On Apr 27, 3:02*pm, Alfred stomacker
wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:51:57 -0500, D Peter Maus
wrote:









On 4/27/11 13:03 , John Smith wrote:
On 4/27/2011 10:35 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:

...
The questions raised by the statement by the Governor of Hawaii stating
that the long form certificate did not exist, aside, John, the real
issues should be defeating this guy at the polls and defeating his
agenda in the political arena.

Put your energy there. Even if what you suspect were to be true, there's
no entity in the nation that's going to remove him from office, nor
negate his policies based on the birth issue alone.

That would be a crime in itself. To criminally assist an illegal
president is above and beyond being worthy of the charge of treason.

Put your energy into educating your opponents about policy, the lessons
of history, and strength of the founding documents in a Third Millenium
world.

Put your energy where it can inspire action.

Peter:

Your text is well taken here. You name very important ideals, and truth.

However, this needs followed to the very end. This issue of a president
attempting to sit office without proper documentation and proof of
eligibility NEVER NEEDS HAPPEN AGAIN!

However, it appears I find myself 95% in agreement with you!

* Then consider this:

* IF--and that's a big 'if'--IF there is any truth to what you're
asserting, there is no mechanism in the Constitution from removing the
man from his office.

* No Court can do it. And there is no political will to do it. But even
IF, and again a big 'if', there were some corrupt internal process
protecting the man's chair from legal processes to remove him, the REAL
solution would still be to defeat him at the polls and defeat his
policies in the political process.

* In this light, the birth issue is, in all practical terms, academic..
And pursuit of it is a waste of time and resources that can be better
applied to other processes. Don't let him continue to work his damage
while you concentrate on an academic issue.

* The man still needs to be defeated. The man's policies still need to
be defeated.

* Put your energy there. Regardless of the processes by which he
achieved power, and regardless of the process by which he may keep it,
the REAL correction is in his defeat. Put your energy into that.

* And worry about the birth issue once he's been defeated. And revise
the process so it can't happen again once he's been stopped from doing
the damage he seems determined to do. But don't let him continue to do
what he's doing while you worry about something that will not produce a
result.

he will be defeated and all his " work " shall be undone

Good luck with that :-D Right now the Americans despise the GOP by
about 2-1!

On Apr 27, 12:32*pm, John Smith wrote:

Run along and play with the other children now, the adults are talking ....

....in the other room. You're out here in the sandbox throwing cat****.

In article , says...

On 4/27/2011 12:50 PM, John Smith wrote:

I am highly aware that people attempt to forge false documents.
Indeed, it could be called a common practice in this day and age of
identity fraud.

Well, I wondered how long it would be until someone questioned the
validity of the document.

Birther Kooktard: "Oh, the document is a fraud!"

Reasonable person: "OK, we'll get an expert to check it".

BK: "Oh, the expert checking it is on the take. I don't trust him".

Blah, blah, blah...round and round it goes.

The next thing you know, people will start questioning whether his
mother was a citizen. Ooops, sorry, the troll JS of oral diarrhea fame
already did bring that up.

The parents nationality, whether he ever surrendered citizenship, to
assume citizenship of another country, the legal questions of the
influence of his parents citizenship, etc. will all need to be
examined also, after this document has had time to be properly
vetted ...

There is no end to it. Once a Birther Kooktard, Always a Birther Kooktard.

JS was already a terminal case before Obama came along.

--
BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!

http://www.rense.com/general93/ob1.htm
Phoney Fraud Fake Birth Certificate.
cuhulin

On Apr 27, 10:29*am, John Smith wrote:
On 4/27/2011 6:56 AM, wrote:

On Apr 27, 6:23 am, *wrote:
What will the Republicans do next to convince America that Obama is
not a real American?
The Publicans will remind us of the TV show, "The Agency" and tell us
how it was fabricate by the CIA on orders from the White House. *And
just to compound the hyprocrisy, the will also criticize him for
wasting time and taxpayer money on responding to the birther nuts.

I am still over joyed that the moron aholes who claimed the
certification was a real birth certificate can now be made the liars
they are and have to eat their words as we all look at a REAL? birth
certificate!

BWAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

Poor poor poor Johnny KQQK!!! RUNNING AWAY at breakneck speed from his
previous lies to invent NEW lies!!

Hint: The long form Obama had to beg for special exceptions from
Hawaii to get the state to give him CONFIRMS the COLB is real.

Oooooooo, I am gonna ENJOY shoving this down your throat for a
loooooong time to come!

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On Apr 27, 11:10*am, Alfred stomacker
wrote:

Hawaii already stated many times that no one can obtain a long *form
BC .

And the state this week caved in to the president's request and made
an exception to that rule.

Hawaii officials also stated that no long form existed . They it was
missing .

They said no such thing, loon. No Hawaiian official said it was
missing or did not exist.

Gov. Neil Abercrombie two months ago: "It actually exists." What is
still confusing to you about this?

Hawaii also stated to Anderson cooper's team , aired yesterday , that
you can get one just ask for it ..."???? WTF . thought you could not
do that .

You cannot. Hawaii agreed to carve out an exception in this one case.

Oh yes and Hawaii has a law forbidding the release of the long form
BC.

But Obama just happens to find his .

No, he asked Hawaii to make an exception to its rule to shove this
down you loons' throats, and it agreed.

anyone can forge a document .

Yes, you dishonest birfloons have shown that over the past three years
by forging several of them!

Anyone can pay a person on the take to
sign it and swear it is legal .

And you did that. but people with actual brains never bought the crap
you tried to sell.

Hint:
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On Apr 27, 11:35*am, D Peter Maus wrote:
On 4/27/11 12:24 , John Smith wrote:



On 4/27/2011 10:05 AM, w spilman wrote:

...
The first document was all that is required to prove
American citizenship. Nobody lied, loser.

Confabulated and lying to the very end ... you go on record ...

With the real birth certificate (supposedly) we now can properly have
this issue examined. If a valid document, this fulfills the requirement
demanded by the Constitution, but only as far as birth proof.

The parents nationality, whether he ever surrendered citizenship, to
assume citizenship of another country, the legal questions of the
influence of his parents citizenship, etc. will all need to be examined
also, after this document has had time to be properly vetted ...

Just ending the lies of the false certification being proper has ended
... those nutjobs are now on record ...

Regards,
JS

* The questions raised by the statement by the Governor of Hawaii
stating that the long form certificate did not exist, aside, John,

Ummm, the governor of Hawaii never said it did not exist.

Here is Gov. Neil Abercrombie's actual quote:

"It actually exists."

This is not waffling or equivocation. There is no doubt. He did NOT
say it did not exist. That is simply one more birfer lie.

the
real issues should be defeating this guy at the polls and defeating his
agenda in the political arena.

Why would voters want to defeat the president who rescued capitalism
and America from Republican malfeasance and put back in power the
incompetent thieves who brought us to the brink of the Second Great
GOP Depression?

On Apr 27, 12:14*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 4/27/2011 11:10 AM, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE wrote:

* ...

I'd say brithers have been totally vindicated by finally having it
admitted that the first document was NOT A REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

Please cite any such admission, poor poor retreating birfloon Johnny
KQQK.

Please be so good as to put that citation right here --------
____________

BWAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAHAHAAAA!!!

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PROVEN to be true and correct by yesterday's release!!!

NEVER IN DOUBT, as Mighty Iarnrod has been saying!! My exact words:
"Not in dispute!"

PROVEN FACT!!!

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SUCK on it a good long time, Johnny KQQK, it's all you're gonna have
for a long long time!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAHAAAHAHAAA!!!

On Apr 27, 12:03*pm, John Smith wrote:

However, this needs followed to the very end. *This issue of a president
attempting to sit office without proper documentation and proof of
eligibility NEVER NEEDS HAPPEN AGAIN!

HET IDIOT: Obama was the FIRST and ONLY president EVER to provide
proper documentation three years ago. NONE BEFORE HIM ever released a
birth certificate prior to taking office.

OBAMA SET NEW STANDARDS OF TRANSPARENCY AND OPENNESS 3 whole years
ago!!

As I love to say, NOT IN DISPUTE!!

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EAT IT, KOOK!

sips multiple Victory Iced Teas

GREAT to be Mighty Iarnrod today, and indeed every day!!

On Apr 27, 4:33*pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 4/27/11 17:03 , Lamont Cranston wrote:



On 4/27/2011 10:35 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:
On 4/27/11 12:24 , John Smith wrote:
On 4/27/2011 10:05 AM, w spilman wrote:

...
The first document was all that is required to prove
American citizenship. Nobody lied, loser.

Confabulated and lying to the very end ... you go on record ...

With the real birth certificate (supposedly) we now can properly
have
this issue examined. If a valid document, this fulfills the
requirement
demanded by the Constitution, but only as far as birth proof.

The parents nationality, whether he ever surrendered citizenship, to
assume citizenship of another country, the legal questions of the
influence of his parents citizenship, etc. will all need to be
examined
also, after this document has had time to be properly vetted ...

Just ending the lies of the false certification being proper has
ended
... those nutjobs are now on record ...

Regards,
JS

The questions raised by the statement by the Governor of Hawaii
stating
that the long form certificate did not exist

LIE.

* It was widely reported in all the mainstream press.

How come you cannot cite it then, LOON?

BWAHAAHHAHAAA!!

Too ****in' funny to watch the birfoons nationwide in FULL KOOKER
RETREAT!!

Hint:
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amaz...hCertObama.jpg
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PROVEN REAL!!!