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On 4/14/11 19:21 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 4/14/2011 8:49 AM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 4/14/2011 12:49 AM, wrote:

When I worked at Delta Cotton Oil, some of those shafts were
powered by big flat belts.One time one of those guys somehow
got part of his pants caught between the belt on one of those
shafts.It snatched his pants right OFF of him.

Or, as the Republicans would say, "WE don't need no big
government, we don't need no stinkin' OSHA".

On 4/14/2011 10:06 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

As I hope you've divined by now, I have no attachment whatever to
the increasingly despicable Republicans.

But it does seem odd, even perverse, to me that anyone harmed by
the actions of another would immediately run to the biggest band
of criminals in North America -- the "legislators" and
"regulators" in Washington -- as a solution.

First of all, you seem to be putting the cart before the horse
when you say "anyone harmed by the actions of another". The *whole
point* of agencies like OSHA is to keep people from being harmed in
the first place. If the OSHA mandated belt guards were installed,
Coohoo's buddy would not have been sucked in in the first place.

Finally, "odd, even perverse" is your opinion of regulators.

Personally, I'm sort of glad that we have agencies like the FDA
and the FAA, to name just two. Are they perfect? Heck, no. Are
they better than taking your chances with private businesses driven
by greed? In my opinion...yes, waaay better.

Please remember that these regulatory agencies came into being
solely because of scandals and disasters usually caused by the
carelessness and/or greed of private businesses wanting to save a
buck (like not installing the belt guards).

On 4/14/2011 11:42 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

No, these agencies came into being as a political response to
headlines borne of scandals and disasters. That is a significant
distinction. As such, there is a political element to their
operation...

Well, as one of my old calculus professors was fond of saying, "You have
an intuitive grasp of the obvious". A government agency is political?
Gee, whatta surprise! Even in the private sector, I will presume you
have heard of office "politics". It's human nature to be "political".

I remember being on site during an OSHA inspection of a drafting firm
I worked at in the late mid 70's. The OSHA representative threatened
to write us up over several electrical violations...[rest of
anecdotal story of an incompetent OSHA inspector snipped]

News flash!!!

ANY, repeat ANY, organization, government OR private, has its share of
incompetents. But don't let this cause you to throw out the baby with
the bath water.

Perhaps you overlooked what I said above, so here it is again:

Are they [regulatory agencies] perfect? Heck, no.

In addition to politics, greed seems to be an even bigger part of the
human condition. Given a choice between NO regulation to counter-balance
the greed versus a regulatory body, however imperfect, I will go with
regulation every time.