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cuhulin

On Jun 11, 9:34*am, wrote:
Durn Tootin! Drill em Full of Lead! ~ George ''Gabby'' Hayes.http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=290913

And the way B.O.Plenty used to spit in those old Dick Tracy comic books
I used to read back in the 1940s.

I got an email yesterday from that married Irish woman wayyyyyyyyyy over
yonder across the big pond.She said she hasen't heard didly squat from
me in quite a while.
I reckon I better email her.

http://ingeb.org/songs/othentel.html
cuhulin

Well, now *we* feel special - WE hear didly squat from you every day!

Yeah, in fact of the business, Ergo the heat and the humidity outside
(you don't know what Mississippi Summertimes are like and I am not as
young and spry like I used to be) and Ergo I am still working on my
house, I am taking me twice as many bareques than usual.Ergo, I Can and
I Do.
cuhulin

On Jun 11, 1:40*pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:

Metal Halide lamps, especially unshielded, are the pits. *Brilliant,
sky-obscuring, and hard to overcome with normal amateur filter
equipment.

I remember MHs as having a discontinuous spectrum
with about five distinct resonance points
so you would have to combine filtration,
unlike the monochromatic LPS lights.
They probably have some IR and UV too
but I only looked at the visible range in my spectrographic device.

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

Thanks for this, Bob. We have filters that can filter out more than
one wavelength, and we can stack filters up to a point - but none that
will cut all five of the spikes, and too many stacked means you also
lose precious desirable light. We also have broader band filters
designed to cut general LP that would probably address all five, but
these filters are also weaker than the stronger line filters. You are
right about LPS, it's a snap to filter - which is why it's been
encouraged for cities near major observatories, such as Lick, Mt.
Wilson (now pretty much useless) and Palomar.

Of course, just as in radio an RF quiet area is best, so in astronomy
nothing beats a good rural or wilderness *dark* sky.

Bruce Jensen
California

wrote:
LED traffic lights and LED sidewalk lights don't put out any heat to
melt the ice and snow in the Wintertime.There were problems with that
last Winter, especially with traffic lights.Sooooo, if they have to wind
up rigging up some way to keep the ice and snow from obscuring those LED
lights, where is the energy savings? Last Winter, in some parts of
America, they had trucks going around and spraying deicing
fluid/whatever kind of fluid on some LED traffic lights.Not much savings
(Money) there either.
cuhulin


Are you saying one size does not fit all?

bpnjensen wrote:
On Jun 11, 1:40 pm, Bob wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:

Metal Halide lamps, especially unshielded, are the pits. Brilliant,
sky-obscuring, and hard to overcome with normal amateur filter
equipment.

I remember MHs as having a discontinuous spectrum
with about five distinct resonance points
so you would have to combine filtration,
unlike the monochromatic LPS lights.
They probably have some IR and UV too
but I only looked at the visible range in my spectrographic device.

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

Thanks for this, Bob. We have filters that can filter out more than
one wavelength, and we can stack filters up to a point - but none that
will cut all five of the spikes, and too many stacked means you also
lose precious desirable light. We also have broader band filters
designed to cut general LP that would probably address all five, but
these filters are also weaker than the stronger line filters. You are
right about LPS, it's a snap to filter - which is why it's been
encouraged for cities near major observatories, such as Lick, Mt.
Wilson (now pretty much useless) and Palomar.

Of course, just as in radio an RF quiet area is best, so in astronomy
nothing beats a good rural or wilderness *dark* sky.

Bruce Jensen
California

As Wilson is primarily a solar observatory these days, I doubt the gas
mixture in the street lamps is very important. I am 18 miles NNW of
Wilson at 1,790', and I can see the Milky Way from my back yard.

On Jun 12, 5:08*am, dave wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:
On Jun 11, 1:40 pm, Bob *wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:

Metal Halide lamps, especially unshielded, are the pits. *Brilliant,
sky-obscuring, and hard to overcome with normal amateur filter
equipment.

I remember MHs as having a discontinuous spectrum
with about five distinct resonance points
so you would have to combine filtration,
unlike the monochromatic LPS lights.
They probably have some IR and UV too
but I only looked at the visible range in my spectrographic device.

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

Thanks for this, Bob. *We have filters that can filter out more than
one wavelength, and we can stack filters up to a point - but none that
will cut all five of the spikes, and too many stacked means you also
lose precious desirable light. *We also have broader band filters
designed to cut general LP that would probably address all five, but
these filters are also weaker than the stronger line filters. *You are
right about LPS, it's a snap to filter - which is why it's been
encouraged for cities near major observatories, such as Lick, Mt.
Wilson (now pretty much useless) and Palomar.

Of course, just as in radio an RF quiet area is best, so in astronomy
nothing beats a good rural or wilderness *dark* sky.

Bruce Jensen
California

As Wilson is primarily a solar observatory these days, I doubt the gas
mixture in the street lamps is very important. *I am 18 miles NNW of
Wilson at 1,790', and I can see the Milky Way from my back yard.

That's why it's primarily a solar observatory - the LP from LA has
rendered it useless for dark sky astro. 18 miles can make a big
difference...but it takes a REALLY dark sky for the Milky Way to throw
shadows...

bpnjensen wrote:

On Jun 12, 5:08 am, dave wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:
On Jun 11, 1:40 pm, Bob wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:

Metal Halide lamps, especially unshielded, are the pits. Brilliant,
sky-obscuring, and hard to overcome with normal amateur filter
equipment.

I remember MHs as having a discontinuous spectrum
with about five distinct resonance points
so you would have to combine filtration,
unlike the monochromatic LPS lights.
They probably have some IR and UV too
but I only looked at the visible range in my spectrographic device.

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

Thanks for this, Bob. We have filters that can filter out more than
one wavelength, and we can stack filters up to a point - but none that
will cut all five of the spikes, and too many stacked means you also
lose precious desirable light. We also have broader band filters
designed to cut general LP that would probably address all five, but
these filters are also weaker than the stronger line filters. You are
right about LPS, it's a snap to filter - which is why it's been
encouraged for cities near major observatories, such as Lick, Mt.
Wilson (now pretty much useless) and Palomar.

Of course, just as in radio an RF quiet area is best, so in astronomy
nothing beats a good rural or wilderness *dark* sky.

Bruce Jensen
California

As Wilson is primarily a solar observatory these days, I doubt the gas
mixture in the street lamps is very important. I am 18 miles NNW of
Wilson at 1,790', and I can see the Milky Way from my back yard.

That's why it's primarily a solar observatory - the LP from LA has
rendered it useless for dark sky astro. 18 miles can make a big
difference...but it takes a REALLY dark sky for the Milky Way to throw
shadows...

Might it be really dark when Arizona cuts off the juice?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On Jun 12, 9:32*am, dxAce wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:
On Jun 12, 5:08 am, dave wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:
On Jun 11, 1:40 pm, Bob *wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:

Metal Halide lamps, especially unshielded, are the pits. *Brilliant,
sky-obscuring, and hard to overcome with normal amateur filter
equipment.

I remember MHs as having a discontinuous spectrum
with about five distinct resonance points
so you would have to combine filtration,
unlike the monochromatic LPS lights.
They probably have some IR and UV too
but I only looked at the visible range in my spectrographic device..

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

Thanks for this, Bob. *We have filters that can filter out more than
one wavelength, and we can stack filters up to a point - but none that
will cut all five of the spikes, and too many stacked means you also
lose precious desirable light. *We also have broader band filters
designed to cut general LP that would probably address all five, but
these filters are also weaker than the stronger line filters. *You are
right about LPS, it's a snap to filter - which is why it's been
encouraged for cities near major observatories, such as Lick, Mt.
Wilson (now pretty much useless) and Palomar.

Of course, just as in radio an RF quiet area is best, so in astronomy
nothing beats a good rural or wilderness *dark* sky.

Bruce Jensen
California

As Wilson is primarily a solar observatory these days, I doubt the gas
mixture in the street lamps is very important. *I am 18 miles NNW of
Wilson at 1,790', and I can see the Milky Way from my back yard.

That's why it's primarily a solar observatory - the LP from LA has
rendered it useless for dark sky astro. *18 miles can make a big
difference...but it takes a REALLY dark sky for the Milky Way to throw
shadows...

Might it be really dark when Arizona cuts off the juice?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

We can only hope - I'll move to LA if that happens!

dxAce wrote:

bpnjensen wrote:

On Jun 12, 5:08 am, dave wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:
On Jun 11, 1:40 pm, Bob wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:

Metal Halide lamps, especially unshielded, are the pits. Brilliant,
sky-obscuring, and hard to overcome with normal amateur filter
equipment.

I remember MHs as having a discontinuous spectrum
with about five distinct resonance points
so you would have to combine filtration,
unlike the monochromatic LPS lights.
They probably have some IR and UV too
but I only looked at the visible range in my spectrographic device.

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

Thanks for this, Bob. We have filters that can filter out more than
one wavelength, and we can stack filters up to a point - but none that
will cut all five of the spikes, and too many stacked means you also
lose precious desirable light. We also have broader band filters
designed to cut general LP that would probably address all five, but
these filters are also weaker than the stronger line filters. You are
right about LPS, it's a snap to filter - which is why it's been
encouraged for cities near major observatories, such as Lick, Mt.
Wilson (now pretty much useless) and Palomar.

Of course, just as in radio an RF quiet area is best, so in astronomy
nothing beats a good rural or wilderness *dark* sky.

Bruce Jensen
California

As Wilson is primarily a solar observatory these days, I doubt the gas
mixture in the street lamps is very important. I am 18 miles NNW of
Wilson at 1,790', and I can see the Milky Way from my back yard.

That's why it's primarily a solar observatory - the LP from LA has
rendered it useless for dark sky astro. 18 miles can make a big
difference...but it takes a REALLY dark sky for the Milky Way to throw
shadows...

Might it be really dark when Arizona cuts off the juice?

Hopin' that they might teach the clown 'tards out in CA a lesson, don'tcha
know.

dxAce
Michigan
USA