Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
dave wrote:
wrote:
Was Timothy McVeigh set up to be a patsy? Metinks so!

There are hours of tapes of Mr. McVeigh bragging about the deed.


One does not preclude the other.

McVeigh may have been followed, encouraged, guided, and then taken
advantage of -- with extra explosives as "insurance," as the efficacy
of a truck bomb some considerable distance from the building was
naturally doubted by the experts involved.

ANFO has occasionally been used in terrorist bombings. First used in
1970 by student protesters at the University of Wisconsin–Madison, who
learned how to make and use ANFO from a Wisconsin Conservation
Department booklet entitled Pothole Blasting for Wildlife,[2][5] the
ANFO car bomb was soon adopted by the IRA, such as in the 1993
Bishopsgate bombing. It has also seen use by groups such as the FARC,
ETA, and various terrorists when they first tried to destroy the World
Trade Center in 1993. A more sophisticated variant of ANFO (with
nitromethane ammonium nitrate as the fuel called ANNM) was used in the
more successful 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. Improvised bombs made with
agricultural-grade AN are less sensitive and less efficient than the
explosive-grade variety.

In November 2009, a ban on ammonium sulfate, ammonium nitrate and
calcium ammonium nitrate fertilizers was imposed in the Malakand
Division - comprising the Dir, Swat, Chitral and Malakand districts of
the North West Frontier Province (NWFP) of Pakistan, by the NWFP
government, following reports that those chemicals were used by
militants to make explosives.

In April 2010, police in Greece confiscated 180 kilograms of ANFO and
other related material stashed in a hideaway in the Athens suburb of
Kareas. The material was believed to be linked to attacks previously
carried out by the "Revolutionary Struggle" terrorist group

In January 2010, President Karzai from Afghanistan also issued a decree
banning the use, production, storage, purchase or sale of ammonium
nitrate, after an investigation showed that militants in the Taliban
insurgency had used the substance in bomb attacks [6] [7] [8].

wikipedia

On Apr 29, 1:20*pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
dave wrote:

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ANFO has occasionally been used in terrorist bombings. First used in
1970 by student protesters

~~~

Thus the use of it in a false flag action
to lend credence to the suggestion of home grown?
...and of course McVeigh was a perfect patsy with his outward affectations of
stoic patriotism barely disguising his esteem issue need for self justification.

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

OOOH - has a nice touchy-feeley pop-psych aura to it :-D

Bob Dobbs wrote:
dave wrote:

~~~

ANFO has occasionally been used in terrorist bombings. First used in
1970 by student protesters

~~~

Thus the use of it in a false flag action
to lend credence to the suggestion of home grown?
...and of course McVeigh was a perfect patsy with his outward affectations of
stoic patriotism barely disguising his esteem issue need for self justification.


So why was it not followed by some radical action? Like when Bush used
9-11 to get a bunch of oppressive laws passed under the cynical title
"Patriot Act". Clinton wasted a false flag operation?

dave wrote:
Bob Dobbs wrote:
dave wrote:

~~~

ANFO has occasionally been used in terrorist bombings. First used in
1970 by student protesters

~~~

Thus the use of it in a false flag action
to lend credence to the suggestion of home grown?
...and of course McVeigh was a perfect patsy with his outward
affectations of
stoic patriotism barely disguising his esteem issue need for self
justification.


So why was it not followed by some radical action? Like when Bush used
9-11 to get a bunch of oppressive laws passed under the cynical title
"Patriot Act". Clinton wasted a false flag operation?


Dave, you're simply wrong. The operation was most certainly not
wasted. Within days of the Oklahoma City bombing, unconstitutional
legislation giving power to the police state and taking away our
freedoms was already in the works.

As I reported in April 1995 on my radio program:

'The Associated Press reported yesterday "Several Senate Judiciary
Committee members joined in the call for more legislation to combat
terrorism amid reports that domestic terrorists in recent years have
become capable of disseminating information via the Internet on how
to make powerful explosives." Now who do you think generated those
"reports?" Is there even the slightest shred of evidence to support
the idea that those who set the bomb in Oklahoma City used the
Internet? Those who want to take away our freedom of speech are
using our grief to get us to give up our freedom. Details about
explosives are available in every large library. Should we censor
our libraries? U.S. Army field manuals, printed and sold by the U.S.
Government Printing Office, give the same information. Someone is
lying to you, my friend.'

And, also in April 1995, I reported:

'The _Washington Post_ reported yesterday, "Ronald K. Noble,
undersecretary of treasury for enforcement... told [a Congressional]
panel that the annual toll of bombings in the United States has more
than tripled in the past decade, reaching a high in 1993 with 49
deaths and 1,323 injured. And there are believed to be several
hundred `violent white supremacist groups' in the country, along
with a milita movement in at least 34 states that is `virulently
anti-gun control and anti-federal government,' he said." Lies, lies,
lies. Notice the tie-in between over 1,000 bombing victims and
"White supremacists" and militias, which Mr. Noble suggests but does
not explicitly state. He does not explicitly state it because no
link exists -- not a single one of those people was killed by a
militia member or a so-called "White supremacist" group. Someone is
lying to you, my friend.

'And what do the liars want? According to wire service reports,
President Clinton has called for: money to hire 1,000 new agents, a
wider range of electronic surveillance, stiffer penalties, relaxed
standards for allowing infiltration and informers, increased ability
to trace phone calls and check credit card and other records and use
of the military in domestic cases. Use of the military against
American citizens -- that has got to be the final straw. In Waco
they insisted that U.S. Army insignia be removed from the equipment
before it was to be used, but perhaps in future that will no longer
be necessary. As in the Soviet Union, the people may become inured
to the use of the Army against citizens.'

Also from the same broadcast, April 1995:

'They are pushing for their so-called "Anti-Terrorism Bill." They
want more black-helmeted goons working for nameless agencies most of
us haven't even heard about, armed with automatic weapons which we
are not allowed to have, with the legally-sanctioned power to attack
and possibly kill Americans that criminals like Janet Reno or Bill
Clinton or their hidden masters merely _suspect_ of lawbreaking.
They want the power to unilaterally declare, without trial, that
certain groups are "terrorist" and criminalize Americans who donate
to them. They want to subject patriotic, loyal Americans to the most
advanced spying, wiretapping, and surveillance apparatus that has
ever been known. They want _carte blanche_ to infiltrate _agents
provocateurs_ into groups they merely _suspect_ of lawbreaking.'


With every good wish,


Kevin, WB4AIO.
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http://kevinalfredstrom.com/