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John Smith October 11th 10 09:24 PM

why we need more stronger gun control
 
On 10/11/2010 12:47 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

...
Wow - that's some libertarian position.


Brother, just for a minute, imagine the world I paint for you ...

You yell, "HELP!", in the middle of the night. I show up, and a few of
your other neighbors, with those state mandated guns, and you just get a
nice warm glowing feeling from realizing the care and love your
neighbors have for you!

Think about it ...

Regards,
JS

richard e white October 11th 10 09:27 PM

why we need more stronger gun control
 
Peter Lucas wrote:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f3b_1286227189

passer-buy walks into shop and cuts customers throat with a knife.
Then next thing he
trys to stab guy behind counter. A fight starts then a cow-orker
comes out to help. guy behind counter pulls out big gun and shoots
victim who falls to ground with horrific injuerys. Now this guy behind
the counter was concluisvly shown in the video to have a gun ready to
assualt somebody. He was ALREADY really and willing to fire a gun
point-blank into another human. in other words the guy was looking for
a EXCUSE to fire a gun at another human; probably even chose his
career to increase the liklihood that he could be in a situation where
he could hopt to get away with shooting someone. our laws dont cover
loopholes like these and so why I fully support greater gun control
measures.


So you don't think anyone has the right to defend life? Why aren't you
saying anything about the guy cutting people up?


--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

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richard e white October 11th 10 09:29 PM

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John Smith wrote:

On 10/10/2010 3:22 PM, Peter Lucas wrote:

...


EVERYONE in the US should have to go though a gun ownership, use,
operation, handling class in high school. They should be required to
own a gun and maintain it in proper operating condition. The government
should conduct inspections, every year or so, and anyone not having a
gun, or not maintaining it in functioning condition, and ready for use
should be fined ... after sufficient warnings, if they are still not
complaint, they should be jailed for a period of time to get their
attention on the importance of maintaining their weapon(s.)


If you read my tag line you will find out why I am against this idea as
well.
Hey what is that sound? Might be a loony, better shoot!


Get real ...

Regards,
JS





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richard e white October 11th 10 09:33 PM

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Lopez Gomez wrote:

Mack A. Damia wrote in
:

On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 18:38:02 -0500, Andy wrote:

Gun control just means hitting what you aim at!


Guns don't kill. School children do.






Guns don't kill people. Bullets kill people.


Depends on how hard you hit someone with it.


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John Smith October 11th 10 09:34 PM

why we need more stronger gun control
 
On 10/11/2010 1:29 PM, richard e white wrote:

...

Hey what is that sound? Might be a loony, better shoot!
...


Ummm, the gun training course is supposed to take care of that. But
then, you don't let the mentally challenged take 'em.

Yanno', might be better if you don't own a gun ... it happens, yanno'?
You are not, exactly, the type of person I had in mind, when I was
talking about gun ownership and citizen responsibility of providing
security ...

Regards,
JS

John Smith October 11th 10 09:38 PM

why we need more stronger gun control
 
On 10/11/2010 1:27 PM, richard e white wrote:

...
So you don't think anyone has the right to defend life? Why aren't you
saying anything about the guy cutting people up?
...


Really? If I was there with my gun, and that guy was in danger of
harming you, with a knife, after my first warning, just how far do you
think he would get?

Regards,
JS

bpnjensen October 11th 10 09:59 PM

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On Oct 11, 1:18*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 10/11/2010 12:51 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

...
Disgraceful. *Nobody should be forced to do this if they don't want
to. *Anyone tries to force me to do this, I'll shoot them.


Oh, I wouldn't force anyone. *The dummies which don't want to
participate might even wish to place a nice red sign on their doors
saying they don't own guns. *That if someone wants to do a quick
smash-and-garb and fear no risk, that they invade those homes!

Hell, I am all for it. *It will keep the crooks away from mine--better
they busy themselves with idiots, where they won't get hurt!

Regards,
JS


You really do wax hot and cold, don't you?

bpnjensen October 11th 10 10:00 PM

why we need more stronger gun control
 
On Oct 11, 1:24*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 10/11/2010 12:47 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

...
Wow - that's some libertarian position.


Brother, just for a minute, imagine the world I paint for you ...

You yell, "HELP!", in the middle of the night. *I show up, and a few of
your other neighbors, with those state mandated guns, and you just get a
nice warm glowing feeling from realizing the care and love your
neighbors have for you!

Think about it ...

Regards,
JS


Yeah right. I can see it all now.

John Smith October 11th 10 10:10 PM

why we need more stronger gun control
 
On 10/11/2010 2:00 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

...
Yeah right. I can see it all now.


Well, I don't wanna' call ya' all a liar, but I don't think ya' do, but
give it some years ... you will ...

Regards,
JS

John Smith October 11th 10 10:16 PM

why we need more stronger gun control
 
On 10/11/2010 1:59 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

...
You really do wax hot and cold, don't you?


Now, don't get nasty with me. I'd kinda like to live in a whole group
like you. Me and the wife will be sleepin' with the guns under our
pillows, they'll be robbing and raping your homes ... should only have
to use a gun once in a great while ... maybe never, if there are enough
like you ... especially if you got good stuff to attract 'em ... kinda
like cockroach bait!

Regards,
JS

John Smith October 11th 10 11:17 PM

why we need more stronger gun control
 
On 10/11/2010 2:41 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

...
Well, just look what you said - it's either one extreme or the other.
I'm not getting nasty - just wondering where you sense of moderation
is. There are ways to defend one's home without having to worry about
shooting your ear off. Moreover, nobody has ever robbed my home or
anything else (except I had a radio and a Bible stolen from a car - I
got the radio back, but the Bible stayed stolen!). I am not going to
live in a state of fear and paranoia.

I have no problem with people wanting to have guns to defend their
homes...but there are other ways.

Bruce


Brother, I luv ya, wife luvs ya' too ... you heard the message, you
heard the warning ... now carry on ... you defend your yourself in the
way you choose ... just as long as me and the family come out on top ...
I do believe you have freedom and rights ... if I tamper with those,
step on my toes!

Regards,
JS

[email protected] October 12th 10 04:06 AM

why we need more stronger gun control
 
On Oct 11, 5:15*am, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:
"james" wrote in message

...

In message , Krypsis
writes


That country is called Switzerland. Very (hardly) any violent crime.
They never joined EU either.


can't blame them for that! Who'd want to join an "institution" that gives
free rein to migration across borders.


But like millions of wogs, I'm happy to be English. JF


Basically, this is exactly what the United States is. It's not just a name,
you know. All of the individual states were once individual political
systems of their own. Our Federal government is basically just an
infrastructure that allows all the states to share in commerce, defense and
to allow for free emigration from state to state. This is much the same as
the EU was designed to do, is it not?


Not really. Europe is vastly different from US in so many respects it
may take entire volumes just to list only some of them. To begin with-
each European state (oops,nation) had/has an established church or
religion . Linguistic and cultural history makes them quite hostile to
each other as well. Unification of the Continent has been attempted
several times in the past, but very rarely lasted more than just a
couple of years. American population has a very different set of mind-
234 years of relative political stability proves it.

[email protected] October 12th 10 04:34 AM

why we need more stronger gun control
 
On Oct 11, 11:05*am, Mike Fleming wrote:
In article
,

writes:
That country is called Switzerland. Very (hardly) any violent crime.
They never joined EU either.


Facts are always a terrible thing, especially when they show that
Switzerland's murder rate is the highest in Europe, and all European
countries have considerably lower murder rates than the USA.

--
Mike Fleming


Wrong,at least according to the sources I just checked. Several
European countries have much higher murder rate at the present time.
And Liechtenstein has zero rate !

John Smith October 12th 10 05:58 AM

why we need more stronger gun control
 
On 10/11/2010 8:06 PM, wrote:

...
Not really. Europe is vastly different from US in so many respects it
may take entire volumes just to list only some of them. To begin with-
each European state (oops,nation) had/has an established church or
religion . Linguistic and cultural history makes them quite hostile to
each other as well. Unification of the Continent has been attempted
several times in the past, but very rarely lasted more than just a
couple of years. American population has a very different set of mind-
234 years of relative political stability proves it.


Absolutely, in America, we can trust out neighbors, they will show up
with weapons to guarantee our safety ... in europe, you would wait for
the cops to show up which will find your murderer ... something which I
would simply find useless ... my gun will halt the murder! Dead
criminals don't count! but, hey, you already knew that, didn't ya'?

John Smith October 12th 10 06:02 AM

why we need more stronger gun control
 
On 10/11/2010 8:34 PM, wrote:

...
Wrong,at least according to the sources I just checked. Several
European countries have much higher murder rate at the present time.
And Liechtenstein has zero rate !


GUNS! They will always reduce the murder rate, when you have your
neighbors protecting your life, helping you, you will always be safer
.... don't let 'em play a joke on ya'.

Regards,
JS

[email protected] October 13th 10 01:22 AM

why we need more stronger gun control
 
If COMMIE fed govt outlawed Firearms, just watch the Cottage Industries
spring up all over America.You know what I mean, Vern?

http://www.gundigest.com/article/Amm...m-Storage-Tips

Keep Your POWDER DRY.
cuhulin


RHF October 13th 10 02:53 AM

Idiot's-R-Us : The 'Silhouette' Sign in the House Window says . . . ?STK ?
 
On Oct 11, 2:16*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 10/11/2010 1:59 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

...
You really do wax hot and cold, don't you?


Now, don't get nasty with me. *I'd kinda like to live in a whole group
like you. *Me and the wife will be sleepin' with the guns under our
pillows, they'll be robbing and raping your homes ... should only have
to use a gun once in a great while ... maybe never, if there are enough
like you ... especially if you got good stuff to attract 'em ... kinda
like cockroach bait!

Regards,
JS


11"x8.5" 'Silhouette' Sign in the Window -says-
http://www.shoottokillrecords.com/stk.gif

This House is a Member of the ________ Neighborhood*
Self-Defense SHOOT-TO-KILL CLUB
{Yes - We Are Armed and Dangerous}
* We Shoot-to-Kill and Our Neighbors Shoot-to-Kill
http://animalnewyork.com/wp-content/...ot-to-kill.jpg

-small-print- If You Can Read This Small Print :
Best You Move-On and Pick Another Neighborhood
-why- First We Shoot-To-Kill : Then We Call The Police

[email protected] October 13th 10 03:18 AM

Idiot's-R-Us : The 'Silhouette' Sign in the House Window says....
 
B HO BLOWS
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=297005
BLOWS!

Doggy and I have to stay awoke (she is sleeping on her back, her head on
my right hip) late tonight, ergo The Best Years of Our Lives movie has
started on the TCM channel.
cuhulin, the late night dude


RHF October 13th 10 01:43 PM

The 'Silhouette' Sign in the House Window Warns Criminals : We STK !
 
On Oct 11, 10:02*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 10/11/2010 8:34 PM, wrote:

...

- - Wrong,at least according to the sources
- - I just checked. Several European countries
- - have much higher murder rate at the present time.
- - And Liechtenstein has zero rate !

- GUNS! *They will always reduce the murder rate,
- when you have your neighbors protecting your life,
- helping you, you will always be safer
- ... don't let 'em play a joke on ya'.
-
- Regards,
- JS

More Correct : "Guns Reduce the Crime Rate"
One Dead Criminal At A Time [.]

Idiot's-R-Us :
The 'Silhouette' Sign in the House Window
Warns Criminals : We STK* !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...c5838d6507343e

[email protected] October 13th 10 06:08 PM

The 'Silhouette' Sign in the House Window Warns Criminals :We...
 
B HO Butt Kissers bust plan to sell Rifles to Americans
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=297024

M1-Garand Rifles.The Best Rifles in the World, in my Opinion.
cuhulin


[email protected] October 15th 10 01:03 PM

The 'Silhouette' Sign in the House Window Warns Criminals :We...
 
What it wuz, somebody in the rec.autos.tech newsgroup said, Why is the
price of cotton up?

I did a devilfinder.com for, Gun Cotton.

http://www.libertyreferences.com/gun-cotton.shtml
Do It Yourself Gunpowder Cookbook.

You can make Gunpowder from dead cats, Whiskey, your living room
ceiling, manure, a bunch of thingys.
cotton cuhulin


Dillon Pyron October 15th 10 05:19 PM

why we need more stronger gun control
 
[Default] Thus spake den :

On Oct 10, 4:45*pm, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 18:38:02 -0500, Andy wrote:
Gun control just means hitting what you aim at!


I agree!

A Phoenix police officer told a store owner that he should shoot to
kill rather than wounding the trash that kept trying to kill him, and
robbing his store. That is defense of your private property.


I have not been trained to shoot to kill. That can be construed as
voluntary mansllaughter. I shoot to stop. If it kills, so be it. As
long as it stops the attack.

Shooting to wound could be interpretted as saying that there might
have been that there was a less than lethal means of stopping the
attack. Which could be constrsued as assault & battery with a deadly
weapon.


The twisted thinking of the Australian OP comes from living in a
country defending itself with knives. Notice that he does not mention
the horrific picture of the person with the cut throat.Thank GOD he
won't be voting for the "Disarm USA" people.


"I'll let my nanny state take care of me. Boo hoo hoo."

And you know the "To protect and serve" you see on most police cars in
the US. That has been consitently ruled to be a slogan and not an
obligation. Courts view police as crime solvers, not preventer,
except in very extraordiinary circumstances.



--

- dillon I am not invalid

Toby (Tri-Umph That's the Sweet Truth)
March 1998 - June 2010
What a dog. What a dog!


Mack A. Damia October 15th 10 05:27 PM

why we need more stronger gun control
 
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:03:11 -0500, Dillon Pyron
wrote:

So, gun control isn't the real issue. Identifying and treating the
mental disorders would have prevented the massacre.


Not the only case of school shootings; there are several others.

But you miss my point.

I'm not against gun ownership, but there are just too many available
to the wrong people. The U.S has an epidemic of gun-related violence.








John Smith October 15th 10 05:52 PM

why we need more stronger gun control
 
On 10/15/2010 9:27 AM, Mack A. Damia wrote:

...
Not the only case of school shootings; there are several others.

But you miss my point.

I'm not against gun ownership, but there are just too many available
to the wrong people. The U.S has an epidemic of gun-related violence.


I think if you are speaking of a police state possessing guns, you are
quite correct!

Regards,
JS


Mack A. Damia October 15th 10 06:06 PM

why we need more stronger gun control
 
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:52:41 -0700, John Smith
wrote:

On 10/15/2010 9:27 AM, Mack A. Damia wrote:

...
Not the only case of school shootings; there are several others.

But you miss my point.

I'm not against gun ownership, but there are just too many available
to the wrong people. The U.S has an epidemic of gun-related violence.


I think if you are speaking of a police state possessing guns, you are
quite correct!


Of course we have a police state. Have you checked the stats
regarding prison populations?

Graduate school course in public policy - 1978. "The U.S is becoming
a police state".

Are you suggesting otherwise?







RHF October 15th 10 08:01 PM

The Big Liberal News Media Lie an "Epidemic of Gun 'Related' Violence"
 
On Oct 15, 9:27*am, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:03:11 -0500, Dillon Pyron

wrote:
So, gun control isn't the real issue. *Identifying and treating the
mental disorders would have prevented the massacre.


Not the only case of school shootings; there are several others.

But you miss my point.

I'm not against gun ownership, but there are just too many available
to the wrong people.


-*The U.S has an epidemic of gun-related violence.

Actually if you check throughout the History of the
USA from pre-revolution to the modern day : The
Level of Gun Violence has been fairly level; both
east-and-west and north-and-south. So there is NO
Epidemic of Gun 'Related' Violence : Just better
Reporting and Record Keeping {Statistics} of all
things related to Gun Use.
-and- Much More News Media Sensationalized
Reporting of each and every :
Criminal Act using a Gun
Persons Injured by the use of a Gun
Persons Killed by the use of a Gun

"WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS" AN EPIDEMIC OF
LIBERAL NEWS MEDIA REPORTING OF ALL
THINGS GUN 'RELATED' : PORTRAYING GUNS
AS EVIL AND KILLERS AND THE NEED TO BAN
ALL GUNS - oh the violence of the news ~ RHF

Mack A. Damia October 15th 10 08:12 PM

The Big Liberal News Media Lie an "Epidemic of Gun 'Related' Violence"
 
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:01:14 -0700 (PDT), RHF
wrote:

On Oct 15, 9:27*am, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:03:11 -0500, Dillon Pyron

wrote:
So, gun control isn't the real issue. *Identifying and treating the
mental disorders would have prevented the massacre.


Not the only case of school shootings; there are several others.

But you miss my point.

I'm not against gun ownership, but there are just too many available
to the wrong people.


-*The U.S has an epidemic of gun-related violence.

Actually if you check throughout the History of the
USA from pre-revolution to the modern day : The
Level of Gun Violence has been fairly level; both
east-and-west and north-and-south. So there is NO
Epidemic of Gun 'Related' Violence : Just better
Reporting and Record Keeping {Statistics} of all
things related to Gun Use.
-and- Much More News Media Sensationalized
Reporting of each and every :
Criminal Act using a Gun
Persons Injured by the use of a Gun
Persons Killed by the use of a Gun

"WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS" AN EPIDEMIC OF
LIBERAL NEWS MEDIA REPORTING OF ALL
THINGS GUN 'RELATED' : PORTRAYING GUNS
AS EVIL AND KILLERS AND THE NEED TO BAN
ALL GUNS - oh the violence of the news ~ RHF


Stop making a fool out of yourself. Read the ****ing newspapers.

You goddam gun-toting conservatives keep tgrying to change truth and
reality.

It doesn't work.

•"The rate of death from firearms in the United States is eight times
higher than that in its economic counterparts in other parts of the
world."

From the American Bar Association

http://www.abanet.org/gunviol/factsa...compared.shtml

Don't hand me anymore of your propaganda.







RHF October 15th 10 08:14 PM

why we need more stronger gun control
 
On Oct 15, 9:19*am, Dillon Pyron wrote:
[Default] Thus spake den :

On Oct 10, 4:45*pm, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 18:38:02 -0500, Andy wrote:
Gun control just means hitting what you aim at!


I agree!


*A Phoenix police officer told a store owner that he should shoot to
kill rather than wounding the trash that kept trying to kill him, and
robbing his store. That is defense of your private property.


- I have not been trained to shoot to kill.
-*That can be construed as voluntary mansllaughter.
-*I shoot to stop.

Did you ever practice shooting the Gun ?

Did you use a Target ?
Was the Target a Bulls-Eye ?
Was the Target a Silhouette ?
Did you Hit the Target ? {Dead Center? }

So use a Shotgun and not a Handgun.

-*If it kills, so be it.
-*As long as it stops the attack.

Ending the threat of Violence & Violence Against
Yourself and Your Family : Therefore Self-Defense [.]

Idiot's-R-Us : The 'Silhouette' Sign in
the House Window says . . . ? STK ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...c5838d6507343e
-why- First We Shoot-To-Kill : Then We Call The Police

More Correct : "Guns Reduce the Crime Rate"
One Dead Criminal At A Time [.]
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...319e08938f1682
fair warning is fair warning -and- 'self-defense' of
home and family is a basic human right ~ RHF

El Stroko Guapo October 15th 10 08:54 PM

why we need more stronger gun control
 
The real reason we need gun control is to keep stupid adolescents who
insist on cross-posting from getting shot and fed to the hogs!

RHF October 15th 10 10:29 PM

The Big Liberal News Media Lie an "Epidemic of Gun 'Related' Violence"
 
On Oct 15, 12:12*pm, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:01:14 -0700 (PDT), RHF



wrote:
On Oct 15, 9:27*am, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:03:11 -0500, Dillon Pyron


wrote:
So, gun control isn't the real issue. *Identifying and treating the
mental disorders would have prevented the massacre.


Not the only case of school shootings; there are several others.


But you miss my point.


I'm not against gun ownership, but there are just too many available
to the wrong people.


- - - The U.S has an epidemic of gun-related violence.

- - Actually if you check throughout the History of the
- - USA from pre-revolution to the modern day : The
- - Level of Gun Violence has been fairly level; both
- - east-and-west and north-and-south. So there is NO
- - Epidemic of Gun 'Related' Violence : Just better
- - Reporting and Record Keeping {Statistics} of all
- - things related to Gun Use.
- - -and- Much More News Media Sensationalized
- - Reporting of each and every :
- - Criminal Act using a Gun
- - Persons Injured by the use of a Gun
- - Persons Killed by the use of a Gun

- - "WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS" AN EPIDEMIC OF
- - LIBERAL NEWS MEDIA REPORTING OF ALL
- - THINGS GUN 'RELATED' : PORTRAYING GUNS
- - AS EVIL AND KILLERS AND THE NEED TO BAN
- - ALL GUNS - oh the violence of the news ~ RHF

- Stop making a fool out of yourself.
-*Read the ****ing newspapers.

! News Papers ! -aka- Liberal News Media :o)
Which Sensationalized and Report each and every
Gun 'related' incident in the news from Maine to
San Diego. Some Drunk Shots themselves in
the Foot in Bangor Maine and you read about
it in the local newspaper in Modesto, CA and
see it on the TV coming from Sacramento, CA
and Hear it on the Radio from Fresno, CA

- You goddam gun-toting conservatives keep
- tgrying to change truth and reality.

Mack A. Damia "****ing newspapers"
Mack A. Damia "goddam"
Mack A. Damia "gun-toting"
Mack A. Damia "conservatives"
- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened' Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...8979fbe8546cfa

[email protected] October 16th 10 04:24 AM

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On Oct 15, 3:23*pm, Robert Klute wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:27:33 -0700, Mack A. Damia

wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:03:11 -0500, Dillon Pyron
wrote:


So, gun control isn't the real issue. *Identifying and treating the
mental disorders would have prevented the massacre.


Not the only case of school shootings; there are several others.


But you miss my point.


I'm not against gun ownership, but there are just too many available
to the wrong people. *The U.S has an epidemic of gun-related violence.


The US has an epidemic of violence, period. *Even if you eliminate all
gun crime from the statistics, the US still ranks up there. *

That aside, my hypothesis is that most gun crime is drug related.
Unfortunately for me, I have been unable to get the numbers to validate
or disprove this. *Ever year, my main sources of information for this,
the Uniform Crime Stastistics and NIH mortality reports, seem to have
less and less detail.


It must pretty grim . Violent firearms and other weapon usage (in
general) is increasing due to worsening economic conditions. The
society is becoming less civilized as well .

[email protected] October 16th 10 04:29 AM

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On Oct 15, 3:40*pm, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:23:56 -0700, Robert Klute
wrote:





On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:27:33 -0700, Mack A. Damia
wrote:


On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:03:11 -0500, Dillon Pyron
wrote:


So, gun control isn't the real issue. *Identifying and treating the
mental disorders would have prevented the massacre.


Not the only case of school shootings; there are several others.


But you miss my point.


I'm not against gun ownership, but there are just too many available
to the wrong people. *The U.S has an epidemic of gun-related violence..


The US has an epidemic of violence, period. *Even if you eliminate all
gun crime from the statistics, the US still ranks up there. *


That aside, my hypothesis is that most gun crime is drug related.
Unfortunately for me, I have been unable to get the numbers to validate
or disprove this. *Ever year, my main sources of information for this,
the Uniform Crime Stastistics and NIH mortality reports, seem to have
less and less detail.


Guns are too easy to obtain, and there are too many of them. *Look at
the school shootings, and we have had several.

As the conservatives gain influence and power, I would expect the
stats to fade into obscurity, and the lies we hear from them are
simply unbelievable.

One day there will be a reckoning.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


John Hickley ?

[email protected] October 16th 10 04:36 AM

The Big Liberal News Media Lie an "Epidemic of Gun 'Related' Violence"
 
On Oct 15, 6:25*pm, Kevin Alfred Strom
wrote:
On 10/15/2010 3:12 PM, Mack A. Damia wrote:
[...]

•"The rate of death from firearms in the United States is eight times
higher than that in its economic counterparts in other parts of the
world."


*From the American Bar Association


http://www.abanet.org/gunviol/factsa...compared.shtml


Don't hand me anymore of your propaganda.


[...]

Actually, firearms don't cause deaths any more than cast iron
skillets do. It's all in how they're used. It is true that some
population groups are more prone to violence, though. That's the
main reason why the US murder rates are many times higher than in
Europe and Japan. See

http://nationalvanguard.org/2010/10/...ce-in-america/

for the statistics.

With all good wishes,

Kevin Alfred Strom.
--http://kevinalfredstrom.com/


Again,the data is from 7+ years ago. Wonder what it is right now.

RHF October 16th 10 11:38 AM

The 'Silhouette' Sign in the House Window Warns Criminals : We...
 
On Oct 15, 8:11*pm, wrote:
On Oct 15, 8:03*am, wrote:

What it wuz, somebody in the rec.autos.tech newsgroup said, Why is the
price of cotton up?


I did a devilfinder.com for, Gun Cotton.


http://www.libertyreferences.com/gun-cotton.shtml
Do It Yourself Gunpowder Cookbook.


You can make Gunpowder from dead cats, Whiskey, your living room
ceiling, manure, a bunch of thingys.
cotton cuhulin


- Chinese firecrackers... can be used as a shock weapon !

Yeah - Especially If you place one . . .
in the Shockee's Ear ! - ouch ~ RHF
http://www.reddevilscarclub.com/M-1000firecracker.jpg

John Smith October 16th 10 04:35 PM

Why we need to halt crime and defend guns!
 
On 10/16/2010 7:40 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

...
In short, in the free-range insane asylum between the 49th parallel and
the Rio Grande, horrible crimes are often perfectly legal, and innocent,
moral, and truly good acts often land you in federal prison.

With all good wishes,

Kevin Alfred Strom.


Yeah, kinda' like "Bizarro World", from the old Superman Comics ... good
summation; I see it!

In having met some of these small time crooks/politicians/etc., I don't
hold drugs as being responsible for their insane behaviors (although, in
some cases it maybe, or, at least, may help.) It appears to be sheer
greed, corruption and human fallibility! In extreme cases, sociopathic
tendencies/drives?

And, in the final analysis, you must ask yourself, "Is it them, or is it
us?" As, it looks like those we once locked into prisons and mental
institutions, we now elect to public office! Go figure!

Regards,
JS



[email protected] October 16th 10 07:11 PM

Why we need to halt crime and defend guns!
 
Wayyyyyy back in the old Western days in America, kids used to take
their shootin irons to school.Perchnce to shoot something to put food on
the supper table at home, that's why.Dijou know that? I have knowed that
most all of my life.

I am woikin on my old trailer in my back yard now.Puttin one inch by
four inch trim boards on thar.My trailer is painted white, the trim
boards I will paint them green.Then I am going to cut out a few big
Shamrocks from some wood and paint them green (but, of course, Green,
Irish Green) and I will put them on my old trailer too.I keeps my old
1914 Ford Model T Runabout Roadster car stored in my old trailer.

http://www.devilfinder.com
The Turning Shamrock

See the turning Shamrock at,
http://www.ryans.org
cuhulin, the Shamrock


dave October 16th 10 08:42 PM

Why we need to halt crime and defend guns!
 
Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:


I essentially agree, but there is a problem, quite outside the main
problem (that violence-prone populations breed more than relatively
peaceful ones).



All so-called civilized people are violence prone.

Kevin Alfred Strom October 16th 10 08:58 PM

Why we need to halt crime and defend guns!
 
On 10/16/2010 3:42 PM, dave wrote:
Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:


I essentially agree, but there is a problem, quite outside the main
problem (that violence-prone populations breed more than relatively
peaceful ones).



All so-called civilized people are violence prone.



I don't recall that being true of my grandmother, but perhaps you
know better.

But if you're talking about groups (Horrors! -- we're not supposed
to do that!), there's some truth in what you say. After all,
Sherman's March to the Sea, a war crime of war crimes, was done by
White people.

But it still remains true that some races are far more violent than
others:

http://nationalvanguard.org/2010/10/...ce-in-america/


With my best,


Kevin.
--
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/

RHF October 17th 10 02:46 AM

Why we need to halt crime and defend guns!
 
On Oct 16, 11:11 am, wrote:
- Wayyyyyy back in the old Western days
- in America, kids used to take their shootin
- irons to school.
- Perchnce to shoot something to put food
- on the supper table at home, that's why.

My Daddy {1897} and his Brother did just that
carried a Boys Rifle {Level Action Carbine} every
day when they walked from Chili Gulch to the
one-room School in Mokelumne Hill, CA.

Chili Gulch CA State Highway # 49 (Milepost 26.4)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chili_Gulch
http://www.noehill.com/calaveras/cal0265.asp
http://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=11515
http://www.ghosttowns.com/states/ca/chiligulch.html
Used to be that you could stand by the Road
Side CA Historical Marker and see the remaining
stone foundations of his Parents and Grandparents
homes at Chili Gulch . . .
-here's-to- Dona Maria Estrella de Soto
the grand old lady of the family - bbhn ~ RHF
49er Partners : Frederick Otis Fisk & Hiram Clum
a story right out of Paint-Your-Wagon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paint_Y...gon_%28film%29

John Smith October 17th 10 04:33 AM

Why we need to halt crime and defend guns!
 
On 10/16/2010 7:18 PM, RHF wrote:

...


Show me an ethnic group, a race, a people which has never been enslaved
and I will show you a group which is violent enough ...

Regards,
JS



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