On Aug 6, 5:32*pm, DigitalRadioScams
wrote:
On 6 Aug, 18:25, "Drewdove" wrote:



"DigitalRadioScams" wrote in message

....

From Radio-Info:
July 2005

"There are two ways of looking at this. 43% of LA listening time is at
home, 33% in car, 23% at work and 3% elsewhere. 72% listen at some
time in each week at home, 85% in the car, 26% at work and 14%
elswhere. The difference is that in car listening is for shorter
periods than in home or at work, but more people do it. 45% of LA
listeners cume radio at night."

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind...e;topic=5997.0

Then, today:

"The average listener does 70% of their listening in a fixed location,
where there are no dropouts anyway."

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind....msg1497481#ms....

No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO! A tactic admission that mobile HD
Radio simply doesn't work - LMFAO!

I must be one of the odd ones in SoCal as I rarely listen to radio while at
home or work but never drive with the radio off. With me it's start car and
turn on the radio (if I turned it off, which I rarely do). So I probably do
99.44% of my listening in the car.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

- Who in Hell comes home and turns on their radio? *

I do turn on the 'local' AM Radio Station to
Listen to the Local News that the Big City
TV and Radio Stations don't cover.

Local Noon News on the Radio followed by the
Regional/State/National News on the TV out of
SAC-Town.

- Maybe, sit at their computers and listen to Internet Radio.

Dang I got a real AM/FM/Shortwave Radio with
some real outside Antennas next to my PC and
listen to Radio ~80% of the time. {like right now}

- Yup, what a bitch, Eduardo,

So you must be his sister . . .

- most people listen while in the car to/from work,
- and those few enjoy their nifty HD Radio dropouts
- and cludgy tuners - LOL!

Yeah - I get in the Car/Truck and Start-it-up and
there it is : The Radio Sounding Away : Cause It
Is Always On when the Car is On.

radio just listen ~ RHF

On Aug 6, 10:52*am, DigitalRadioScams
wrote:
From Radio-Info:
July 2005

"There are two ways of looking at this. 43% of LA listening time is at
home, 33% in car, 23% at work and 3% elsewhere. 72% listen at some
time in each week at home, 85% in the car, 26% at work and 14%
elswhere. The difference is that in car listening is for shorter
periods than in home or at work, but more people do it. 45% of LA
listeners cume radio at night."

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind...e;topic=5997.0

Then, today:

"The average listener does 70% of their listening in a fixed location,
where there are no dropouts anyway."

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind....msg1497481#ms....

- No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO!
- A tactic admission that mobile HD Radio
- simply doesn't work - LMFAO!

HEY - Mobile IBOC [HD] Radio does work Great
.. . . as long as you stay parked in the Driveway.

Actually HD Radio Receivers have the same
disadvantages and Advantages as the good
old Analog AM/FM Radios.
* Most of the Home Radios are poorly designed
and cheaply built and lack real RF performance.
* While most of the Auto Radios are better designed
and better built and have good RF performance wrt
those intended for the Home.
* Plus the Auto Radios are 'matched' to an Antenna
system that works very well in the mobile environment
that the Radio exists in.

IBOC is a Two [Dual] Signal System Analog and Digital
-if- the Digital Drops-Out the Analog is still there.
-if- the Digital Drops-Out the Analog is weak and/or hash
Digital is not the issue -cause- you are in a signal dead
zone or beyond the stations signal.

HOME - IBOC [HD] Radios can have their Digital
over Analog 'sense' point set at a higher level;
because they are in a fixed location; with Digtal
being the preferred mode.

AUTO - IBOC [HD] Radios can have their Analog
over Digital 'sense' point set at a lower level; because
they are in a mobile location; with Analog being the
preferred mode.

Actually having a Preferred 'Mode' Switch built into
the IBOC [HD] Radio makes sense especially for
Auto Radios. Call the Preferred 'Mode' Switch what
you will :
* Local [HD] / Distant AM/FM
* HD / Normal

For most Audio Consumers at Home : Music is the
preferred Content and they listen to FM Stereo; and
Digital "HD" Radio expands their Music Listening
Enjoyment.

For most Audio Consumers in Autos : Music is again
the preferred Content and they listen to FM Stereo; and
Digital "HD" Radio expands their Music Listening
Enjoyment.

Note KSL & KCBS* both 'simulcast' on FM now.
* News Weather and Traffic for People On The Go !

As IBOC [HD] Radio increases it's Digital Signal
Output from 1% up to 10%? the Drop-Outs will
lessen and the number of HD Audio Consumers will
expand greatly at least for the FM Radio Band;
where the majority of Audio Consumers are.

And once again IBOC [HD] Radio is very much like
good old Analog Radio It's FREE* to the Consumer.
* and the majority of the people like 'Free'; grew-up
on/with 'Free'; and think 'Free' is really good.

Last things that I read from the FCC {US GOV} and
NPR {CPB+US GOV} both were Positive about IBOC
[HD] Radio; at least for the FM Radio Band where
NPR with the Thousands of Public Non-Commercial
FM Radio Stations; together are looking to expand
both their Content and Services via IBOC using HD-1
and HD-2 Channels on the FM HD-Radio.

NOTE - I recently bought an Insignia® FM HD-Radio
'portable' Player Model NS-HD01 as a waking around
Pocket FM Radio. Even up here in Twain Harte, CA
{The Land of the Blinking Blue Light -aka- Drop-Outs}
it preforms well and gives good reception and quality
sound from Central Valley FM HD-Radio Stations that
are 45~75 Air Miles away.

The Future of FM Radio is IBOC
-and-
The Future of IBOC is FM Radio
-while-
AM/MW Radio is simply a non-player ~ RHF

On 6 Aug, 18:57, RHF wrote:
On Aug 6, 10:52*am, DigitalRadioScams
wrote:



From Radio-Info:
July 2005

"There are two ways of looking at this. 43% of LA listening time is at
home, 33% in car, 23% at work and 3% elsewhere. 72% listen at some
time in each week at home, 85% in the car, 26% at work and 14%
elswhere. The difference is that in car listening is for shorter
periods than in home or at work, but more people do it. 45% of LA
listeners cume radio at night."

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind...e;topic=5997.0

Then, today:

"The average listener does 70% of their listening in a fixed location,
where there are no dropouts anyway."

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind....msg1497481#ms....

- No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO!
- A tactic admission that mobile HD Radio
- simply doesn't work - LMFAO!

HEY - Mobile IBOC [HD] Radio does work Great
. . . as long as you stay parked in the Driveway.

Actually HD Radio Receivers have the same
disadvantages and Advantages as the good
old Analog AM/FM Radios.
* Most of the Home Radios are poorly designed
and cheaply built and lack real RF performance.
* While most of the Auto Radios are better designed
and better built and have good RF performance wrt
those intended for the Home.
* Plus the Auto Radios are 'matched' to an Antenna
system that works very well in the mobile environment
that the Radio exists in.

IBOC is a Two [Dual] Signal System Analog and Digital
-if- the Digital Drops-Out the Analog is still there.
-if- the Digital Drops-Out the Analog is weak and/or hash
Digital is not the issue -cause- you are in a signal dead
zone or beyond the stations signal.

HOME - IBOC [HD] Radios can have their Digital
over Analog 'sense' point set at a higher level;
because they are in a fixed location; with Digtal
being the preferred mode.

AUTO - IBOC [HD] Radios can have their Analog
over Digital 'sense' point set at a lower level; because
they are in a mobile location; with Analog being the
preferred mode.

Actually having a Preferred 'Mode' Switch built into
the IBOC [HD] Radio makes sense especially for
Auto Radios. *Call the Preferred 'Mode' Switch what
you will :
* Local [HD] / Distant AM/FM
* HD / Normal

For most Audio Consumers at Home : Music is the
preferred Content and they listen to FM Stereo; and
Digital "HD" Radio expands their Music Listening
Enjoyment.

For most Audio Consumers in Autos : Music is again
the preferred Content and they listen to FM Stereo; and
Digital "HD" Radio expands their Music Listening
Enjoyment.

Note KSL & KCBS* both 'simulcast' on FM now.
* News Weather and Traffic for People On The Go !

As IBOC [HD] Radio increases it's Digital Signal
Output from 1% up to 10%? the Drop-Outs will
lessen and the number of HD Audio Consumers will
expand greatly at least for the FM Radio Band;
where the majority of Audio Consumers are.

And once again IBOC [HD] Radio is very much like
good old Analog Radio It's FREE* to the Consumer.
* and the majority of the people like 'Free'; grew-up
on/with 'Free'; and think 'Free' is really good.

Last things that I read from the FCC {US GOV} and
NPR {CPB+US GOV} both were Positive about IBOC
[HD] Radio; at least for the FM Radio Band where
NPR with the Thousands of Public Non-Commercial
FM Radio Stations; together are looking to expand
both their Content and Services via IBOC using HD-1
and HD-2 Channels on the FM HD-Radio.

NOTE - I recently bought an Insignia® FM HD-Radio
'portable' Player Model NS-HD01 as a waking around
Pocket FM Radio. *Even up here in Twain Harte, CA
{The Land of the Blinking Blue Light -aka- Drop-Outs}
it preforms well and gives good reception and quality
sound from Central Valley FM HD-Radio Stations that
are 45~75 Air Miles away.

The Future of FM Radio is IBOC
-and-
The Future of IBOC is FM Radio
-while-
AM/MW Radio is simply a non-player ~ RHF
*.
*.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I heard that those lucky few that bought the Insignia portables, that
as soon as they start walking their HDs drop out - LOL! BTW -
Sangewan cancelled their new portable HD Radio - yea!

On Aug 6, 5:34*pm, DigitalRadioScams
wrote:
On 6 Aug, 18:57, RHF wrote:



On Aug 6, 10:52*am, DigitalRadioScams
wrote:

From Radio-Info:
July 2005

"There are two ways of looking at this. 43% of LA listening time is at
home, 33% in car, 23% at work and 3% elsewhere. 72% listen at some
time in each week at home, 85% in the car, 26% at work and 14%
elswhere. The difference is that in car listening is for shorter
periods than in home or at work, but more people do it. 45% of LA
listeners cume radio at night."

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind...e;topic=5997.0

Then, today:

"The average listener does 70% of their listening in a fixed location,
where there are no dropouts anyway."

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind....msg1497481#ms...

- No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO!
- A tactic admission that mobile HD Radio
- simply doesn't work - LMFAO!

HEY - Mobile IBOC [HD] Radio does work Great
. . . as long as you stay parked in the Driveway.

Actually HD Radio Receivers have the same
disadvantages and Advantages as the good
old Analog AM/FM Radios.
* Most of the Home Radios are poorly designed
and cheaply built and lack real RF performance.
* While most of the Auto Radios are better designed
and better built and have good RF performance wrt
those intended for the Home.
* Plus the Auto Radios are 'matched' to an Antenna
system that works very well in the mobile environment
that the Radio exists in.

IBOC is a Two [Dual] Signal System Analog and Digital
-if- the Digital Drops-Out the Analog is still there.
-if- the Digital Drops-Out the Analog is weak and/or hash
Digital is not the issue -cause- you are in a signal dead
zone or beyond the stations signal.

HOME - IBOC [HD] Radios can have their Digital
over Analog 'sense' point set at a higher level;
because they are in a fixed location; with Digtal
being the preferred mode.

AUTO - IBOC [HD] Radios can have their Analog
over Digital 'sense' point set at a lower level; because
they are in a mobile location; with Analog being the
preferred mode.

Actually having a Preferred 'Mode' Switch built into
the IBOC [HD] Radio makes sense especially for
Auto Radios. *Call the Preferred 'Mode' Switch what
you will :
* Local [HD] / Distant AM/FM
* HD / Normal

For most Audio Consumers at Home : Music is the
preferred Content and they listen to FM Stereo; and
Digital "HD" Radio expands their Music Listening
Enjoyment.

For most Audio Consumers in Autos : Music is again
the preferred Content and they listen to FM Stereo; and
Digital "HD" Radio expands their Music Listening
Enjoyment.

Note KSL & KCBS* both 'simulcast' on FM now.
* News Weather and Traffic for People On The Go !

As IBOC [HD] Radio increases it's Digital Signal
Output from 1% up to 10%? the Drop-Outs will
lessen and the number of HD Audio Consumers will
expand greatly at least for the FM Radio Band;
where the majority of Audio Consumers are.

And once again IBOC [HD] Radio is very much like
good old Analog Radio It's FREE* to the Consumer.
* and the majority of the people like 'Free'; grew-up
on/with 'Free'; and think 'Free' is really good.

Last things that I read from the FCC {US GOV} and
NPR {CPB+US GOV} both were Positive about IBOC
[HD] Radio; at least for the FM Radio Band where
NPR with the Thousands of Public Non-Commercial
FM Radio Stations; together are looking to expand
both their Content and Services via IBOC using HD-1
and HD-2 Channels on the FM HD-Radio.

NOTE - I recently bought an Insignia® FM HD-Radio
'portable' Player Model NS-HD01 as a waking around
Pocket FM Radio. *Even up here in Twain Harte, CA
{The Land of the Blinking Blue Light -aka- Drop-Outs}
it preforms well and gives good reception and quality
sound from Central Valley FM HD-Radio Stations that
are 45~75 Air Miles away.

The Future of FM Radio is IBOC
-and-
The Future of IBOC is FM Radio
-while-
AM/MW Radio is simply a non-player ~ RHF
*.
*.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

- I heard that those lucky few that bought the Insignia portables,
that
- as soon as they start walking their HDs drop out - LOL! *BTW -
- Sangewan cancelled their new portable HD Radio - yea!

Walk all around the Yard [4-Acres] and haven't
noticed any FM HD-Radio Drop-outs except for
near the Solar Panels.

radio be it analog or digital - just listen ~ RHF

DigitalRadioScams wrote:

"The average listener does 70% of their listening in a fixed location,
where there are no dropouts anyway."


That doesn't make sense, because HD Radio is more likely to drop out indoors
than outdoors because the signal strength is a lot lower indoors than it is
outdoors due to building penetration loss, and OFDM copes with mobile
reception relatively well.

Looks like the digital radio industry in the US is as clueless about digital
radio technologies as the grossly incompetent UK DAB industry.


--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - digital radio news & info

The BBC's "justification" of digital radio switchover is based on lies

DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:


and OFDM copes with mobile
reception relatively well.
Presumably that's true if it is used with time interleaving.
Can we assume that HD radio would use time interleaving?


Looks like the digital radio industry in the US is as clueless about digital
radio technologies as the grossly incompetent UK DAB industry.

200 Khz bandwidth, to get a bit rate of 96k, that's even worse than
Eureka 147.

On Aug 8, 11:32*am, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
wrote:
DigitalRadioScams wrote:
"The average listener does 70% of their listening in a fixed location,
where there are no dropouts anyway."

That doesn't make sense, because HD Radio is more likely to drop out indoors
than outdoors because the signal strength is a lot lower indoors than it is
outdoors due to building penetration loss, and OFDM copes with mobile
reception relatively well.

Looks like the digital radio industry in the US is as clueless about digital
radio technologies as the grossly incompetent UK DAB industry.

--
Steve -www.digitalradiotech.co.uk- *digital radio news & info

The BBC's "justification" of digital radio switchover is based on lies

Drop-Out -versus- IBOC Digital Drop-Outs :

Drop-out : low-signal or no-signal
* Indoors if your signal has dropped-out : You either
change to another Radio Station -or- don't listen to
the Radio at all -or- Listen to something that you
have pre-recorded.

Digital Drop-Outs : Intermittent Signal Strong Signal
then No Signal with IBOC as you move around from
spot to spot with a Pocket Radio that uses the Head
phone Wire as teh FM Antenna : You may have a
Strong Signal in one location with your Body and
Antenna positioned one way; and you may have a
Np Signal in another location with your Body and
Antenna positioned another way.

Mobile Digital Drop-Outs : Intermittent Signal Strong
Digital IBOC Signal along one area of the Road; and
then No Signal with IBOC as you move along another
stretch of the Road.

On Aug 6, 10:52*am, DigitalRadioScams
wrote:
From Radio-Info:
July 2005

"There are two ways of looking at this. 43% of LA listening time is at
home, 33% in car, 23% at work and 3% elsewhere. 72% listen at some
time in each week at home, 85% in the car, 26% at work and 14%
elswhere. The difference is that in car listening is for shorter
periods than in home or at work, but more people do it. 45% of LA
listeners cume radio at night."

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind...e;topic=5997.0

Then, today:

"The average listener does 70% of their listening in a fixed location,
where there are no dropouts anyway."

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind....msg1497481#ms....

No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO! A tactic admission that mobile HD
Radio simply doesn't work - LMFAO!

There is nothing inconsitent there.

Today, compared to 2005, besides 5 years having passed, levels of
radio listening have changed due to the new and growing competitors
for entertainment, ranging from Pandora and the web to smart phones.
Still, the metrics of radio have not changed and the distribution of
listening locations is similar.

There are two principal metrics in radio ratings... cume and average
listening levels.

Cume is the total number of persons who listen for 15 minutes or more
a week to a station or combination of them, or to radio as a whole.
Radio as a whole reaches about 94% to 95% of people 6 years or older
each week. To put listening level (on which ad sales are mostly based)
in perspective, Arbitron analysis shows that over 90% of the average
station's listening time is contributed by 50% of its listeners
(cume). So half the people who listen to a station listen around 15 to
30 minutes a week, and are of no value to advertisers or the station.

Average listening, expressed as persons, share or rating (and all
meaning the same thing) is the number of people tuned in at any given
time. Average listening from 6 AM to midnight, Monday to Sunday, is
around 13% of all persons.

So, while 95% listen at some times during the week, about 12% to 13%
are, on average, listening at any precise moment.

About 30% of average listening is in the car. The rest is at home or
at work. While around 85% were found to listen at some time in the
car, listening spans in the car are shorter, so the total amount of
hours a week listened in the car is, as stated, around 30%... from a
low of around 24% in New York CIty to around 33% in LA.

As stated in my 2005 post, 70% of listening time is NOT in the car,
even if over 80% of people listen at some point each week in the car.

One is a head count, the other is the amount of time spent by each
person. A further explanation and 100% verification of this is on the
Arbitron website, in what is called the Purple Book or, technically,
the Description of Methodology..

Of course, the reason why you make these ignorant posts is that you
have no understanding of the way radio operates. So you spend your
time, as in this case, confusing terminology and looking like a fool.
Of course, that's better than your other passtime which is the posting
of profanity on a website that provides the only source for much of
the history of commercial radio available to the average person.

On Aug 6, 10:52*am, DigitalRadioScams
wrote:
From Radio-Info:
July 2005


July 2005 is relevant? Have I fallen into a time warp? Well, I'll play
along:

Say, who do you think will replace Sandra Day O'Connor? And do you
think the Dems have a shot at retaking Congress next fall?