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The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
Anyone waving a placard or voicing dissent against the Obama
administration dare not protest too loudly. President Bill Clinton has reignited the incendiary rhetoric of April 19, 1995. He effectively sealed his second White House bid in 1996 by blaming conservative talk radio for inciting the heartland bomber Timothy McVeigh. Now, fifteen years later, the Democratic playbook promises to claim far more victims. Only this time, hardworking Americans stand in the crosshairs. In a recent CNN interview, the former commander-in-chief sounded a battle cry to the political left, press and pundits alike: Vilify the Tea Party, deeming its membership capable of the violent rampage of the Oklahoma City bomber. This stigma imperils the most influential grassroots movement in modern history. Nothing threatens to muzzle free speech more than being stereotyped a "Tim McVeigh wanna-be." For me, this political correctness run amok triggers déjà vu. The smear campaign represents an instant replay of the backlash that I endured as a TV news reporter on the trail of the infamous John Doe 2. I was branded a "racist" for pursuing leads that illustrated how Iraqi intelligence agents, soldiers who served in Saddam Hussein's army during the 1991 Persian Gulf War, infiltrated the United States in order to recruit and assist Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols in executing the worst act of terror in 20th-century America. What I discovered shatters the Tim McVeigh mold as an "angry white male" who vented his hostility through published letters to newspaper editors -- and soon thereafter, crossed the threshold from peaceful discontent to wholesale mass murder. Instead, copiously researched evidence, as outlined in my book The Third Terrorist: The Middle East Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing, exposes McVeigh as the ultimate traitor, acting in collusion with al-Qaeda terrorists and hostile foreign governments such as Iran and Iraq. The decorated Bradley gunner openly expressed to an Army buddy during Operation Desert Storm that he "wanted to become a mercenary for the Middle East because they paid the most." Upon returning from the Persian Gulf War, he failed the cut for the elite Special Forces. The combat hero suffered a blow to the ego from which he would never recover. The lanky, awkward teenager from upstate New York had joined the military to shake the childhood stigmas of ordinariness and anonymity. Beneath his clean-cut persona, he harbored a warped sense of empathy for Osama bin Laden, the first World Trade Center mastermind Ramzi Yousef, and Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. During his incarceration, McVeigh penned personal essays unveiling his deep-seated sympathies for Middle Eastern terrorists that fueled his anti-government zealotry. He unabashedly expressed regret for the killing two Iraqi enemy combatants, for which he earned the Bronze Star. Jailhouse interviews recently broadcasted by MSNBC confirm McVeigh's obsessive need for notoriety. Shortly before his 2001 execution, he granted unlimited access to two authors of his biography in order to dictate how history would portray his role as the Oklahoma City "super bomber." McVeigh lauded himself as an emotionless executioner, an ingenious mastermind, and the author of his own fate. Demented pride impelled the American terrorist to fire off letters to the press following my appearances on cable news programs. His ire inflamed as I announced to a nationwide audience that Osama bin Laden, Iraq, and Iran sponsored the Oklahoma City operation. My investigation demeaned the Army sergeant's status and relegated his role to that of a mule, or rather, a button-pusher. In the lexicon of the intelligence community, Timothy McVeigh was nothing more than a "lily-white" delivery boy -- someone who had no ostensible ties to a Middle Eastern terrorist organizations, and thereby could operate below the law enforcement radar screen. He was a handpicked dupe, set up to take the fall in order to save his Islamic collaborators from prosecution. Bill Clinton's FBI ensured just that. The Bureau failed miserably in its prodigious quest to find McVeigh's legendary accomplice, John Doe 2. It soon became evident that federal agents conducted a myopic manhunt bent on collaring a "homegrown" third terrorist of Caucasian, not foreign, descent. In early 1996, the Bureau conducted an unprecedented investigation in a herculean effort to connect a religious compound of white separatists and a band of Aryan Republican Army bank robbers to the Oklahoma City bombers. After all, they were cut from the same cloth as Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. These right-wing extremists indubitably fit the profile of the angry white men who would avenge their hatred of the establishment by destroying a federal complex. After conducting twenty-five thousand witness interviews, the FBI could not find one witness who tied the neo-Nazi suspects to downtown Oklahoma City, Timothy McVeigh, the Ryder truck, getaway vehicles, or the bombsite. All had irrefutable alibis. In short, the FBI failed to produce one eyewitness account, fingerprint, motel registration log, or phone record linking these alleged conspirators to the commission of the crime. The judge who presided over Terry Nichols' 2004 state murder trial ruled the Bureau's pursuit of additional domestic terrorists amounted to nothing more than "hyperbole and a dry hole." The FBI compliantly accepted the court's rebuke rather than take receipt of my voluminous dossier indicting Iraqi soldiers in the crime. In 1997, when I attempted to surrender the witness statements and corroborative evidence, the FBI flatly refused to take it. But I persisted, and in 1999, FBI Agent Dan Vogel accepted the witness affidavits and investigative file. From there, the documents simply vanished. To this day, the FBI has failed to investigate the multiple sightings of Iraqi Republican Guardsman Hussain Al-Hussaini in the presence of Timothy McVeigh prior to the bombing, exiting the bomb-laden Ryder truck the morning of April 19, and escaping the ill-fated Murrah Building in a getaway vehicle pursued by the FBI in an all-points- bulletin issued for Middle Eastern terrorists. More significantly, two federal court rulings establish that this Iraqi soldier has no provable alibi for the morning of the bombing. The FBI never questioned Hussain Al-Hussaini and has refused repeated requests from Congress and the press to clear him officially of complicity in the Murrah Building bombing. Why? It is my firm belief that Bill Clinton and Janet Reno should be called upon to answer that question. Meanwhile, the Democrats will continue to spin the fictional portrait of McVeigh to the party's advantage. Undoubtedly, Tim McVeigh espoused hate. He advocated civil disobedience. He called for armed resistance to punish a republic he no longer trusted to protect the liberty of its citizenry. But by no means does his crime symbolize anything other than the maniacal act of an unstable individual living on the fringe of society. For Bill Clinton to draw a comparison between a bloodthirsty terrorist and Tea Party conservatives, many of whom are senior citizens on walkers, is nothing short of a national outrage. However, those threatened by the mounting ranks of dissatisfied voters will continue to stoke the flames of demagoguery. McVeigh was a soldier of fortune -- a far cry from the peaceful citizens of the Tea Party. Yet until the evidence embodied in The Third Terrorist is prosecuted and validated in a courtroom setting, Americans who hold their elected leaders to account will continue to bear the onus of "Tim McVeigh wanna-bes." The historical record, as written by the Clinton Department of Justice, leaves the door open to malign protestors as latent terrorists just awaiting the impetus to act. This insidious distortion of truth demands redress. The time has arrived to exorcise the ghosts of Oklahoma City and bring to account the Arab terrorists who butchered innocent Americans and the officials who suppressed the evidence of their guilt. http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/...y_mcveigh.html How the Left Undermined America's Security Before 9/11 http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/i....asp?indid=644 |
The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
Oh Blame Some Olde Dung regurgitated the usual:
Anyone waving a placard or voicing dissent against the Obama administration dare not protest too loudly This, from a poster who is quoting an article written by Jayna Davis for the so-called "conservative" American Thinker web-site.. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...erican_Thinker --And one should doubt the veracity of Ms. Davis' claims.. |
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The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
On Apr 24, 1:02Â*pm, ∅baMa∅ Tse Dung wrote:
Anyone waving a placard or voicing dissent against the Obama administration dare not protest too loudly. President Bill Clinton has reignited the incendiary rhetoric of April 19, 1995. Hahahahahaha! You people are a helluva hoot. Clinton incendiary??? When you have Limbaugh, Coulter, Savage, Morris, Hannity, O'Reilley, Beck -- the whole bloody menagerie is YOURS!!! Stop it! Yer killin' me! Hahahahahaha! Moron. |
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Wexford wrote:
On Apr 24, 1:02 pm, ∅baMa∅ Tse Dung wrote: Anyone waving a placard or voicing dissent against the Obama administration dare not protest too loudly. President Bill Clinton has reignited the incendiary rhetoric of April 19, 1995. Hahahahahaha! You people are a helluva hoot. Clinton incendiary??? When you have Limbaugh, Coulter, Savage, Morris, Hannity, O'Reilley, Beck -- the whole bloody menagerie is YOURS!!! Stop it! Yer killin' me! Hahahahahaha! Moron. -------------- Do you think that a President that ordered the mass murder of children in Waco, Texas isn't incendiary? It was incendiary for Timothy McVeigh, was it not? You think a Coulter or a Hannity would illicit the same response that Clinton caused by his actions on that fateful day. Bill Clinton has yet to be tried for that crime, and history will show that America failed itself in those dark days. |
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WE STRONGLY URGE ALL RACIST OBAMA-HATERS TO HIE THEMSELVES TO OTHER
NATIONS IF THE USA LACKS WHAT THEY WANT ... Suggested Nations: AFGHANISTAN http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...042301770.html IRAQ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...042301118.html ----------- THAILAND Protesters signal openness to talks Thai protesters offered Friday to end their demonstrations if Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva holds an election in three months, easing tensions in a six-week standoff that has killed 26 people and paralyzed Bangkok. "We regret the loss of life and hope such incidents won't happen again," protest leader Veera Musikapong told supporters Friday. "We're willing to open a new round of negotiations under new conditions." At least five grenades exploded Thursday on a major business artery. Talks last month collapsed after Abhisit rejected demands to dissolve parliament immediately, offering instead to call an election by year's end. -- Bloomberg News ---------- PAKISTAN 8 Pakistani troops killed in ambush: Militants ambushed a Pakistani army convoy traveling in North Waziristan, a tribal region that is home to insurgent groups engaged in the war in neighboring Afghanistan, killing eight soldiers. The attack could add to U.S.-led pressure on Islamabad to launch an offensive in the region. -- From news services http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...305039_pf.html |
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On 4/24/2010 4:54 PM, Cicero Venatio wrote:
Bill Clinton has yet to be tried for that crime [Waco], and history will show that America failed itself in those dark days. Maybe they will try Clinton for that as soon as they try Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz for lying us into two fake wars. History will show that Bush et al failed America in those dark days. I understand your feelings for the scores killed at Waco. Now if only you could work up some sympathy for the *thousands* of American troops and *tens of thousands* of civilians maimed and killed by W's folly. |
The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
Maybe they will try Clinton for that as soon as they try Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz for lying us into two fake wars. History will show that Bush et al failed America in those dark days. I understand your feelings for the scores killed at Waco. Now if only you could work up some sympathy for the *thousands* of American troops and *tens of thousands* of civilians maimed and killed by W's folly. ------------- Bush fought for oil, Clinton executed the Davidians simply because they absolutely refused to kneel before him. |
About the Propaganda and Lies of Right-Wing Fascist Quislings (was:The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History)
Oh Blame Some Olde Dung deleted and retreated from:
Man of Mind restored the text/context that refuted: Oh Blame Some Olde Dung regurgitated the usual: Anyone waving a placard or voicing dissent against the Obama administration dare not protest too loudly This, from a poster who is quoting an article written by Jayna Davis for the so-called "conservative" American Thinker web-site.. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...erican_Thinker "American Thinker (AT) is a conservative daily internet publication. According to it website, American Thinker presents a "thoughtful exploration of issues of importance to Americans." /aside/Sure it does.. "There is ample evidence to support the notion that AT serves as part of the right wing's echo chamber. /aside follows/ right-wing echo chamber, noise machine http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Echo_chamber "In the United States, the Republican Party uses a network of conservative foundations, coordinated by the Philanthropy Roundtable, and described in an extensive report (March 2004) by Jerry M. Landay for Mediatransparency.org, supporting conservative think tanks, industry-friendly experts and subsidized conservative media that systematically spread their messages throughout the political and media establishment." Example of such follows, from.. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...erican_Thinker "A good example of this can be found in a December 5th, 2007 piece on the National Intelligence Estimate report on the state of Iran's Nuclear weapon's program. Writer Ed Lasky first refers to an Editorial in the New York Sun inferring that the intelligence community is against President Bush. Footnote #2 http://www.nysun.com/editorials/van-...emarche/67479/ "Lasky concludes that "the National Intelligence Estimate was cooked up by bureaucrats eager to embarrass George Bush and transform US policy towards Iran." To substantiate his argument he goes on to quote an editorial from the Wall Street Journal- Footnote #3 http://www.opinionjournal.com/editor...l?id=110010946 -which avers the authors of the NIE study a "former State Department officials with previous reputations that should lead one to doubt their conclusions. All three are ex-bureaucrats who, as is generally true of State Department types, favor endless rounds of negotiation and "diplomacy" and oppose confrontation. These three officials, according to the Wall Street Journal, have 'reputations as hyper-partisan anti-Bush officials'." This statement "Hyper-partisan anti-Bush officials", restated as fact in the AT article, is quoted and requoted by rightwing blogs and news sources throughout the media. Footnote #4 http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblog..._aboutface.asp Footnote #5 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...d=opinionsbox1 Footnote #6 http://texasholdemblogger.wordpress.com/ Ultimately this type of statement winds up being echoed by mainstream pundits such as Rush Limbaugh.[7] --And one should doubt the veracity of Ms. Davis' claims.. What is SourceWatch? http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...rceWatch:About "The Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) publishes SourceWatch, this collaborative, specialized encyclopedia of the people, organizations, and issues shaping the public agenda. SourceWatch profiles the activities of front groups, PR spinners, industry- friendly experts, industry-funded organizations, and think tanks trying to manipulate public opinion on behalf of corporations or government. We also highlight key public policies they are trying to affect and provide ways to get involved." --See subject header for details, cheesehead.. |
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The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
Maybe they will try Clinton for that as soon as they try Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz for lying us into two fake wars. History will show that Bush et al failed America in those dark days. I understand your feelings for the scores killed at Waco. Now if only you could work up some sympathy for the *thousands* of American troops and *tens of thousands* of civilians maimed and killed by W's folly. On 4/24/2010 6:51 PM, Cicero Venatio wrote: Bush fought for oil, Clinton executed the Davidians simply because they absolutely refused to kneel before him. Bush fought for oil??? You may be right, that -may- have been the real reason, but as far as I know, that was NEVER publicly admitted to by the Bush administration -- essentially the American public was lied into two phony wars (that we are STILL paying the price for). Anyway, even if Bush did do it "for oil", are you implying that Bush gets a free pass to kill thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of innocent civilians just because it was "for oil"? Does oil justify that? ...absolutely refused to kneel before him. Well, I'm not sure about that. It may have had more to do with the Davidians having illegal weapons. The fire appeared to be accidental/unintentional. I don't think the ATF or Bill Clinton overtly planned on having a fire. The government probably would have been perfectly happy if the Davidians honored the ATF legal search warrant. Finally, let's be pragmatic... Yes, the 86 bogus Waco deaths were sad, even though accidental and not specifically planned. However, Bush DID overtly plan the two bogus wars. 86 accidental deaths versus tens of thousands of deaths that we the people were lied into. So, you tell me, who is the bigger criminal, Clinton or Bush? If you think Clinton should be tried for those 86 deaths, well, fair enough. But then I'm contending that Bush should be tried for the tens of thousands of deaths he lied us into. |
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Bush fought for oil, Clinton executed the Davidians simply because they absolutely refused to kneel before him. Bush fought for oil??? You may be right, that -may- have been the real reason, but as far as I know, that was NEVER publicly admitted to by the Bush administration -- essentially the American public was lied into two phony wars (that we are STILL paying the price for). Anyway, even if Bush did do it "for oil", are you implying that Bush gets a free pass to kill thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of innocent civilians just because it was "for oil"? Does oil justify that? ...absolutely refused to kneel before him. Well, I'm not sure about that. It may have had more to do with the Davidians having illegal weapons. The fire appeared to be accidental/unintentional. I don't think the ATF or Bill Clinton overtly planned on having a fire. The government probably would have been perfectly happy if the Davidians honored the ATF legal search warrant. Finally, let's be pragmatic... Yes, the 86 bogus Waco deaths were sad, even though accidental and not specifically planned. However, Bush DID overtly plan the two bogus wars. 86 accidental deaths versus tens of thousands of deaths that we the people were lied into. So, you tell me, who is the bigger criminal, Clinton or Bush? If you think Clinton should be tried for those 86 deaths, well, fair enough. But then I'm contending that Bush should be tried for the tens of thousands of deaths he lied us into. --------------- Men have been warring over scarce natural resources, ever since the caveman learned how to use a club. Sounds like you're trying to reverse 50,000 years of history. Bush fought for oil, so you can cart your lazy ass in a 2000 pound metal box to the liquor store on a Saturday night. Maybe if you learned to ride a bicycle, or walk, Bush wouldn't have had to fight for your slacker ass. Clinton's crime had nothing to do with acquiring scare resources for a slacker populace, but it had everything to do with tyranny, and that's what is criminal. |
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The democraps and libturds,,, they are Anti-America!
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Cicero Venatio wrote:
------------- Bush fought for oil, Clinton executed the Davidians simply because they absolutely refused to kneel before him. That's a little nutso. I doubt Clinton gave a **** one way or the other. The Army was wrong to blink first. It's amazing how a handful of gun nuts, women and kids could hold the mighty USA at bay for a month. They could've just set up a controlled perimeter and waited them out. |
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Joe from Kokomo wrote:
Bush fought for oil??? You may be right, that -may- have been the real reason, but as far as I know, that was NEVER publicly admitted to by the Bush administration -- essentially the American public was lied into two phony wars (that we are STILL paying the price for). Everything since the Great Depression has been about oil. |
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Cicero Venatio wrote:
--------------- Men have been warring over scarce natural resources, ever since the caveman learned how to use a club. Sounds like you're trying to reverse 50,000 years of history. Don't lump the last 8,000 failed years in with the rest of human history. Civilization? My ass! |
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"Joe from Kokomo" wrote in message ... Maybe they will try Clinton for that as soon as they try Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz for lying us into two fake wars. History will show that Bush et al failed America in those dark days. I understand your feelings for the scores killed at Waco. Now if only you could work up some sympathy for the *thousands* of American troops and *tens of thousands* of civilians maimed and killed by W's folly. On 4/24/2010 6:51 PM, Cicero Venatio wrote: Bush fought for oil, Clinton executed the Davidians simply because they absolutely refused to kneel before him. Bush fought for oil??? You may be right, that -may- have been the real reason, but as far as I know, that was NEVER publicly admitted to by the Bush administration -- essentially the American public was lied into two phony wars (that we are STILL paying the price for). Anyway, even if Bush did do it "for oil", are you implying that Bush gets a free pass to kill thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of innocent civilians just because it was "for oil"? Does oil justify that? ...absolutely refused to kneel before him. Well, I'm not sure about that. It may have had more to do with the Davidians having illegal weapons. The fire appeared to be accidental/unintentional. I don't think the ATF or Bill Clinton overtly planned on having a fire. The government probably would have been perfectly happy if the Davidians honored the ATF legal search warrant. Finally, let's be pragmatic... Yes, the 86 bogus Waco deaths were sad, even though accidental and not specifically planned. However, Bush DID overtly plan the two bogus wars. 86 accidental deaths versus tens of thousands of deaths that we the people were lied into. So, you tell me, who is the bigger criminal, Clinton or Bush? If you think Clinton should be tried for those 86 deaths, well, fair enough. But then I'm contending that Bush should be tried for the tens of thousands of deaths he lied us into. Good post. |
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Let the Riots Begin! They already have.
http://www.devilfinder.com Photos of lawn mower oil drain plug That B HO ButtKisser thinks he is a World Authority, a Super Chief expert on everything.But, he was too Stupid to look for that oil drain plug.He pushed his $65.00 pawn shop lawn mower to my sidewalk, (last year) he rattled my front screen door, he said,,, Show me where that oil drain plug is! It was right there, I showed it to him.There was a light bit of dirt had it covered up. Show me where that oil drain plug is! cuhulin |
The Lawnmower Party
Some lawn mowers don't have an oil drain plug.To change the oil in
those, you have to suck it out with a vacuum pump or turn the lawn mower upside down.It naturally makes more sense to have an oil drain plug on the bottom.I won't ever buy a lawn mower that doesn't have an oil drain plug on the bottom.Next time you go lawn mower shopping be sure it has an oil drain plug on the bottom. cuhulin |
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On 4/26/2010 8:40 AM, dave wrote:
wrote: Let the Riots Begin! They already have. http://www.devilfinder.com Photos of lawn mower oil drain plug That B HO ButtKisser thinks he is a World Authority, a Super Chief expert on everything.But, he was too Stupid to look for that oil drain plug.He pushed his $65.00 pawn shop lawn mower to my sidewalk, (last year) he rattled my front screen door, he said,,, Show me where that oil drain plug is! It was right there, I showed it to him.There was a light bit of dirt had it covered up. Show me where that oil drain plug is! cuhulin Logic dictates that the drain be at the lowest point in the motor proper. Lawnmower Party? Will they have failin-palin speak at their next get together? Or, was this Ricky Nelson's last song? Sure is good to be home. Drifter... |
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The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
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dave wrote: Cicero Venatio wrote: ------------- Bush fought for oil, Clinton executed the Davidians simply because they absolutely refused to kneel before him. That's a little nutso. I doubt Clinton gave a **** one way or the other. The Army was wrong to blink first. It's amazing how a handful of gun nuts, women and kids could hold the mighty USA at bay for a month. They could've just set up a controlled perimeter and waited them out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege Prelude On July 30, 1992, ATF agents David Aguilera and Skinner visited the Davidian's gun dealer Henry McMahon, who tried to get them to talk with Koresh on the phone. Koresh offered to let ATF inspect the Davidians' weapons and paperwork and asked to speak with Aguilera, but Aguilera declined.[16][17] Sheriff Harwell told reporters regarding law enforcement talking with Koresh, "Just go out and talk to them, what's wrong with notifying them?"[18] . . . . . . Economist and crisis consultant Randall Bell writes in his book Strategy 360, "Koresh was on amicable terms with the local sheriff. He could have been easily arrested or questioned during one of his frequent visits to town. Many people believe that, even if a simple phone call had been allowed between the sheriff and Koresh, the FBI's raid might not have occurred at all."[27] The Davidian members were well known locally and had cordial relations with other locals. The Davidians partly supported themselves by trading at gun shows and took care always to have the relevant paperwork to ensure their transactions were legal.[28] Davidian Paul Fatta was a federal firearms licensed dealer (FFL) and the Davidians operated a retail gun business called the Mag Bag. When shipments for the Mag Bag arrived, they were signed for by Fatta, Steve Schneider or Koresh. The morning of the raid, Paul Fatta and son Kalani were on their way to the Austin, Texas gun show to conduct business.[29] --- I'm no expert on such matters but it sounds as if BATF wanted to humiliate the Davidians with a show of force. It sounds similar to the use of overpowering force at Ruby Ridge, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge the bombing of the Move Organization in Philadelphia, 1985 bombing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE the murder of Fred Hampton by the Chicago Police Dept. and the FBI, and the refusal of the Los Angeles PD to take prisoners at the SLA shoot out. Move to Los Angeles and police shootout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbion...e_to_Los_Angel es_and_police_shootout This article varies from what was stated in the local papers at the time. Then, there was no mention of anyone coming out of the house with weapons. Like I say, I'm no expert on these matters, but if you get a thump on your door a 3 AM, and you are given the option to comply, do it quickly. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html |
The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
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dave wrote: Cicero Venatio wrote: ------------- Bush fought for oil, Clinton executed the Davidians simply because they absolutely refused to kneel before him. That's a little nutso. I doubt Clinton gave a **** one way or the other. The Army was wrong to blink first. It's amazing how a handful of gun nuts, women and kids could hold the mighty USA at bay for a month. They could've just set up a controlled perimeter and waited them out. Hey, what kind of wacked-out troll posts to rush-limbaugh and radio.shortwave? Cut out this freakin' cross posting. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html |
The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
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The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:17:02 -0500, "John Agosta"
wrote: "Joe from Kokomo" wrote in message ... Maybe they will try Clinton for that as soon as they try Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz for lying us into two fake wars. History will show that Bush et al failed America in those dark days. I understand your feelings for the scores killed at Waco. Now if only you could work up some sympathy for the *thousands* of American troops and *tens of thousands* of civilians maimed and killed by W's folly. On 4/24/2010 6:51 PM, Cicero Venatio wrote: Bush fought for oil, Clinton executed the Davidians simply because they absolutely refused to kneel before him. Bush fought for oil??? You may be right, that -may- have been the real reason, but as far as I know, that was NEVER publicly admitted to by the Bush administration -- essentially the American public was lied into two phony wars (that we are STILL paying the price for). Anyway, even if Bush did do it "for oil", are you implying that Bush gets a free pass to kill thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of innocent civilians just because it was "for oil"? Does oil justify that? ...absolutely refused to kneel before him. Well, I'm not sure about that. It may have had more to do with the Davidians having illegal weapons. The fire appeared to be accidental/unintentional. I don't think the ATF or Bill Clinton overtly planned on having a fire. The government probably would have been perfectly happy if the Davidians honored the ATF legal search warrant. Finally, let's be pragmatic... Yes, the 86 bogus Waco deaths were sad, even though accidental and not specifically planned. However, Bush DID overtly plan the two bogus wars. 86 accidental deaths versus tens of thousands of deaths that we the people were lied into. So, you tell me, who is the bigger criminal, Clinton or Bush? If you think Clinton should be tried for those 86 deaths, well, fair enough. But then I'm contending that Bush should be tried for the tens of thousands of deaths he lied us into. Good post. It is for those of you with selective memories. http://www.c-span.org/resources/pdf/hjres114.pdf * Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire, including interference with weapons inspectors. * Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, and programs to develop such weapons, posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region." * Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population." * Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people". * Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the alleged 1993 assassination attempt of former President George H. W. Bush, and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War. * Members of al-Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq. * Iraq's "continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations. * The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight terrorists, including the September 11th, 2001 terrorists and those who aided or harbored them. * The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism. * Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement. And the left's selective memory doesn't stop there. Clinton only responsible for the deaths of the Branch Davidians and no one else eh? Guess his random bombings to enforce the same UN resolutions that are given above don't count? Or the 100,000 plus deaths resulting from the mass bombing of the Balkins? Or the loss of the military lives in the farce in Somalia? Or the bombing of innocent civilian targets by the Clinton administration based upon faulty intel? He must have been lying as well at the time based upon your logic. |
The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
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The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
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The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
"Joe from wrote in message ... Maybe they will try Clinton for that as soon as they try Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz for lying us into two fake wars. History will show that Bush et al failed America in those dark days. I understand your feelings for the scores killed at Waco. Now if only you could work up some sympathy for the *thousands* of American troops and *tens of thousands* of civilians maimed and killed by W's folly. On 4/24/2010 6:51 PM, Cicero Venatio wrote: Bush fought for oil, Clinton executed the Davidians simply because they absolutely refused to kneel before him. Bush fought for oil??? You may be right, that -may- have been the real reason, but as far as I know, that was NEVER publicly admitted to by the Bush administration -- essentially the American public was lied into two phony wars (that we are STILL paying the price for). Anyway, even if Bush did do it "for oil", are you implying that Bush gets a free pass to kill thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of innocent civilians just because it was "for oil"? Does oil justify that? ...absolutely refused to kneel before him. Well, I'm not sure about that. It may have had more to do with the Davidians having illegal weapons. The fire appeared to be accidental/unintentional. I don't think the ATF or Bill Clinton overtly planned on having a fire. The government probably would have been perfectly happy if the Davidians honored the ATF legal search warrant. Finally, let's be pragmatic... Yes, the 86 bogus Waco deaths were sad, even though accidental and not specifically planned. However, Bush DID overtly plan the two bogus wars. 86 accidental deaths versus tens of thousands of deaths that we the people were lied into. So, you tell me, who is the bigger criminal, Clinton or Bush? If you think Clinton should be tried for those 86 deaths, well, fair enough. But then I'm contending that Bush should be tried for the tens of thousands of deaths he lied us into. On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:17:02 -0500, "John Agosta wrote: Good post. On 4/26/2010 7:01 PM, First Post wrote: It is for those of you with selective memories. * Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire, including interference with weapons inspectors. Yup, Saddam did that but basically minor harassment on his part, hardly a reason to start an almost TRILLION dollar war. * Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, and programs to develop such weapons, posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region." Pure bull$hit. You don't commit American lives and a trillion dollars on "alleged". Ultimately, Bush and Cheney admitted on national TV that there were *NO* WMDs. On top of all that, you talk about "security in the Persian Gulf region." Us being there threatens the "peace and stability" of the region because first of all, a war can hardly be defined as peace, now can it? More importantly, when we leave the region (if we ever can), the Shiites, Sunni and Kurds who still hate each other, and will start the biggest civil war you have ever seen, hardly leading to "peace and stability" in the region. This all goes back to Bush Junior having NO exit strategy when he started this fiasco -- and there is still no exit strategy. I won't even talk about the fraudulent "yellowcake" lies. * Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population." Huh? This is a reason to spend a trillion American dollars and THOUSANDS of American lives? Who put us in charge of Iraqi civilians? Besides, if we followed your fractured "logic" above, we would be at war with 20 or 30 additional countries that don't treat their civilian population nicely. * Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people". Well, sorry. WE (the USA) sold Saddam the chemicals to make the poison gas they used on the Kurds. And Rumsfeld has the receipts to prove it. * Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the alleged 1993 assassination attempt of former President George H. W. Bush, and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War. So? A LOT of countries are hostile to us and many because of G.W. Bush's fake war. It is a matter of public record that Bush hurt our image abroad more than any president in history. (And there you go with that "alleged" again). * Members of al-Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq. Again, PURE B-U-L-L-$-H-I-T!!! They were NOT "known to be in Iraq" at the time the war started. (Are they in Iraq now, seeing as we have destabilized the country? Maybe.) You obviously missed the national TV broadcast when Bush/Cheney said "there was NO al-Quaeda in Iraq". (or were they lying then, too?) |
The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, In On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:18:46 -0700 (PDT), Wexford said about: The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History On Apr 24, 1:02=C2=A0pm, =E2=88=85baMa=E2=88=85 Tse Dung 0bama0.spea...@gm= ail.com wrote: Anyone waving a placard or voicing dissent against the Obama administration dare not protest too loudly. President Bill Clinton has reignited the incendiary rhetoric of April 19, 1995. Hahahahahaha! You people are a helluva hoot. Clinton incendiary??? When you have Limbaugh, Coulter, Savage, Morris, Hannity, O'Reilley, Beck -- the whole bloody menagerie is YOURS!!! Stop it! Yer killin' me! Hahahahahaha! Moron. We know who told the morons that. It's from Propaganda 101: reversing the facts. "The cleverest trick used in propaganda ... to accuse Germany of what our enemies themselves were doing. ...the typical characteristics of German propaganda are lying, crudeness, reversing the facts and the like. " --Dr. Joseph Goebbels, Nuernberg, 1934 In his propaganda campaigns, Goebbels used all forms of the media but stressed radio. Radio? USA Today/Gallup poll -RUSH LIMBAUGH is the REPUBLICAN'S LEADER! "Who speaks for the Republican party?" LIMBAUGH...In every catigory: Both Republicans, Dems agree. http://www.gallup.com/poll/120806/Li...aking-GOP.aspx Uncanny, huh? The insane twist the facts to fit their world view. The rational change their world view to fit the facts. |
The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
Was Timothy McVeigh set up to be a patsy? Metinks so!
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The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
The M-14 Party.That M-14 is like the one I was issued when I was in
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The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
Timothy McVeigh was there, but that truck bomb didn't cause all that
damage.It couldn't have.That building in Oklahoma City blew up from the inside out. cuhulin |
The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
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The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
dave wrote:
wrote: Was Timothy McVeigh set up to be a patsy? Metinks so! There are hours of tapes of Mr. McVeigh bragging about the deed. One does not preclude the other. McVeigh may have been followed, encouraged, guided, and then taken advantage of -- with extra explosives as "insurance," as the efficacy of a truck bomb some considerable distance from the building was naturally doubted by the experts involved. I was listening to the radio in the minutes and hours immediately after the event, and there were definitely reports of additional bombs inside the building -- which stands to reason, considering the massive damage. It was also extremely suspicious that McVeigh, shortly before the attack, placed a number of apparently pointless telephone calls. He (if indeed it _was_ he and not a helpful "associate") did this using a phone card sold by Liberty Lobby, a right-wing populist group. He called a long list of right-wing and pro-White racial organizations a few days before the bombing, typically leaving messages and asking -- almost begging -- to be contacted. The tally of organizations he tried to contact is very similar to those on the SPLC's alleged "hate group" list. It would be as if Lee Harvey Oswald had sat down during the first weeks of November, 1963, and made dozens of telephone calls attempting to set up meetings with every left-wing group on the House Un-American Activities Committee list -- and did so from the lobby phone at Americans for Democratic Action. McVeigh's association with Nichols was probably not part of his handlers' plans, since it vitiated their claim that the bombing was the work of "racists." (Nichols was in an interracial marriage.) So McVeigh clearly had a considerable degree of freedom of action, and was not operating under direct orders. But a patsy nonetheless? I say that is very likely. Cui bono? Those who wanted increased government power to monitor, infiltrate, and stifle dissenters. (Legislation that presaged the Patriot Act -- itself triggered by a later, possibly false flag, event -- was pushed through after OKC.) Those who wanted to demonize radicals who question the Empire. Those who wanted -- and still want -- to demonize groups that demand self-determination. With all good wishes, Kevin Alfred Strom. -- http://kevinalfredstrom.com/ |
The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
dave wrote: wrote: Was Timothy McVeigh set up to be a patsy? Metinks so! There are hours of tapes of Mr. McVeigh bragging about the deed. One does not preclude the other. McVeigh may have been followed, encouraged, guided, and then taken advantage of -- with extra explosives as "insurance," as the efficacy of a truck bomb some considerable distance from the building was naturally doubted by the experts involved. ANFO has occasionally been used in terrorist bombings. First used in 1970 by student protesters at the University of Wisconsin–Madison, who learned how to make and use ANFO from a Wisconsin Conservation Department booklet entitled Pothole Blasting for Wildlife,[2][5] the ANFO car bomb was soon adopted by the IRA, such as in the 1993 Bishopsgate bombing. It has also seen use by groups such as the FARC, ETA, and various terrorists when they first tried to destroy the World Trade Center in 1993. A more sophisticated variant of ANFO (with nitromethane ammonium nitrate as the fuel called ANNM) was used in the more successful 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. Improvised bombs made with agricultural-grade AN are less sensitive and less efficient than the explosive-grade variety. In November 2009, a ban on ammonium sulfate, ammonium nitrate and calcium ammonium nitrate fertilizers was imposed in the Malakand Division - comprising the Dir, Swat, Chitral and Malakand districts of the North West Frontier Province (NWFP) of Pakistan, by the NWFP government, following reports that those chemicals were used by militants to make explosives. In April 2010, police in Greece confiscated 180 kilograms of ANFO and other related material stashed in a hideaway in the Athens suburb of Kareas. The material was believed to be linked to attacks previously carried out by the "Revolutionary Struggle" terrorist group In January 2010, President Karzai from Afghanistan also issued a decree banning the use, production, storage, purchase or sale of ammonium nitrate, after an investigation showed that militants in the Taliban insurgency had used the substance in bomb attacks [6] [7] [8]. wikipedia |
The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
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The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
NUTS! ~ General McAullife - Battle of the Bulge.
The Nazi dude said, Nitz? cuhulin |
The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
On Apr 29, 1:20*pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
dave wrote: ~~~ ANFO has occasionally been used in terrorist bombings. First used in 1970 by student protesters ~~~ Thus the use of it in a false flag action to lend credence to the suggestion of home grown? ...and of course McVeigh was a perfect patsy with his outward affectations of stoic patriotism barely disguising his esteem issue need for self justification. -- Operator Bob Echo Charlie 42 OOOH - has a nice touchy-feeley pop-psych aura to it :-D |
The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History
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, Wexford wrote: On Apr 24, 1:02Â*pm, ?baMa? Tse Dung wrote: Anyone waving a placard or voicing dissent against the Obama administration dare not protest too loudly. President Bill Clinton has reignited the incendiary rhetoric of April 19, 1995. Hahahahahaha! You people are a helluva hoot. Clinton incendiary??? When you have Limbaugh, Coulter, Savage, Morris, Hannity, O'Reilley, Beck -- the whole bloody menagerie is YOURS!!! Stop it! Yer killin' me! Hahahahahaha! Moron. Oh dang. Your cold, man. Now they're gonna go all self conscious, and choke, and they're not gonna be as funny as they have been ;o) -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html |
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