On Feb 5, 2:32*pm, bpnjensen wrote:
On Feb 5, 12:55*pm, RHF wrote:



On Feb 4, 10:05*pm, bpnjensen wrote:

2-5-2011, GUATEMALA, R. Verdad (tent), 4052.5 AM, very weak SS,
apparent *conversation, SINPO 15231. *Not sure what they are using for
a TX now, but fair signal.

- Bruce Jensen, CA, USA

"CA" is a big place north to south
"SF Bay Area, CA, USA" would be nicer )
*.
- R75 & 60 foot random wire

BpnJ is this "60 foot random wire" your
newly built Shortwave [SWL] Antenna ?
-or- an older existing Shortwave Antenna ?

? I thought it was an Inverted "L" Antenna !
-not-just-a- Straight Horizontal 'Flat' Wire Antenna ?

*IF* the newly built SWL Antenna is
an Inverted "L" Antenna ?

How many Feet in the Up-Vertical-Leg ?
-and- How many Feet in the Out-Horizontal-Arm ?
=Total= Combined Feet of the Antenna Wire
+Plus+ The general 'Lay' {Direction} of the Horizontal
Antenna Wire from the the Up-Vertical-Leg out to the
Far-End of the Out-Horizontal-Arm : N & NE & E & SE
& S & SW & W & NW & N

iwtk ~ RHF
*.
*.

- It's the new one. Well, yes, that's right, an inverted L. The
- vertical is about 30 feet, the horizontal about 60. Oriented nearly
- north-south (not checked with a compass), far end is south.
Guatemala
- is off the forward left side if you looking the direction the
antenna
- is aimed.

BpnJ,

'The Antenna's Size' is "The Antenna's Size" : A Fixed Point
-how-ever- as the Frequency Varies for 500 kHs to 1 MHz
to 2 MHz to 4 MHz to 8 MHz to 16 MHz to 32 MHz
the Propagation Characteristics of the Antenna ~change~
So having the Vertical-Up-Leg as your Starting Reference
Point and your Far-End as your End-Point should/would
allow you to have an Idea {Hunch} about the Receiving
Properties of your Fixed Size Antenna on any given
High {Shortwave} Frequency [HF].

On Feb 5, 2:32*pm, bpnjensen wrote:
On Feb 5, 12:55*pm, RHF wrote:



On Feb 4, 10:05*pm, bpnjensen wrote:

2-5-2011, GUATEMALA, R. Verdad (tent), 4052.5 AM, very weak SS,
apparent *conversation, SINPO 15231. *Not sure what they are using for
a TX now, but fair signal.

- Bruce Jensen, CA, USA

"CA" is a big place north to south
"SF Bay Area, CA, USA" would be nicer )
*.
- R75 & 60 foot random wire

BpnJ is this "60 foot random wire" your
newly built Shortwave [SWL] Antenna ?
-or- an older existing Shortwave Antenna ?

? I thought it was an Inverted "L" Antenna !
-not-just-a- Straight Horizontal 'Flat' Wire Antenna ?

*IF* the newly built SWL Antenna is
an Inverted "L" Antenna ?

How many Feet in the Up-Vertical-Leg ?
-and- How many Feet in the Out-Horizontal-Arm ?
=Total= Combined Feet of the Antenna Wire
+Plus+ The general 'Lay' {Direction} of the Horizontal
Antenna Wire from the the Up-Vertical-Leg out to the
Far-End of the Out-Horizontal-Arm : N & NE & E & SE
& S & SW & W & NW & N

iwtk ~ RHF
*.
*.

It's the new one. *Well, yes, that's right, an inverted L. *The
vertical is about 30 feet, the horizontal about 60. *Oriented nearly
north-south (not checked with a compass), far end is south. *Guatemala
is off the forward left side if you looking the direction the antenna
is aimed.

How much does the 30 vertical do for you, other than collect
vertically polarized QRM? *The only reason, really, I built it this
way was to allow the 9:1 antenna unun to be mounted near ground (the
ground is not in place yet, but will be soon).

- Otherwise, I would have put the whole thing up high,
- or possibly sloped with the unun end down.

Better would be to have the Feed-in-Line running
4"~6" below the Ground directly under the Wire
Antenna Element all the way out to the UnUn and
Ground Rod; with the Antenna Element Sloping-Up
back over the 'lay' of the Feed-in-Line.

~ RHF

On 02/06/2011 02:14 AM, RHF wrote:
On Feb 5, 2:32 pm, wrote:

.
- The only reason, really, I built it this way was to
- allow the 9:1 antenna unun to be mounted near
- ground (the ground is not in place yet, but will be
- soon). Otherwise, I would have put the whole thing
- up high, or possibly sloped with the unun end down.

Close to the Ground is 'good'.
.
- This morning (1800z onward), the VOA relays from
- MDG and BOT (Africa) on 16 and 19 meters were
- coming in almost like locals.
-
- Bruce

Real slopers have the feedpoint at the top.

On 02/06/2011 02:32 AM, RHF wrote:

Better would be to have the Feed-in-Line running
4"~6" below the Ground directly under the Wire
Antenna Element all the way out to the UnUn and
Ground Rod; with the Antenna Element Sloping-Up
back over the 'lay' of the Feed-in-Line.


Why not elevate the transmission line overhead and implement a switching
arrangement to turn the mess above into a delta loop if needed for fun
and education on certain bands. What would the circumference be??

On Feb 6, 2:14*am, RHF wrote:
On Feb 5, 2:32*pm, bpnjensen wrote:









On Feb 5, 12:55*pm, RHF wrote:

On Feb 4, 10:05*pm, bpnjensen wrote:

2-5-2011, GUATEMALA, R. Verdad (tent), 4052.5 AM, very weak SS,
apparent *conversation, SINPO 15231. *Not sure what they are using for
a TX now, but fair signal.

- Bruce Jensen, CA, USA

"CA" is a big place north to south
"SF Bay Area, CA, USA" would be nicer )
*.
- R75 & 60 foot random wire

BpnJ is this "60 foot random wire" your
newly built Shortwave [SWL] Antenna ?
-or- an older existing Shortwave Antenna ?

? I thought it was an Inverted "L" Antenna !
-not-just-a- Straight Horizontal 'Flat' Wire Antenna ?

*IF* the newly built SWL Antenna is
an Inverted "L" Antenna ?

How many Feet in the Up-Vertical-Leg ?
-and- How many Feet in the Out-Horizontal-Arm ?
=Total= Combined Feet of the Antenna Wire
+Plus+ The general 'Lay' {Direction} of the Horizontal
Antenna Wire from the the Up-Vertical-Leg out to the
Far-End of the Out-Horizontal-Arm : N & NE & E & SE
& S & SW & W & NW & N

iwtk ~ RHF
*.
*.

- It's the new one. *Well, yes, that's right, an inverted L. *The
- vertical is about 30 feet, the horizontal about 60. *Oriented nearly
- north-south (not checked with a compass), far end is south.
Guatemala
- is off the forward left side if you looking the direction the
antenna
- is aimed.

BpnJ,

'The Antenna's Size' is "The Antenna's Size" : A Fixed Point
-how-ever- as the Frequency Varies for 500 kHs to 1 MHz
to 2 MHz to 4 MHz *to 8 MHz *to 16 MHz *to 32 MHz
the Propagation Characteristics of the Antenna ~change~
So having the Vertical-Up-Leg as your Starting Reference
Point and your Far-End as your End-Point should/would
allow you to have an Idea {Hunch} about the Receiving
Properties of your Fixed Size Antenna on any given
High {Shortwave} Frequency [HF].
*.
*.
- How much does the 30 vertical do for you, other than
- collect vertically polarized QRM?

How better to get to your 60 Foot Out-Horizontal-Arm
1/3rd Omni-Direction Vertical Antenna
+plus+
2/3rds Off-the-Sides Horizontal Antenna*
-and- 45 Degree Out-from-the-Sides Horizontal Antenna*
-and- Off-the-End Horizontal Antenna*
* Depending on the Frequency
*.
- The only reason, really, I built it this way was to
- allow the 9:1 antenna *unun to be mounted near
- ground (the ground is not in place yet, but will be
- soon). *Otherwise, I would have put the whole thing
- up high, or possibly sloped with the unun end down.

Close to the Ground is 'good'.
*.
- This morning (1800z onward), the VOA relays from
- MDG and BOT (Africa) on 16 and 19 meters were
- coming in almost like locals.
-
- Bruce

Strong Signals and less noise is good too ) ~ RHF
*.
*.

Actually, isn't the directionality of a wire along it's axis? That's
how the PAR end-fed SWL antenna is, according to Dale...

On Feb 6, 6:09*am, dave wrote:
On 02/06/2011 02:14 AM, RHF wrote:

On Feb 5, 2:32 pm, *wrote:
* .
- The only reason, really, I built it this way was to
- allow the 9:1 antenna *unun to be mounted near
- ground (the ground is not in place yet, but will be
- soon). *Otherwise, I would have put the whole thing
- up high, or possibly sloped with the unun end down.

Close to the Ground is 'good'.
* .
- This morning (1800z onward), the VOA relays from
- MDG and BOT (Africa) on 16 and 19 meters were
- coming in almost like locals.
-
- Bruce

Real slopers have the feedpoint at the top.

Yepp, but then it's a lot harder to get the thing grounded. Either
way, you still get a more omni pattern.

On Feb 6, 2:32*am, RHF wrote:
..

- Otherwise, I would have put the whole thing up high,
- or possibly sloped with the unun end down.

Better would be to have the Feed-in-Line running
4"~6" below the Ground directly under the Wire
Antenna Element all the way out to the UnUn and
Ground Rod; with the Antenna Element Sloping-Up
back over the 'lay' of the Feed-in-Line.

~ RHF


Why is the alignment important?

On 02/06/2011 09:08 AM, bpnjensen wrote:
On Feb 6, 2:14 am, wrote:
On Feb 5, 2:32 pm, wrote:









On Feb 5, 12:55 pm, wrote:

On Feb 4, 10:05 pm, wrote:

2-5-2011, GUATEMALA, R. Verdad (tent), 4052.5 AM, very weak SS,
apparent conversation, SINPO 15231. Not sure what they are using for
a TX now, but fair signal.

- Bruce Jensen, CA, USA

"CA" is a big place north to south
"SF Bay Area, CA, USA" would be nicer )
.
- R75& 60 foot random wire

BpnJ is this "60 foot random wire" your
newly built Shortwave [SWL] Antenna ?
-or- an older existing Shortwave Antenna ?

? I thought it was an Inverted "L" Antenna !
-not-just-a- Straight Horizontal 'Flat' Wire Antenna ?

*IF* the newly built SWL Antenna is
an Inverted "L" Antenna ?

How many Feet in the Up-Vertical-Leg ?
-and- How many Feet in the Out-Horizontal-Arm ?
=Total= Combined Feet of the Antenna Wire
+Plus+ The general 'Lay' {Direction} of the Horizontal
Antenna Wire from the the Up-Vertical-Leg out to the
Far-End of the Out-Horizontal-Arm : N& NE& E& SE
& S& SW& W& NW& N

iwtk ~ RHF
.
.

- It's the new one. Well, yes, that's right, an inverted L. The
- vertical is about 30 feet, the horizontal about 60. Oriented nearly
- north-south (not checked with a compass), far end is south.
Guatemala
- is off the forward left side if you looking the direction the
antenna
- is aimed.

BpnJ,

'The Antenna's Size' is "The Antenna's Size" : A Fixed Point
-how-ever- as the Frequency Varies for 500 kHs to 1 MHz
to 2 MHz to 4 MHz to 8 MHz to 16 MHz to 32 MHz
the Propagation Characteristics of the Antenna ~change~
So having the Vertical-Up-Leg as your Starting Reference
Point and your Far-End as your End-Point should/would
allow you to have an Idea {Hunch} about the Receiving
Properties of your Fixed Size Antenna on any given
High {Shortwave} Frequency [HF].
.
.
- How much does the 30 vertical do for you, other than
- collect vertically polarized QRM?

How better to get to your 60 Foot Out-Horizontal-Arm
1/3rd Omni-Direction Vertical Antenna
+plus+
2/3rds Off-the-Sides Horizontal Antenna*
-and- 45 Degree Out-from-the-Sides Horizontal Antenna*
-and- Off-the-End Horizontal Antenna*
* Depending on the Frequency
.
- The only reason, really, I built it this way was to
- allow the 9:1 antenna unun to be mounted near
- ground (the ground is not in place yet, but will be
- soon). Otherwise, I would have put the whole thing
- up high, or possibly sloped with the unun end down.

Close to the Ground is 'good'.
.
- This morning (1800z onward), the VOA relays from
- MDG and BOT (Africa) on 16 and 19 meters were
- coming in almost like locals.
-
- Bruce

Strong Signals and less noise is good too ) ~ RHF
.
.

Actually, isn't the directionality of a wire along it's axis? That's
how the PAR end-fed SWL antenna is, according to Dale...

That is a very complicated subject. Usually a wire close to the ground
has a pattern between a kaleidoscope and a butterfly on acid. Seriously,
like a butterfly more often than not, with various lobes and nulls
depending on the frequency.

On 02/06/2011 09:10 AM, bpnjensen wrote:
On Feb 6, 2:32 am, wrote:
.

- Otherwise, I would have put the whole thing up high,
- or possibly sloped with the unun end down.

Better would be to have the Feed-in-Line running
4"~6" below the Ground directly under the Wire
Antenna Element all the way out to the UnUn and
Ground Rod; with the Antenna Element Sloping-Up
back over the 'lay' of the Feed-in-Line.

~ RHF


Why is the alignment important?

I was playing along but wondered the same thing.

On Feb 6, 6:09*am, dave wrote:
On 02/06/2011 02:14 AM, RHF wrote:

On Feb 5, 2:32 pm, *wrote:
* .
- The only reason, really, I built it this way was to
- allow the 9:1 antenna *unun to be mounted near
- ground (the ground is not in place yet, but will be
- soon). *Otherwise, I would have put the whole thing
- up high, or possibly sloped with the unun end down.

Close to the Ground is 'good'.
* .
- This morning (1800z onward), the VOA relays from
- MDG and BOT (Africa) on 16 and 19 meters were
- coming in almost like locals.
-
- Bruce

Real slopers have the feedpoint at the top.

Dave a "Sloper" Antenna gets it's name from the
fact that the Wire Antenna Element is 'Sloping' :
There are many 'types' of so-called "Sloper" Antennas
-and- Many 'configurations' of so-called "Sloper"
Antennas
-all- Built for a specific Radio Listening {Broadcasting}
needs and equally practical 'design' considerations.