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Why Obama Should Kick His Own Ass
On 6/21/10 13:42 , rod wrote:
On Jun 21, 9:23 am, wrote: On Jun 21, 8:08 am, "D. Peter wrote: On 6/21/10 09:41 , bpnjensen wrote: My PC runs off solar. Which equipment are you using to achieve that? This is at work. Here at work, we have a large array over the parking lot that supplies a bunch of energy to our complex every day, rain or shine, and it's prtety efficient. I don't know the manufacturer, but I could find out. Extra to run back to the grid, too. That meter turns backwards starting shortly after sunrise and won't quit all day. Our land use policies encourage solar on every rooftop and parking lot around. We're looking for ways to subsidize those as much as possible. I have been given to understand that Alameda County, as an entity, uses a higher ratio of solar energy than any other County in the U.S. - but that may have changed. We're trying :-) At home, my not-too-distant future intent is to get a substantial solar panel on the rooftop, maybe even a small wind turbine to augment. We're breezy enough here so that such a system would be worthwhile. I'd have to think about a storage battery or fuel cell. Maybe a compressed air storage system? There are some other technologies coming around too. I'm a big fan of Thorium nuclear, which is going to be coming aboard in India, China, maybe France in the next few years. Working prototypes have been around for decades, some industries use small versions right now. Much less troublesome than U or Pu nuclear in every respect, and plenty of fuel for hundreds of years - until we get Fusion working. Bruce Jensen ****Hey Blow Job Jensen, STFU! WTF! Big f%cking deal your laptop runs on "solar". STFU BJ. And your meter runs backwards all day "selling back into the grid". STFU! We all know one thing for sure, YOU DIDN't PAY for any of it so shut your pie hole. Yea, I'm sure you are going to rush right out and buy a gigantic solar panel for your roof and a wind turbine to supplement it, you @$$ H%LE! He might not. But I will. And I can run my entire radio operation on it all. In that sense, his information is useful. Which is why I asked for him to describe it. p |
Why Obama Should Kick His Own Ass
On Jun 21, 11:53*am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 6/21/10 13:42 , rod wrote: On Jun 21, 9:23 am, *wrote: On Jun 21, 8:08 am, "D. Peter *wrote: On 6/21/10 09:41 , bpnjensen wrote: My PC runs off solar. * * Which equipment are you using to achieve that? This is at work. *Here at work, we have a large array over the parking lot that supplies a bunch of energy to our complex every day, rain or shine, and it's prtety efficient. *I don't know the manufacturer, but I could find out. *Extra to run back to the grid, too. *That meter turns backwards starting shortly after sunrise and won't quit all day. Our land use policies encourage solar on every rooftop and parking lot around. *We're looking for ways to subsidize those as much as possible. *I have been given to understand that Alameda County, as an entity, uses a higher ratio of solar energy than any other County in the U.S. - but that may have changed. *We're trying :-) At home, my not-too-distant future intent is to get a substantial solar panel on the rooftop, maybe even a small wind turbine to augment. *We're breezy enough here so that such a system would be worthwhile. *I'd have to think about a storage battery or fuel cell. Maybe a compressed air storage system? *There are some other technologies coming around too. *I'm a big fan of Thorium nuclear, which is going to be coming aboard in India, China, maybe France in the next few years. *Working prototypes have been around for decades, some industries use small versions right now. *Much less troublesome than U or Pu nuclear in every respect, and plenty of fuel for hundreds of years - until we get Fusion working. Bruce Jensen ****Hey Blow Job Jensen, STFU! WTF! Big f%cking deal your laptop runs on "solar". STFU BJ. And your meter runs backwards all day "selling back into the grid". STFU! We all know one thing for sure, YOU DIDN't PAY for any of it so shut your pie hole. Yea, I'm sure you are going to rush right out and buy a gigantic solar panel for your roof and a wind turbine to supplement it, you @$$ H%LE! * *He might not. But I will. And I can run my entire radio operation on it all. In that sense, his information is useful. Which is why I asked for him to describe it. * *p- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Rod's a funny guy, eh? ;-) |
Why Obama Should Kick His Own Ass
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Why Obama Should Kick His Own Ass
On 6/21/10 14:20 , bpnjensen wrote:
On Jun 21, 11:53 am, "D. Peter wrote: On 6/21/10 13:42 , rod wrote: On Jun 21, 9:23 am, wrote: On Jun 21, 8:08 am, "D. Peter wrote: On 6/21/10 09:41 , bpnjensen wrote: My PC runs off solar. Which equipment are you using to achieve that? This is at work. Here at work, we have a large array over the parking lot that supplies a bunch of energy to our complex every day, rain or shine, and it's prtety efficient. I don't know the manufacturer, but I could find out. Extra to run back to the grid, too. That meter turns backwards starting shortly after sunrise and won't quit all day. Our land use policies encourage solar on every rooftop and parking lot around. We're looking for ways to subsidize those as much as possible. I have been given to understand that Alameda County, as an entity, uses a higher ratio of solar energy than any other County in the U.S. - but that may have changed. We're trying :-) At home, my not-too-distant future intent is to get a substantial solar panel on the rooftop, maybe even a small wind turbine to augment. We're breezy enough here so that such a system would be worthwhile. I'd have to think about a storage battery or fuel cell. Maybe a compressed air storage system? There are some other technologies coming around too. I'm a big fan of Thorium nuclear, which is going to be coming aboard in India, China, maybe France in the next few years. Working prototypes have been around for decades, some industries use small versions right now. Much less troublesome than U or Pu nuclear in every respect, and plenty of fuel for hundreds of years - until we get Fusion working. Bruce Jensen ****Hey Blow Job Jensen, STFU! WTF! Big f%cking deal your laptop runs on "solar". STFU BJ. And your meter runs backwards all day "selling back into the grid". STFU! We all know one thing for sure, YOU DIDN't PAY for any of it so shut your pie hole. Yea, I'm sure you are going to rush right out and buy a gigantic solar panel for your roof and a wind turbine to supplement it, you @$$ H%LE! He might not. But I will. And I can run my entire radio operation on it all. In that sense, his information is useful. Which is why I asked for him to describe it. p- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Rod's a funny guy, eh? ;-) Ya think? Rod's just another guy who can't countenance thinking that doesn't reflect his own. It's not like I've not encountered it before. I'm intrigued by the Thorium nuclear, though. That would seem to have promise. But if you can come up with a make of the solar panels you're using out there, I'd appreciate it. The solar we can get around here is installed according to local common practices. The vendors will come out and evaluate what they believe is your need (and there is frequently a difference between what you need and what they want you to need) calcuate a 75% limit of their evaluation, and they'll sell you that capacity. No more. So, I'm still looking for equipment that will meet my needs, stand up to the weather, here, and can be installed to my full demand capacity. I'd love to get off the grid. If for no other reasons than to **** them off. |
Why Obama Should Kick His Own Ass
On Jun 21, 12:49*pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 6/21/10 14:20 , bpnjensen wrote: On Jun 21, 11:53 am, "D. Peter *wrote: On 6/21/10 13:42 , rod wrote: On Jun 21, 9:23 am, * *wrote: On Jun 21, 8:08 am, "D. Peter * *wrote: On 6/21/10 09:41 , bpnjensen wrote: My PC runs off solar. * * *Which equipment are you using to achieve that? This is at work. *Here at work, we have a large array over the parking lot that supplies a bunch of energy to our complex every day, rain or shine, and it's prtety efficient. *I don't know the manufacturer, but I could find out. *Extra to run back to the grid, too. *That meter turns backwards starting shortly after sunrise and won't quit all day. Our land use policies encourage solar on every rooftop and parking lot around. *We're looking for ways to subsidize those as much as possible. *I have been given to understand that Alameda County, as an entity, uses a higher ratio of solar energy than any other County in the U.S. - but that may have changed. *We're trying :-) At home, my not-too-distant future intent is to get a substantial solar panel on the rooftop, maybe even a small wind turbine to augment. *We're breezy enough here so that such a system would be worthwhile. *I'd have to think about a storage battery or fuel cell. Maybe a compressed air storage system? *There are some other technologies coming around too. *I'm a big fan of Thorium nuclear, which is going to be coming aboard in India, China, maybe France in the next few years. *Working prototypes have been around for decades, some industries use small versions right now. *Much less troublesome than U or Pu nuclear in every respect, and plenty of fuel for hundreds of years - until we get Fusion working. Bruce Jensen ****Hey Blow Job Jensen, STFU! WTF! Big f%cking deal your laptop runs on "solar". STFU BJ. And your meter runs backwards all day "selling back into the grid". STFU! We all know one thing for sure, YOU DIDN't PAY for any of it so shut your pie hole. Yea, I'm sure you are going to rush right out and buy a gigantic solar panel for your roof and a wind turbine to supplement it, you @$$ H%LE! * * He might not. But I will. And I can run my entire radio operation on it all. In that sense, his information is useful. Which is why I asked for him to describe it. * * p- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Rod's a funny guy, eh? ;-) * *Ya think? Rod's just another guy who can't countenance thinking that doesn't reflect his own. * *It's not like I've not encountered it before. * *I'm intrigued by the Thorium nuclear, though. That would seem to have promise. * *But if you can come up with a make of the solar panels you're using out there, I'd appreciate it. * *The solar we can get around here is installed according to local common practices. The vendors will come out and evaluate what they believe is your need (and there is frequently a difference between what you need and what they want you to need) calcuate a 75% limit of their evaluation, and they'll sell you that capacity. No more. * *So, I'm still looking for equipment that will meet my needs, stand up to the weather, here, and can be installed to my full demand capacity. * *I'd love to get off the grid. If for no other reasons than to **** them off.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I think Rod's just a troll. I don't blame you one bit. We may have self-imposed limitations on proportional capacity here as well - at least until recently, it may have been possible for Pacific Gas & Electric to not approve a hookup of anything larger than the average daily use for the household - they really don't want to pay for any of the "backwash" from indepenedent users. There is a law that says they must pay for some tiny increment (a couple percent), and they have actually since voluntarily increased their allowance to about 2.5% since state law now requires them to increase their renewable portfolio over the next 10 years. If you wanted to be self-contained, they could not do anything about it. The manufacturer for our County facility may or may not do small jobs, but I can check for you. If I were you, and money was not a big object, I'd shoot for the most efficient panels available to help out on those dreariest winter days. Also bear in mind that a panel only puts out max energy when it is aimed straight at the sun's disc - otherwise it will vary roughly according to the cosine of the incident angle (I bet you knew that!). I'll see what I can find out. Bruce |
Why Obama Should Kick His Own Ass
On 6/21/10 15:40 , bpnjensen wrote:
On Jun 21, 12:49 pm, "D. Peter wrote: On 6/21/10 14:20 , bpnjensen wrote: On Jun 21, 11:53 am, "D. Peter wrote: On 6/21/10 13:42 , rod wrote: On Jun 21, 9:23 am, wrote: On Jun 21, 8:08 am, "D. Peter wrote: On 6/21/10 09:41 , bpnjensen wrote: My PC runs off solar. Which equipment are you using to achieve that? This is at work. Here at work, we have a large array over the parking lot that supplies a bunch of energy to our complex every day, rain or shine, and it's prtety efficient. I don't know the manufacturer, but I could find out. Extra to run back to the grid, too. That meter turns backwards starting shortly after sunrise and won't quit all day. Our land use policies encourage solar on every rooftop and parking lot around. We're looking for ways to subsidize those as much as possible. I have been given to understand that Alameda County, as an entity, uses a higher ratio of solar energy than any other County in the U.S. - but that may have changed. We're trying :-) At home, my not-too-distant future intent is to get a substantial solar panel on the rooftop, maybe even a small wind turbine to augment. We're breezy enough here so that such a system would be worthwhile. I'd have to think about a storage battery or fuel cell. Maybe a compressed air storage system? There are some other technologies coming around too. I'm a big fan of Thorium nuclear, which is going to be coming aboard in India, China, maybe France in the next few years. Working prototypes have been around for decades, some industries use small versions right now. Much less troublesome than U or Pu nuclear in every respect, and plenty of fuel for hundreds of years - until we get Fusion working. Bruce Jensen ****Hey Blow Job Jensen, STFU! WTF! Big f%cking deal your laptop runs on "solar". STFU BJ. And your meter runs backwards all day "selling back into the grid". STFU! We all know one thing for sure, YOU DIDN't PAY for any of it so shut your pie hole. Yea, I'm sure you are going to rush right out and buy a gigantic solar panel for your roof and a wind turbine to supplement it, you @$$ H%LE! He might not. But I will. And I can run my entire radio operation on it all. In that sense, his information is useful. Which is why I asked for him to describe it. p- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Rod's a funny guy, eh? ;-) Ya think? Rod's just another guy who can't countenance thinking that doesn't reflect his own. It's not like I've not encountered it before. I'm intrigued by the Thorium nuclear, though. That would seem to have promise. But if you can come up with a make of the solar panels you're using out there, I'd appreciate it. The solar we can get around here is installed according to local common practices. The vendors will come out and evaluate what they believe is your need (and there is frequently a difference between what you need and what they want you to need) calcuate a 75% limit of their evaluation, and they'll sell you that capacity. No more. So, I'm still looking for equipment that will meet my needs, stand up to the weather, here, and can be installed to my full demand capacity. I'd love to get off the grid. If for no other reasons than to **** them off.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I think Rod's just a troll. I don't blame you one bit. We may have self-imposed limitations on proportional capacity here as well - at least until recently, it may have been possible for Pacific Gas& Electric to not approve a hookup of anything larger than the average daily use for the household - they really don't want to pay for any of the "backwash" from indepenedent users. There is a law that says they must pay for some tiny increment (a couple percent), and they have actually since voluntarily increased their allowance to about 2.5% since state law now requires them to increase their renewable portfolio over the next 10 years. If you wanted to be self-contained, they could not do anything about it. The manufacturer for our County facility may or may not do small jobs, but I can check for you. If I were you, and money was not a big object, I'd shoot for the most efficient panels available to help out on those dreariest winter days. Also bear in mind that a panel only puts out max energy when it is aimed straight at the sun's disc - otherwise it will vary roughly according to the cosine of the incident angle (I bet you knew that!). I thought that was the SINE of the incident angle. The closer to 90 degrees, the higher the output. Winter is a different animal, here than it is there. But summer months, I can go off the grid entirely. I did look into geothermal, too. The smallest generator available was about half a megawatt. Which would make some of my neighbors very happy, too. But that's still under investigation. heheheheh. I'll see what I can find out. Thanks. |
Why Obama Should Kick His Own Ass
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Why Obama Should Kick His Own Ass
On Jun 21, 12:49*pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
* *I'm intrigued by the Thorium nuclear, though. That would seem to have promise. FYI - Thorium fuel is mixed into a liquid solution for its reaction. It has an apparent high neutron density, which means that you get a lot of juice for modest fuel amounts; it generates a waste product far smaller than the comparable U/Pu reactor, and the half-life is measured in hundreds rather than 10,000s of years, so it's a heck of a lot easier to manage, and then afterward can be disposed of as an ordinary ash material. Typically designed Thorium reactors appear to have no mechanism by which they can "melt down" as their reactions can be highly controlled through concentrations; and despite the fact that thorium is not a household name, we have gobs of the stuff. Moreover, if you add existing nuclear waste that nobody wants to the Th reactor, the darn thing can burn that stuff up too! They have been used on subs. Why don't we have them? Probably because they are incapable of generating weapons-grade material as a by-product, which made them less desirable than U/Pu designs for R&D by the military. It strikes me that we could use this characteristic as either a bargaining chip or a "gotcha" for Iran - if we offered to ease up on them if they use thorium reactor tech instead of what they're doing for the nukes, and they still balked, it would be mighty damned hard for them to explain away their stubborn attitude about their nuke development. OTOH, if they embraced the thorium idea, a potential disaster might be defused. More details: http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf62.html If you have lotsa time... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZR0UKxNPh8 Bruce |
Why Obama Should Kick His Own Ass
On 22/06/2010 5:20 AM, bpnjensen wrote:
On Jun 21, 11:53 am, "D. Peter wrote: On 6/21/10 13:42 , rod wrote: On Jun 21, 9:23 am, wrote: On Jun 21, 8:08 am, "D. Peter wrote: On 6/21/10 09:41 , bpnjensen wrote: My PC runs off solar. Which equipment are you using to achieve that? This is at work. Here at work, we have a large array over the parking lot that supplies a bunch of energy to our complex every day, rain or shine, and it's prtety efficient. I don't know the manufacturer, but I could find out. Extra to run back to the grid, too. That meter turns backwards starting shortly after sunrise and won't quit all day. Our land use policies encourage solar on every rooftop and parking lot around. We're looking for ways to subsidize those as much as possible. I have been given to understand that Alameda County, as an entity, uses a higher ratio of solar energy than any other County in the U.S. - but that may have changed. We're trying :-) At home, my not-too-distant future intent is to get a substantial solar panel on the rooftop, maybe even a small wind turbine to augment. We're breezy enough here so that such a system would be worthwhile. I'd have to think about a storage battery or fuel cell. Maybe a compressed air storage system? There are some other technologies coming around too. I'm a big fan of Thorium nuclear, which is going to be coming aboard in India, China, maybe France in the next few years. Working prototypes have been around for decades, some industries use small versions right now. Much less troublesome than U or Pu nuclear in every respect, and plenty of fuel for hundreds of years - until we get Fusion working. Bruce Jensen ****Hey Blow Job Jensen, STFU! WTF! Big f%cking deal your laptop runs on "solar". STFU BJ. And your meter runs backwards all day "selling back into the grid". STFU! We all know one thing for sure, YOU DIDN't PAY for any of it so shut your pie hole. Yea, I'm sure you are going to rush right out and buy a gigantic solar panel for your roof and a wind turbine to supplement it, you @$$ H%LE! He might not. But I will. And I can run my entire radio operation on it all. In that sense, his information is useful. Which is why I asked for him to describe it. p- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Rod's a funny guy, eh? ;-) Rod is Greggs pal, Nurk. Krypsis |
Why Obama Should Kick His Own Ass
On 6/21/10 16:01 , bpnjensen wrote:
On Jun 21, 12:49 pm, "D. Peter wrote: I'm intrigued by the Thorium nuclear, though. That would seem to have promise. FYI - Thorium fuel is mixed into a liquid solution for its reaction. It has an apparent high neutron density, which means that you get a lot of juice for modest fuel amounts; it generates a waste product far smaller than the comparable U/Pu reactor, and the half-life is measured in hundreds rather than 10,000s of years, so it's a heck of a lot easier to manage, and then afterward can be disposed of as an ordinary ash material. Typically designed Thorium reactors appear to have no mechanism by which they can "melt down" as their reactions can be highly controlled through concentrations; and despite the fact that thorium is not a household name, we have gobs of the stuff. Moreover, if you add existing nuclear waste that nobody wants to the Th reactor, the darn thing can burn that stuff up too! They have been used on subs. Why don't we have them? Probably because they are incapable of generating weapons-grade material as a by-product, which made them less desirable than U/Pu designs for R&D by the military. It strikes me that we could use this characteristic as either a bargaining chip or a "gotcha" for Iran - if we offered to ease up on them if they use thorium reactor tech instead of what they're doing for the nukes, and they still balked, it would be mighty damned hard for them to explain away their stubborn attitude about their nuke development. OTOH, if they embraced the thorium idea, a potential disaster might be defused. More details: http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf62.html Very interesting read. If you have lotsa time... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZR0UKxNPh8 Bruce |
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