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∅baMa∅ Tse Dung January 9th 11 05:34 PM

The Shooting of Rep. Giffords and the Left Wing Smear Machine
 
When Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head and
six others were killed Saturday morning by a gunman Jared Loughner,
the left wing smear machine went into high gear. Left wing politicians
blamed the Tea Party (before the gunman was even named), and left wing
hate sites blamed Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh for the shooting, when
it was actually done by one of their murderous own. It’s always one of
their own.

Loughner’s leftwing high school friend, Caitie Parker, remembers him
as a “political radical”: “He was left wing,” she wrote; “As I knew
him he was left wing, quite liberal.”

FOX News has reported that the shooter’s favorite books are the
Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf. Loughner is also reportedly an
atheist. There’s an anti-bible quote in one of his videos: “Every
United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix is receiving one
mini bible before the tests. Jared Loughner is a United States
Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix. Therefore, Jared Loughner is
receiving one mini bible before the tests.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_806243.html

Loughner also has a creepy “music video” up on YouTube, in which he is
dressed as a terrorist and burns an American flag. FOX News has
confirmed that the hooded figure in the video is indeed Loughner.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Starhitshnaz

Also, Congresswoman Giffords is a major Blue Dog Democrat — almost so
right wing that she would be considered a conservative in certain
areas. She was on almost every important issue essentially a
Republican. Her only major left position was support of Obamacare.

But on immigration, she is a blue dog. She supports Second Amendment
gun rights and opposed the ban on guns in Washington, D.C. She is also
a very strong supporter of border control.

The left hates her. The DailyKos put up a post on January 6, which has
now been pulled, saying: “My CongressWOMAN [Gabrielle Giffords] voted
against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!”

This shooting is what they teach, this is the poisonous fruit of their
indoctrination. Clearly, Loughner is sick, mentally ill — but suckling
at the lefty teat is deadly poison for the soul.

Loughner’s mental illness is as obvious as his leftism. He wrote that
“the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people
by controlling grammar.” He also engaged in some deranged rambling
about whether or not he was a terrorist: “If I define terrorist then a
terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a
political weapon. I define terrorist. Thus, a terrorist is a person
who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon. If
you call me a terrorist then the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad
hominem. You call me a terrorist. Thus, the argument to call me a
terrorist is Ad hominem.”

Loughner was busted on a drug related charge; the information
concerning his other arrests is unknown. He did, apparently, issue
death threats — though not directly to Gabrielle Giffords. Still, if
he had a record or case pending, why did he have possession of a Glock
17 9mm pistola? According to the Daily Caller, Loughner had prior run-
ins with the law in the form of at least one arrest, according to two
Public Access documents.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/08/al...#ixzz1AUvXi5T2

http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/up.../01/M-1044.jpg

This reminds me of Ishmael Ax, the slaughterer who mowed down scores
at Virginia Tech. He had a psychiatric record — overnight stays in
asylums. How did he get a gun? Big government fails us time and time
again.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a..._is_ismail_ax/

Despite the evidence of the shooter’s leftwing politics, the leftist
enemedia and culture terrorists are in full assault on the American
psyche, blaming Republicans and our most effetctive leaders, spinning
their bold-faced lies and using this terrible mass murder to destroy
people and the Tea Party.

Hanoi Jane Fonda has blamed the shooting on Sarah Palin and Glenn
Beck. Shame on her and on Arizona State Senator Linda Lopez, who
blamed the Tea Party on FOX news without any basis in concretes or any
knowledge of the identity of the gunman. Shame on Pima County Sheriff
Clarence Dupnik, who said that the shooting was provoked by “the
vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the
government.” Shame on the New York Times’ Paul Krugman, who blamed
“the rhetoric of Beck, Limbaugh, etc.”

Even the Daily Kos’s hate post about Giffords didn’t stop Markos
Moulitsas, the site’s founder, from blaming the shooting on “right-
wing rhetoric.”

They would never make such a public presumption about jihad or the
leftists. Outrageous.

I strongly recommend that left wing defamers and smear merchants tamp
down their evil rhetoric and false accusations. They count on the
right to do what is proper and decent and maintain a respectful
silence (which we always do), while they foam at the mouth with
conspiracy theories and outrageous accusations. They expect us to cede
them the field, so that by the time we get around to correcting the
record, the lies, and the smears — the narrative — is already fixed in
America’s psyche.

Those days are over.

http://biggovernment.com/pgeller/201...e/#more-214116

The six dead innocents of the AZ shooting

Michelle Malkin has the grim list of innocent victims who have died as
a result of wounds received during the AZ shootings yesterday.

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/09...ms-identified/

Not receiving half the attention accorded to Rep. Giffords, is the
tragic death of federal judge John Roll who, unrelated to the shooting
by the madman Loughner, received numerous death threats for some of
his immigration rulings:

John. M. Roll, the federal judge killed Saturday in the Tucson
shooting that critically wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.),
has been at the center of the state's complicated political battle
over immigration.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/...john-roll.html

In February 2009, Roll received hundreds of threats after he allowed a
lawsuit filed by illegal immigrants against a rancher to go forward.
"They cursed him out, threatened to kill his family, said they'd come
and take care of him. They really wanted him dead," a law enforcement
official told The Washington Post in May 2009.

Threats against federal judges and prosecutors nationwide have been
soaring in recent years. There is no indication he was the gunman's
target, and witness accounts describe the shooter as firing at
Giffords first.

U.S. marshals put Roll, who was appointed to the federal bench by
President George H.W. Bush in 1991, under 24-hour protection for about
a month. They guarded his home in a secluded area just outside Tucson,
screening his mail and escorting him to court, to the gym and even to
Mass.

Roll told the Post in May 2009 that "any judge who goes through this
knows it's a stressful situation" and that he and his family were
grateful for the protection.

Also killed was a 9 year old girl, Christina Greene. Christina was
born on September 11, 2001:

Greene's family says she was vibrant, excited about life, and she was
the "best daughter in the world."
Born September 11, 2001, Greene was excited about the political
process, was on the student government, and went to the Giffords event
Saturday to learn more about the political process, family members
say.

Greene attended Mesa Verde Elementary School. She was the only girl on
the Canyon Del Oro baseball team. She loved the sport, as well as
horseback riding and swimming. She wanted to be a veterinarian.

As aide to the congresswoman, Gabe Zimmerman, died in the attack as
well:

Zimmerman was remembered by friends and colleagues on Saturday night
as friendly, dedicated and good humored.
He was engaged to be married, according to media reports, and had
served as a major point of contact for the congresswoman since 2007.

Zimmerman, who worked out of the congresswoman's Tucson office, was
known by local interest groups for going above and beyond the call of
duty.

Several photographs on the Internet show Zimmerman, who was a former
social worker, smiling with his arms around local community leaders.

Among them was Pat Gould, a support group leader in the local chapter
of the Scleroderma Foundation. With Zimmerman's help, the group was
able to garner Giffords' support for legislation recognizing the
disease.

Also killed in the attack: Dorthy Murray, 76; Dorwin Stoddard, 76; and
Phyllis Scheck, 79. According to a tweet from ABC's Jake Tapper who is
at the hospital, there are still 4 victims in critical condition and 5
in serious condition. Earlier reports that Giffords woke up and
recognized her husband before falling back into unconciousness were
false.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...ts_of_the.html

D. Peter Maus[_2_] January 10th 11 12:53 PM

Left-Wing Liberal-Democrats : Using The Shooting of CongresswomanGabrielle Giffords To Incite Violence Against Sarah Palin !
 
On 1/10/11 04:08 , Gary wrote:
I see everyone here is following their marching orders from Judson
Phillips, founder of the Tea Party Nation.

Phillips has sent out mass emails urging the Tea Party supporters to
blame liberals for the attack.

"The hard left is going to try and silence the Tea Party movement by
blaming us for this. Clinton used the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing to
"blame conservative talk radio, especially Rush Limbaugh" and The
tactic worked then, backing conservatives off and possibly helping to
ensure a second Clinton term. The left is coming and will hit us hard
on this. We need to push back harder with the simple truth. The
shooter was a liberal lunatic. Emphasis on both words."


And the facts have proven him correct.


RHF January 10th 11 01:14 PM

Left-Wing Liberal-Democrats : Using The Shooting of CongresswomanGabrielle Giffords To Incite Violence Against "Right-Wing Demagogues" !
 
On Jan 10, 2:08 am, Gary wrote:

First : Let Us All Pray for the Best Possible Recovery
for Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords
-and- God's Comfort, Mercy and Blessing to her
Family, Friends and Staff - Amen ~ RHF

Second : Let Us All Pray for the Best Possible Recovery
for All Those Who Were Injured
-and- God's Comfort, Mercy and Blessing to Their
Families and Many Friends - Amen ~ RHF

Third : Let Us All Pray for All Dead; Their Souls
and Their Acceptance Into Heaven and Eternal Rest
-and- God's Comfort, Mercy and Blessing to Their
Families and Many Friends on the Lost of Thier
Loved Ones - Amen ~ RHF

- I see everyone here is following their marching orders
- from Judson Phillips, founder of the Tea Party Nation.

Just looked him up at : http://www.teapartynation.com/

- Phillips has sent out mass emails urging the Tea Party
- supporters to blame liberals for the attack.

OK Found It : Tea Party Nation Founder:
Arizona Shooter 'A Liberal Lunatic'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...n_806489..html

A Message from Judson Phillips : Tea Party Nation
http://radiopatriot.wordpress.com/20...-party-nation/

-but- Markos Moulitsas [Daily Kos] is now Orchestrating
http://www.dailykos.com/
The-Blame-Game Against "Right-Wing Demagogues"
of Anger/Hate/Aggression/Violence for The Liberal Cause
http://www.talk2action.org/story/201...ielle_Giffords
-and- The Left-Wing Political Cadre wearing their Black
Balaclavas; Backpacks and Jack-Boots :
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/ph...otesters-5.jpg
* Aimed-At-and-Specifically Targeting Sarah Palin !
Hey Markos Will You Rejoice Bathing In Sarah's Blood ?
* Aimed-At-and-Specifically Targeting Glen Beck !
Hey Markos Will You Rejoice Bathing In Glenn's Blood ?
* Aimed-At-and-Specifically Targeting Ann Coulter !
Hey Markos Will You Rejoice Bathing In Ann's Blood ?
* Aimed-At-and-Specifically Targeting Bill O’Reilly !
Hey Markos Will You Rejoice Bathing In Bill's Blood ?
* Aimed-At-and-Specifically Targeting Rush Limbaugh !
Hey Markos Will You Rejoice Bathing In Rush's Blood ?

HEY Markos Moulitsas : What Happens When Your
Left-Wing 'Liberal' Friends Turn On You ?

And Now I Know -oops- Here I Am Saying Blame NO One.
-except- THE ONE LONE CRAZY SHOOTER
-cause- Crazy Can Be Crazy All On It's Own [.]
-wrt- There Ain't No Left-of-C\R\A\Z\Y !
-and- There Ain't No Right-of-C/R/A/Z/Y !
THERE IS JUST C*R*A*Z*Y [.] 100% Pure Crazy.

- "The hard left is going to try and silence the Tea Party movement by
- blaming us for this. Clinton used the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing to
- "blame conservative talk radio, especially Rush Limbaugh" and The
- tactic worked then, backing conservatives off and possibly helping
to
- ensure a second Clinton term. The left is coming and will hit us
hard
- on this. We need to push back harder with the simple truth.

HEY Judson Phillips : What Happens When Your
Right-Wing 'Conservative' Friends Turn On You Too ?

- The shooter was a liberal lunatic.
- Emphasis on both words."

OK The Shooter Was A CRAZY LUNATIC WACKO MANIAC
-emphasis-on-all-four-capitalized-words-

Yes Clearly The Shooter Had Some CRAZY EXTREME
Right-Wing 'Conservative' {Republican} Ideas/Isms
-rolling-a-round-in-his-messed-up-brain-

Yes Clearly The Shooter Had Some CRAZY EXTREME
Left-Wing 'Liberal' {Democrat} Ideas/Isms
-rolling-a-round-in-his-messed-up-brain-

MEDICAL CHECK-UP ASAP ON THE SHOOTER
Do A Full 'Brain Scan' -cause- Maybe This Crazy
Is Caused By A "Tumor" a/o Brain-Damage :
A Real Physical Illness -not- a Mental Illness.
-now-wouldn't-that-explain-a-lot-

-but- The Shooter was only One of 650K Citizens
Living in the 8th AZ Congress District : So Do We
Condemn All The Citizens of that District -for-
? Right-Wing 'Conservative' {Republican} Ideas/Isms !
? Left-Wing 'Liberal' {Democrat} Ideas/Isms !
? Being CRAZY & EXTREME !
No No No = 650K Times NO* !
* Think-About-It : 1 in 650K is 0.00015%
-So- Do We Allow that Micro Percentage To Define
Freedom of Speech and the Political Discourse in
the USA ? -again-no-no-no-

-but- The Shooter was may be One of 180K Voters
in the 2010 8th AZ Congress District Election : So
Do We Condemn All The Voters of that District -for-
? Right-Wing 'Conservative' {Republican} Ideas/Isms !
? Left-Wing 'Liberal' {Democrat} Ideas/Isms !
? Being CRAZY & EXTREME !
No No No = 180K Times NO* !
* Think-About-It : 1 in 180K is 0.00055%
-So- Do We Allow that Mini Percentage To Define
Freedom of Speech and the Political Discourse in
the USA ? -again-no-no-no-

Jared Lee Loughner The AZ Shooter Was/Is A CRAZY [.]
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...7001ab3e470009
He Ain't Right-or-Left : He's Just Plain CRAZY [.]
* Don't Blame The Liberals & Don't Blame The Conservatives
* Blame a Society That Did Not Help Him [.]
* Blame a Public School System That Did Not
Identify His Needs [.]
* Blame a Public Health Care System That Did
Not Help Him and Treat His Illness [.]
* Blame a Public Safety {Police} System That
Did Not Help Him and Protect Us From Him [.]
=WRT= The AZ Shooter Society's Failures Were
Not Political : They Were In The Public Schools;
Public Health Care; and Public Safety.

RHF January 10th 11 01:28 PM

Left-Wing Liberal-Democrats : Using The Shooting of CongresswomanGabrielle Giffords To Incite Violence Against "Right-Wing Demagogues" !
 
On Jan 10, 4:53*am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 1/10/11 04:08 , Gary wrote:

I see everyone here is following their marching orders from *Judson
Phillips, founder of the Tea Party Nation.


Phillips has sent out mass emails urging the Tea Party supporters to
blame liberals for the attack.


"The hard left is going to try and silence the Tea Party movement by
blaming us for this. Clinton used the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing to
"blame conservative talk radio, especially Rush Limbaugh" and The
tactic worked then, backing conservatives off and possibly helping to
ensure a second Clinton term. The left is coming and will hit us hard
on this. We need to push back harder with the simple truth.


- - The shooter was a liberal lunatic.
- - Emphasis on both words."

- And the facts have proven him correct.

Another Inconvenient Truth of Sorts : Lunatic For Sure [.]
The Shooter Was A CRAZY LUNATIC WACKO MANIAC
-emphasis-on-all-four-capitalized-words-

=FIRST=A=FEW=MOMENTS=OF=PRAYER=

* Let Us All Pray for the Best Possible Recovery
for Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords
-and- God's Comfort, Mercy and Blessing to her
Family, Friends and Staff - Amen ~ RHF

* Let Us All Pray for the Best Possible Recovery
for All Those Who Were Injured
-and- God's Comfort, Mercy and Blessing to Their
Families and Many Friends - Amen ~ RHF

* Let Us All Pray for All Dead; Their Souls and
Their Acceptance Into Heaven and Eternal Rest
-and- God's Comfort, Mercy and Blessing to Their
Families and Many Friends on the Lost of Their
Loved Ones - Amen ~ RHF

dxAce January 11th 11 11:35 AM

Judge John Roll and Rep. Giffords
 


John Smith wrote:

On 1/9/2011 9:34 AM, ∅baMa∅ Tse Dung wrote:
When Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head and
six others were killed Saturday morning by a gunman Jared Loughner,
the left wing smear machine went into high gear. Left wing politicians
blamed the Tea Party (before the gunman was even named), and left wing
hate sites blamed Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh for the shooting, when
it was actually done by one of their murderous own. It’s always one of
their own.
...


Although the congresswoman did voice support for the amendments, much
more important was Judge John Roll. Roll was a man who supported the
Constitution from his bench. He proved himself to be a Patriot and a
Great American.

He will be sorely missed. I wonder if the gunman didn't realize the
judge was just as important as the congresswoman in the attack on America.

Someone should have been there and ended the gunmans spree before this
much damage was done.


"Someone should have been there..."

Just 'who' should this 'someone' be?

Smith, you are a raving clown 'tard.

Keep banging on your high-chair.





RHF January 11th 11 11:45 AM

The AZ Shooting : ? Why Not First Think of The Innocent Victims ofThis Crime !
 
On Jan 10, 6:30 am, dave wrote:

- - On 01/10/2011 05:28 AM, RHF wrote:
- - Another Inconvenient Truth of Sorts : Lunatic For Sure [.]
- - The Shooter Was A CRAZY* LUNATIC* WACKO* MANIAC*
- - * -emphasis-on-all-four-capitalized-words-

- Just like Sirhan and Lee Oswald and Artie Bremer
- and Chapman and Jack Ruby and James Earl Ray
- and so on.

-and- Add the Name of : "Jared Lee Loughner"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner
? Some Say He Is Just Plain 'Crazy' !
? Some Have the 'Crazy' Idea He Did Not Act Alone !
-remember- The "Crazies" Are Among Us !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner#Views
-fact-is- THERE BE CRAZIES ! {Mirror Anyone ? :-}

dave January 11th 11 01:04 PM

Re We are all guilty.
 
On 01/11/2011 03:35 AM, dxAce wrote:

Someone should have been there and ended the gunmans spree before this
much damage was done.


"Someone should have been there..."

Just 'who' should this 'someone' be?

Smith, you are a raving clown 'tard.

Keep banging on your high-chair.

The store that sold this documented mental case a high-capacity
semi-auto handgun should lose their FFA and pay reparations.

We are all guilty.

dxAce January 11th 11 01:06 PM

Re We are all guilty.
 


dave wrote:

On 01/11/2011 03:35 AM, dxAce wrote:

Someone should have been there and ended the gunmans spree before this
much damage was done.


"Someone should have been there..."

Just 'who' should this 'someone' be?

Smith, you are a raving clown 'tard.

Keep banging on your high-chair.

The store that sold this documented mental case a high-capacity
semi-auto handgun should lose their FFA and pay reparations.

We are all guilty.


Speak for yourself, you mentally ill piece of ****.



dave January 11th 11 01:11 PM

The AZ Shooting : ? Why Not Blame Palin, Bachman, Sharon Angle,Roy Fisk
 
On 01/11/2011 03:45 AM, RHF wrote:
On Jan 10, 6:30 am, wrote:

- - On 01/10/2011 05:28 AM, RHF wrote:
- - Another Inconvenient Truth of Sorts : Lunatic For Sure [.]
- - The Shooter Was A CRAZY* LUNATIC* WACKO* MANIAC*
- - * -emphasis-on-all-four-capitalized-words-

- Just like Sirhan and Lee Oswald and Artie Bremer
- and Chapman and Jack Ruby and James Earl Ray
- and so on.

-and- Add the Name of : "Jared Lee Loughner"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner
? Some Say He Is Just Plain 'Crazy' !
? Some Have the 'Crazy' Idea He Did Not Act Alone !


.
The AZ Shooting Was One Insane Act of Violence [.]


.
Left-Wing Liberal-Democrats : Using The Shooting of
Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords To Incite Violence
Against Sarah Palin !



Nothing happens in a vacuum. This guy was crazy for years, something put
him over the edge last fall. He went from "Alice in Wonderland" to "Full
Metal Jacket" in whiplash inducing time. What was the catalyst?

To imply this guy didn't listen to the radio is disingenuous; 'Dwardo
says we all listen to the radio. The world is full of crazy people
(Reagan stopped treatment for the mentally ill, preferring to treat them
with powerful meds which homeless people can't afford) that do not buy
Glock 19s with 30 rd clip extenders to take to a town meeting.

Joe from Kokomo[_2_] January 11th 11 01:14 PM

Palpable Lunatic Hate
 
On 1/11/2011 7:54 AM, dave wrote:

When I go to Austin or Houston, I try not to stop anywhere in
Arizona...


There is palpable lunatic hate out there.


Arizona...the state that brought you racist Sharon Angle and governor
Jan Brewer with her real-life, literal, actual death panel.

Heck of a job, Jan.


Joe from Kokomo[_2_] January 11th 11 01:29 PM

The AZ Shooting : ? Why Not Blame Palin, Bachman, Sharon Angle,Roy Fisk
 
On 1/11/2011 8:11 AM, dave wrote:

Nothing happens in a vacuum. This guy was crazy for years, something put
him over the edge last fall. He went from "Alice in Wonderland" to "Full
Metal Jacket" in whiplash inducing time. What was the catalyst?


Well, he may -not- have been "crazy for years". By all current accounts,
he was more or less "normal" -- good student, good grades, participated
in extracurricular activities like band.

Then he got on drugs and everything seemed to go down hill from there.

So maybe drugs is the answer to your "catalyst" question.

dave January 11th 11 01:29 PM

FCC wants to kill free TV within TWO YEARS
 
http://www.multichannel.com/article/..._Two_Years.php

AT&T and Verizon deserve airwaves more than you do. This is a power
gram. There is tons of unused spectrum. Genachowski must be collared.

"Las Vegas — Federal Communications Commission chairman Julius
Genachowski reiterated his position that the U.S. faces a "spectrum
crunch" and said that if the agency gets the Congressional go-ahead it
could reclaim wireless spectrum from TV broadcasters and auction it
within two years.

Genachowski, in a speech at the Consumer Electronics Show here Friday,
said mobile broadband was critical to fueling the country's economic
growth and keeping it globally competitive.

"The consumer electronics industry is going wireless... We need to free
up more spectrum," Genachowski said. "Unleashing mobile spectrum is at
the top of the FCC's 2011 agenda."

He added, "We could be in a position, if Congress acts, to auction this
spectrum in the next year or two and get that on the market... Every day
we have a delay we'll have a cost to the U.S. in terms of our global
competitiveness."

He called wireless spectrum "the oxygen that sustains our mobile
devices," adding, "This invisible infrastructure is the backbone of a
growing percentage of our economy and our lives."
-multichannel

RHF January 11th 11 02:35 PM

'Special-Dave' -preaching- Palpable Lunatic Hate & Creating The Toxic Culture
 
On Jan 11, 4:54*am, dave wrote:
On 01/10/2011 08:03 PM, wrote:

On Jan 10, 9:30 am, *wrote:


All "lone nuts" without visible means of support who end up in the right
state of mind at the right place with the right weapons to do maximum
damage to someone who threatens a corporate goal or represents an ideal
that threatens the existing power structure.


Can't disagree with any of the above.When you are right,you are RIGHT !


- And these hatemongers say "there's no evidence"
- that this guy was influenced by the toxic culture
- they have created.

'Special-Dave' : Clearly You Have Been.
-keep-the-toxic-culture-regurgitation-going-

Joe from Kokomo[_2_] January 11th 11 08:47 PM

The AZ Shooting : ? Why Not Blame Palin, Bachman, Sharon Angle,Roy Fisk
 



On 1/11/2011 8:11 AM, dave wrote:
Nothing happens in a vacuum. This guy was crazy for years,
something put him over the edge last fall. He went from "Alice in
Wonderland" to "Full Metal Jacket" in whiplash inducing time.
What was the catalyst?


On 01/11/2011 05:29 AM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:

Well, he may -not- have been "crazy for years". By all current
accounts, he was more or less "normal" -- good student, good
grades, participated in extracurricular activities like band.

Then he got on drugs and everything seemed to go down hill from
there.

So maybe drugs is the answer to your "catalyst" question.


On 1/11/2011 11:50 AM, dave wrote:

One out of 3 people his age use drugs...


THAT doesn't say too much for our country in my book.

...I don't think that's it (although if you are psychotic they don't
help).


You just don't know that. Some "designer" drugs can cause organic
changes in the brain; witness "The Addict Who Froze" (or similar name)
on PBS several years ago. (a botched batch of a 'designer' drug killed a
certain type of brain cell, inducing a severe, incurable case of
Parkinson's in the "lucky" drug user).

1) He [Loughner] appeared to be a relatively clean-cut kid.
2) He started taking drugs.
3) Everything (grades, friends, social interactions, etc) went to hell
right after that.

Coincidence? NOT!

dave January 11th 11 09:04 PM

Re We are all guilty.
 
On 01/11/2011 09:59 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

As for "increased surveillance," no thanks. I'd rather take a chance
defending my family from the occasional violently insane person than
institute a million-strong army of "watchers" deciding if our every move
is "approved" by our masters or not.

Then we need to screen people carefully when they wish to buy offensive
weapons. No instant background check BS.

dave January 11th 11 09:15 PM

The AZ Shooting : ? Why Not Blame Palin, Bachman, Sharon Angle,Roy Fisk
 
On 01/11/2011 12:47 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:


You just don't know that. Some "designer" drugs can cause organic
changes in the brain; witness "The Addict Who Froze" (or similar name)
on PBS several years ago. (a botched batch of a 'designer' drug killed a
certain type of brain cell, inducing a severe, incurable case of
Parkinson's in the "lucky" drug user).

1) He [Loughner] appeared to be a relatively clean-cut kid.
2) He started taking drugs.
3) Everything (grades, friends, social interactions, etc) went to hell
right after that.

Coincidence? NOT!


Fentanyl. That bad batch of Fentanyl led to some very important
neurological discoveries. Fentanyl is in the domain of the junkie.

Hippie drugs don't do that to people. How do you know when young Jared
started taking drugs?

Bert Hyman January 11th 11 09:29 PM

Palpable Lunatic Hate
 
In Joe from Kokomo
wrote:

On 1/11/2011 7:54 AM, dave wrote:

When I go to Austin or Houston, I try not to stop anywhere in
Arizona...


There is palpable lunatic hate out there.


Arizona...the state that brought you racist Sharon Angle and governor
Jan Brewer with her real-life, literal, actual death panel.


And ex-Governor Janet Napolitano, now the US Secretary of Homeland
Security.

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN

Joe from Kokomo[_2_] January 11th 11 11:46 PM

The AZ Shooting : ? Why Not Blame Palin, Bachman, Sharon Angle,Roy Fisk
 

On 01/11/2011 12:47 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:


You just don't know that. Some "designer" drugs can cause organic
changes in the brain; witness "The Addict Who Froze" (or similar
name) on PBS several years ago. (a botched batch of a 'designer'
drug killed a certain type of brain cell, inducing a severe,
incurable case of Parkinson's in the "lucky" drug user).

1) He [Loughner] appeared to be a relatively clean-cut kid. 2) He
started taking drugs. 3) Everything (grades, friends, social
interactions, etc) went to hell right after that.

Coincidence? NOT!


On 1/11/2011 4:15 PM, dave wrote:

Fentanyl. That bad batch of Fentanyl led to some very important
neurological discoveries. Fentanyl is in the domain of the junkie.


Well, that's putting sort of a fine point on it. Who knows what drugs
Loughner was taking? I don't know. YOU don't know.

Hippie drugs don't do that to people.


a) You don't have a clue what drugs Loughner was taking, "hippie" or
otherwise.
b) Whatever he was taking, how do you know it wasn't contaminated,
adulterated or chemically botched up?

How do you know when young Jared started taking drugs?


From all the media reporting. He started out high school with good
grades, friends, extracurricular activities. So, according to his peers
and former friends, it would seem to be in Junior or Senior year of H.S.
that he experienced a major (down hill) change in his life style.


RHF January 12th 11 12:06 PM

Clowning "BO"-wrt- Blaming Prez "BO"... Who Let The "BO" Out? Who! Who!
 
On Jan 11, 8:56*am, dave wrote:
On 01/11/2011 06:35 AM, RHF wrote:

On Jan 11, 4:54 am, *wrote:
* .
- If you live in a sane place like Los Angeles,


'Special-Dave' : Now "Sane Place" Is Most Debatable.
-is-any-metro-complex-a-sane-place-
* .
- with opposing viewpoints fairly represented in the media,


- - 'Special-Dave' : Now "Fairly" Is Most Debatable.
- - -is-any-metro-complex-a-fair-place-

- Yes. Compared to all of Texas and Arizona
- (except a couple neighborhoods here and there)
- Los Angeles is very sane.

'Special-Dave' : Define "Sane"
=FYI= Your Many 'Way-Way-Out' Posts
Here {RRS} Clearly Indicate You Lack It.

John Smith January 12th 11 05:17 PM

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords : Ain't No Provision for 'Substitute'US Representatives
 
On 1/12/2011 9:07 AM, RHF wrote:

...
Can Her Husband Be Appointed Her Legal
Guardian by the Court -and- Resign For Her ?
...


I certainly HOPE NOT, we have no rule by royalty in this country. The
king can't assume the "queens'" duties ... we simply have no "queens."

Whatever transpires in the interim, a special election will need to be
held to elect someone to fill her office. However, whether she is brain
dead or not, do you really think anyone will notice a difference? I
mean, other than her family and friends?

Haven't all politicians only been reduced to bad jokes? Since they have
stopped representing the will of the majority, what credibility should
they be granted? NONE, in my book ...

Regards,
JS

D Peter Maus[_2_] January 12th 11 05:51 PM

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords : She Is Still Alive : Don't
 
On 1/12/11 10:33 , John Smith wrote:
On 1/12/2011 7:57 AM, dave wrote:

...

I know she won't be reading any House Resolutions for the next few
months. She is incapacitated and not capable of performing normal duties
as a US Representative.


I doubt we shall even notice a change, if/when she resumes her duties.

Most in congress are just a bunch of brain-dead-criminal-puppets ...
their puppet masters like them that way, easier to control the strings,
yanno'?

Regards,
JS





That was a bit over the top, John.



D Peter Maus[_2_] January 12th 11 05:52 PM

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords : Ain't No Provision for 'Substitute'US Representatives
 
On 1/12/11 11:17 , John Smith wrote:
On 1/12/2011 9:07 AM, RHF wrote:

...
Can Her Husband Be Appointed Her Legal
Guardian by the Court -and- Resign For Her ?
...


I certainly HOPE NOT, we have no rule by royalty in this country. The
king can't assume the "queens'" duties ... we simply have no "queens."


Actually, that's happened in a number of states, now.



Whatever transpires in the interim, a special election will need to be
held to elect someone to fill her office. However, whether she is brain
dead or not, do you really think anyone will notice a difference? I
mean, other than her family and friends?

Haven't all politicians only been reduced to bad jokes? Since they have
stopped representing the will of the majority, what credibility should
they be granted? NONE, in my book ...

Regards,
JS



John Smith January 12th 11 05:54 PM

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords : She Is Still Alive : Don't
 
On 1/12/2011 9:51 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:

...
That was a bit over the top, John.



Really? Then perhaps I had better contact a shrink for consultation ...
as it sure seems like that to me.

For example: Over the past decades I have seen republicrats and
democans come and go, and replace each other, and change the party of
office ... one thing has been consistent through it all ... the plans of
the shadow government. Become aware, sit back and watch ... see if you
don't begin to notice it ...

Regards,
JS

John Smith January 12th 11 06:00 PM

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords : Ain't No Provision for 'Substitute'US Representatives
 
On 1/12/2011 9:52 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:

...
Actually, that's happened in a number of states, now.
...



That is why I stated, "... I hope not ..."

You are correct, there is much criminal and un-Constitutional which has
been allowed to happen. Now is the time for people to accept the
responsibility of government, which is theirs, and let the public
servants know they are not their to do their puppet masters bidding, nor
even their own bidding ...

Regards,
JS

[email protected] January 12th 11 06:16 PM

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords : She Is Still Alive : Don't...
 
I try to watch some WLBT 3 12:00 PM tv news, before you know it, that
JIHAD MARXIST BASTID! pops up on there.Quick like a bunny, I click back
on Bonanza on TV Land!
cuhulin


RHF January 12th 11 07:12 PM

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords : Ain't No Provision for'Substitute' US Representatives
 
On Jan 12, 9:52*am, D Peter Maus wrote:
On 1/12/11 11:17 , John Smith wrote:

On 1/12/2011 9:07 AM, RHF wrote:


...
Can Her Husband Be Appointed Her Legal
Guardian by the Court -and- Resign For Her ?
...


I certainly HOPE NOT, we have no rule by royalty in this country. The
king can't assume the "queens'" duties ... we simply have no "queens."


* *Actually, that's happened in a number of states, now.



Whatever transpires in the interim, a special election will need to be
held to elect someone to fill her office. However, whether she is brain
dead or not, do you really think anyone will notice a difference? I
mean, other than her family and friends?


Haven't all politicians only been reduced to bad jokes? Since they have
stopped representing the will of the majority, what credibility should
they be granted? NONE, in my book ...


Regards,
JS


JS,

The normal Legal Process in just about every
US State for someone who can not Think for
Themselves {Brain Damage} or can not Care
for Themselves {Disabled} is for the Courts to
Appoint the Spouse, Children, Sibling, Parent
{A Family Member} as the Guardian of First
Choice if possible.

-if-not- Then the Court will Appointed Guardian
a/o Conservator to Act-For and On-Behalf-Of
the Totally Disabled.

That's What Our Society's Social Service Rules
and Regulations Require and Our Laws Mandate.

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords :
Ain't No Provision for 'Substitute' US Representatives
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e7194d54d61f29
Seems like a good Issue to be Studied and
Resolved by the Leadership of the US House
and it's Members -in-the-near-future- ~ RHF

[email protected] January 12th 11 07:55 PM

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords : She Is Still Alive : Don't Bury Her Yeah : Pray For Her Best Possible Recovery -amen-
 
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 09:54:17 -0800, John Smith
wrote:

On 1/12/2011 9:51 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:

...
That was a bit over the top, John.



Really? Then perhaps I had better contact a shrink for consultation ...
as it sure seems like that to me.


Regards,
JS


John.

Readers are begining to think your one of RHF sock puppets.

You may want to move to Texas. You know, then you could be a

body guard, or maybe just be close to Alex Jones.

OJ.

John Smith January 12th 11 08:17 PM

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords : She Is Still Alive : Don't
 
On 1/12/2011 11:55 AM, wrote:

...
John.

Readers are begining to think your one of RHF sock puppets.

You may want to move to Texas. You know, then you could be a

body guard, or maybe just be close to Alex Jones.

OJ.


I can agree with RHF on some points, on others I strongly disagree. I
am a "Constitutionalist", an independent thinker, in staunch agreement
with the forefathers -- their writing, quotes, etc. I believe we have
the rights granted in the Constitution. I believe the Constitution is
wright, when public servants come to disagreement with the Constitution
they have always been wrong and working to divert the peoples power onto
their puppet masters ...

I believe Alex Jones MOSTLY has it correct.

And, I KNOW 9/11 was an inside job.

If you want to take me gun, I will give it to you ... but you will take
it in pieces, one bullet at a time ...

Regards,
JS


[email protected] January 12th 11 08:28 PM

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords : She Is Still Alive : Don'tB...
 
I spent ten months in Texas, from January 1964 to the morning of October
29, 1964 at Fort Hood, 22nd CML (DS). And I have my DD 214 (Signed by
Authorizing Officer... R.G.Mariano, 1st Lt. WAC) to prove it too.
Texicans.

(tain)

The Stars at night,,,, shine Big and Bright,,,, deep in the Hearrrt,,,,
of Missy Sippy.

Last night, those little specks of that Meteor Shower Shined Big and
Bright.
cuhulin


MnMikew January 12th 11 09:36 PM

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords : She Is Still Alive : Don't Bury Her Yeah : Pray For Her Best Possible Recovery -amen-
 

"John Smith" wrote in message
...

I believe Alex Jones MOSTLY has it correct.

And, I KNOW 9/11 was an inside job.

I used to think you were somewhat intelligent. Truthers are right on par
with the Westboro Baptist loons.



[email protected] January 12th 11 09:46 PM

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords : She Is Still Alive : Don'tB...
 
Doggy didn't make that 1964, actually, 1965 it was.

Gabrielle Giffords gave a Thumbs Up.
I Pray she pulls through OK.
cuhulin


John Smith January 12th 11 09:47 PM

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords : She Is Still Alive : Don't
 
On 1/12/2011 1:36 PM, MNMikew wrote:

...

I used to think you were somewhat intelligent. Truthers are right on par
with the Westboro Baptist loons.



After examining all the evidence, the video released by NIST--recently,
and the lab reports demonstrating the presence of super nano
thermite/themate ... only the unintelligent could NOT believe 9/11 was
an inside job ... think as you must.

Regards,
JS

John Smith January 12th 11 11:30 PM

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords : She Is Still Alive : Don't
 
On 1/12/2011 2:37 PM, MNMikew wrote:

...

LOL! I bet you have a bottle of Alex Jones's contrail pills on your
nightstand too.



Since super nano thermite/thermate suffers from controlled distribution,
I am only aware of the military and building demolition companies being
issued permits.

For it to be distributed in the dust of the WTC ... there is only one
explanation. You can't make uniformly sized nano particles of the
ingredients in your garage. Indeed, I am only aware of the Lawrence
Livermore Labs having successfully created and producing it ...

It is as significant as finding traces of burnt gun power on a suspects
hands in any CSI lab.

Regards,
JS

dave January 13th 11 12:18 AM

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords : Ain't No Provision for 'Substitute'US Representatives
 
On 01/12/2011 09:07 AM, RHF wrote:
On Jan 12, 5:51 am, Joe from wrote:
On 1/12/2011 5:41 AM, RHF wrote:

- I bet she appoints a Republican to finish Rep. Gifford's term.



.


Jim Brady

Bob S January 13th 11 01:10 AM

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords : She Is Still Alive : Don't
 
On 1/12/2011 4:36 PM, MNMikew wrote:
"John wrote in message
...

I believe Alex Jones MOSTLY has it correct.

And, I KNOW 9/11 was an inside job.

I used to think you were somewhat intelligent. Truthers are right on par
with the Westboro Baptist loons.


A few good posts among a landfill of garbage....

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