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On May 24, 1:03*pm, Bill Baka wrote:
On 05/24/2010 06:29 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:





Bill Baka wrote:
On 05/23/2010 09:42 PM, Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
...
Humans have one fatal flaw called "me, me, me!". Nobody seems to think
beyond their own comfort zone until forced to, and that day is getting
nearer with every new born human.

Yep... that be the problem, alright.. and to top it off, the relative
few
that can and do think about the big picture are called loonies by the
rest..

10-4 on that one. I've gotten into it with a lot of people on the
Internet and there are still the religious loonies who think 'God'
wants them to have 10 or more children. At this point my daughter is
even aware of the approaching 'event' or 'events' and does not want to
bring a child into this nuthouse of a world. I don't want any of my
blood line having to live through "Hell on Earth", and it is so
obviously coming I can't believe the number of people with the heads
up their asses.

If your blood line doesn't live through the coming Hell on Earth, then
your blood line won't live at all.

After the debacle caused by greed, irrationality, dysgenics, and a
deeply flawed economic system, there will still be a need for human
types with high intelligence and the ability to create high culture and
science, so that evolution can continue once again in an upward direction.

Within each race and civilization, one can roughly divide the population
into _problem-makers_ and _problem-solvers_.

The overpopulation problem is primarily caused by the vast oversupply
and terrifying fecundity of problem-makers.

Correct.



But there is a real _shortage_ of problem-solvers.

Problem-solvers tend to be intelligent and responsible. Unfortunately,
problem-solvers often carry the "responsibility" part too far -- to the
point where it becomes self-defeating.

They see overpopulation. They see a clouded future. They see what
tremendous time and resources it takes to give a child the best possible
life.

All correct above.



So they limit their numbers. While the problem-makers continue to
increase through profligate reproduction.

Too correct. Thank you welfare and illegals. They breed like crazy and
do nothing but lower the collective IQ. Evolution in reverse.



With each generation, human numbers get larger -- but, far more
importantly, the percentage of problem-solvers gets smaller and smaller..

Upon this elite group all human progress -- and probably even human
survival -- depends. And they are committing suicide.

The highest IQ group seem to be too busy making new discoveries and not
making any superior babies. Many professionals I have known do not have
kids at all, married or not. Then they complain about traffic jams and
the results of the mice breeding. sigh.



We may be heading for a near-extinction event, such as the event(s) that
brought the European and Asian races into being. (We know that such an
event or events took place, since genetic variation among races which
left Africa in prehistoric times is _far less_ than among those who
stayed -- therefore extreme circumstances made for a dramatic culling of
the population, resulting in relatively rapid evolution and the
formation of new races.)

I think it will be a total extinction event(s), brought on by greed,
ignoring the problem until it is too late. We humans are driving many
species into extinction ever day. Japan and a few other countries are
still whaling, even though the whale population is dropping to near
extinction. The mountain gorillas are all but gone, thanks to Japan
paying good money for gorilla hand ash trays. Actually I think I just
pointed out one of the major offenders, Japan.



If drastic steps are taken now to increase the problem-solver percentage
of our population, it's possible that a cataclysmic collapse and
near-extinction-type culling can be avoided.

That would require some major social engineering, like pairing up
individuals with with high IQ's and making babies that would grow up and
just possibly solve the problems. That would be assuming that these
individuals would be willing. Tax the snot out of the lower IQ problem
makers and cut welfare families off from making babies just to get a
'raise'. Do not feed the starving children in Africa or anywhere else
unless the food has birth control in it. It will never happen or course
since that would be politically incorrect, and/or offensive to the
religious types.



If we don't do that, America will continue to go down the path of Third
Worldization -- and become little more than a gigantic nuclear-armed
Zimbabwe, and a powerful catalyst for destruction.

Either way, the problem-maker contribution to the gene pool will,
ultimately, be drastically reduced. Nature cannot be fooled.

Of course the problem makers will go first, but then we problem solvers
will have no one at the lower levels to grow and harvest food. Kind of a
self defeating thing so I think we will all go.

With all good wishes,

Kevin Alfred Strom.

Cheers,
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The Earth will be better off without us anyway. I am not grieving.

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On 05/24/2010 01:10 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

The Earth will be better off without us anyway. I am not grieving.

At least one person sees this. The math says that even at the present
level of 6.5 billion we will waste the planet. I am not grieving over
the coming extinction event since my daughter even sees the problem and
does not want children brought into this world. My blood line stops here
and now. I don't want any grandchildren going through 'the end'.
Bill Baka, realist.

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On May 24, 12:41*pm, Bill Baka wrote:
On 05/24/2010 07:17 AM, wrote:http://www.devilfinder.com
All of the people on Earth could fit into Ceylon

Or Jacksonville,Florida,,, or Texas,,,

There is more than enough space on Earth for everybody, there is more
than enough arable land on Earth to feed everybody on Earth.Hydroponic
gardening/crops could work too.
cuhulin

I read a "Book of Knowledge" published in the 1930's and it said that
all the people on earth could fit into a one mile square cube. These
days it would probably take a 2 mile square, shoulder to shoulder.
Peace,
Bill Baka

I tried to read that book, but then discovered I could not read, so I
read the Big Book of Ignorance instead ;-)

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(cut down to rrs, because I don't have the alt groups on my server,
and yes there is some radio and related stuff in my ramblings)


Day Brown wrote:
If what you want is the Earth to return to its natural healthy state
fastest, then you need to ramp up the birth rate of the talented problem
solvers so they can even faster slow down the rate of the client class
expansions.

No you don't. There are plenty of potential talented problem solvers born,
but most of them never end up in a position of solving any problems.

Some countries channel them into those positions, some channel them into
positions where they can not harm society, some just ignore them and let
them flounder, where most do not do anything "useful" in terms of problem
solving.

Sputnik scared the heck out of the US and the 1960's was a time of great
growth in the US twoard channeling the problem solvers into solving problems.
Unfortunately that has pretty much burnt out, and the current generation
in power and comming up can't enhance, or even reproduce the work of their
parents.

If you want an example, Popular Science recently released their archives
to public viewing. Look at their December 1941 issue. On December 6, 1941
the US was a booming economy, with lots of consumer items in production
and being developed. By December 8th, it was not, it had become almost
overnight focused on war production.

The US economy never really recovered, post war recovery for Europe and Japan
included the technological edge the US had being moved overseas.

Because of Sputnik, that trend was IMHO accelerated because the US went from
farther and farther into tech development, while moving the actual manufacturing
overseas. New things were being developed, but as soon as they could be, they
were moved from US production to Germany and Japan.

Japan became too expensive, so they were moved to Tiawan, then Korea, now the
PRC and India. Technology development went elesewhere too.

To keep this radio related Ten-Tec just announced at Dayton that they will
be selling a designed and made in China radio. They will keep the high end
products in the US, but this is the first of their low end ones. It's not
technicaly outsourcing, it's OEMing (in the computer useage of the term)
they bought the rights to an existing product.

Now most of the manufacturing in the world is in China and tech development
is down outside of the US. If you looked at anything in your house or office
and ignored the name on it, just looked at where it was made, where the
components where made, the software inside (almost anything that uses
electricity these days has a microprocessor in it) was developed, you
would find it concentrated in 3 countries, and the US is NOT one of them.

The other problem is industrialization and growth in the poorer but more
populated countries. Due to the success of the global warming carbon credit
farce, less developed countries are being forced to delay or stop development
to offset the demands of the less populated but more idustrialized ones.

This would be fine the carbon credit fees actually made it to these counrties
and were used (and sufficient) to industrialize using "green" methods and
materials, but they are not. So the poor are stuck using the same crap
the richer countries gave up 50 years ago, but are penalized for doing so.

Why aren't there thousands of wind farms, solar farms, hydro power plants,
millions of electric buses and cars in Africa, India, etc? Why do people
still dry their **** to have fuel to cook their meals in clay huts with
no clean water, heat, plumbing or electricity?

Why do a million people a year die from malaria, because DDT was banned to
make some rich environmentalists happy, and no one cares enough to replace
it? You don't need to replace it with another pesticide (dangerous or not),
the cost of prevention and cure is about $10 a "client".

For about the cost of an olympic sized swiming pool in most places,
you could prevent a MILLION deaths. Pardon me if I am not impressed by
the EU buying one for Hamas.

Why don't these children have schools? Why don't they have universities?
They don't need genius professors, there is enough on line material
to educate them. They just need teachers, which there would be a surplus of
if they did not die of malaria, AIDS, starvation, etc in childhood.

It does not have to cost a lot, back when I had a blog going, I discussed
a satellite system for information delivery, which could deliver eBooks,
audiobooks, etc for the cost of the uplink and about $500 a ground station.
They could be delivered to low cost audio players, such as the stick of gum
USB ones, run by AA rechargable batteries.

The players retail for less than $10, and cost a few dollars at the factory.
The batteries cost about $1 each and will run a player for a day on a charge,
and last for 3 years if recharged every day.

They could be used to provide news, entertainment and education to individuals
without them having to be able read.

While most of them are not going to be the movers and shakers of their
people nor their generation, there are millions (billions if you include
China and India), how many do you need?

If they all have a basic education, and are not starving in the cold and
dark, they will produce their leaders and problem solvers, even if one in
a thousand or one in ten thousand, or one in a million.

As quality of life goes up, life expectancy goes up, and so on, they
will volunteraly reduce their birth rate.


As women all over the world gain power, even in poor areas, the birth
rate is falling. And the smart women themselves have the moral authority
to deal with it. As well as the more talented eggs.


Exactly, why not spread that ability to what are now the poor and starving,
by making them less poor and not starving.


The silence following this presentation is remarkable.

That's because it's so full of racist bull**** that no one can read it
long enough to figure out you do have something in it.

Instead of extending the benefits of your gene pool to the masses as it were,
extend the benefits of your inteligence and ability to them. Improve their
lives to the point where they by natural selection go through the same
processes your ancestors went through to make you the superior human being
you are.

It will take longer, and but it will get rid of those you want to anyway.

As Mark Twan said: "Soap and education are not as sudden as a
massacre, but they are more deadly in the long run."

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM
New word I coined 12/13/09, "Sub-Wikipedia" adj, describing knowledge or
understanding, as in he has a sub-wikipedia understanding of the situation.
i.e possessing less facts or information than can be found in the Wikipedia.

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When DDT was banned in America, DDT was, and still is being manufactured
and sold to South America.
Probally Africa too.

I can still smell that DDT now.
cuhulin

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Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:


As Mark Twan said: "Soap and education are not as sudden as a
massacre, but they are more deadly in the long run."

Geoff.

I have no idea what that means.

We need courage, not smarts. Because we are unwilling to sacrifice our
collective self-indulgence we are going to perish, and take everyone
else with us.

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"Bill Baka" wrote in message
...
(snipped)
You know it and I know it, but it will probably never happen. Average
people will just try to block any progress in this genetic engineering
experiment (voluntary of course).
big sigh
Bill Baka



# Waste of effort anyway. The Africans are multiplying like the plague
through white people feeding them and treating their diseases.

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South Korea and North Korea,,, Eminent War brewing?
Articles at,
http://www.rense.com
and,
http://www.libertypost.org

Hot Dog!, The Great Escape movie, Friday at 9:15 PM, TCM channel.
cuhulin

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On 05/25/2010 03:56 AM, SPierce wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
...
(snipped)
You know it and I know it, but it will probably never happen. Average
people will just try to block any progress in this genetic engineering
experiment (voluntary of course).
big sigh
Bill Baka



# Waste of effort anyway. The Africans are multiplying like the plague
through white people feeding them and treating their diseases.


Yeah, tell me about it. We have been sending food for those starving
children for about 40 years now and they grow up and make still more
starving children. Some of the adults who once were starving children
just grow up to be militants toting AK-47's and grenade launchers. If we
didn't have so many bleeding hearts in this country nature could just
take it's course.
It is a lose, lose, lose even worse situation.
Sorry about the 'Reality', but that is what it is.
Bill Baka

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And Why are they starving? We send food and their ''leaders'' hoard that
food in big warehouses.Their ''leaders'' use that food, and other
commodities we send them, for trading/bartering/bribeing/selling to
other ''leaders'' in other Countries.
cuhulin

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On 05/25/2010 01:33 PM, wrote:
And Why are they starving? We send food and their ''leaders'' hoard that
food in big warehouses.Their ''leaders'' use that food, and other
commodities we send them, for trading/bartering/bribeing/selling to
other ''leaders'' in other Countries.
cuhulin

Make it a condition that all free food will have birth control for both
men and women and watch the war lords stay clear of it. Baby problem
solved. Only when they are capable of self support would this stop and
they once again can have children. It seems simple enough but of course
since we are a country of religious bleeding hearts it will probably
continue forever.
Bill Baka

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On Tue, 25 May 2010 13:22:04 -0700, Bill Baka
wrote:

On 05/25/2010 03:56 AM, SPierce wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
...
(snipped)
You know it and I know it, but it will probably never happen. Average
people will just try to block any progress in this genetic engineering
experiment (voluntary of course).
big sigh
Bill Baka



# Waste of effort anyway. The Africans are multiplying like the plague
through white people feeding them and treating their diseases.


Yeah, tell me about it. We have been sending food for those starving
children for about 40 years now and they grow up and make still more
starving children. Some of the adults who once were starving children
just grow up to be militants toting AK-47's and grenade launchers. If we
didn't have so many bleeding hearts in this country nature could just
take it's course.
It is a lose, lose, lose even worse situation.
Sorry about the 'Reality', but that is what it is.
Bill Baka
On the mark. The North American midwest, and the US as a whole for
that matter is the ONE and ONLY means of keeping alive a World
population that could not support half of current numbers without US
agricultural production.

Many believe that the drought/dustbowl of the 30s was some kind of a
500 year even in which almost no rainfall occured. Actually most
areas recieved 50% of normal rainfall. Plenty of rainfall to support
prairy grasses, but not corn or wheat. Such sever droughts are NOT
500 year events, but occur regularly every several decades.

A drop of as little as 25% in US food production in one year would
have devasting effects in many regions, and should the drought
continue for 3-5 years as was the case in the 30s, we would see
anarchy in many areas.

CURRENT World populations simply cannot be supported indefinetly, much
less continued growth.

It;s a ticking timebomb.

F. Prefect
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.....Douglas Adams

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Doggy, you look just like a Cat when you do that,,, rolling around all
over the couch, especially on your back.
WOO WOO WOOF! thems Fighting words!

Huh, Meowwwwwwww,,,,,,
cuhulin

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On May 25, 1:46*pm, Bill Baka wrote:
On 05/25/2010 01:33 PM, wrote: And Why are they starving? We send food and their ''leaders'' hoard that
food in big warehouses.Their ''leaders'' use that food, and other
commodities we send them, for trading/bartering/bribeing/selling to
other ''leaders'' in other Countries.
cuhulin

Make it a condition that all free food will have birth control for both
men and women and watch the war lords stay clear of it. Baby problem
solved. Only when they are capable of self support would this stop and
they once again can have children. It seems simple enough but of course
since we are a country of religious bleeding hearts it will probably
continue forever.
Bill Baka

Amen to that, brother.

"Enough Money"
 

On May 25, 1:54*pm, (F. Prefect) wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2010 13:22:04 -0700, Bill Baka
wrote:





On 05/25/2010 03:56 AM, SPierce wrote:
"Bill *wrote in message
...
(snipped)
You know it and I know it, but it will probably never happen. Average
people will just try to block any progress in this genetic engineering
experiment (voluntary of course).
big sigh
Bill Baka

# Waste of effort anyway. *The Africans are multiplying like the plague
through white people feeding them and treating their diseases.

Yeah, tell me about it. We have been sending food for those starving
children for about 40 years now and they grow up and make still more
starving children. Some of the adults who once were starving children
just grow up to be militants toting AK-47's and grenade launchers. If we
didn't have so many bleeding hearts in this country nature could just
take it's course.
It is a lose, lose, lose even worse situation.
Sorry about the 'Reality', but that is what it is.
Bill Baka

On the mark. *The North American midwest, and the US as a whole for
that matter is the ONE and ONLY means of keeping alive a World
population that could not support half of current numbers without US
agricultural production. *

Many believe that the drought/dustbowl of the 30s was some kind of a
500 year even in which almost no rainfall occured. *Actually most
areas recieved 50% of normal rainfall. *Plenty of rainfall to support
prairy grasses, but not corn or wheat. *Such sever droughts are NOT
500 year events, but occur *regularly every several decades.

A drop of as little as 25% in US food production in one year would
have devasting effects in many regions, and should the drought
continue for 3-5 years as was the case in the 30s, we would see
anarchy in many areas.

CURRENT World populations simply cannot be supported indefinetly, much
less continued growth. *

It;s a ticking timebomb.

F. Prefect
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Bingo, and the big aquifers - like the Ogalalla under the southern
Great Plains - have been drained almost dry too. We really need to
reel back our numbers, nationally by at least half, and worldwide by
an order of magnitude.

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That ''woman'' on ABC tv news Just Could NOT mention the Memorial for
the eleven people killed on Deep Water Horizon, Memorial in
Jackson,Mississippi.They showed a short video clip)
Diane Sawyer,,, WHAT A REAL COMMIE ASS BITCH SHE IS!!!
cuhulin

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Memorial service Honors Gulf oil disaster victims.
http://www.clarionledger.com

O Miorbhail Grais! nach breagh an ceol
'S e lorg mi 's mi air chall,
Air searchdran dorch', gun neart, gun treor,
's a dh'fhosgail suilean dall........
cuhulin

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On 05/25/2010 05:22 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
A drop of as little as 25% in US food production in one year would
have devasting effects in many regions, and should the drought
continue for 3-5 years as was the case in the 30s, we would see
anarchy in many areas.

CURRENT World populations simply cannot be supported indefinetly, much
less continued growth.

It;s a ticking timebomb.

Bingo, and the big aquifers - like the Ogalalla under the southern
Great Plains - have been drained almost dry too. We really need to
reel back our numbers, nationally by at least half, and worldwide by
an order of magnitude.
There is an upside. Global warming has resulted in Southern farmers,
after they've got their crops in, trucking equipment up to the Yukon.

We've all heard of the permafrost melting. What we dont here is that
land is now being put into production of oats, rye, and potatoes. Same
deal in Siberia. Chinese workers have been going up into Southern
Siberia to put in veggies, and the Mongolian stock breeders are
delighted with the increase in beef production.

Liberals forget the melted Arctic ocean evaporates water ice didnt, and
now central Asia gets rain. The Canadian and Russian grain belts have
moved over 100 miles north, vastly increasing the amount of fertile
farmland over that lost in Bangladesh and other such lowlands.

But nobody has figured out what use to make of all the tropical farmers
who no longer have viable land to work.

Global warming has also resulted in more rain coming up from Baja thru
AZ & NM, and thence onto the Great Plains. The Ogallola is much less of
a problem.

And while all that corn has lotsa carbs, the quality of the protein sux
and that has led to even more stupid Mexicans. The corn they grew was
much better for mental development, and if they switched to oats, there
would be a dramatic improvement in mental development.

50-100 years ago, Northern kids were raised on oatmeal, southern kids on
grits. And we see the much higher academic performance of the Northern
state universities back then.

The long term logical solution is to have the talented women donate eggs
for in vitro. Over a 18 month cycle a woman can produce 300 eggs to be
fertilized by more promising Y chromosomes. Which have been collected
from Med schools; altho I think there's some effort to get more
diversity as from business and law schools.

While I'm all for improving the education and socialization of kids of
welfare moms, you need to start with more promising DNA.

"Enough Money"
 

Planet Earth is entering a mini Ice age right now.
cuhulin

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Oranges used to be grown as far North as North Carolina.There are some
Palm Trees in Ireland.Palm Trees are being planted on the Mississippi
Gulf Coast.There used to be Palm Trees there before, years ago.
Maybe I will plant a Palm Tree in doggy's front yard.Tomorrow morning I
am going to Hutto's yard and garden center on Ellis Ave for grass seed.I
will ask them about Palm Trees.I Likes Palm Trees.
cuhulin

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On 05/25/2010 03:22 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
On May 25, 1:54 pm, (F. Prefect) wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2010 13:22:04 -0700, Bill
wrote:





On 05/25/2010 03:56 AM, SPierce wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
...
(snipped)
You know it and I know it, but it will probably never happen. Average
people will just try to block any progress in this genetic engineering
experiment (voluntary of course).
big sigh
Bill Baka

# Waste of effort anyway. The Africans are multiplying like the plague
through white people feeding them and treating their diseases.

Yeah, tell me about it. We have been sending food for those starving
children for about 40 years now and they grow up and make still more
starving children. Some of the adults who once were starving children
just grow up to be militants toting AK-47's and grenade launchers. If we
didn't have so many bleeding hearts in this country nature could just
take it's course.
It is a lose, lose, lose even worse situation.
Sorry about the 'Reality', but that is what it is.
Bill Baka

On the mark. The North American midwest, and the US as a whole for
that matter is the ONE and ONLY means of keeping alive a World
population that could not support half of current numbers without US
agricultural production.

Many believe that the drought/dustbowl of the 30s was some kind of a
500 year even in which almost no rainfall occured. Actually most
areas recieved 50% of normal rainfall. Plenty of rainfall to support
prairy grasses, but not corn or wheat. Such sever droughts are NOT
500 year events, but occur regularly every several decades.

A drop of as little as 25% in US food production in one year would
have devasting effects in many regions, and should the drought
continue for 3-5 years as was the case in the 30s, we would see
anarchy in many areas.

CURRENT World populations simply cannot be supported indefinetly, much
less continued growth.

It;s a ticking timebomb.

F. Prefect
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.....Douglas Adams- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bingo, and the big aquifers - like the Ogalalla under the southern
Great Plains - have been drained almost dry too. We really need to
reel back our numbers, nationally by at least half, and worldwide by
an order of magnitude.

Well, as I said 6.5 billion as too much already. We need to shrink the
population down to maybe 2 billion to live comfortably and only 1
billion to leave in relative luxury.

"Enough Money"
 

On Tue, 25 May 2010 23:08:25 -0700, Bill Baka
wrote:

On 05/25/2010 03:22 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
On May 25, 1:54 pm, (F. Prefect) wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2010 13:22:04 -0700, Bill
wrote:





On 05/25/2010 03:56 AM, SPierce wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
...
(snipped)
You know it and I know it, but it will probably never happen. Average
people will just try to block any progress in this genetic engineering
experiment (voluntary of course).
big sigh
Bill Baka

# Waste of effort anyway. The Africans are multiplying like the plague
through white people feeding them and treating their diseases.

Yeah, tell me about it. We have been sending food for those starving
children for about 40 years now and they grow up and make still more
starving children. Some of the adults who once were starving children
just grow up to be militants toting AK-47's and grenade launchers. If we
didn't have so many bleeding hearts in this country nature could just
take it's course.
It is a lose, lose, lose even worse situation.
Sorry about the 'Reality', but that is what it is.
Bill Baka

On the mark. The North American midwest, and the US as a whole for
that matter is the ONE and ONLY means of keeping alive a World
population that could not support half of current numbers without US
agricultural production.

Many believe that the drought/dustbowl of the 30s was some kind of a
500 year even in which almost no rainfall occured. Actually most
areas recieved 50% of normal rainfall. Plenty of rainfall to support
prairy grasses, but not corn or wheat. Such sever droughts are NOT
500 year events, but occur regularly every several decades.

A drop of as little as 25% in US food production in one year would
have devasting effects in many regions, and should the drought
continue for 3-5 years as was the case in the 30s, we would see
anarchy in many areas.

CURRENT World populations simply cannot be supported indefinetly, much
less continued growth.

It;s a ticking timebomb.

F. Prefect
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.....Douglas Adams- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bingo, and the big aquifers - like the Ogalalla under the southern
Great Plains - have been drained almost dry too. We really need to
reel back our numbers, nationally by at least half, and worldwide by
an order of magnitude.

Well, as I said 6.5 billion as too much already. We need to shrink the
population down to maybe 2 billion to live comfortably and only 1
billion to leave in relative luxury.

Advances in science and technology have allow for what for all entents
and purposes is a population that simply cannot be sustained over the
long term. Mother Nature holds the ultimate trump card.

Unfortunetely for many, your numbers may be quite accurate.

F. Prefect
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.....Douglas Adams

"Enough Money"
 

On May 26, 7:13*am, (F. Prefect) wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2010 23:08:25 -0700, Bill Baka
wrote:





On 05/25/2010 03:22 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
On May 25, 1:54 pm, (F. Prefect) wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2010 13:22:04 -0700, Bill
wrote:

On 05/25/2010 03:56 AM, SPierce wrote:
"Bill * *wrote in message
...
(snipped)
You know it and I know it, but it will probably never happen. Average
people will just try to block any progress in this genetic engineering
experiment (voluntary of course).
big sigh
Bill Baka

# Waste of effort anyway. *The Africans are multiplying like the plague
through white people feeding them and treating their diseases.

Yeah, tell me about it. We have been sending food for those starving
children for about 40 years now and they grow up and make still more
starving children. Some of the adults who once were starving children
just grow up to be militants toting AK-47's and grenade launchers. If we
didn't have so many bleeding hearts in this country nature could just
take it's course.
It is a lose, lose, lose even worse situation.
Sorry about the 'Reality', but that is what it is.
Bill Baka

On the mark. *The North American midwest, and the US as a whole for
that matter is the ONE and ONLY means of keeping alive a World
population that could not support half of current numbers without US
agricultural production.

Many believe that the drought/dustbowl of the 30s was some kind of a
500 year even in which almost no rainfall occured. *Actually most
areas recieved 50% of normal rainfall. *Plenty of rainfall to support
prairy grasses, but not corn or wheat. *Such sever droughts are NOT
500 year events, but occur *regularly every several decades.

A drop of as little as 25% in US food production in one year would
have devasting effects in many regions, and should the drought
continue for 3-5 years as was the case in the 30s, we would see
anarchy in many areas.

CURRENT World populations simply cannot be supported indefinetly, much
less continued growth.

It;s a ticking timebomb.

F. Prefect
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Bingo, and the big aquifers - like the Ogalalla under the southern
Great Plains - have been drained almost dry too. *We really need to
reel back our numbers, nationally by at least half, and worldwide by
an order of magnitude.

Well, as I said 6.5 billion as too much already. We need to shrink the
population down to maybe 2 billion to live comfortably and only 1
billion to leave in relative luxury.

Advances in science and technology have allow for what for all entents
and purposes is a population that simply cannot be sustained over the
long term. *Mother Nature holds the ultimate trump card.

Unfortunetely for many, your numbers may be quite accurate.

F. Prefect
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I think an order of magnitude drop - well under a billion - is
probably more like it. What other large, gluttonous mammal numbers
anywhere near what we humans do?

We could do this in three generations if every couple just had one
child born and then grow to maturity.

(sigh)

"Enough Money"
 

On May 19, 12:15*pm, dave wrote:
Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
dave wrote:
[...]

Amassing wealth beyond your needs is immoral

As a poor person financially who totally opposes what the billionaire
media and corporations are doing to our world and who has sacrificed a
great deal for taking that stand, I certainly can't be accused of being
a shill for them.

But doesn't your moral statement above require a commissar or committee
to decide what my -- and my family's -- "needs" are?

I do not wish to live under such rulers, who would be no better than the
current oligarchs.

And, in fact, it is quite natural for superior men and women to create
and amass more than they can currently use. This is the basis for
leisure time, and without leisure time, and the freedom it brings from
Man's constant scrambling for the necessities, there would be no
philosophy -- or art -- or science.

and Unamerican.
[...]

What a bizarre claim. Washington and Madison and Jefferson wouldn't, I
think, have concurred.

However, we may have some points of agreement.

People can make all the money they want, as long as they pay their fair
share of taxes. *The wealthy pay way less, as a percentage of their
income, as any other demographic. *Going after the Swiss banks is a good
start.

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With you, Dave.

A person's basic commodity needs are good quality food, clothing of
appropriate warmth and somewhat better than decent shelter.
Everything else is a luxury to some extent. Nothing against luxury -
I love it...but it is pretty tough to argue that a person making over
100,000k per annum in 2010 is not living *substantially* beyond his
needs, unless he's supportng a family of 20. Should it all be taken
away? Of course not - if he earned it. But, when a person has
amassed, say, $10,000,000 and continues to suck up the wealth, it's
pretty hard to find an excuse for that when it could be helping
desperate but hard-working people have the basic needs of life. Not
luxury - just basic needs.

Bruce

"Enough Money"
 

bpnjensen wrote:
But, when a person has
amassed, say, $10,000,000 and continues to suck up the wealth, it's
pretty hard to find an excuse for that when it could be helping
desperate but hard-working people have the basic needs of life. Not
luxury - just basic needs.
[...]


But it is _exactly_ that kind of "redistribution" that causes the
proliferation and out-of-control reproduction of the problem-makers.
Absent such support, they'd have far less ability to increase their
biomass. If such aid were linked to a foolproof means of ensuring
that their gene-patterns would not reproduce, it would be a
different story.

And re millionaires:

It's the $10- or $20-million guys who have the best potential of
mounting a serious challenge to the billionaire oligarchs. That's
why those oligarchs _love_ "soak the rich" tax policies and promote
them in their media. It keeps their potential competition down.

Putin had a better way of dealing with oligarchs. Jail them for
their financial crimes and seize their ill-gotten fortunes, while
leaving the productive and inventive wealthy alone to benefit the
Nation.


With all good wishes,



Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/

"Enough Money"
 

On May 26, 7:57*am, Kevin Alfred Strom
wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:
But, when a person has
amassed, say, $10,000,000 and continues to suck up the wealth, it's
pretty hard to find an excuse for that when it could be helping
desperate but hard-working people have the basic needs of life. *Not
luxury - just basic needs.

[...]

But it is _exactly_ that kind of "redistribution" that causes the
proliferation and out-of-control reproduction of the problem-makers.
Absent such support, they'd have far less ability to increase their
biomass. If such aid were linked to a foolproof means of ensuring
that their gene-patterns would not reproduce, it would be a
different story.

And re millionaires:

It's the $10- or $20-million guys who have the best potential of
mounting a serious challenge to the billionaire oligarchs. That's
why those oligarchs _love_ "soak the rich" tax policies and promote
them in their media. It keeps their potential competition down.

Putin had a better way of dealing with oligarchs. Jail them for
their financial crimes and seize their ill-gotten fortunes, while
leaving the productive and inventive wealthy alone to benefit the
Nation.

With all good wishes,

Kevin Alfred Strom.
--http://kevinalfredstrom.com/

WRT the last item - THAT is pretty tough to argue with!

"Enough Money"
 

If they (''They'') get rid of billions of people, (That Will NEVER
HAPPEN! BELIEVE YOU ME!) there will be a lot of highly ****ed off
people, alive or dead.
cuhulin

"Enough Money"
 

On 05/26/2010 07:13 AM, F. Prefect wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2010 23:08:25 -0700, Bill
wrote:

On 05/25/2010 03:22 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
On May 25, 1:54 pm, (F. Prefect) wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2010 13:22:04 -0700, Bill
wrote:





On 05/25/2010 03:56 AM, SPierce wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
...
(snipped)
You know it and I know it, but it will probably never happen. Average
people will just try to block any progress in this genetic engineering
experiment (voluntary of course).
big sigh
Bill Baka

# Waste of effort anyway. The Africans are multiplying like the plague
through white people feeding them and treating their diseases.

Yeah, tell me about it. We have been sending food for those starving
children for about 40 years now and they grow up and make still more
starving children. Some of the adults who once were starving children
just grow up to be militants toting AK-47's and grenade launchers. If we
didn't have so many bleeding hearts in this country nature could just
take it's course.
It is a lose, lose, lose even worse situation.
Sorry about the 'Reality', but that is what it is.
Bill Baka

On the mark. The North American midwest, and the US as a whole for
that matter is the ONE and ONLY means of keeping alive a World
population that could not support half of current numbers without US
agricultural production.

Many believe that the drought/dustbowl of the 30s was some kind of a
500 year even in which almost no rainfall occured. Actually most
areas recieved 50% of normal rainfall. Plenty of rainfall to support
prairy grasses, but not corn or wheat. Such sever droughts are NOT
500 year events, but occur regularly every several decades.

A drop of as little as 25% in US food production in one year would
have devasting effects in many regions, and should the drought
continue for 3-5 years as was the case in the 30s, we would see
anarchy in many areas.

CURRENT World populations simply cannot be supported indefinetly, much
less continued growth.

It;s a ticking timebomb.

F. Prefect
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- Show quoted text -

Bingo, and the big aquifers - like the Ogalalla under the southern
Great Plains - have been drained almost dry too. We really need to
reel back our numbers, nationally by at least half, and worldwide by
an order of magnitude.

Well, as I said 6.5 billion as too much already. We need to shrink the
population down to maybe 2 billion to live comfortably and only 1
billion to leave in relative luxury.

Advances in science and technology have allow for what for all entents
and purposes is a population that simply cannot be sustained over the
long term. Mother Nature holds the ultimate trump card.

Unfortunetely for many, your numbers may be quite accurate.

F. Prefect
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.....Douglas Adams

This is one time I wish I was wrong but the math doesn't lie. People
keep thinking technology will allow unlimited population growth but it
can't happen. Even the oceans are just about fished out but people just
see the pretty blue water and don't think about what is happening below
the surface.
Reality is a bitch, but we can't alter the fact that we will wipe out
the planet.
Bill Baka

"Enough Money"
 

On 05/26/2010 07:33 AM, bpnjensen wrote:
On May 26, 7:13 am, (F. Prefect) wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2010 23:08:25 -0700, Bill
wrote:





On 05/25/2010 03:22 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
On May 25, 1:54 pm, (F. Prefect) wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2010 13:22:04 -0700, Bill
wrote:

On 05/25/2010 03:56 AM, SPierce wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
...
(snipped)
You know it and I know it, but it will probably never happen. Average
people will just try to block any progress in this genetic engineering
experiment (voluntary of course).
big sigh
Bill Baka

# Waste of effort anyway. The Africans are multiplying like the plague
through white people feeding them and treating their diseases.

Yeah, tell me about it. We have been sending food for those starving
children for about 40 years now and they grow up and make still more
starving children. Some of the adults who once were starving children
just grow up to be militants toting AK-47's and grenade launchers. If we
didn't have so many bleeding hearts in this country nature could just
take it's course.
It is a lose, lose, lose even worse situation.
Sorry about the 'Reality', but that is what it is.
Bill Baka

On the mark. The North American midwest, and the US as a whole for
that matter is the ONE and ONLY means of keeping alive a World
population that could not support half of current numbers without US
agricultural production.

Many believe that the drought/dustbowl of the 30s was some kind of a
500 year even in which almost no rainfall occured. Actually most
areas recieved 50% of normal rainfall. Plenty of rainfall to support
prairy grasses, but not corn or wheat. Such sever droughts are NOT
500 year events, but occur regularly every several decades.

A drop of as little as 25% in US food production in one year would
have devasting effects in many regions, and should the drought
continue for 3-5 years as was the case in the 30s, we would see
anarchy in many areas.

CURRENT World populations simply cannot be supported indefinetly, much
less continued growth.

It;s a ticking timebomb.

F. Prefect
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.....Douglas Adams- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bingo, and the big aquifers - like the Ogalalla under the southern
Great Plains - have been drained almost dry too. We really need to
reel back our numbers, nationally by at least half, and worldwide by
an order of magnitude.

Well, as I said 6.5 billion as too much already. We need to shrink the
population down to maybe 2 billion to live comfortably and only 1
billion to leave in relative luxury.

Advances in science and technology have allow for what for all entents
and purposes is a population that simply cannot be sustained over the
long term. Mother Nature holds the ultimate trump card.

Unfortunetely for many, your numbers may be quite accurate.

F. Prefect
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.....Douglas Adams- Hide quoted text -

I think an order of magnitude drop - well under a billion - is
probably more like it. What other large, gluttonous mammal numbers
anywhere near what we humans do?

None. And none have the power to recklessly destroy the planet, but we
sure can thanks to 'technology'.

We could do this in three generations if every couple just had one
child born and then grow to maturity.

Never gonna happen. Catholics, or Christians seem to think they are
ordained to have as many kids as they can. We might get up to the 8
billion mark before we have a catastrophic event, like a super volcano
putting us in the permanent winter for 3 years or so. It has happened
before and many people just starved to death. Yellowstone is a prime
candidate as it is known to be a super volcano. If it erupts It would
not only take out a few stated but the ash in the stratosphere would
give us a 3 or 4 year winter.
Human nature is "Me, Me, and Me", so get ready.
Bill Baka

(sigh)

"Enough Money"
 

On May 26, 10:30*am, Bill Baka wrote:
On 05/26/2010 07:33 AM, bpnjensen wrote:





On May 26, 7:13 am, (F. Prefect) wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2010 23:08:25 -0700, Bill
wrote:

On 05/25/2010 03:22 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
On May 25, 1:54 pm, (F. Prefect) wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2010 13:22:04 -0700, Bill
wrote:

On 05/25/2010 03:56 AM, SPierce wrote:
"Bill * * *wrote in message
...
(snipped)
You know it and I know it, but it will probably never happen. Average
people will just try to block any progress in this genetic engineering
experiment (voluntary of course).
big sigh
Bill Baka

# Waste of effort anyway. *The Africans are multiplying like the plague
through white people feeding them and treating their diseases.

Yeah, tell me about it. We have been sending food for those starving
children for about 40 years now and they grow up and make still more
starving children. Some of the adults who once were starving children
just grow up to be militants toting AK-47's and grenade launchers. If we
didn't have so many bleeding hearts in this country nature could just
take it's course.
It is a lose, lose, lose even worse situation.
Sorry about the 'Reality', but that is what it is.
Bill Baka

On the mark. *The North American midwest, and the US as a whole for
that matter is the ONE and ONLY means of keeping alive a World
population that could not support half of current numbers without US
agricultural production.

Many believe that the drought/dustbowl of the 30s was some kind of a
500 year even in which almost no rainfall occured. *Actually most
areas recieved 50% of normal rainfall. *Plenty of rainfall to support
prairy grasses, but not corn or wheat. *Such sever droughts are NOT
500 year events, but occur *regularly every several decades.

A drop of as little as 25% in US food production in one year would
have devasting effects in many regions, and should the drought
continue for 3-5 years as was the case in the 30s, we would see
anarchy in many areas.

CURRENT World populations simply cannot be supported indefinetly, much
less continued growth.

It;s a ticking timebomb.

F. Prefect
In the beginning the Universe was created. *This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.....Douglas Adams- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bingo, and the big aquifers - like the Ogalalla under the southern
Great Plains - have been drained almost dry too. *We really need to
reel back our numbers, nationally by at least half, and worldwide by
an order of magnitude.

Well, as I said 6.5 billion as too much already. We need to shrink the
population down to maybe 2 billion to live comfortably and only 1
billion to leave in relative luxury.

Advances in science and technology have allow for what for all entents
and purposes is a population that simply cannot be sustained over the
long term. *Mother Nature holds the ultimate trump card.

Unfortunetely for many, your numbers may be quite accurate.

F. Prefect
In the beginning the Universe was created. *This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.....Douglas Adams- Hide quoted text -

I think an order of magnitude drop - well under a billion - is
probably more like it. *What other large, gluttonous mammal numbers
anywhere near what we humans do?

None. And none have the power to recklessly destroy the planet, but we
sure can thanks to 'technology'.



We could do this in three generations if every couple just had one
child born and then grow to maturity.

Never gonna happen. Catholics, or Christians seem to think they are
ordained to have as many kids as they can. We might get up to the 8
billion mark before we have a catastrophic event, like a super volcano
putting us in the permanent winter for 3 years or so. It has happened
before and many people just starved to death. Yellowstone is a prime
candidate as it is known to be a super volcano. If it erupts It would
not only take out a few stated but the ash in the stratosphere would
give us a 3 or 4 year winter.
Human nature is "Me, Me, and Me", so get ready.
Bill Baka





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Yellowstone is my favorite place, bar none. May it last unexploded as
least as long as I (and my son) shall live...after that, Kablooey!

"Enough Money"
 

On 05/26/2010 11:03 AM, Bob Dobbs wrote:
Bill Baka wrote:

We could do this in three generations if every couple just had one
child born and then grow to maturity.

Never gonna happen. Catholics, or Christians seem to think they are
ordained to have as many kids as they can.

It's the cockroach survival strategy whereby they're more offspring to scurry
beneath the fridge than a home dweller can stomp when the lights come on.
Allows an abdication of responsible thought and prudent planning
for the outcome of the human species.
IOW: let go - let god

Amen. Roger that. 10-4.
Bill Baka

"Enough Money"
 

On May 26, 11:17*am, Bob Dobbs wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:

Yellowstone is my favorite place, bar none. *May it last unexploded as
least as long as I (and my son) shall live...after that, Kablooey!

Nothing like the eery mist of a fumarole in the early morning sunlight.

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

Amen.

"Enough Money"
 

I remember a group of upscale well educated upper income people living
in a communal house in New Orleans. Since each only had to support a
room, and only their share of the commons like the kitchen & living
room, the per capita carbon footprint was low enuf, that on a global
basis, it could support 8 or more billions.

The nuclear family house is not sustainable.

"Enough Money"
 

On 05/26/2010 05:04 PM, Day Brown wrote:
I remember a group of upscale well educated upper income people living
in a communal house in New Orleans. Since each only had to support a
room, and only their share of the commons like the kitchen & living
room, the per capita carbon footprint was low enuf, that on a global
basis, it could support 8 or more billions.

The nuclear family house is not sustainable.

Not only won't work, but silly to even think that way. 8 billion can't
be fed for very long.

"Enough Money"
 

On 05/26/2010 01:14 PM, F. Prefect wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2010 10:30:43 -0700, Bill
wrote:

We could do this in three generations if every couple just had one
child born and then grow to maturity.

Never gonna happen. Catholics, or Christians seem to think they are
ordained to have as many kids as they can. We might get up to the 8
billion mark before we have a catastrophic event, like a super volcano
putting us in the permanent winter for 3 years or so. It has happened
before and many people just starved to death. Yellowstone is a prime
candidate as it is known to be a super volcano. If it erupts It would
not only take out a few stated but the ash in the stratosphere would
give us a 3 or 4 year winter.
Human nature is "Me, Me, and Me", so get ready.
Bill Baka

(sigh)
Excellent points. Without the North American "bread basket" I doubt
the planet could support half that are alive today, and only a couple
of poor crop years could lead to the deads of millions.

The drought of the 1930s was no 1000 year event. Meteorologists and
geologists have shown it can occur every several decades and amounted
to only an approx. 50% decrease in annual rainfall. The Ogallala
Aquifer would of course be of some help, but much of it is located in
areas that REQUIRE irrigation given "normal" seasonal rainfall, and
water tables have already seen significant falls in many areas
prompting a ban on further well drilling. IMO the current World
population is a giant ticking timebomb.

Bingo. Right on the mark. The **** will hit the fan at some point and
not too far in the future. 2012 might be a very interesting year.
Bill Baka

"Enough Money"
 

On 05/26/2010 02:33 PM, SPierce wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
...
(snipped)
Never gonna happen. Catholics, or Christians seem to think they are
ordained to have as many kids as they can. .
Bill Baka


# Actually, the Christian nations are not breeding enough to maintain their
culture. Europe is in serious decline as far as numbers of white
Christians go. The problems of overpopulation are in Africa and India and
the Muslim countries....the ones that can't produce enough food to feed
themselves but have large families anyway.

God will provide...they still think, but America ends up sending them food
and gets called the Great Satan. Easy to see where the brains got
distributed.

Although India is now self-sustaining since the Americans bred some miracle
rice for them. Another big Christian inspired mistake.


I do have to wonder why the underclass is so intent on over-breeding and
lowering the collective IQ of the human race. I think we are in
de-evolution mode. What ever happened to survival of the fittest??
Bill Baka

"Enough Money"
 

"Bill Baka" wrote in message
...

What ever happened to survival of the fittest??

Civilization.

"Enough Money"
 

On 05/26/2010 06:00 PM, Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
...

What ever happened to survival of the fittest??

Civilization.


Right on the mark.

"Enough Money"
 

Overpopulation is NONSENSE!

Overpolulation, people will be harping on that a hundred, a thousand, a
million years from now.
cuhulin