainwashing Please pass this on..... ================ The insane twist the facts to fit their world view. The rational change their world view to fit the facts. |
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On Mar 29, 10:16*am, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 05:38:54 -0700 (PDT), ?baMa? Tse Dung wrote: Although the grotesquely misnamed liberal, lefty and progressive radio program Air America is off the air, its lies, its perverted mission live on Thus proving that the "left" simply doesn't need the overblown, emotional laden, sham moralistic crap the rightwing does Your "side" had NO historical basis for "feeling good" about policies, initiatives, programs in all your miserable history You NEED Faux to make you poor assholes feel good about yourselves We don't Yes you do http://www.globalmuseumoncommunism.org |
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DEFCON 88 wrote:
On Mar 29, 1:54 pm, dave wrote: The Progressive Talk format continues to do OK. "Progressive"? What's so "progressive" about promoting a Communist tyranny? Air America never was a very good operation Maybe ACORN should have run it. You mad or something? No one is promoting a "communist tyranny". There are a lot of fascists running around; perhaps you're confused. |
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On Mar 29, 4:13Â*pm, ∅baMa∅ Tse Dung wrote:
On Mar 29, 10:16Â*am, wrote: On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 05:38:54 -0700 (PDT), ?baMa? Tse Dung wrote: Although the grotesquely misnamed liberal, lefty and progressive radio program Air America is off the air, its lies, its perverted mission live on Thus proving that the "left" simply doesn't need the overblown, emotional laden, sham moralistic crap the rightwing does Your "side" had NO historical basis for "feeling good" about policies, initiatives, programs in all your miserable history You NEED Faux to make you poor assholes feel good about yourselves We don't Yes you dohttp://www.globalmuseumoncommunism.org Long live Communism! Hooray! I whistle the Internationale while I throw darts at the Constitution! What fun! |
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bpnjensen wrote:
...while I throw darts at the Constitution! Why not? George W. Bush said "It's just a piece of paper". Heck of a job, Georgie! |
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On Mar 29, 12:37*pm, DEFCON 88 wrote:
On Mar 29, 1:54*pm, dave wrote: The Progressive Talk format continues to do OK. "Progressive"? What's so "progressive" about promoting a Communist tyranny? They don't! *Air America never was a very good operation Maybe ACORN should have run it. The Progressive format lives on regardless of Air America! |
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On 3/29/10 20:59 , MACK DADDY wrote:
On Mar 29, 12:37 pm, DEFCON wrote: On Mar 29, 1:54 pm, wrote: The Progressive Talk format continues to do OK. "Progressive"? What's so "progressive" about promoting a Communist tyranny? They don't! Air America never was a very good operation Maybe ACORN should have run it. The Progressive format lives on regardless of Air America! There is no Progressive format. There is Progressive CONTENT. But Not a Progressive format. Progressive content in the US has existed since the US. What set Air America apart from the current, previous, and future content, is that they put politics before the sound business model. It's been demonstrated multiple times that progressive content may exist in a profitable business model. Air America's undoing is that they did not establish a working business model before they opened the doors. Had they done THAT, they would be in business, today. Several things they did that were their undoing, of which the most significant: They did not build their network based on a stable of broadcasters. Of their prime players, only Randi Rhodes was a broadcaster. And she was the only one who had made a commitment to Radio as a career. Al Franken, the anchor of the network, went on to say...on the air, no less...repeatedly that he had only signed a short term contract, and did not know how long he would be remaining in Radio. Radio audiences are based on longevity, and loyalty. Radio viablity is based in the ability of advertisers to be found to support the operation. That support requires a solid listener base to attract advertisers. And Franken made no secret that he was counting the days. A listener base will not form around a host who will not be there at the end of a short term contract. An advertiser base will not form without a listener base, nor a solid and stable operation. Franken was the Big Fish at AAR. He set a tone. He established a foundation. And his repeated comments about the temporary nature of his presence there prevented the formation of both listener and advertiser commitment at the outset. It also prevented his stablemates from making a commitment, as well. And Air America was doomed before it launched, as a result. By comparison, Rush, Hannity, Beck and their contemporaries are broadcasters first. They've made a commitment to both the medium and the listener. They understand that Radio IS after all a business. And they operate their shows as a business: Providing content FOR SALE. Advertisers can sign on with some confidence that there will be at least an attempt at stability. And though the content can be as raving and pedantic as AAR's, the business model is solid. It's also easier to sell Conservative Radio, because of the nature of Radio. But that's not to say that Progressive Radio can't be sold. It can. It's just not as easy. By contrast, NPR, and its similars, also have a working business model. They, too, provide content for sale. The difference is that NPR and its similars provide content for sale to local stations, and the stations raise funds to pay for it by asking for donations from their listener. Further operating funds are provided by corporate grants and donations, and grants from public foundations. But the business model is still sound. And the business model was in place BEFORE the launch of the content. Air America simply didn't do that. Progressive content has been around for centuries. It can, it does, and it will survive. Because it was, is, and will be, content offered FOR SALE. Air America forgot that simple element. And failed. Conservative Talk Radio is operated as RADIO: as a business first. It's content provided by broadcasters, who know and understand the Business of Radio, for sale. Air America's founders were not broadcasters. Air America's support staff and manglement were not broadcasters. Air America's talent were mostly not broadcasters. And without that understanding about how broadcasting works, they failed before they launched. The failure of Air America was the failure of Air America's business model. Run by broadcasters, as a business first, there may have been a different outcome. |
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D. Peter Maus wrote:
There is no Progressive format. There is Progressive CONTENT. But Not a Progressive format. http://www.clearchannel.com/Radio/Pr...sReleaseID=825 http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3428 KPTP KPOJ KTLK are 3 that I listen to on a daily basis. |
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On Mar 30, 1:19*am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
* *There is no Progressive format. There is Progressive CONTENT. But Not a Progressive format. * *Progressive content in the US has existed since the US. What set Air America apart from the current, previous, and future content, is that they put politics before the sound business model. It's been demonstrated multiple times that progressive content may exist in a profitable business model. Air America's undoing is that they did not establish a working business model before they opened the doors. Had they done THAT, they would be in business, today. * *Several things they did that were their undoing, of which the most significant: They did not build their network based on a stable of broadcasters. Of their prime players, only Randi Rhodes was a broadcaster. And she was the only one who had made a commitment to Radio as a career. Al Franken, the anchor of the network, went on to say...on the air, no less...repeatedly that he had only signed a short term contract, and did not know how long he would be remaining in Radio. * *Radio audiences are based on longevity, and loyalty. Radio viablity is based in the ability of advertisers to be found to support the operation. That support requires a solid listener base to attract advertisers. And Franken made no secret that he was counting the days. A listener base will not form around a host who will not be there at the end of a short term contract. An advertiser base will not form without a listener base, nor a solid and stable operation. Franken was the Big Fish at AAR. He set a tone. He established a foundation. And his repeated comments about the temporary nature of his presence there prevented the formation of both listener and advertiser commitment at the outset. It also prevented his stablemates from making a commitment, as well. And Air America was doomed before it launched, as a result. * *By comparison, Rush, Hannity, Beck and their contemporaries are broadcasters first. They've made a commitment to both the medium and the listener. They understand that Radio IS after all a business. And they operate their shows as a business: Providing content FOR SALE. Advertisers can sign on with some confidence that there will be at least an attempt at stability. And though the content can be as raving and pedantic as AAR's, the business model is solid. * *It's also easier to sell Conservative Radio, because of the nature of Radio. But that's not to say that Progressive Radio can't be sold. It can. It's just not as easy. * *By contrast, NPR, and its similars, also have a working business model. *They, too, provide content for sale. The difference is that NPR and its similars provide content for sale to local stations, and the stations raise funds to pay for it by asking for donations from their listener. Further operating funds are provided by corporate grants and donations, and grants from public foundations. But the business model is still sound. And the business model was in place BEFORE the launch of the content. * *Air America simply didn't do that. * *Progressive content has been around for centuries. It can, it does, and it will survive. Because it was, is, and will be, content offered FOR SALE. Air America forgot that simple element. And failed. Conservative Talk Radio is operated as RADIO: as a business first. It's content provided by broadcasters, who know and understand the Business of Radio, for sale. Air America's founders were not broadcasters. Air America's support staff and manglement were not broadcasters. Air America's talent were mostly not broadcasters. And without that understanding about how broadcasting works, they failed before they launched. * *The failure of Air America was the failure of Air America's business model. Run by broadcasters, as a business first, there may have been a different outcome.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I really like this description. It is probably applicable to far more formnats than just political radio, or radio in general for that matter. Bruce |
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On Mar 30, 1:19*am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 3/29/10 20:59 , MACK DADDY wrote: On Mar 29, 12:37 pm, DEFCON *wrote: On Mar 29, 1:54 pm, *wrote: The Progressive Talk format continues to do OK. "Progressive"? What's so "progressive" about promoting a Communist tyranny? They don't! * Air America never was a very good operation Maybe ACORN should have run it. The Progressive format lives on regardless of Air America! * *There is no Progressive format. There is Progressive CONTENT. But Not a Progressive format. * *Progressive content in the US has existed since the US. What set Air America apart from the current, previous, and future content, is that they put politics before the sound business model. It's been demonstrated multiple times that progressive content may exist in a profitable business model. Air America's undoing is that they did not establish a working business model before they opened the doors. Had they done THAT, they would be in business, today. * *Several things they did that were their undoing, of which the most significant: They did not build their network based on a stable of broadcasters. Of their prime players, only Randi Rhodes was a broadcaster. And she was the only one who had made a commitment to Radio as a career. Al Franken, the anchor of the network, went on to say...on the air, no less...repeatedly that he had only signed a short term contract, and did not know how long he would be remaining in Radio. * *Radio audiences are based on longevity, and loyalty. Radio viablity is based in the ability of advertisers to be found to support the operation. That support requires a solid listener base to attract advertisers. And Franken made no secret that he was counting the days. A listener base will not form around a host who will not be there at the end of a short term contract. An advertiser base will not form without a listener base, nor a solid and stable operation. Franken was the Big Fish at AAR. He set a tone. He established a foundation. And his repeated comments about the temporary nature of his presence there prevented the formation of both listener and advertiser commitment at the outset. It also prevented his stablemates from making a commitment, as well. And Air America was doomed before it launched, as a result. * *By comparison, Rush, Hannity, Beck and their contemporaries are broadcasters first. They've made a commitment to both the medium and the listener. They understand that Radio IS after all a business. And they operate their shows as a business: Providing content FOR SALE. Advertisers can sign on with some confidence that there will be at least an attempt at stability. And though the content can be as raving and pedantic as AAR's, the business model is solid. * *It's also easier to sell Conservative Radio, because of the nature of Radio. But that's not to say that Progressive Radio can't be sold. It can. It's just not as easy. * *By contrast, NPR, and its similars, also have a working business model. *They, too, provide content for sale. The difference is that NPR and its similars provide content for sale to local stations, and the stations raise funds to pay for it by asking for donations from their listener. Further operating funds are provided by corporate grants and donations, and grants from public foundations. But the business model is still sound. And the business model was in place BEFORE the launch of the content. * *Air America simply didn't do that. * *Progressive content has been around for centuries. It can, it does, and it will survive. Because it was, is, and will be, content offered FOR SALE. Air America forgot that simple element. And failed. Conservative Talk Radio is operated as RADIO: as a business first. It's content provided by broadcasters, who know and understand the Business of Radio, for sale. Air America's founders were not broadcasters. Air America's support staff and manglement were not broadcasters. Air America's talent were mostly not broadcasters. And without that understanding about how broadcasting works, they failed before they launched. * *The failure of Air America was the failure of Air America's business model. Run by broadcasters, as a business first, there may have been a different outcome.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Wow! You really don't get it, do you? Most listeners could not possibly give a rats ass about business models or any of your other corporate talk. What listeners want is something interesting. Something they can relate too. And you conveniently left out some facts, as you conservatives are want to do. Mike Malloy was doing progressive talk long before AAR. Ed Shultz was a sportscaster before he became a political talker. |
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On Mar 30, 1:19*am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 3/29/10 20:59 , MACK DADDY wrote: On Mar 29, 12:37 pm, DEFCON *wrote: On Mar 29, 1:54 pm, *wrote: The Progressive Talk format continues to do OK. "Progressive"? What's so "progressive" about promoting a Communist tyranny? They don't! * Air America never was a very good operation Maybe ACORN should have run it. The Progressive format lives on regardless of Air America! * *There is no Progressive format. There is Progressive CONTENT. But Not a Progressive format. * *Progressive content in the US has existed since the US. What set Air America apart from the current, previous, and future content, is that they put politics before the sound business model. It's been demonstrated multiple times that progressive content may exist in a profitable business model. Air America's undoing is that they did not establish a working business model before they opened the doors. Had they done THAT, they would be in business, today. * *Several things they did that were their undoing, of which the most significant: They did not build their network based on a stable of broadcasters. Of their prime players, only Randi Rhodes was a broadcaster. And she was the only one who had made a commitment to Radio as a career. Al Franken, the anchor of the network, went on to say...on the air, no less...repeatedly that he had only signed a short term contract, and did not know how long he would be remaining in Radio. * *Radio audiences are based on longevity, and loyalty. Radio viablity is based in the ability of advertisers to be found to support the operation. That support requires a solid listener base to attract advertisers. And Franken made no secret that he was counting the days. A listener base will not form around a host who will not be there at the end of a short term contract. An advertiser base will not form without a listener base, nor a solid and stable operation. Franken was the Big Fish at AAR. He set a tone. He established a foundation. And his repeated comments about the temporary nature of his presence there prevented the formation of both listener and advertiser commitment at the outset. It also prevented his stablemates from making a commitment, as well. And Air America was doomed before it launched, as a result. * *By comparison, Rush, Hannity, Beck and their contemporaries are broadcasters first. They've made a commitment to both the medium and the listener. They understand that Radio IS after all a business. And they operate their shows as a business: Providing content FOR SALE. Advertisers can sign on with some confidence that there will be at least an attempt at stability. And though the content can be as raving and pedantic as AAR's, the business model is solid. * *It's also easier to sell Conservative Radio, because of the nature of Radio. But that's not to say that Progressive Radio can't be sold. It can. It's just not as easy. * *By contrast, NPR, and its similars, also have a working business model. *They, too, provide content for sale. The difference is that NPR and its similars provide content for sale to local stations, and the stations raise funds to pay for it by asking for donations from their listener. Further operating funds are provided by corporate grants and donations, and grants from public foundations. But the business model is still sound. And the business model was in place BEFORE the launch of the content. * *Air America simply didn't do that. * *Progressive content has been around for centuries. It can, it does, and it will survive. Because it was, is, and will be, content offered FOR SALE. Air America forgot that simple element. And failed. Conservative Talk Radio is operated as RADIO: as a business first. It's content provided by broadcasters, who know and understand the Business of Radio, for sale. Air America's founders were not broadcasters. Air America's support staff and manglement were not broadcasters. Air America's talent were mostly not broadcasters. And without that understanding about how broadcasting works, they failed before they launched. * *The failure of Air America was the failure of Air America's business model. Run by broadcasters, as a business first, there may have been a different outcome.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It is called Progressive Format BECAUSE it features Progressive Content! |
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On 3/30/10 23:25 , MACK DADDY wrote:
On Mar 30, 1:19 am, "D. Peter wrote: On 3/29/10 20:59 , MACK DADDY wrote: On Mar 29, 12:37 pm, DEFCON wrote: On Mar 29, 1:54 pm, wrote: The Progressive Talk format continues to do OK. "Progressive"? What's so "progressive" about promoting a Communist tyranny? They don't! Air America never was a very good operation Maybe ACORN should have run it. The Progressive format lives on regardless of Air America! There is no Progressive format. There is Progressive CONTENT. But Not a Progressive format. Progressive content in the US has existed since the US. What set Air America apart from the current, previous, and future content, is that they put politics before the sound business model. It's been demonstrated multiple times that progressive content may exist in a profitable business model. Air America's undoing is that they did not establish a working business model before they opened the doors. Had they done THAT, they would be in business, today. Several things they did that were their undoing, of which the most significant: They did not build their network based on a stable of broadcasters. Of their prime players, only Randi Rhodes was a broadcaster. And she was the only one who had made a commitment to Radio as a career. Al Franken, the anchor of the network, went on to say...on the air, no less...repeatedly that he had only signed a short term contract, and did not know how long he would be remaining in Radio. Radio audiences are based on longevity, and loyalty. Radio viablity is based in the ability of advertisers to be found to support the operation. That support requires a solid listener base to attract advertisers. And Franken made no secret that he was counting the days. A listener base will not form around a host who will not be there at the end of a short term contract. An advertiser base will not form without a listener base, nor a solid and stable operation. Franken was the Big Fish at AAR. He set a tone. He established a foundation. And his repeated comments about the temporary nature of his presence there prevented the formation of both listener and advertiser commitment at the outset. It also prevented his stablemates from making a commitment, as well. And Air America was doomed before it launched, as a result. By comparison, Rush, Hannity, Beck and their contemporaries are broadcasters first. They've made a commitment to both the medium and the listener. They understand that Radio IS after all a business. And they operate their shows as a business: Providing content FOR SALE. Advertisers can sign on with some confidence that there will be at least an attempt at stability. And though the content can be as raving and pedantic as AAR's, the business model is solid. It's also easier to sell Conservative Radio, because of the nature of Radio. But that's not to say that Progressive Radio can't be sold. It can. It's just not as easy. By contrast, NPR, and its similars, also have a working business model. They, too, provide content for sale. The difference is that NPR and its similars provide content for sale to local stations, and the stations raise funds to pay for it by asking for donations from their listener. Further operating funds are provided by corporate grants and donations, and grants from public foundations. But the business model is still sound. And the business model was in place BEFORE the launch of the content. Air America simply didn't do that. Progressive content has been around for centuries. It can, it does, and it will survive. Because it was, is, and will be, content offered FOR SALE. Air America forgot that simple element. And failed. Conservative Talk Radio is operated as RADIO: as a business first. It's content provided by broadcasters, who know and understand the Business of Radio, for sale. Air America's founders were not broadcasters. Air America's support staff and manglement were not broadcasters. Air America's talent were mostly not broadcasters. And without that understanding about how broadcasting works, they failed before they launched. The failure of Air America was the failure of Air America's business model. Run by broadcasters, as a business first, there may have been a different outcome.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Wow! You really don't get it, do you? Most listeners could not possibly give a rats ass about business models or any of your other corporate talk. What listeners want is something interesting. Something they can relate too. And you conveniently left out some facts, as you conservatives are want to do. Mike Malloy was doing progressive talk long before AAR. Pay attention, please. If you'll read what I actually wrote, I did acknowledge that progressive content predated AAR. And would live long after it. In fact, I led off with this. I know it's tough. There are no pictures, but please try. Thank you. Also, though the listeners may not care about he business model, it's the business model that keeps the content on the air. The most interesting content will not survive, if there isn't a business to pay the bills around it. AAR did many things wrong. Their failure was to believe that they could survive in a commercial environment, without a commercial business model. Once the bills weren't being paid, the content went away. Ed Shultz was a sportscaster before he became a political talker. Yes, and Rush Limbaugh was a top 40 disc jockey. So, what? |
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On 3/30/10 23:26 , MACK DADDY wrote:
On Mar 30, 1:19 am, "D. Peter wrote: On 3/29/10 20:59 , MACK DADDY wrote: On Mar 29, 12:37 pm, DEFCON wrote: On Mar 29, 1:54 pm, wrote: The Progressive Talk format continues to do OK. "Progressive"? What's so "progressive" about promoting a Communist tyranny? They don't! Air America never was a very good operation Maybe ACORN should have run it. The Progressive format lives on regardless of Air America! There is no Progressive format. There is Progressive CONTENT. But Not a Progressive format. Progressive content in the US has existed since the US. What set Air America apart from the current, previous, and future content, is that they put politics before the sound business model. It's been demonstrated multiple times that progressive content may exist in a profitable business model. Air America's undoing is that they did not establish a working business model before they opened the doors. Had they done THAT, they would be in business, today. Several things they did that were their undoing, of which the most significant: They did not build their network based on a stable of broadcasters. Of their prime players, only Randi Rhodes was a broadcaster. And she was the only one who had made a commitment to Radio as a career. Al Franken, the anchor of the network, went on to say...on the air, no less...repeatedly that he had only signed a short term contract, and did not know how long he would be remaining in Radio. Radio audiences are based on longevity, and loyalty. Radio viablity is based in the ability of advertisers to be found to support the operation. That support requires a solid listener base to attract advertisers. And Franken made no secret that he was counting the days. A listener base will not form around a host who will not be there at the end of a short term contract. An advertiser base will not form without a listener base, nor a solid and stable operation. Franken was the Big Fish at AAR. He set a tone. He established a foundation. And his repeated comments about the temporary nature of his presence there prevented the formation of both listener and advertiser commitment at the outset. It also prevented his stablemates from making a commitment, as well. And Air America was doomed before it launched, as a result. By comparison, Rush, Hannity, Beck and their contemporaries are broadcasters first. They've made a commitment to both the medium and the listener. They understand that Radio IS after all a business. And they operate their shows as a business: Providing content FOR SALE. Advertisers can sign on with some confidence that there will be at least an attempt at stability. And though the content can be as raving and pedantic as AAR's, the business model is solid. It's also easier to sell Conservative Radio, because of the nature of Radio. But that's not to say that Progressive Radio can't be sold. It can. It's just not as easy. By contrast, NPR, and its similars, also have a working business model. They, too, provide content for sale. The difference is that NPR and its similars provide content for sale to local stations, and the stations raise funds to pay for it by asking for donations from their listener. Further operating funds are provided by corporate grants and donations, and grants from public foundations. But the business model is still sound. And the business model was in place BEFORE the launch of the content. Air America simply didn't do that. Progressive content has been around for centuries. It can, it does, and it will survive. Because it was, is, and will be, content offered FOR SALE. Air America forgot that simple element. And failed. Conservative Talk Radio is operated as RADIO: as a business first. It's content provided by broadcasters, who know and understand the Business of Radio, for sale. Air America's founders were not broadcasters. Air America's support staff and manglement were not broadcasters. Air America's talent were mostly not broadcasters. And without that understanding about how broadcasting works, they failed before they launched. The failure of Air America was the failure of Air America's business model. Run by broadcasters, as a business first, there may have been a different outcome.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It is called Progressive Format BECAUSE it features Progressive Content! A format is a structure. Progressive talk is not a format. Talk is a format. News is a format. Progressive Talk is the same format as Conservative Talk...it's Talk. There is no Progressive format. |
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On Mar 30, 10:36*pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 3/30/10 23:26 , MACK DADDY wrote: On Mar 30, 1:19 am, "D. Peter *wrote: On 3/29/10 20:59 , MACK DADDY wrote: On Mar 29, 12:37 pm, DEFCON * *wrote: On Mar 29, 1:54 pm, * *wrote: The Progressive Talk format continues to do OK. "Progressive"? What's so "progressive" about promoting a Communist tyranny? They don't! * *Air America never was a very good operation Maybe ACORN should have run it. The Progressive format lives on regardless of Air America! * * There is no Progressive format. There is Progressive CONTENT. But Not a Progressive format. * * Progressive content in the US has existed since the US. What set Air America apart from the current, previous, and future content, is that they put politics before the sound business model. It's been demonstrated multiple times that progressive content may exist in a profitable business model. Air America's undoing is that they did not establish a working business model before they opened the doors. Had they done THAT, they would be in business, today. * * Several things they did that were their undoing, of which the most significant: They did not build their network based on a stable of broadcasters. Of their prime players, only Randi Rhodes was a broadcaster. And she was the only one who had made a commitment to Radio as a career. Al Franken, the anchor of the network, went on to say...on the air, no less...repeatedly that he had only signed a short term contract, and did not know how long he would be remaining in Radio. * * Radio audiences are based on longevity, and loyalty. Radio viablity is based in the ability of advertisers to be found to support the operation. That support requires a solid listener base to attract advertisers. And Franken made no secret that he was counting the days. A listener base will not form around a host who will not be there at the end of a short term contract. An advertiser base will not form without a listener base, nor a solid and stable operation. Franken was the Big Fish at AAR. He set a tone. He established a foundation. And his repeated comments about the temporary nature of his presence there prevented the formation of both listener and advertiser commitment at the outset. It also prevented his stablemates from making a commitment, as well. And Air America was doomed before it launched, as a result. * * By comparison, Rush, Hannity, Beck and their contemporaries are broadcasters first. They've made a commitment to both the medium and the listener. They understand that Radio IS after all a business. And they operate their shows as a business: Providing content FOR SALE. Advertisers can sign on with some confidence that there will be at least an attempt at stability. And though the content can be as raving and pedantic as AAR's, the business model is solid. * * It's also easier to sell Conservative Radio, because of the nature of Radio. But that's not to say that Progressive Radio can't be sold. It can. It's just not as easy. * * By contrast, NPR, and its similars, also have a working business model. *They, too, provide content for sale. The difference is that NPR and its similars provide content for sale to local stations, and the stations raise funds to pay for it by asking for donations from their listener. Further operating funds are provided by corporate grants and donations, and grants from public foundations. But the business model is still sound. And the business model was in place BEFORE the launch of the content. * * Air America simply didn't do that. * * Progressive content has been around for centuries. It can, it does, and it will survive. Because it was, is, and will be, content offered FOR SALE. Air America forgot that simple element. And failed. Conservative Talk Radio is operated as RADIO: as a business first. It's content provided by broadcasters, who know and understand the Business of Radio, for sale. Air America's founders were not broadcasters. Air America's support staff and manglement were not broadcasters. Air America's talent were mostly not broadcasters. And without that understanding about how broadcasting works, they failed before they launched. * * The failure of Air America was the failure of Air America's business model. Run by broadcasters, as a business first, there may have been a different outcome.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It is called Progressive Format BECAUSE it features Progressive Content! * *A format is a structure. Progressive talk is not a format. Talk is a format. News is a format. Progressive Talk is the same format as Conservative Talk...it's Talk. There is no Progressive format. Although this is technically correct, methinks thou undt thou schplit herrs... How's that for mixing metaphors? |
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On 3/31/10 01:16 , bpnjensen wrote:
On Mar 30, 10:36 pm, "D. Peter wrote: On 3/30/10 23:26 , MACK DADDY wrote: On Mar 30, 1:19 am, "D. Peter wrote: On 3/29/10 20:59 , MACK DADDY wrote: On Mar 29, 12:37 pm, DEFCON wrote: On Mar 29, 1:54 pm, wrote: The Progressive Talk format continues to do OK. "Progressive"? What's so "progressive" about promoting a Communist tyranny? They don't! Air America never was a very good operation Maybe ACORN should have run it. The Progressive format lives on regardless of Air America! There is no Progressive format. There is Progressive CONTENT. But Not a Progressive format. Progressive content in the US has existed since the US. What set Air America apart from the current, previous, and future content, is that they put politics before the sound business model. It's been demonstrated multiple times that progressive content may exist in a profitable business model. Air America's undoing is that they did not establish a working business model before they opened the doors. Had they done THAT, they would be in business, today. Several things they did that were their undoing, of which the most significant: They did not build their network based on a stable of broadcasters. Of their prime players, only Randi Rhodes was a broadcaster. And she was the only one who had made a commitment to Radio as a career. Al Franken, the anchor of the network, went on to say...on the air, no less...repeatedly that he had only signed a short term contract, and did not know how long he would be remaining in Radio. Radio audiences are based on longevity, and loyalty. Radio viablity is based in the ability of advertisers to be found to support the operation. That support requires a solid listener base to attract advertisers. And Franken made no secret that he was counting the days. A listener base will not form around a host who will not be there at the end of a short term contract. An advertiser base will not form without a listener base, nor a solid and stable operation. Franken was the Big Fish at AAR. He set a tone. He established a foundation. And his repeated comments about the temporary nature of his presence there prevented the formation of both listener and advertiser commitment at the outset. It also prevented his stablemates from making a commitment, as well. And Air America was doomed before it launched, as a result. By comparison, Rush, Hannity, Beck and their contemporaries are broadcasters first. They've made a commitment to both the medium and the listener. They understand that Radio IS after all a business. And they operate their shows as a business: Providing content FOR SALE. Advertisers can sign on with some confidence that there will be at least an attempt at stability. And though the content can be as raving and pedantic as AAR's, the business model is solid. It's also easier to sell Conservative Radio, because of the nature of Radio. But that's not to say that Progressive Radio can't be sold. It can. It's just not as easy. By contrast, NPR, and its similars, also have a working business model. They, too, provide content for sale. The difference is that NPR and its similars provide content for sale to local stations, and the stations raise funds to pay for it by asking for donations from their listener. Further operating funds are provided by corporate grants and donations, and grants from public foundations. But the business model is still sound. And the business model was in place BEFORE the launch of the content. Air America simply didn't do that. Progressive content has been around for centuries. It can, it does, and it will survive. Because it was, is, and will be, content offered FOR SALE. Air America forgot that simple element. And failed. Conservative Talk Radio is operated as RADIO: as a business first. It's content provided by broadcasters, who know and understand the Business of Radio, for sale. Air America's founders were not broadcasters. Air America's support staff and manglement were not broadcasters. Air America's talent were mostly not broadcasters. And without that understanding about how broadcasting works, they failed before they launched. The failure of Air America was the failure of Air America's business model. Run by broadcasters, as a business first, there may have been a different outcome.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It is called Progressive Format BECAUSE it features Progressive Content! A format is a structure. Progressive talk is not a format. Talk is a format. News is a format. Progressive Talk is the same format as Conservative Talk...it's Talk. There is no Progressive format. Although this is technically correct, methinks thou undt thou schplit herrs... Perhaps. The significance of the point, however, is that here is no difference as far as Broadcast is concerned between Progressive and Conservative talk. There is nothing fundamentally different in the operation of the radio station, except, perhaps revenues. And even that's not a certainty. The listener may care. The radio station does not, as long as the spots sell. And the original point of the conversation was the failure of AAR. Which basically went on the air with an agenda, but no way to pay the bills. That's not a format, either. How's that for mixing metaphors? You should be a bartender. |
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On Mar 30, 3:19*am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
* *There is no Progressive format. There is Progressive CONTENT. But Not a Progressive format. Progressive content in the US has existed since the US. ROTFLMAO!!! Yet another propaganda lie from a Leftist=Socialist=Communist="Progresssive". |
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On Mar 30, 10:34*pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 3/30/10 23:25 , MACK DADDY wrote: On Mar 30, 1:19 am, "D. Peter *wrote: On 3/29/10 20:59 , MACK DADDY wrote: On Mar 29, 12:37 pm, DEFCON * *wrote: On Mar 29, 1:54 pm, * *wrote: The Progressive Talk format continues to do OK. "Progressive"? What's so "progressive" about promoting a Communist tyranny? They don't! * *Air America never was a very good operation Maybe ACORN should have run it. The Progressive format lives on regardless of Air America! * * There is no Progressive format. There is Progressive CONTENT. But Not a Progressive format. * * Progressive content in the US has existed since the US. What set Air America apart from the current, previous, and future content, is that they put politics before the sound business model. It's been demonstrated multiple times that progressive content may exist in a profitable business model. Air America's undoing is that they did not establish a working business model before they opened the doors. Had they done THAT, they would be in business, today. * * Several things they did that were their undoing, of which the most significant: They did not build their network based on a stable of broadcasters. Of their prime players, only Randi Rhodes was a broadcaster. And she was the only one who had made a commitment to Radio as a career. Al Franken, the anchor of the network, went on to say...on the air, no less...repeatedly that he had only signed a short term contract, and did not know how long he would be remaining in Radio. * * Radio audiences are based on longevity, and loyalty. Radio viablity is based in the ability of advertisers to be found to support the operation. That support requires a solid listener base to attract advertisers. And Franken made no secret that he was counting the days. A listener base will not form around a host who will not be there at the end of a short term contract. An advertiser base will not form without a listener base, nor a solid and stable operation. Franken was the Big Fish at AAR. He set a tone. He established a foundation. And his repeated comments about the temporary nature of his presence there prevented the formation of both listener and advertiser commitment at the outset. It also prevented his stablemates from making a commitment, as well. And Air America was doomed before it launched, as a result. * * By comparison, Rush, Hannity, Beck and their contemporaries are broadcasters first. They've made a commitment to both the medium and the listener. They understand that Radio IS after all a business. And they operate their shows as a business: Providing content FOR SALE. Advertisers can sign on with some confidence that there will be at least an attempt at stability. And though the content can be as raving and pedantic as AAR's, the business model is solid. * * It's also easier to sell Conservative Radio, because of the nature of Radio. But that's not to say that Progressive Radio can't be sold. It can. It's just not as easy. * * By contrast, NPR, and its similars, also have a working business model. *They, too, provide content for sale. The difference is that NPR and its similars provide content for sale to local stations, and the stations raise funds to pay for it by asking for donations from their listener. Further operating funds are provided by corporate grants and donations, and grants from public foundations. But the business model is still sound. And the business model was in place BEFORE the launch of the content. * * Air America simply didn't do that. * * Progressive content has been around for centuries. It can, it does, and it will survive. Because it was, is, and will be, content offered FOR SALE. Air America forgot that simple element. And failed. Conservative Talk Radio is operated as RADIO: as a business first. It's content provided by broadcasters, who know and understand the Business of Radio, for sale. Air America's founders were not broadcasters. Air America's support staff and manglement were not broadcasters. Air America's talent were mostly not broadcasters. And without that understanding about how broadcasting works, they failed before they launched. * * The failure of Air America was the failure of Air America's business model. Run by broadcasters, as a business first, there may have been a different outcome.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Wow! *You really don't get it, do you? *Most listeners could not possibly give a rats ass about business models or any of your other corporate talk. What listeners want is something interesting. Something they can relate too. *And you conveniently left out some facts, as you conservatives are want to do. *Mike Malloy was doing progressive talk long before AAR. * *Pay attention, please. If you'll read what I actually wrote, I did acknowledge that progressive content predated AAR. And would live long after it. In fact, I led off with this. NO! What you led off with was saying there is no such thing as progressive format. * *I know it's tough. There are no pictures, but please try. Thank you. **** You! * *Also, though the listeners may not care about he business model, it's the business model that keeps the content on the air. The most interesting content will not survive, if there isn't a business to pay the bills around it. Blah Blah Blah! The whole problem is that Progressive ideas are shunned by all the huge multinational corporate executives. Conservatives totally kiss corporate ass. * *AAR did many things wrong. So does Fox! Their failure was to believe that they could survive in a commercial environment, without a commercial business model. Once the bills weren't being paid, the content went away. The content didn't go away. It's still there eh! *Ed Shultz was a sportscaster before he became a political talker. * *Yes, and Rush Limbaugh was a top 40 disc jockey. So, what? Just pointing out to your stupid ass that he had prior broadcasting experience, which you denied in your original post. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Mar 30, 10:36*pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 3/30/10 23:26 , MACK DADDY wrote: On Mar 30, 1:19 am, "D. Peter *wrote: On 3/29/10 20:59 , MACK DADDY wrote: On Mar 29, 12:37 pm, DEFCON * *wrote: On Mar 29, 1:54 pm, * *wrote: The Progressive Talk format continues to do OK. "Progressive"? What's so "progressive" about promoting a Communist tyranny? They don't! * *Air America never was a very good operation Maybe ACORN should have run it. The Progressive format lives on regardless of Air America! * * There is no Progressive format. There is Progressive CONTENT. But Not a Progressive format. * * Progressive content in the US has existed since the US. What set Air America apart from the current, previous, and future content, is that they put politics before the sound business model. It's been demonstrated multiple times that progressive content may exist in a profitable business model. Air America's undoing is that they did not establish a working business model before they opened the doors. Had they done THAT, they would be in business, today. * * Several things they did that were their undoing, of which the most significant: They did not build their network based on a stable of broadcasters. Of their prime players, only Randi Rhodes was a broadcaster. And she was the only one who had made a commitment to Radio as a career. Al Franken, the anchor of the network, went on to say...on the air, no less...repeatedly that he had only signed a short term contract, and did not know how long he would be remaining in Radio. * * Radio audiences are based on longevity, and loyalty. Radio viablity is based in the ability of advertisers to be found to support the operation. That support requires a solid listener base to attract advertisers. And Franken made no secret that he was counting the days. A listener base will not form around a host who will not be there at the end of a short term contract. An advertiser base will not form without a listener base, nor a solid and stable operation. Franken was the Big Fish at AAR. He set a tone. He established a foundation. And his repeated comments about the temporary nature of his presence there prevented the formation of both listener and advertiser commitment at the outset. It also prevented his stablemates from making a commitment, as well. And Air America was doomed before it launched, as a result. * * By comparison, Rush, Hannity, Beck and their contemporaries are broadcasters first. They've made a commitment to both the medium and the listener. They understand that Radio IS after all a business. And they operate their shows as a business: Providing content FOR SALE. Advertisers can sign on with some confidence that there will be at least an attempt at stability. And though the content can be as raving and pedantic as AAR's, the business model is solid. * * It's also easier to sell Conservative Radio, because of the nature of Radio. But that's not to say that Progressive Radio can't be sold. It can. It's just not as easy. * * By contrast, NPR, and its similars, also have a working business model. *They, too, provide content for sale. The difference is that NPR and its similars provide content for sale to local stations, and the stations raise funds to pay for it by asking for donations from their listener. Further operating funds are provided by corporate grants and donations, and grants from public foundations. But the business model is still sound. And the business model was in place BEFORE the launch of the content. * * Air America simply didn't do that. * * Progressive content has been around for centuries. It can, it does, and it will survive. Because it was, is, and will be, content offered FOR SALE. Air America forgot that simple element. And failed. Conservative Talk Radio is operated as RADIO: as a business first. It's content provided by broadcasters, who know and understand the Business of Radio, for sale. Air America's founders were not broadcasters. Air America's support staff and manglement were not broadcasters. Air America's talent were mostly not broadcasters. And without that understanding about how broadcasting works, they failed before they launched. * * The failure of Air America was the failure of Air America's business model. Run by broadcasters, as a business first, there may have been a different outcome.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It is called Progressive Format BECAUSE it features Progressive Content! * *A format is a structure. Progressive talk is not a format. Talk is a format. News is a format. Progressive Talk is the same format as Conservative Talk...it's Talk. There is no Progressive format.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's the stupidest thing anyone has ever posted here. You know damn well there are conservative formats and progressive formats. There is sports formats. Rock music formats, country formats, jazz formats, top 40 formats, r and b formats, etc. etc. |
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On Mar 31, 4:48Â*pm, ∅baMa∅ Tse Dung wrote:
On Mar 30, 3:19Â*am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote: Â* Â*There is no Progressive format. There is Progressive CONTENT. But Not a Progressive format. Progressive content in the US has existed since the US. ROTFLMAO!!! Yet another propaganda lie from a Leftist=Socialist=Communist="Progresssive". I think that was a conservative! |
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On 3/31/10 19:44 , MACK DADDY wrote:
On Mar 30, 10:34 pm, "D. Peter wrote: On 3/30/10 23:25 , MACK DADDY wrote: On Mar 30, 1:19 am, "D. Peter wrote: On 3/29/10 20:59 , MACK DADDY wrote: On Mar 29, 12:37 pm, DEFCON wrote: On Mar 29, 1:54 pm, wrote: The Progressive Talk format continues to do OK. "Progressive"? What's so "progressive" about promoting a Communist tyranny? They don't! Air America never was a very good operation Maybe ACORN should have run it. The Progressive format lives on regardless of Air America! There is no Progressive format. There is Progressive CONTENT. But Not a Progressive format. Progressive content in the US has existed since the US. What set Air America apart from the current, previous, and future content, is that they put politics before the sound business model. It's been demonstrated multiple times that progressive content may exist in a profitable business model. Air America's undoing is that they did not establish a working business model before they opened the doors. Had they done THAT, they would be in business, today. Several things they did that were their undoing, of which the most significant: They did not build their network based on a stable of broadcasters. Of their prime players, only Randi Rhodes was a broadcaster. And she was the only one who had made a commitment to Radio as a career. Al Franken, the anchor of the network, went on to say...on the air, no less...repeatedly that he had only signed a short term contract, and did not know how long he would be remaining in Radio. Radio audiences are based on longevity, and loyalty. Radio viablity is based in the ability of advertisers to be found to support the operation. That support requires a solid listener base to attract advertisers. And Franken made no secret that he was counting the days. A listener base will not form around a host who will not be there at the end of a short term contract. An advertiser base will not form without a listener base, nor a solid and stable operation. Franken was the Big Fish at AAR. He set a tone. He established a foundation. And his repeated comments about the temporary nature of his presence there prevented the formation of both listener and advertiser commitment at the outset. It also prevented his stablemates from making a commitment, as well. And Air America was doomed before it launched, as a result. By comparison, Rush, Hannity, Beck and their contemporaries are broadcasters first. They've made a commitment to both the medium and the listener. They understand that Radio IS after all a business. And they operate their shows as a business: Providing content FOR SALE. Advertisers can sign on with some confidence that there will be at least an attempt at stability. And though the content can be as raving and pedantic as AAR's, the business model is solid. It's also easier to sell Conservative Radio, because of the nature of Radio. But that's not to say that Progressive Radio can't be sold. It can. It's just not as easy. By contrast, NPR, and its similars, also have a working business model. They, too, provide content for sale. The difference is that NPR and its similars provide content for sale to local stations, and the stations raise funds to pay for it by asking for donations from their listener. Further operating funds are provided by corporate grants and donations, and grants from public foundations. But the business model is still sound. And the business model was in place BEFORE the launch of the content. Air America simply didn't do that. Progressive content has been around for centuries. It can, it does, and it will survive. Because it was, is, and will be, content offered FOR SALE. Air America forgot that simple element. And failed. Conservative Talk Radio is operated as RADIO: as a business first. It's content provided by broadcasters, who know and understand the Business of Radio, for sale. Air America's founders were not broadcasters. Air America's support staff and manglement were not broadcasters. Air America's talent were mostly not broadcasters. And without that understanding about how broadcasting works, they failed before they launched. The failure of Air America was the failure of Air America's business model. Run by broadcasters, as a business first, there may have been a different outcome.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Wow! You really don't get it, do you? Most listeners could not possibly give a rats ass about business models or any of your other corporate talk. What listeners want is something interesting. Something they can relate too. And you conveniently left out some facts, as you conservatives are want to do. Mike Malloy was doing progressive talk long before AAR. Pay attention, please. If you'll read what I actually wrote, I did acknowledge that progressive content predated AAR. And would live long after it. In fact, I led off with this. NO! What you led off with was saying there is no such thing as progressive format. LOL! Idiot. |
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On Mar 31, 5:44*pm, MACK DADDY wrote:
On Mar 30, 10:34*pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote: On 3/30/10 23:25 , MACK DADDY wrote: On Mar 30, 1:19 am, "D. Peter *wrote: On 3/29/10 20:59 , MACK DADDY wrote: On Mar 29, 12:37 pm, DEFCON * *wrote: On Mar 29, 1:54 pm, * *wrote: The Progressive Talk format continues to do OK. "Progressive"? What's so "progressive" about promoting a Communist tyranny? They don't! * *Air America never was a very good operation Maybe ACORN should have run it. The Progressive format lives on regardless of Air America! * * There is no Progressive format. There is Progressive CONTENT.. But Not a Progressive format. * * Progressive content in the US has existed since the US. What set Air America apart from the current, previous, and future content, is that they put politics before the sound business model. It's been demonstrated multiple times that progressive content may exist in a profitable business model. Air America's undoing is that they did not establish a working business model before they opened the doors. Had they done THAT, they would be in business, today. * * Several things they did that were their undoing, of which the most significant: They did not build their network based on a stable of broadcasters. Of their prime players, only Randi Rhodes was a broadcaster. And she was the only one who had made a commitment to Radio as a career. Al Franken, the anchor of the network, went on to say...on the air, no less...repeatedly that he had only signed a short term contract, and did not know how long he would be remaining in Radio. * * Radio audiences are based on longevity, and loyalty. Radio viablity is based in the ability of advertisers to be found to support the operation. That support requires a solid listener base to attract advertisers. And Franken made no secret that he was counting the days. A listener base will not form around a host who will not be there at the end of a short term contract. An advertiser base will not form without a listener base, nor a solid and stable operation. Franken was the Big Fish at AAR. He set a tone. He established a foundation. And his repeated comments about the temporary nature of his presence there prevented the formation of both listener and advertiser commitment at the outset. It also prevented his stablemates from making a commitment, as well. And Air America was doomed before it launched, as a result. * * By comparison, Rush, Hannity, Beck and their contemporaries are broadcasters first. They've made a commitment to both the medium and the listener. They understand that Radio IS after all a business. And they operate their shows as a business: Providing content FOR SALE. Advertisers can sign on with some confidence that there will be at least an attempt at stability. And though the content can be as raving and pedantic as AAR's, the business model is solid. * * It's also easier to sell Conservative Radio, because of the nature of Radio. But that's not to say that Progressive Radio can't be sold. It can. It's just not as easy. * * By contrast, NPR, and its similars, also have a working business model. *They, too, provide content for sale. The difference is that NPR and its similars provide content for sale to local stations, and the stations raise funds to pay for it by asking for donations from their listener. Further operating funds are provided by corporate grants and donations, and grants from public foundations. But the business model is still sound. And the business model was in place BEFORE the launch of the content. * * Air America simply didn't do that. * * Progressive content has been around for centuries. It can, it does, and it will survive. Because it was, is, and will be, content offered FOR SALE. Air America forgot that simple element. And failed. Conservative Talk Radio is operated as RADIO: as a business first. It's content provided by broadcasters, who know and understand the Business of Radio, for sale. Air America's founders were not broadcasters. Air America's support staff and manglement were not broadcasters. Air America's talent were mostly not broadcasters. And without that understanding about how broadcasting works, they failed before they launched. * * The failure of Air America was the failure of Air America's business model. Run by broadcasters, as a business first, there may have been a different outcome.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Wow! *You really don't get it, do you? *Most listeners could not possibly give a rats ass about business models or any of your other corporate talk. What listeners want is something interesting. Something they can relate too. *And you conveniently left out some facts, as you conservatives are want to do. *Mike Malloy was doing progressive talk long before AAR. * *Pay attention, please. If you'll read what I actually wrote, I did acknowledge that progressive content predated AAR. And would live long after it. In fact, I led off with this. NO! *What you led off with was saying there is no such thing as progressive format. * *I know it's tough. There are no pictures, but please try. Thank you. **** You! * *Also, though the listeners may not care about he business model, it's the business model that keeps the content on the air. The most interesting content will not survive, if there isn't a business to pay the bills around it. Blah Blah Blah! *The whole problem is that Progressive ideas are shunned by all the huge multinational corporate executives. Conservatives totally kiss corporate ass. * *AAR did many things wrong. So does Fox! Their failure was to believe that they could survive in a commercial environment, without a commercial business model. Once the bills weren't being paid, the content went away. *The content didn't go away. *It's still there eh! *Ed Shultz was a sportscaster before he became a political talker. * *Yes, and Rush Limbaugh was a top 40 disc jockey. So, what? Just pointing out to your stupid ass that he had prior broadcasting experience, which you denied in your original post. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Dude! Chill! |
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MACK DADDY wrote:
A format is a structure. Progressive talk is not a format. Talk is a format. News is a format. Progressive Talk is the same format as Conservative Talk...it's Talk. There is no Progressive format. That's the stupidest thing anyone has ever posted here. You know damn well there are conservative formats and progressive formats. There is sports formats. Rock music formats, country formats, jazz formats, top 40 formats, r and b formats, etc. etc. He isn't wrong. What he is saying is that we shouldn't confuse the bottle with the contents. The format is the bottle, or the method used to deliver the contents. A bottle doesn't much care what's in it. Neither does a radio format. A radio talk show format may be: a) Introduce guest (2 minutes) b) Let guest talk and introduce themselves (4 minutes) c) Take phone calls from the audience. d) etc. etc. What the guest talks about is completely isolated from the way or format in which it is delivered. mike -- __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / / / /\ \/ /\'Think tanks cleaned cheap' /\ \/ / /_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ Densa International© For the OTHER two percent. Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, I block all postings with a Gmail, Google Mail, Google Groups or Hotmail address. I also filter everything from a .cn server. For solutions which may work for you, please check: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/ |
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On Mar 29, 4:41*pm, dave wrote:
DEFCON 88 wrote: On Mar 29, 1:54 pm, dave wrote: The Progressive Talk format continues to do OK. "Progressive"? What's so "progressive" about promoting a Communist tyranny? *Air America never was a very good operation Maybe ACORN should have run it. You mad or something? *No one is promoting a "communist tyranny". *There are a lot of fascists running around; perhaps you're confused. Obama seems to appoint a lot of them to positions in his administration. |
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On Apr 1, 3:13*pm, znuybv wrote:
On Mar 29, 4:41*pm, dave wrote: DEFCON 88 wrote: On Mar 29, 1:54 pm, dave wrote: The Progressive Talk format continues to do OK. "Progressive"? What's so "progressive" about promoting a Communist tyranny? *Air America never was a very good operation Maybe ACORN should have run it. You mad or something? *No one is promoting a "communist tyranny". *There are a lot of fascists running around; perhaps you're confused. Obama seems to appoint a lot of them to positions in his administration. Can you define "fascist" please? With all the accusations and tomfoolery floating about, I'm not sure I know what one is anymore... |
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On Mar 29, 4:41*pm, dave wrote:
DEFCON 88 wrote: On Mar 29, 1:54 pm, dave wrote: The Progressive Talk format continues to do OK. "Progressive"? What's so "progressive" about promoting a Communist tyranny? *Air America never was a very good operation Maybe ACORN should have run it. You mad or something? *No one is promoting a "communist tyranny". *There are a lot of fascists running around; perhaps you're confused. .. blah, Blah. BLAH ! [ blame, Blame BLAME ! ] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIsYmKXStSA blah, Blah. BLAH Communist ! blah, Blah. BLAH Tyranny ! blah, Blah. BLAH Fascists ! blah, Blah. BLAH Air America ! blah, Blah. BLAH Hate Hate HATE ! |
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Can you define "fascist" please? With all the accusations and tomfoolery floating about, I'm not sure I know what one is anymore... Socialism: the government is business Fascism: Business is the government |
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Paul Gallo, on his Super Talk Mississippi radio talk show, was just now
talking to Reverend James Manning. http://www.supertalkms.com At least fifty two percent of America does not believe the Usurper needs to be re-elected. http://www.devilfinder.com Dave Daubenmire on fascism Hitlery B.tch Klintoon hates the Usurper B HO, because he has not showed her any respect at all! cuhulin |
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Joe from Kokomo wrote:
Can you define "fascist" please? With all the accusations and tomfoolery floating about, I'm not sure I know what one is anymore... Socialism: the government is business Fascism: Business is the government That reminds me of John Kenneth Galbraith, who said that "Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism the reverse is true." Seriously, though, the word fascism used to have a precise meaning, but that's been lost because the Republican and Democratic gangs started misusing the word as a pejorative term against each other. As I wrote in my article "Everybody’s a Fascist Now!" http://www.kevinalfredstrom.com/2009...a-fascist-now/ The pop-definition of “fascist” is roughly “big, bad, scary, and mean authoritarianism.” “Fascist” is used by the Democrat gang to refer to the Republicans and their often authoritarian views on (among other things) war, drugs, and sexuality — and by the Republican gang to refer to the Democrats and their often authoritarian views on (among other things) freedom of association, financial privacy, and taxation. It’s misused that way because both sides think they can make brownie points by scaring voters with the spectre of authoritarianism from the rival gang. With all good wishes, Kevin Alfred Strom. -- http://kevinalfredstrom.com/ |
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On Apr 2, 7:18*am, Kevin Alfred Strom
wrote: Joe from Kokomo wrote: Can you define "fascist" please? *With all the accusations and tomfoolery floating about, I'm not sure I know what one is anymore... Socialism: the government is business Fascism: Business is the government That reminds me of John Kenneth Galbraith, who said that "Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism the reverse is true." Seriously, though, the word fascism used to have a precise meaning, but that's been lost because the Republican and Democratic gangs started misusing the word as a pejorative term against each other. As I wrote in my article "Everybody’s a Fascist Now!" http://www.kevinalfredstrom.com/2009...a-fascist-now/ The pop-definition of “fascist” is roughly “big, bad, scary, and mean authoritarianism.” “Fascist” is used by the Democrat gang to refer to the Republicans and their often authoritarian views on (among other things) war, drugs, and sexuality — and by the Republican gang to refer to the Democrats and their often authoritarian views on (among other things) freedom of association, financial privacy, and taxation. It’s misused that way because both sides think they can make brownie points by scaring voters with the spectre of authoritarianism from the rival gang. With all good wishes, Kevin Alfred Strom. --http://kevinalfredstrom.com/ Excellent insights Kevin, and I think you are right - but there is still an original definition of the word "fascist" which Brenda has supplied, and it connotes a far worse political system than that wrought by either (or both) of the major U.S. parties of the 20th and 21st centuries. The word's misuse is really unfortunate; not only because it inaccurately and unfairly portrays either party or its adherents, but because it is designed to make the differences appear much larger than they, and to purposely avoid reaching common ground and working toward a common good, which the U.S. (and every nation, really) now so desperately needs. Bruce Jensen |
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On Apr 1, 5:52*pm, bpnjensen wrote:
You mad or something? *No one is promoting a "communist tyranny". *There are a lot of fascists running around; perhaps you're confused. Obama seems to appoint a lot of them to positions in his administration. Can you define "fascist" please? *With all the accusations and tomfoolery floating about, I'm not sure I know what one is anymore... Your are not sure becasue that is exactly what Leftist-"Progressive"- Socialist-Communist propaganda lies are meant to do - OBFUSCATE. Read the book by Jonah Goldberg: "Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Change" |
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On Apr 2, 9:34Â*am, ∅baMa∅ Tse Dung wrote:
On Apr 1, 5:52Â*pm, bpnjensen wrote: You mad or something? Â*No one is promoting a "communist tyranny". Â*There are a lot of fascists running around; perhaps you're confused. Obama seems to appoint a lot of them to positions in his administration. Can you define "fascist" please? Â*With all the accusations and tomfoolery floating about, I'm not sure I know what one is anymore... Your are not sure becasue that is exactly what Leftist-"Progressive"- Socialist-Communist propaganda lies are meant to do - OBFUSCATE. Read the book by Jonah Goldberg: "Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Change" I just KNEW we could depend on you for a direct, accurate, pointed, unbiased, objective answer! :-D |
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∅baMa∅ Tse Dung wrote:
Read the book by Jonah Goldberg: "Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Change" Jonah Goldberg is a tool. |
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((UFOs!))
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=286878 Anybody has to be really Nutzo to believe there are space aliens from other Planets visiting Planet Earth.If 'they' are out there, we will never see them. I reckon Art ''Ohhhhh, my gawwwwd '' Bell and George ''Afraid of Ouija boards'' Noory believe in that Phony Baloney Nonsense. There was a Radar technician guy in New Mexico, sometimes he would get board.He would fiddle with something and cause zig zags to be zigging and zagging around on the Radar screens. ((UFOs!)) When I went to Forest Hill school, I knew a guy whos name was Roger Radar. cuhulin, ((UFOs!)) |
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On Apr 3, 7:19*am, wrote:
((UFOs!))http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=286878 Anybody has to be really Nutzo to believe there are space aliens from other Planets visiting Planet Earth.If 'they' are out there, we will never see them. I reckon Art ''Ohhhhh, my gawwwwd '' Bell and George ''Afraid of Ouija boards'' Noory believe in that Phony Baloney Nonsense. There was a Radar technician guy in New Mexico, sometimes he would get board.He would fiddle with something and cause zig zags to be zigging and zagging around on the Radar screens. ((UFOs!)) When I went to Forest Hill school, I knew a guy whos name was Roger Radar. cuhulin, ((UFOs!)) * I am pretty sure Art Bell does not believe that stuff. He does a good bluff, though, and it has always kept his listeners entertained. IOW, he's a fine showman in the grand tradition of P. T. Barnum. Whenever Art Bell had a REAL scientist on, one could always tell that Art's real interest level would ratchet up a notch or two. Bruce |
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Tookin me ahh leetle cig and oilso ahh leetle coffee baraque.
Sometimes the Babe in the Bunker (Barbara Simpson) would be hosting the C to C show.It was very easy to tell she doesn't believe in that Phony Baloney Bull Sh.t either.She has a lot of Good Horse Sense, she has. cuhulin |
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