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Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
Actually, we have been taught to think in terms of hardware. The major
importance has been put on hardware and "features." This is now killing SW radio ... SW radios should be nothing more than "black boxes", it should be the software which defines the radio ... if you want to go the extra expense, pop a processor in the radio ... if not, use a computer to drive the radio ... But, the emphasis should have went off "models" of receivers a time a ago ... this would let one change digital encryption/decrypting algorithms at will ... radio would become upgradeable without big costs .... the actual broadcasters would be the only subject of real importance .... the way it is now, the hardware is important ... and, with no broadcasters, how long can that last? It is obvious, SDR radios should be the standard today ... like it or not, you will, in the end, realize that is correct ... however, it may already be too late for even this to save SW ... Regards, JS |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
John Smith wrote:
It is obvious, SDR radios should be the standard today ... like it or not, you will, in the end, realize that is correct ... however, it may already be too late for even this to save SW ... I disagree. Maybe where you live, or even where I live, but not where 99% of the listeners of SW live. SDRs are overly complicated and expensive for the handful of people who are not hams who listen to SW broadcasts and want an expensive radio. If you want an SDR, go ahead and buy it. But don't expect people who live in a village with a combined income less than the price of one radio to do it. There are a lot more of them than there are of you. However you never know, it turns out that according to a recent study, now floating around the internet, there are more people in India with cell phones than people who have access to a private (or any) toilet. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM To help restaurants, as part of the "stimulus package", everyone must order dessert. As part of the socialized health plan, you are forbidden to eat it. :-) |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On 10/31/2010 6:59 AM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
... However you never know, it turns out that according to a recent study, now floating around the internet, there are more people in India with cell phones than people who have access to a private (or any) toilet. Geoff. See, you are still thinking in hardware, models, a "new one", etc., etc. ... If SDR goes mass production, there will be few "models", more like one model per manufacturer. The SDR will like be priced $19.95-$99.95USD, depending on how extravagant you wish to go ... and, of course, the $100USD one will have the processor onboard ... Regards, JS |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
John Smith wrote:
See, you are still thinking in hardware, models, a "new one", etc., etc. ... I'm thinking of radios. Boxes that play sounds from the air as it where. Not computer add ons. Most of the people who are still the target of SWBC don't have computers. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM To help restaurants, as part of the "stimulus package", everyone must order dessert. As part of the socialized health plan, you are forbidden to eat it. :-) |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On 10/31/2010 10:14 AM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
John Smith wrote: See, you are still thinking in hardware, models, a "new one", etc., etc. ... I'm thinking of radios. Boxes that play sounds from the air as it where. Not computer add ons. Most of the people who are still the target of SWBC don't have computers. Geoff. You are not aware that there are SDR's which can be controlled by computer, as well as be stand alone? They are stand alone with but the addition of a processor and some memory ... but, why duplicate the sound card, the oscillator, etc. if you are always going to have a computer present? People still think in terms of stand alone, like you do. However, why own a TV, a radio, a stereo, etc.? The computer is all of this, and more ... usually a simple USB device is all which is necessary to make the computer pretty much anything you wish ... however, manufacturers would like to sell you a, stand alone, separate device for each and every different task you wish to preform ... it is my opinion only idiots will continue down that road ... a desktop controls most of all this in my home ... my fondness for collectibles is only why I own so many stand alone, and ancient, AM, FM, SW, ham, cb, etc. ... I prefer a notebook with a small SDR even when I camp ... however, I do carry along backup. A small inverter allows me to operate these in my vehicle and a small generator supplies power at the camp sites ... I strongly believe most will be heading in these directions ... it is only salespeople in electronic stores who slow the upgrading ... Regards, JS |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
John Smith wrote:
You are not aware that there are SDR's which can be controlled by computer, as well as be stand alone? Yes, but your are IMHO mixing up two types of listeners. The listeners that the stations are not trying to reach are afluent, have a computer, probably have a TV, some sort of video player (DVD, Blu-Ray,VCR, PVR, or streamer), an internet connection and so on. Those are the kind that would gladly buy an SDR because they like the toy aspect and want to listen to SWBC as a hobby. On the other side of the equation are what I think is almost all of their audience, people who do not have computers, can not afford more than a cheap radio, and will never have an internet connection until it is free or close to it. The proof is where do the SWBC stations aim their signal? Not at North America, not at the EU, etc, but at poor parts of the world, North and Central Africa, Western Asia (middle east and India) and Eastern Asia (China, North Korea, Indonesia, and so on). This is no duplication of processor, memory, keyboard, display, etc because these people don't have them. An SDR radio is fine if you can make one for a few dollars that will stand a great deal of abuse and use very little power. As an add on for a computer, they will only sell in the richer countries or the more affluent cites, where there are lots of other sources of information and the SWBC stations are not aiming at. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM To help restaurants, as part of the "stimulus package", everyone must order dessert. As part of the socialized health plan, you are forbidden to eat it. :-) |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On 10/31/2010 12:09 PM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
John Smith wrote: You are not aware that there are SDR's which can be controlled by computer, as well as be stand alone? Yes, but your are IMHO mixing up two types of listeners. The listeners that the stations are not trying to reach are afluent, have a computer, probably have a TV, some sort of video player (DVD, Blu-Ray,VCR, PVR, or streamer), an internet connection and so on. Those are the kind that would gladly buy an SDR because they like the toy aspect and want to listen to SWBC as a hobby. On the other side of the equation are what I think is almost all of their audience, people who do not have computers, can not afford more than a cheap radio, and will never have an internet connection until it is free or close to it. The proof is where do the SWBC stations aim their signal? Not at North America, not at the EU, etc, but at poor parts of the world, North and Central Africa, Western Asia (middle east and India) and Eastern Asia (China, North Korea, Indonesia, and so on). This is no duplication of processor, memory, keyboard, display, etc because these people don't have them. An SDR radio is fine if you can make one for a few dollars that will stand a great deal of abuse and use very little power. As an add on for a computer, they will only sell in the richer countries or the more affluent cites, where there are lots of other sources of information and the SWBC stations are not aiming at. Geoff. I don't even consider 3rd world nations. I don't care what goes on in 3rd world nations, their needs, trends, work-arounds, etc. That would only be a waste of my time. I live here in America. If I take a trip there and live there a bit, I will "do as the natives do." In America, I believe this is what will be happening ... if you are in another country ... well, I see them wearing American t-shirts and jeans which appear to have been given to them by aid organizations ... perhaps they will start finding computers and SDR's in those gift packages ... Regards, JS |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On 10/31/2010 12:50 PM, dave wrote:
... And where are these people without computers? In National Geographic? Really. I think the processor needed to drive a standalone SDR would be only need to be about as powerful as one of the common processors found in cell phones ... you could load up new or update software at the village library ... but then, who really cares about 3rd world nations? Regards, JS |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
John Smith wrote: See, you are still thinking in hardware, models, a "new one", etc., etc. ... I'm thinking of radios. Boxes that play sounds from the air as it where. Not computer add ons. Most of the people who are still the target of SWBC don't have computers. Geoff. And where are these people without computers? In National Geographic? |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
John Smith wrote:
... but then, who really cares about 3rd world nations? The question you should be asking is which SW broadcasters really care about you? Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM To help restaurants, as part of the "stimulus package", everyone must order dessert. As part of the socialized health plan, you are forbidden to eat it. :-) |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On 10/31/2010 12:59 PM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
... The question you should be asking is which SW broadcasters really care about you? Geoff. Well, for whatever reason, you wish to put great importance on 3rd world countries ... that is just stupid ... this latest response is about as stupid ... what, I am supposed to be upset if broadcasters ignore listeners to the point of going extinct? I am supposed to be upset I am not important enough to be, PERSONALLY, noticed by them?--Are you delusional along with being both ignorant and stupid? Let's see if I am not correct ... they go the way of the dinosaur ... unless some change saves them ... that "save" is not on the near horizon ... Regards, JS |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On 10/31/2010 5:57 PM, John Smith wrote:
... God, gold, guns, food, shelter, medicine, etc. I was a Boy Scout, yanno'? Regards, JS Did I mention the picture of my wife, in my wallet? The pictures of my kids? The picture of Jesus? I am quite complete, yanno'? wink Regards, JS |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On Oct 31, 8:52*am, John Smith wrote:
On 10/31/2010 6:59 AM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: ... However you never know, it turns out that according to a recent study, now floating around the internet, there are more people in India with cell phones than people who have access to a private (or any) toilet. Geoff. See, you are still thinking in hardware, models, a "new one", etc., etc. .... If SDR goes mass production, there will be few "models", more like one model per manufacturer. *The SDR will like be priced $19.95-$99.95USD, depending on how extravagant you wish to go ... and, of course, the $100USD one will have the processor onboard ... Regards, JS "JS", Better put a $100 "Global Learning Tax" on Each and Every HDTV & PC to Fund FREE {No-Cost} FreePlay AM/FM/SW Radios for the Poor and Underprivileged of the World. *** {Sold in USA & EU & Japan} |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On Nov 1, 7:08*am, dave wrote:
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: John Smith wrote: ... but then, who really cares about 3rd world nations? The question you should be asking is which SW broadcasters really care about you? Geoff. You say that like "shortwave" is something other than an informal name for a span of frequencies. It's always been "International" broadcasting. It used to be shortwave, then shortwave and satellite. Now it's satellite, web stream, and a smattering of HF; but it's still International broadcasting. Yes, they care enough about me to allow to listen 24/7 static free. - It is a huge expense (and waste of electricity) - to beam via HF. No frugal government in their - right mind can justify the expense. 'Special Dave' Government Exist To Waste The Tax Payers Tax Moneys [.] A Politician would say . . . Damn the Expense ! The People Have To Hear Me. |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On Nov 1, 8:25*am, John Smith wrote:
On 11/1/2010 1:08 AM, RHF wrote: ... The austere 'Cabin' place that you are going 'to' from your nice comfortable Home is anywhere from 3x~30x more better than the simple place that most of the people of the 3rd World call their home and has to live-in daily; just to exist one day and survive to the next. ... It is here I must caution you, it does no good. *Remember when we used to challenge ourselves against excellence and those who did better or beat us? *Remember Sputnik? *The russians got a satellite up there first? *We went into a major race against them and whipped their little behinds? Then, remember this "new crowd" who constantly measures us against 3rd world nations? *And, how, in the end, it has brought us down to near 3rd world status?; *And, we even fall further as I write this? Comparing us against 3rd world nations and causing guilt feelings for excellence is sicko. *Homosexuals and godless morons persist in this practice, for what reason, I do not know ... perhaps a symptom of their disease ... What I do know is we need to measure ourselves against the best. *We need to constantly challenge ourselves to do better than what we have done before; *Better than what we did yesterday ... mindless, un-excelling goons, simpletons and idiots measure themselves against poverty, defeat, starvation, failure, slovenly behaviors, laziness, etc. Why these sick b*st*rds are left unchallenged to coax Americans, through guilt and deception, into failure and 3rd world status simply disgusts me ... but we seem to have an abundance of these fools here with us ... Regards, JS "JS" You did not get the Message of my Post. You American 'High-Tech' Solutions : Don't Often Work in The-3rd-World. Simply The-3rd-World needs practical soultions that takes what they have begins to build on it. The-3rd-World = American circa 1850 PC -oops- No Internet Service & No AC Power -but- Plenty of Human Muscle Power to Crank a Radio. Car/Truck -oop- No Roads & No Fuel -but- Plenty of Human Muscle Power to Peddle a Bicycle or Push a Hand Cart with Pneumatic Wheels. Build Upon What The-3rd-World Has Today : Then Start Building For A New and Better Future For The-3rd-World in the following days and years... the foundation of generational societal change is the education of the children ~ RHF© * creating new ideas for a better future * creating new exceptions for a better future * creating a new and better future from the foundation {children} up |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On Nov 1, 1:07*pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
John Smith wrote: Remember Sputnik? *The russians got a satellite up there first? *We went into a major race against them and whipped their little behinds? - And the irony is that as we retire the space shuttle, - we are left to depend on those same "little behinds" - - -- - - Operator Bob - Echo Charlie 42 More Simpler, More Practical and More Sustainable ! Low Cost & High Value & Good ROI |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On 11/1/2010 11:25 AM, John Smith wrote:
Why these sick b*st*rds are left unchallenged to coax Americans, through guilt and deception, into failure and 3rd world status simply disgusts me ... but we seem to have an abundance of these fools here with us ... Regards, JS Probably us falling into 'third world status' has nothing to do with your 'guilt and deception'. I think you are overlooking the obvious. The USA is just too expensive any more. First to Mexico, now China and India and probably Africa after that. A race to the bottom. :-( |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On Nov 1, 6:05*pm, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 11/1/2010 11:25 AM, John Smith wrote: Why these sick b*st*rds are left unchallenged to coax Americans, through guilt and deception, into failure and 3rd world status simply disgusts me ... but we seem to have an abundance of these fools here with us ... Regards, JS Probably us falling into 'third world status' has nothing to do with your 'guilt and deception'. I think you are overlooking the obvious. The USA is just too expensive any more. First to Mexico, now China and India and probably Africa after that. A race to the bottom. * :-( Auto Workers in GM's Mexican Plants get $26 per Day versus $28 per Hour in the USA. Prez Obama the American Job Exterminator and US Business Destroyer http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...2ff62b2b257021 But you still get to pay for the Car/Truck in US$ not Mexican Pesos. ~ RHF |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On 11/1/2010 1:07 PM, Bob Dobbs wrote:
... And the irony is that as we retire the space shuttle, we are left to depend on those same "little behinds" I find the irony to be we are not yet attempting terra-forming or colonizing planets ... perhaps the moon first, to work out the technical problems ... Regards, JS |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On 11/1/2010 6:05 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
... Probably us falling into 'third world status' has nothing to do with your 'guilt and deception'. I think you are overlooking the obvious. The USA is just too expensive any more. First to Mexico, now China and India and probably Africa after that. A race to the bottom. :-( You are simply telling me what my treasonous-criminal-public-servants are doing ... yes, we are going to have to tell them NO! Put high tariffs on all imports, bring jobs back to American, we are NOT interested in participating in a world government, world society, or world anything ... we want things fixed ... there is not anything we can't do for ourselves ... and we sure as heck don't need cheap slave labor in other countries to make banksters and wall street rich. And yes, the public servants who think they have usurped power are racing us towards the bottom and economic slavery ... I want them and the banksters and wall street there ... Regards, JS |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On 11/1/2010 7:35 PM, RHF wrote:
... Auto Workers in GM's Mexican Plants get $26 per Day versus $28 per Hour in the USA. Prez Obama the American Job Exterminator and US Business Destroyer http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...2ff62b2b257021 But you still get to pay for the Car/Truck in US$ not Mexican Pesos. ~ RHF . . Yes. It is how the rich elite are draining the American standard of living and attempting to place us in the same slavery and starving conditions as the morons they are exploiting ... the morons here had better wake up soon or they will have us all there. What made America outstanding was one simple principle, most of all, and that is, "A fair days work for a fair days wage." And, "If you make it overseas, sell it overseas!" Regards, JS |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On Nov 1, 10:35*pm, RHF wrote:
On Nov 1, 6:05*pm, Joe from Kokomo wrote: On 11/1/2010 11:25 AM, John Smith wrote: Why these sick b*st*rds are left unchallenged to coax Americans, through guilt and deception, into failure and 3rd world status simply disgusts me ... but we seem to have an abundance of these fools here with us .... Regards, JS Probably us falling into 'third world status' has nothing to do with your 'guilt and deception'. I think you are overlooking the obvious. The USA is just too expensive any more. First to Mexico, now China and India and probably Africa after that. A race to the bottom. * :-( Auto Workers in GM's Mexican Plants get $26 per Day versus $28 per Hour in the USA. Prez Obama the American Job Exterminator and US Business Destroyerhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/412ff62b2b257021 But you still get to pay for the Car/Truck in US$ not Mexican Pesos. ~ RHF *. *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What is good fo GM... |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On Oct 31, 6:37*am, John Smith wrote:
It is obvious, SDR radios should be the standard today ... like it or not, you will, in the end, realize that is correct ... however, it may already be too late for even this to save SW ... Speak for yourself. For me, the biggest problem with shortwave is manmade noise. And has been for about the past 20 years or so I've been living in big cities. Being able to hear anything more than the half-dozen or dozen strongest signals means getting out of town. I'll be damned if I have to take a computer with me camping (and then bother with shielding it so I don't have to hear the sort of RF crud I just drove out of the city to get away from) as well as a radio set. Oh, and then there's the extra power consumption (remember, I'm using batteries out in the woods) of a computer just because a radio doesn't have a front panel anymore. Plus, I can't see having to fiddle with a mouse pointer on a picture of a tuning knob as any sort of improvement of having a real tuning knob to turn. -- David Barts Portland, OR |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On Nov 2, 12:54*am, David Barts
wrote: On Oct 31, 6:37*am, John Smith wrote: It is obvious, SDR radios should be the standard today ... like it or not, you will, in the end, realize that is correct ... however, it may already be too late for even this to save SW ... Speak for yourself. For me, the biggest problem with shortwave is manmade noise. And has been for about the past 20 years or so I've been living in big cities. Being able to hear anything more than the half-dozen or dozen strongest signals means getting out of town. I'll be damned if I have to take a computer with me camping (and then bother with shielding it so I don't have to hear the sort of RF crud I just drove out of the city to get away from) as well as a radio set. Oh, and then there's the extra power consumption (remember, I'm using batteries out in the woods) of a computer just because a radio doesn't have a front panel anymore. Plus, I can't see having to fiddle with a mouse pointer on a picture of a tuning knob as any sort of improvement of having a real tuning knob to turn. -- David Barts Portland, OR Receivers having a single conversion have the lowest internally generated noise ,I believe. It may be possible to have SDR with better performance,eventually one day. Actually,any receiver having an oscillator generates birdies. A PC or a laptop generate more RF than the Woodpecker transmissions from years ago. |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On 11/1/2010 9:54 PM, David Barts wrote:
On Oct 31, 6:37 am, John wrote: It is obvious, SDR radios should be the standard today ... like it or not, you will, in the end, realize that is correct ... however, it may already be too late for even this to save SW ... Speak for yourself. ... David Barts Portland, OR So? Didn't you just describe the solution to your problems, which you, yourself, describe? Let me sum that up; Move! Go off the grid. Use your freeplay in a log cabin in the deep woods. Simple ... really ... Regards, JS |
Idiot's-R-Us : First Step Of Bring Jobs Back To The USA : AssembledIn America [USA] -not- Canad & Mexico
On Nov 1, 8:55*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 11/1/2010 6:05 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote: ... Probably us falling into 'third world status' has nothing to do with your 'guilt and deception'. I think you are overlooking the obvious. The USA is just too expensive any more. First to Mexico, now China and India and probably Africa after that. A race to the bottom. :-( You are simply telling me what my treasonous-criminal-public-servants are doing ... yes, we are going to have to tell them NO! *Put high tariffs on all imports, bring jobs back to American, we are NOT interested in participating in a world government, world society, or world anything ... we want things fixed ... there is not anything we can't do for ourselves ... and we sure as heck don't need cheap slave labor in other countries to make banksters and wall street rich. And yes, the public servants who think they have usurped power are racing us towards the bottom and economic slavery ... I want them and the banksters and wall street there ... Regards, JS Lets see you can not sell into the Mexican* Market : Unless part, some, all of the Car/Trunk is built/ assembled in Mexico* or a certain number of your Cars/ Trucks are built/assembled in Mexico* * Substitute Any other Country's Name for Mexico and it is the same. -oops- except in the USA. Apply Their Laws For American Imports =Equally= To Their Exports To The USA Car-for-Car and Truck-for-Truck ~ RHF Japaneses Car/Truck made with Japanese/Imported Car +40% Parts Car has to be Assembled in the USA Korean Car/Truck made with Korean/Imported Car +40% Parts Car has to be Assembled in the USA European Car/Truck made with EU/Imported Car +40% Parts Car has to be Assembled in the USA Mexican Car/Truck made with Mexican/Imported Car +40% Parts Car has to be Assembled in the USA BIG FOR THE FUTURE *CHINA* Chinese Car/Truck made with China/Imported Car +40% Parts Car has to be Assembled in the USA NOTE - At least 60% of the Car/Truck Parts Value has to come from the USA {Made-int-eh-USA} -or- At Least The Car/Truck Has To Be Assembled here in the USA {Not Canada & Not Mexico} Otherwise Charge a 100% Import Duty for 45% Parts Value on each and every Car/Truck from that County. Otherwise Charge a 150% Import Duty for 60% Parts Value on each and every Car/Truck from that County. Otherwise Charge a 200% Import Duty for 75% Parts Value on each and every Car/Truck from that County. Otherwise Charge a 250% Import Duty for 90% Parts Value on each and every Car/Truck from that County. Otherwise Charge a 300% Import Duty for 100% Parts Value on each and every Car/Truck from that County. |
Idiot's-R-Us : First Step Of Bring Jobs Back To The USA :Assem...
Started raining heavily here less than an hour ago.Already, Mary Wieden,
(she is originally from Michigan.She used to have her own trivia radio talk show in Jackson) flying around in Skycopter 3 (WLBT 3) has reported no less than seven auto accidents in the metro area.It is going to be rainy all day long and maybe tomorrow too.It keeps the auto body repair shops happy. I trust my driving, but I Don't trust those mofos driving at all! That's why I don't drive in rainy weather unless I absolutely have to. cuhulin, aints goin nowhar today |
Idiot's-R-Us : First Step Of Bring Jobs Back To The USA :Assem...
1914 Ford Model T, 100 percent Manufactured in U.S.A.
1948 Willys Jeep, 100 percent Manufactured in U.S.A. 1978 Dodge Van, 100 percent Manufactured in U.S.A. 1983 Dodge Van, ut ohhhh, some of it was made in Canada, I think so. cuhulin |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On 11/1/2010 6:05 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote: ... Probably us falling into 'third world status' has nothing to do with your 'guilt and deception'. I think you are overlooking the obvious. The USA is just too expensive any more. First to Mexico, now China and India and probably Africa after that. A race to the bottom. :-( On 11/1/2010 11:55 PM, John Smith wrote: You are simply telling me what my treasonous-criminal-public-servants are doing ... yes, we are going to have to tell them NO! Put high tariffs on all imports, bring jobs back to American... In -theory-, you are absolutely correct. However, in actual practice, tell me when the cheap Chinese labor and cheap Wal-Mart prices go away, how long do you think it will be until the American consumer starts rioting? (You do realze that when the 15 cent an hour Chinese labor goes to $15 dollars an hour American labor, that prices WILL go up, waaay up.) And yes, the public servants who think they have usurped power are racing us towards the bottom and economic slavery ... I want them and the banksters and wall street there ... Also correct...but unfortunately, you are forgetting the "Golden Rule": He who has the gold makes the rules. Quite a conundrum. Any suggestions as to a solution? |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 11/1/2010 11:25 AM, John Smith wrote: Why these sick b*st*rds are left unchallenged to coax Americans, through guilt and deception, into failure and 3rd world status simply disgusts me ... but we seem to have an abundance of these fools here with us ... Regards, JS Probably us falling into 'third world status' has nothing to do with your 'guilt and deception'. I think you are overlooking the obvious. The USA is just too expensive any more. First to Mexico, now China and India and probably Africa after that. A race to the bottom. :-( That's finished. We lost. Nuke China. |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On 11/2/10 07:49 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 11/1/2010 6:05 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote: ... Probably us falling into 'third world status' has nothing to do with your 'guilt and deception'. I think you are overlooking the obvious. The USA is just too expensive any more. First to Mexico, now China and India and probably Africa after that. A race to the bottom. :-( On 11/1/2010 11:55 PM, John Smith wrote: You are simply telling me what my treasonous-criminal-public-servants are doing ... yes, we are going to have to tell them NO! Put high tariffs on all imports, bring jobs back to American... In -theory-, you are absolutely correct. However, in actual practice, tell me when the cheap Chinese labor and cheap Wal-Mart prices go away, how long do you think it will be until the American consumer starts rioting? (You do realze that when the 15 cent an hour Chinese labor goes to $15 dollars an hour American labor, that prices WILL go up, waaay up.) And yes, the public servants who think they have usurped power are racing us towards the bottom and economic slavery ... I want them and the banksters and wall street there ... Also correct...but unfortunately, you are forgetting the "Golden Rule": He who has the gold makes the rules. Quite a conundrum. Any suggestions as to a solution? Ooh..ooh...[waving hand}...Teacher!, I've got this one. Yes. Actually, we need to rethink the nature of wealth, in THIS country. Where the real root of wealth is. Over the last century, well, 60 years of it, we've gone from a manufacturing economy, to a merchant economy. Rather than building and selling, we've elected to buy and resell. Shifting the liability of labor to other entities as a cost saving measure. Even though we still have robust manufacturing activity in this country. We still build most of the world's cars, for instance. With more foreign plants being built on American soil even as we discuss this. But, it's HOW we use labor that renders the difference in how we're ranked in the Global Economy. In our own MBA driven business culture, we've attempted to offload all costs to other entities, to drive up profits, and the stock price. Because we've looked at labor as a liability. Rather than an asset. Shifting the cost of labor to overseas manufacturers. Attempting, as it were, to conserve our way to prosperity, by eliminating most, if not all, production costs. In this way, we've allowed other cultures to do our manufacturing for us on their home soil, in plants owned by foreign companies. WE simply place orders, buy commodities, and take a markup. Avoiding labor, benefits and pension liabilities, and saving, often--though not always--a huge tax burden. Those same other nations, on the other hand, come to this country for non-union labor, and build their own products, for sales and export, in factories of THEY own. Saving some on labor, benefits and pension costs, and snapping up huge tax incentives, but retaining the true source and origination of wealth: The engine of production. Because they view labor as an asset. The major car companies come to this country and purchase our labor, but build in their own plants. From raw materials, to end product. The finished product, in that case, is owned by themselves. To be sold by themselves. With all markups, handling fees, retained by the company. They have higher costs, in that they have physical plant overhead, but, they have control over the profit produced by the product at each stage of handling. In the US MBA driven model, only the cost of the commodity is borne by the company. With profits controllable at stages between purchase of the finished product and beyond. Where as the foreign model, the profits begin with the acquisition of raw materials. And along each stage of production. Further, labor at each stage produces wages at each stage, which produces economic vigor that the 'merchant' economy does not. What this means, is that we do have cheaper products on the market, in many cases than could be produced by our own hands. However, QC, and the enormous infrastructure of production, which injects robust economic yield into our own GDP, belong to foreign nationals. Put in a single sentence: We purchase products. THEY purchase labor. In the end, business people are business people, foreign or domestic, and we still pay the infractucture costs of the foreign manufacturer through wholesale prices, but we then, also pay for costs of replacement (and rarely, repair) of inferior products, while at the mercy of suppliers who may not be as interested in meeting our demands as we are theirs. An on-topic reference: The Lex-Tecs-Pass-dig-sahn line of Grundig receivers. QC has often been dreadful. Repair is difficult to come by. RNW's Tom Sundstrom's review of SAT 800 required how many units to get to ONE that worked? (Drake could have built the same radio for only a modest price increase in their own plant in China, and avoided the QC issues. Instead of Lextronix allowing Tecsun to not only build the radio, but then steal the design and release it worldwide under their own brand. Good decision, Lextronix. Go, team.) But not all American companies work according to today's MBA driven model. Aspen Pittman, of Groove Tubes fame, built his products in China, with parts garnered from around the world, and with subsystems built in the US, but in plants that he built, and he retained ownership of. Purchasing local labor, as a raw material. For Groove Tubes, the engine of production was retained by the company, not subcontracted to a foreign partner. IN this way, Groove Tubes retained QC, and all the profits along the way from acquisition of raw materials to market sales. Granted, his products were not dirt cheap. But they were better than competitively priced, and they were of distinctively high quality. But the key was that GT retained the engine of production. Labor was of foreign hire. But the actual WORK done by labor, was considered an asset, and that was retained in ownership by the company. So, if we really wanted to end the race to the bottom/economic slavery of today's American economy, we'll start putting a value on labor, again. Because labor is the very foundation of wealth. We need to see it as an asset. Not a liability. Prices would rise, to be sure. But, but because we could still build offshore but in American owned plants, prices would not rise as cataclysmically as if we simply shut off the spigot of foreign labor and built everything here. Further, by building in American owned plants offshore, and working, now, hand-in-glove as equal entities with foreign ownership in the manufacturing realm, American companies would become more competitive with domestically produced goods, and even, as Toyota and GM had done for decades, build each other's products, wherever the plant best equipped to do so was located. So, to address your question, to begin the transition back to an American manufacturing economy, which we could do tomorrow, if we wished, the infrastructure is still in place, we'd simply have to begin looking at labor as an asset, instead of a liability. Once harnessed, that asset would drive what was to follow. |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
Joe from Kokomo wrote:
tariffs on all imports, bring jobs back to American... In -theory-, you are absolutely correct. However, in actual practice, tell me when the cheap Chinese labor and cheap Wal-Mart prices go away, how long do you think it will be until the American consumer starts rioting? (You do realze that when the 15 cent an hour Chinese labor goes to $15 dollars an hour American labor, that prices WILL go up, waaay up.) You made a big ass incorrect assumption that manufacturers would pass their savings on to their customers; they don't. They pocket the difference. You get ****ed, or you get ****ed. |
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On Nov 2, 4:11*am, John Smith wrote:
So? *Didn't you just describe the solution to your problems, which you, yourself, describe? Let me sum that up; *Move! *Go off the grid. *Use your freeplay in a log cabin in the deep woods. *Simple ... really ... That creates two even bigger problems than not being able to listen to shortwave in the comfort of my own living room: a) no friends nearby, and b) no jobs nearby. So, aside from being stuck by my lonesome with no source of income, it's a simply perfect solution. |
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D. Peter Maus wrote:
An on-topic reference: The Lex-Tecs-Pass-dig-sahn line of Grundig receivers. QC has often been dreadful. Repair is difficult to come by. RNW's Tom Sundstrom's review of SAT 800 required how many units to get to ONE that worked? A good example is Ten-tec's new Chinese CW rig. Originally designed by a Chinese ham who owned an electronics factory, they sold as kits on eBay for $100. Then they were imported to Canada as finished units by a relative of the factory owner and sold to US hams without the relevant FCC approval, for $150. Ten-Tec now buys them, obtained FCC approval and re-sells them for $250. The difference between the original units is that they were three band, but would not pass FCC approval, and the Ten-Tec ones do, but are two band. They also come with full Ten-Tec support, a warranty, and probably some sort of QA testing in the US. Quite simply, you get what you pay for and pay for what you get. A 100% markup is not unusual for radios. For computers, it's much lower which is why so many computers don't work out of the box. :-( BTW, at the same time, Ten-Tec announced a US designed and made rig with a lot more capability and features at a much larger price. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM To help restaurants, as part of the "stimulus package", everyone must order dessert. As part of the socialized health plan, you are forbidden to eat it. :-) |
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On 11/2/2010 9:53 AM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
... I disagree. If we did, it would be suicide for the entire world. Got a less fatal solution? How about a genetic altered bacteria/virus which only kills asians and quickly mutates into a harmless strain within a few generations? This way, we could disperse it in china in some vehicle and have asian populations in other nations realtivly save from any infection(s.) Or, else, if HAARP is really a weather modification weapon, we just "weather-em' to death?" grin Regards, JS |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On 11/2/2010 9:53 AM, Joe from Kokomo wrote: I disagree. If we did, it would be suicide for the entire world. Got a less fatal solution? On 11/2/2010 1:51 PM, John Smith wrote: How about a genetic altered bacteria/virus which only kills asians and quickly mutates into a harmless strain within a few generations? This way, we could disperse it in china in some vehicle and have asian populations in other nations realtivly save from any infection(s.) Why punish the Chinese working man? Why not lay the blame on the greedy American business owners that went to China -- or gasp! blame it on the American consumer that just loves those cheap prices. Like Pogo Possum always said, "We have met the enemy and he is us". |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On 11/2/10 07:49 , Joe from Kokomo wrote: On 11/1/2010 6:05 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote: ... Probably us falling into 'third world status' has nothing to do with your 'guilt and deception'. I think you are overlooking the obvious. The USA is just too expensive any more. First to Mexico, now China and India and probably Africa after that. A race to the bottom. :-( On 11/1/2010 11:55 PM, John Smith wrote: You are simply telling me what my treasonous-criminal-public-servants are doing ... yes, we are going to have to tell them NO! Put high tariffs on all imports, bring jobs back to American... In -theory-, you are absolutely correct. However, in actual practice, tell me when the cheap Chinese labor and cheap Wal-Mart prices go away, how long do you think it will be until the American consumer starts rioting? (You do realze that when the 15 cent an hour Chinese labor goes to $15 dollars an hour American labor, that prices WILL go up, waaay up.) And yes, the public servants who think they have usurped power are racing us towards the bottom and economic slavery ... I want them and the banksters and wall street there ... Also correct...but unfortunately, you are forgetting the "Golden Rule": He who has the gold makes the rules. Quite a conundrum. Any suggestions as to a solution? On 11/2/2010 10:18 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote: Ooh..ooh...[waving hand}...Teacher!, I've got this one. Yes. Actually, we need to rethink the nature of wealth, in THIS country. Where the real root of wealth is. Over the last century, well, 60 years of it, we've gone from a manufacturing economy, to a merchant economy. Rather than building and selling, we've elected to buy and resell. Shifting the liability of labor to other entities as a cost saving measure. Even though we still have robust manufacturing activity in this country. Robust? On this we differ. HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of manufacturing jobs lost in this country and still going in the wrong direction. Virtually the entire tool & die industry gone (maybe because there is no manufacturing here to support it?) It seems almost -everything-, from brake pads to bed pans, is "Made in China". I would respectfully disagree with your definition of "robust". We still build most of the world's cars, for instance. With more foreign plants being built on American soil even as we discuss this. Maybe some plants are being built here, but all the published literature I've seen says we are playing second fiddle to Toyota, Korea and China. But, it's HOW we use labor that renders the difference in how we're ranked in the Global Economy. In our own MBA driven business culture, we've attempted to offload all costs to other entities, to drive up profits, and the stock price. Because we've looked at labor as a liability. Rather than an asset. Shifting the cost of labor to overseas manufacturers. Attempting, as it were, to conserve our way to prosperity, by eliminating most, if not all, production costs. Huh? "Conserve our prosperity"? Is that why our middle class is rapidly disappearing? Why tens of millions of people are without work? THAT "prosperity"? I think the MBAs dropped the ball on this one. In this way, we've allowed other cultures to do our manufacturing for us on their home soil, in plants owned by foreign companies. WE simply place orders, buy commodities, and take a markup. Avoiding labor, benefits and pension liabilities, and saving, often--though not always--a huge tax burden. Again, I have to say "Huh?" I believe American manufacturers are receiving quite generous tax BREAKS for moving overseas, not your tax burden. Those same other nations, on the other hand, come to this country for non-union labor, and build their own products, for sales and export, in factories of THEY own. Saving some on labor, benefits and pension costs, and snapping up huge tax incentives, but retaining the true source and origination of wealth: The engine of production. Because they view labor as an asset. The major car companies come to this country and purchase our labor, but build in their own plants. From raw materials, to end product. The finished product, in that case, is owned by themselves. To be sold by themselves. With all markups, handling fees, retained by the company. They have higher costs, in that they have physical plant overhead, but, they have control over the profit produced by the product at each stage of handling. In the US MBA driven model, only the cost of the commodity is borne by the company. With profits controllable at stages between purchase of the finished product and beyond. Where as the foreign model, the profits begin with the acquisition of raw materials. And along each stage of production. Further, labor at each stage produces wages at each stage, which produces economic vigor that the 'merchant' economy does not. What this means, is that we do have cheaper products on the market, in many cases than could be produced by our own hands. That is a fair statement. Wal Mart, the Master of Cheap, claims that 85% of the items on their shelves are from China. However, QC, and the enormous infrastructure of production, which injects robust economic yield into our own GDP, belong to foreign nationals. Put in a single sentence: We purchase products. THEY purchase labor. In the end, business people are business people, foreign or domestic, and we still pay the infractucture costs of the foreign manufacturer through wholesale prices, but we then, also pay for costs of replacement (and rarely, repair) of inferior products, while at the mercy of suppliers who may not be as interested in meeting our demands as we are theirs. An on-topic reference: The Lex-Tecs-Pass-dig-sahn line of Grundig receivers. QC has often been dreadful. Repair is difficult to come by. RNW's Tom Sundstrom's review of SAT 800 required how many units to get to ONE that worked? (Drake could have built the same radio for only a modest price increase in their own plant in China, and avoided the QC issues. Instead of Lextronix allowing Tecsun to not only build the radio, but then steal the design and release it worldwide under their own brand. Good decision, Lextronix. Go, team.) But not all American companies work according to today's MBA driven model. Aspen Pittman, of Groove Tubes fame, built his products in China, with parts garnered from around the world, and with subsystems built in the US, but in plants that he built, and he retained ownership of. Again, we differ on the meaning of a word -- 'ownership'. It is common knowledge that no foreigner can "own" a plant or business in China; rather, they have to partner with the Chinese government. Purchasing local labor, as a raw material. For Groove Tubes, the engine of production was retained by the company, not subcontracted to a foreign partner. IN this way, Groove Tubes retained QC, and all the profits along the way from acquisition of raw materials to market sales. Granted, his products were not dirt cheap. But they were better than competitively priced, and they were of distinctively high quality. But the key was that GT retained the engine of production. Labor was of foreign hire. But the actual WORK done by labor, was considered an asset, and that was retained in ownership by the company. So, if we really wanted to end the race to the bottom/economic slavery of today's American economy, we'll start putting a value on labor, again. Because labor is the very foundation of wealth. We need to see it as an asset. Not a liability. Amen! and Amen!!! again. Prices would rise, to be sure. But, but because we could still build offshore but in American owned plants, prices would not rise as cataclysmically as if we simply shut off the spigot of foreign labor and built everything here. Further, by building in American owned plants offshore, and working, now, hand-in-glove as equal entities with foreign ownership in the manufacturing realm, American companies would become more competitive with domestically produced goods, and even, as Toyota and GM had done for decades, build each other's products, wherever the plant best equipped to do so was located. So, to address your question, to begin the transition back to an American manufacturing economy, which we could do tomorrow, if we wished, the infrastructure is still in place, we'd simply have to begin looking at labor as an asset, instead of a liability. Once harnessed, that asset would drive what was to follow. Yes, I guess we could start up the American manufacturing economy tomorrow, but per my original contention, it may not be economically viable. Labor costs go from pennies per hour to dollars per hour, health costs, virtually zero in China, are a very expensive item here, environmental controls, a large and expensive issue here, are virtually nil in China, ditto for pension liabilities, the tax breaks for going overseas would be lost. Why would any manufacturer in their right mind want to start producing here again given the issues above? Of course, what the overseas manufactures seem to be failing to realize is that, if you don't have a job, it ultimately will make no difference how cheap a product is. |
Radio hardware is helping "break" SW ...
On 11/2/10 14:12 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 11/2/10 07:49 , Joe from Kokomo wrote: On 11/1/2010 6:05 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote: ... Probably us falling into 'third world status' has nothing to do with your 'guilt and deception'. I think you are overlooking the obvious. The USA is just too expensive any more. First to Mexico, now China and India and probably Africa after that. A race to the bottom. :-( On 11/1/2010 11:55 PM, John Smith wrote: You are simply telling me what my treasonous-criminal-public-servants are doing ... yes, we are going to have to tell them NO! Put high tariffs on all imports, bring jobs back to American... In -theory-, you are absolutely correct. However, in actual practice, tell me when the cheap Chinese labor and cheap Wal-Mart prices go away, how long do you think it will be until the American consumer starts rioting? (You do realze that when the 15 cent an hour Chinese labor goes to $15 dollars an hour American labor, that prices WILL go up, waaay up.) And yes, the public servants who think they have usurped power are racing us towards the bottom and economic slavery ... I want them and the banksters and wall street there ... Also correct...but unfortunately, you are forgetting the "Golden Rule": He who has the gold makes the rules. Quite a conundrum. Any suggestions as to a solution? On 11/2/2010 10:18 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote: Ooh..ooh...[waving hand}...Teacher!, I've got this one. Yes. Actually, we need to rethink the nature of wealth, in THIS country. Where the real root of wealth is. Over the last century, well, 60 years of it, we've gone from a manufacturing economy, to a merchant economy. Rather than building and selling, we've elected to buy and resell. Shifting the liability of labor to other entities as a cost saving measure. Even though we still have robust manufacturing activity in this country. Robust? On this we differ. HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of manufacturing jobs lost in this country and still going in the wrong direction. Virtually the entire tool & die industry gone (maybe because there is no manufacturing here to support it?) It seems almost -everything-, from brake pads to bed pans, is "Made in China". I would respectfully disagree with your definition of "robust". We still build most of the world's cars, for instance. With more foreign plants being built on American soil even as we discuss this. Maybe some plants are being built here, but all the published literature I've seen says we are playing second fiddle to Toyota, Korea and China. But, it's HOW we use labor that renders the difference in how we're ranked in the Global Economy. In our own MBA driven business culture, we've attempted to offload all costs to other entities, to drive up profits, and the stock price. Because we've looked at labor as a liability. Rather than an asset. Shifting the cost of labor to overseas manufacturers. Attempting, as it were, to conserve our way to prosperity, by eliminating most, if not all, production costs. Huh? "Conserve our prosperity"? Is that why our middle class is rapidly disappearing? Why tens of millions of people are without work? THAT "prosperity"? I think the MBAs dropped the ball on this one. In this way, we've allowed other cultures to do our manufacturing for us on their home soil, in plants owned by foreign companies. WE simply place orders, buy commodities, and take a markup. Avoiding labor, benefits and pension liabilities, and saving, often--though not always--a huge tax burden. Again, I have to say "Huh?" I believe American manufacturers are receiving quite generous tax BREAKS for moving overseas, not your tax burden. Those same other nations, on the other hand, come to this country for non-union labor, and build their own products, for sales and export, in factories of THEY own. Saving some on labor, benefits and pension costs, and snapping up huge tax incentives, but retaining the true source and origination of wealth: The engine of production. Because they view labor as an asset. The major car companies come to this country and purchase our labor, but build in their own plants. From raw materials, to end product. The finished product, in that case, is owned by themselves. To be sold by themselves. With all markups, handling fees, retained by the company. They have higher costs, in that they have physical plant overhead, but, they have control over the profit produced by the product at each stage of handling. In the US MBA driven model, only the cost of the commodity is borne by the company. With profits controllable at stages between purchase of the finished product and beyond. Where as the foreign model, the profits begin with the acquisition of raw materials. And along each stage of production. Further, labor at each stage produces wages at each stage, which produces economic vigor that the 'merchant' economy does not. What this means, is that we do have cheaper products on the market, in many cases than could be produced by our own hands. That is a fair statement. Wal Mart, the Master of Cheap, claims that 85% of the items on their shelves are from China. However, QC, and the enormous infrastructure of production, which injects robust economic yield into our own GDP, belong to foreign nationals. Put in a single sentence: We purchase products. THEY purchase labor. In the end, business people are business people, foreign or domestic, and we still pay the infractucture costs of the foreign manufacturer through wholesale prices, but we then, also pay for costs of replacement (and rarely, repair) of inferior products, while at the mercy of suppliers who may not be as interested in meeting our demands as we are theirs. An on-topic reference: The Lex-Tecs-Pass-dig-sahn line of Grundig receivers. QC has often been dreadful. Repair is difficult to come by. RNW's Tom Sundstrom's review of SAT 800 required how many units to get to ONE that worked? (Drake could have built the same radio for only a modest price increase in their own plant in China, and avoided the QC issues. Instead of Lextronix allowing Tecsun to not only build the radio, but then steal the design and release it worldwide under their own brand. Good decision, Lextronix. Go, team.) But not all American companies work according to today's MBA driven model. Aspen Pittman, of Groove Tubes fame, built his products in China, with parts garnered from around the world, and with subsystems built in the US, but in plants that he built, and he retained ownership of. Again, we differ on the meaning of a word -- 'ownership'. It is common knowledge that no foreigner can "own" a plant or business in China; rather, they have to partner with the Chinese government. Purchasing local labor, as a raw material. For Groove Tubes, the engine of production was retained by the company, not subcontracted to a foreign partner. IN this way, Groove Tubes retained QC, and all the profits along the way from acquisition of raw materials to market sales. Granted, his products were not dirt cheap. But they were better than competitively priced, and they were of distinctively high quality. But the key was that GT retained the engine of production. Labor was of foreign hire. But the actual WORK done by labor, was considered an asset, and that was retained in ownership by the company. So, if we really wanted to end the race to the bottom/economic slavery of today's American economy, we'll start putting a value on labor, again. Because labor is the very foundation of wealth. We need to see it as an asset. Not a liability. Amen! and Amen!!! again. Prices would rise, to be sure. But, but because we could still build offshore but in American owned plants, prices would not rise as cataclysmically as if we simply shut off the spigot of foreign labor and built everything here. Further, by building in American owned plants offshore, and working, now, hand-in-glove as equal entities with foreign ownership in the manufacturing realm, American companies would become more competitive with domestically produced goods, and even, as Toyota and GM had done for decades, build each other's products, wherever the plant best equipped to do so was located. So, to address your question, to begin the transition back to an American manufacturing economy, which we could do tomorrow, if we wished, the infrastructure is still in place, we'd simply have to begin looking at labor as an asset, instead of a liability. Once harnessed, that asset would drive what was to follow. Yes, I guess we could start up the American manufacturing economy tomorrow, but per my original contention, it may not be economically viable. Labor costs go from pennies per hour to dollars per hour, health costs, virtually zero in China, are a very expensive item here, environmental controls, a large and expensive issue here, are virtually nil in China, ditto for pension liabilities, the tax breaks for going overseas would be lost. Why would any manufacturer in their right mind want to start producing here again given the issues above? For exactly the reasons I stated: If we put a value on labor here, and stop selling that asset in this country, while buying it overseas, we can start benefiting from the chain of wealth created by the labor on our own soil. Labor costs can be exchanged with other manufacturers. Few realize how many Toyotas, for instance, were built in this country by General Motors, and American workers. While at the same time, Hyundai, BMW, Honda, Mazda, Mitsubish and Mercedes-Benz was building in this country with American labor. The difference being that they retained owership of that labor product. In other words, instead of buying a commodity and then reselling it on home soil, they produced the commodity retaining owership of it throughout the chain of production, and profited at each stage. But always owning the engine of production, and using labor as an asset, not a liability. While GM, and Chrysler, but to a lesser extent, Ford, looked at labor strictly as a liability, and attempted to offload much of it to foreign manufacturers because of the legacy costs. There is no doubt that labor in this country is expensive. With legacy costs that extend far beyond the assets of current work product. That cannot be sustained. Primarily, especially in the auto business, when the legacy costs of pension and benefits are shifted from the Unions, to the manufacturers. That's economic suicide. And it's had the auto industry on the ropes since the late 50's. But, there is a correction for that. Before that shift, and in other unions as well, pension and benefits were handled by the Union, not the manufacturer. That was one of the benefits of membership. It did two things, immediately. One was that the company had a manageable budget for labor costs, with contractually contained wages. Higher than non-union in many, but not all cases. But predictable, and containable. Which kept final prices manageable, and quality higher. The other thing it did, was allow for fluctuations in the market without putting the viability of the company at risk. For instance, when Ford's sales slumped, but GM's peaked, workers would be laid off at Ford, while GM was hiring. But Ford still had legacy costs of labor that could not be scaled back with down trending sales. And vested workers would be penalized with loss of benefits if they moved from Ford to GM to take advantage of the shifted corporate fortunes and new hiring. When Chrysler would boom and Ford and GM would slump, workers, again, would be penalized if they moved to where the work was. Because the companies were paying the benefits and pension costs. But if the Unions were paying benefits and pensions, the workers would be able to move between companies to take advantage of openings, without loss of benefits or pensions. And through Union organization, even seniority could be retained. I'm a member of two Unions. In each case, pension and benefits are paid by the Union out of dues collected. The companies only hire my labor, and pay me a wage. So I'm free to work where I choose. Where the work is. And move between opportunities at will. Spreading that model throughout the labor force, would change much about the liabilities of purchasing labor in the US. It would also allow companies, again, to see labor as an asset, not as a liabiilty. |
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Joe from Kokomo wrote:
Joe from Kokomo wrote: On 11/1/2010 11:25 AM, John Smith wrote: Why these sick b*st*rds are left unchallenged to coax Americans, through guilt and deception, into failure and 3rd world status simply disgusts me ... but we seem to have an abundance of these fools here with us ... Regards, JS Probably us falling into 'third world status' has nothing to do with your 'guilt and deception'. I think you are overlooking the obvious. The USA is just too expensive any more. First to Mexico, now China and India and probably Africa after that. A race to the bottom. :-( On 11/2/2010 10:14 AM, dave wrote: That's finished. We lost. I agree with those two statements. Nuke China. I disagree. If we did, it would be suicide for the entire world. Got a less fatal solution? If we are to survive we're going to need to lose some of these extras. |
Isn't that Pocket Grundig an SDR/Hybrid?
Joe from Kokomo wrote:
Why punish the Chinese working man? Why not lay the blame on the greedy American business owners that went to China -- or gasp! blame it on the American consumer that just loves those cheap prices. How much more do you think it would cost, per item, if they were manufactured here? I think it's like 70 cents for a shirt and $4 for a $150 pair of Nikes. We have nickeled-and-dimed ourselves into extinction. |
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