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April 19th 11, 01:14 PM
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Great Post!
On 04/18/2011 03:10 PM, Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Apr 18, 4:58 pm, Nickname wrote: On Apr 18, 3:10 pm, "D. Peter wrote: its really not hard to dismiss rand rants that tried to dress up a pig. it can be done with as little as one short sentence such as lincolns quote, or galbraiths quote. others maybe took a small paragraph or to, to destroy her illusion, and put squarely on the table what she was, and what she stood for. "Two novels can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other involves orcs." "The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of 
private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic 
state itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism-- ownership of government by an 
individual, by a group, or by any controlling private power." -Franklin D. Roosevelt show me a criminal that is for regulation " For too many of us the political equality we once had won was meaningless in the face of economic inequality. A small group had concentrated into their own hands an almost complete control over other people's property, other people's money, other people's labor — other people's lives. For too many of us life was no longer free; liberty no longer real; men could no longer follow the pursuit of happiness. Against economic tyranny such as this, the American citizen could appeal only to the organized power of government. The collapse of 1929 showed up the despotism for what it was. The election of 1932 was the people's mandate to end it. Under that mandate it is being ended. President Franklin Roosevelt " "The perfect liberty they seek is the liberty of making slaves of other people." -- Abraham Lincoln We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob. --Franklin D. Roosevelt The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.--John Kenneth Galbraith "There is a great deal of psychological comfort to be found in a fully fledged ideology such as laissez faire because it removes the need for critical thought. The ideology is used as an algorithm. All the individual has to do in any situation is to ask what the ideology requires by way of action. The fact that the action may be harmful or the ideology objectively at odds with reality is emotionally unimportant for the individual. What matters is that an answer has been found which is compatible with the ideology. This is especially appealing to the less intellectually curious. Psychologically, political ideologies are akin to religion and their practitioners behave in an essentially religious manner. For example, in the case of laissez faire, its disciples chant "let the market decide" in the manner of Christians saying "God will provide." Those amongst the elite who are not true believers in laissez faire will, in most cases, toe the ideological line because they deem it prudent to do so for their own careers and security. The few who speak out against it are simply sidelined. ROBERT HENDERSON" ayn rand novels are not historically accurate, nor are they the product of a stable mind. what is the definition of a crank? one who gives out advise that makes no sense at all. what is the definition of a crank? one who accepts, or embraces advise that makes no sense at all. our state and nation have experienced major declines resulting from contemporary conservative leaders and their simplistic ideas. their dour polices regularly fail to connect the dots, let alone comprehend the space between them. richard a. swanson definition of a cult:Confusing Doctrine Encouraging blind acceptance and rejection of logic through complex lectures on an incomprehensible doctrine, Chanting and Singing Eliminating non-cult ideas through group repetition of mind-narrowing chants or phrases While it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative. ... John Stuart Mill "The game of Darwinian economics and the enshrinement of market- miracle theology is really the systematic looting of the pockets and purses of the middle class" Jerry M. Landay of Bristol Advocates of capitalism are very apt to appeal to the sacred principles of liberty, which are embodied in one maxim: The fortunate must not be restrained in the exercise of tyranny over the unfortunate. - Bertrand Russell Taxes are not "punishment for success". Nor are they "theft". Taxes are a royalty paid commensurate to the economic benefit obtained from a shared socio-economic system. "Those who gain the benefit should also bear the disadvantage." - Common Law maxim ``Capitalism sowed the seeds of its own demise because the benefits of a decade-long boom accrued to capital, with nothing flowing to labor. Telling workers who hadn't had a decent pay raise for years to tighten their belts once the good times ended proved disastrous. The biggest political story of 2008 is getting little coverage. It involves the collapse of assumptions that have dominated our economic debate for three decades. Since the Reagan years, free market cliches have passed for sophisticated economic analysis. But in the current crisis, these ideas are falling, one by one, as even conservatives recognize that capitalism is ailing. You know the talking points: Regulation is the problem and deregulation is the solution. The distribution of income and wealth doesn't matter. Providing incentives for the investors of capital to "grow the pie" is the only policy that counts. Free trade produces well-distributed economic growth, and any dissent from this orthodoxy is "protectionism." e.j. dionne teddy roosevelt We wish to control big business so as to secure among other things good wages for the wage-workers and reasonable prices for the consumers. Wherever in any business the prosperity of the businessman is obtained by lowering the wages of his workmen and charging an excessive price to the consumers we wish to interfere and stop such practices. We will not submit to that kind of prosperity any more than we will submit to prosperity obtained by swindling investors or getting unfair advantages over business rivals. Remember, when a Republican talks about "Free" Markets, they mean Free of Regulation Free of Oversight Free of Competition Free of Ethics Free of Morality Free of Common Sense Free of Long Term Thinking' "disinterest in good government has long been a principle of modern conservatism." paul krugman Economist and author Henry Liu summed it up brilliantly in a recent article in the Asia Times: "The collapse of market fundamentalism in economies everywhere is putting the Chicago School theology on trial. Its big lie has been exposed by facts on two levels. The Chicago Boys' claim that helping the rich will also help the poor is not only exposed as not true, it turns out that market fundamentalism hurts not only the poor and the powerless; it hurts everyone, rich and poor, albeit in different ways. When wages are kept low to fight inflation, the low-wage regime causes overcapacity through over investment from excess profit. And monetary easing under such conditions produces hyperinflation that hurts also the rich. The fruits of Friedman test are in - and they are all rotten." and we can go back to adam smith, who was really a socialist, not a libertarian, who advocated for wealth redistribution, unions, regulation, as well as taxation based on ones abilities to pay. |
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