On 5/18/10 09:21 , bpnjensen wrote:
On May 18, 7:17 am, Kevin Alfred
wrote:

If people are stupid and uninformed they should have no right to vote.
They do more harm than good.

Now, there's something we definitely agree on.

There would be extremely vociferous opposition to any intelligence
test -- or even the simplest civics test -- as a requirement for
voting, however.

Even a literacy test would be verboten in the insane asylum that
passes for the United States these days.

The reason? Any such test would be condemned as "racist." Certain
races would fail even the simplest test in disproportionate numbers.

So, until reality hits us in the face hard enough to make us abandon
the religion of racial equality (which is just as kooky as
fundamentalism), we will continue with a system in which vicious
gangsters and borderline morons barely able to dress themselves have
an equal vote with honors graduates and brilliant inventors.

Of course, reality _will_ hit us in the face eventually, since the
morons and thugs are increasing their percentage of the population
every hour. And it is, more and more, _their_ tastes and
predilections and "culture" which shape our society, determine its
policies, and select its leaders.

With every good wish,

Kevin Alfred Strom.
--http://kevinalfredstrom.com/- Hide quoted text -

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Kevin - at the founding of this nation, and continuing on for quite a
while, What percentage of the population do you suppose could read or
write? And did this Constitutionally prevent anyone from being able
to vote?

We used to think the Irish, the Italians and the Poles were thugs
too...

Bruce Jensen




Bruce, you need to come to Chicago.

On 5/18/10 09:21 , bpnjensen wrote:


We used to think the Irish, the Italians and the Poles were thugs
too...

Bruce Jensen




There's a reason for that.


Alphonse Capone.
Johnny Torrio
Frank Nitti
William Daddano
Sam Giancana
Paul Ricca
Tony Accardo


George Moran
William McGarigle
Michael Cassius McDonald
Mossy Enright
Roger Touhy
Southside O'Donnells
Dion O'Banion
Frank McErlane


Jake Guzik
John Factor
Paul Jaworski
Joseph Saltis
Richard Leonard Kuklinski
Hymie Weiss
Joseph Filkowski
Joseph Stazek

On May 18, 8:16*am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
* On 5/18/10 09:21 , bpnjensen wrote:

We used to think the Irish, the Italians and the Poles were thugs
too...

Bruce Jensen

* There's a reason for that.

* Alphonse Capone.
* Johnny Torrio
* Frank Nitti
* William Daddano
* Sam Giancana
* Paul Ricca
* Tony Accardo

* George Moran
* William McGarigle
* Michael Cassius McDonald
* Mossy Enright
* Roger Touhy
* Southside O'Donnells
* Dion O'Banion
* Frank McErlane

* Jake Guzik
* John Factor
* Paul Jaworski
* Joseph Saltis
* Richard Leonard Kuklinski
* Hymie Weiss
* Joseph Filkowski
* Joseph Stazek

A tiny fraction of the millions who came and ultimately contributed
positvely to the nation in a million small ways.

On 5/18/10 12:13 , bpnjensen wrote:
On May 18, 8:16 am, "D. Peter wrote:
On 5/18/10 09:21 , bpnjensen wrote:

We used to think the Irish, the Italians and the Poles were thugs
too...

Bruce Jensen

There's a reason for that.

Alphonse Capone.
Johnny Torrio
Frank Nitti
William Daddano
Sam Giancana
Paul Ricca
Tony Accardo

George Moran
William McGarigle
Michael Cassius McDonald
Mossy Enright
Roger Touhy
Southside O'Donnells
Dion O'Banion
Frank McErlane

Jake Guzik
John Factor
Paul Jaworski
Joseph Saltis
Richard Leonard Kuklinski
Hymie Weiss
Joseph Filkowski
Joseph Stazek

A tiny fraction of the millions who came and ultimately contributed
positvely to the nation in a million small ways.

And yet, each came to polarize countless millions by contributing
negatively as individuals in the name of their ethicities.

The reason we used to, and many times still do, think of the
Irish, the Italians, and the Poles as thugs is not because of the
millions who aren't, but because of the some who were.

Irish thugs built the Railroads from East to West, the Chinese Coolies
built the Railroads from West to East.They had some Railroad Cars of ill
repute hooked up to some (or all) of those Choo Choo Trains.''Cat
Houses'' they were.
cuhulin

On May 18, 11:01*am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 5/18/10 12:13 , bpnjensen wrote:





On May 18, 8:16 am, "D. Peter *wrote:
* *On 5/18/10 09:21 , bpnjensen wrote:

We used to think the Irish, the Italians and the Poles were thugs
too...

Bruce Jensen

* *There's a reason for that.

* *Alphonse Capone.
* *Johnny Torrio
* *Frank Nitti
* *William Daddano
* *Sam Giancana
* *Paul Ricca
* *Tony Accardo

* *George Moran
* *William McGarigle
* *Michael Cassius McDonald
* *Mossy Enright
* *Roger Touhy
* *Southside O'Donnells
* *Dion O'Banion
* *Frank McErlane

* *Jake Guzik
* *John Factor
* *Paul Jaworski
* *Joseph Saltis
* *Richard Leonard Kuklinski
* *Hymie Weiss
* *Joseph Filkowski
* *Joseph Stazek

A tiny fraction of the millions who came and ultimately contributed
positvely to the nation in a million small ways.

* *And yet, each came to polarize countless millions by contributing
negatively as individuals in the name of their ethicities.

* *The reason we used to, and many times still do, think of the
Irish, the Italians, and the Poles as thugs is not because of the
millions who aren't, but because of the some who were.- Hide quoted text -

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And such is the case with those who come today. Our experience with
the past, which you have pointed out, should enlighten us to look at
the doughnut and not the hole. I do not hold all of the Italians
accountable for the actions of a Capone, nor do I hold every Mexican
national accountable for the violence of a handful of drug lords. I
know too many people of Mexican descent who are smart, hard-working,
solid citizens who love their families and contribute to their larger
communities...In other words, good Americans...to ever make that
mistake. I am proud to call a number of them my friends. Same with
Asians and blacks - it's the doughnut and not the hole that counts.

Believe me - there are cultural mores from other lands with which I
have a lot of trouble. For that matter, our American culture has quite
a bit of it. Characteristics of cruelty, injustice, and various forms
of dishonor accompany most cultures on this planet, and the only thing
anybody can do is push forward to encourage the best and forego the
worst. No matter what, the pressure against our borders will not
diminish, and it is obvious that trying to inculcate foreign peoples
with our own POVs has proven to not be very successful even in this
age of instant internet. Experience has shown that there is a far
greater chance of immigrants assimilating once they get here rather
than trying to do it from afar. What would be the most helpful is if
we could establish a policy whereby we encourage those who come here
legally and learn to be Americans to find ways to bring the positive
aspects of our society back to their native lands. That's a very tall
order, but eventually, if population continues to explode as it now
does, there will be no other choice.

Meanwhile, it would be very helpful to get our own house in order.

Bruce Jensen

On 5/18/10 13:22 , bpnjensen wrote:
On May 18, 11:01 am, "D. Peter wrote:
On 5/18/10 12:13 , bpnjensen wrote:





On May 18, 8:16 am, "D. Peter wrote:
On 5/18/10 09:21 , bpnjensen wrote:

We used to think the Irish, the Italians and the Poles were thugs
too...

Bruce Jensen

There's a reason for that.

Alphonse Capone.
Johnny Torrio
Frank Nitti
William Daddano
Sam Giancana
Paul Ricca
Tony Accardo

George Moran
William McGarigle
Michael Cassius McDonald
Mossy Enright
Roger Touhy
Southside O'Donnells
Dion O'Banion
Frank McErlane

Jake Guzik
John Factor
Paul Jaworski
Joseph Saltis
Richard Leonard Kuklinski
Hymie Weiss
Joseph Filkowski
Joseph Stazek

A tiny fraction of the millions who came and ultimately contributed
positvely to the nation in a million small ways.

And yet, each came to polarize countless millions by contributing
negatively as individuals in the name of their ethicities.

The reason we used to, and many times still do, think of the
Irish, the Italians, and the Poles as thugs is not because of the
millions who aren't, but because of the some who were.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And such is the case with those who come today. Our experience with
the past, which you have pointed out, should enlighten us to look at
the doughnut and not the hole. I do not hold all of the Italians
accountable for the actions of a Capone, nor do I hold every Mexican
national accountable for the violence of a handful of drug lords. I
know too many people of Mexican descent who are smart, hard-working,
solid citizens who love their families and contribute to their larger
communities...In other words, good Americans...to ever make that
mistake. I am proud to call a number of them my friends. Same with
Asians and blacks - it's the doughnut and not the hole that counts.



It is often, however, the hole that defined the donut. Which was
my point.



Believe me - there are cultural mores from other lands with which I
have a lot of trouble. For that matter, our American culture has quite
a bit of it. Characteristics of cruelty, injustice, and various forms
of dishonor accompany most cultures on this planet, and the only thing
anybody can do is push forward to encourage the best and forego the
worst. No matter what, the pressure against our borders will not
diminish, and it is obvious that trying to inculcate foreign peoples
with our own POVs has proven to not be very successful even in this
age of instant internet. Experience has shown that there is a far
greater chance of immigrants assimilating once they get here rather
than trying to do it from afar. What would be the most helpful is if
we could establish a policy whereby we encourage those who come here
legally and learn to be Americans to find ways to bring the positive
aspects of our society back to their native lands. That's a very tall
order, but eventually, if population continues to explode as it now
does, there will be no other choice.

Meanwhile, it would be very helpful to get our own house in order.

Sadly, brother, also a tall order.



Bruce Jensen

D. Peter Maus wrote:



George Moran
William McGarigle
Michael Cassius McDonald
Mossy Enright
Roger Touhy
Southside O'Donnells
Dion O'Banion
Frank McErlane


Apparently the bigots who chased the Irish out of Chicago in 1850 were
psychics.