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Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners AgainstGlobal Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
On Jul 31, 10:04*am, ka6uup wrote:
A little old but..... Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners Against Global Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate March 16, 2007 Posted By Marc Morano – 8:45 AM ET – Just days before former Vice President Al Gore’s scheduled visit to testify about global warming before the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment & Public Works, a high profile climate debate between prominent scientists Wednesday evening ended with global warming skeptics being voted the clear winner by a tough New York City before an audience of hundreds of people. Before the start of the nearly two hour debate the audience polled 57.3% to 29.9% in favor of believing that Global Warming was a “crisis”, but following the debate the numbers completely flipped to 46.2% to 42.2% in favor of the skeptical point of view. The audience also found humor at the expense of former Vice President Gore’s reportedly excessive home energy use. After the stunning victory, one of the scientists on the side promoting the belief in a climate "crisis" appeared to concede defeat by noting his debate team was ‘pretty dull" and at "a sharp disadvantage" against the skeptics. ScientificAmerican.com’s blog agreed, saying the believers in a man-made climate catastrophe “seemed underarmed for the debate and, not surprising, it swung against them." The New York City audience laughed as Gore became the butt of humor during the debate. "What we see in this is an enormous danger for politicians in terms of their hypocrisy. I’m not going to say anything about Al Gore and his house. But it is a very serious point," quipped University of London emeritus professor Philip Stott to laughter from the audience. The audience also applauded a call by novelist Michael Crichton to stop the hypocrisy of environmentalists and Hollywood liberals by enacting a ban on private jet travel. "Let’s have the NRDC (Natural Resources Defense Council), the Sierra Club and Greenpeace make it a rule that all of their members, cannot fly on private jets. They must get their houses off the [power] grid. They must live in the way that they’re telling everyone else to live. And if they won’t do that, why should we? And why should we take them seriously?" Crichton said to applause audience. (For more debate quotes see bottom of article) The debate was sponsored by the Oxford-style debating group Intelligence Squared and featured such prominent man-made global warming skeptics as MIT scientist Richard Lindzen, the University of London emeritus professor of biogeography Philip Stott and Physician turned Novelist/filmmaker Michael Crichton on one side. The scientists arguing for a climate ‘crisis’ were NASA scientist Gavin Schmidt, meteorologist Richard C.J. Somerville of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography and Brenda Ekwurzel of the Union of Concerned Scientists. The event, which was moderated by New York Public Radio’s Brian Lehrer, debated the proposition: "Global warming is not a crisis.” Skeptics Dramatically Convinced Audience The skeptics achieved the vote victory despite facing an audience that had voted 57% in favor of the belief that mankind has created a climate "crisis" moments before the debate began. But by the end of the debate, the audience dramatically reversed themselves and became convinced by the arguments presented by the skeptical scientists. At the conclusion, the audience voted for the views of the skeptics by a margin of 46.2% to 42.2%. Skeptical audience members grew from a pre-debate low of 29.9% to a post debate high of 46.2% -- a jump of nearly 17 percentage points. [Link to official audience voting results] [Link to full debate pdf transcript] Scientist Concedes Debate To Skeptics NASA’s Gavin Schmidt, one of the scientists debating for the notion of a man-made global warming "crisis" conceded after the debate that his side was ‘pretty dull’ and was at "a sharp disadvantage." Schmidt made the comments in a March 15 blog posting at RealClimate.org. "…I'm afraid the actual audience (who by temperament I'd say were split roughly half/half on the question) were apparently more convinced by the entertaining narratives from [Novelist Michael] Crichton and [UK’s Philip] Stott (not so sure about Lindzen) than they were by our drier fare. Entertainment-wise it's hard to blame them. Crichton is extremely polished and Stott has a touch of the revivalist preacher about him. Comparatively, we were pretty dull," Schmidt wrote. ‘Advantage: Climate Contrarians’ The ScientificAmerican.com’s blog also declared the global warming skeptics the clear winner of the debate in a March 15 post titled: "Debate Skills? Advantage: Climate Contrarians." "The proponents [of a climate crisis] seemed underarmed for the debate and, not surprisingly, it swung against them, particularly when Schmidt made the fatal debating error of dismissing the ability of the audience to judge the scientific nuances," ScientificAmerican.com’s David Biello wrote. The advocates of climate alarmism "were faced with the folksy anecdotes of Crichton and the oratorical fire of Stott," Biello wrote at ScientificAmerican.com. Biello concluded, "…the audience responded to Crichton's satirical call for a ban on private jets more than Ekwurzel's vague we need to throw ‘everything we can at the climate crisis.’ By the final vote, 46 percent of the audience had been convinced that global warming was indeed not a crisis, while just 42 percent persisted in their opinion that it was." Biello also criticized climate "crisis" advocate Richard Somerville as "perplexed" and "hardly inspiring." Skeptic’s ‘Very Popular’ Debate participant Schmidt lamented that the evening turned into one of futility for believers in a man-made global warming catastrophe. "Crichton went with the crowd-pleasing condemnation of private jet-flying liberals - very popular, even among the private jet-flying Eastsiders present and the apparent hypocrisy of people who think that global warming is a problem using any energy at all." Schmidt continued, "Stott is a bit of a force of nature and essentially accused anyone who thinks global warming is a problem of explicitly rooting for misery and poverty in the third world. He also brought up the whole cosmic ray issue as the next big thing in climate science." Schmidt appeared so demoralized that he mused that debates equally split between believers of a climate ‘crisis’ and scientific skeptics are probably not “worthwhile” to ever agree to again. Selected Quotes from the climate debate from transcript: [Link to full debate pdf transcript] Skeptical quotes from Novelist Michael Crichton: "I would like to suggest a few symbolic actions that right—might really mean something. One of them, which is very simple, 99% of the American population doesn’t care, is ban private jets. Nobody needs to fly in them, ban them now. And, and in addition, [APPLAUSE] "Let’s have the NRDC (Natural Resources Defense Council), the Sierra Club and Greenpeace make it a rule that all of their members, cannot fly on private jets. They must get their houses off the [electrical] grid. They must live in the way that they’re telling everyone else to live. And if they won’t do that, why should we? And why should we take them seriously? [APPLAUSE]" "I suddenly think about my friends, you know, getting on their private jets. And I think, well, you know, maybe they have the right idea. Maybe all that we have to do is mouth a few platitudes, show a good, expression of concern on our faces, buy a Prius, drive it around for a while and give it to the maid, attend a few fundraisers and you’re done.. Because, actually, all anybody really wants to do is talk about it." "I mean, haven’t we actually raised temperatures so much that we, as stewards of the planet, have to act? These are the questions that friends of mine ask as they are getting on board their private jets to fly to their second and third homes. [LAUGHTER]" "Everyday 30,000 people on this planet die of the diseases of poverty. There are, a third of the planet doesn’t have electricity. We have a billion people with no clean water. We have half a billion people going to bed hungry every night. Do we care about this? It seems that we don’t. It seems that we would rather look a hundred years into the future than pay attention to what’s going on now. I think that's unacceptable. I think that’s really a disgrace." Skeptical quotes of University of London’s emeritus professor of biogeography Philip Stott: "What we see in this is an enormous danger for politicians in terms of their hypocrisy. I’m not going to say anything about Al Gore and his house. [LAUGHTER] But it is a very serious point." "In the early 20th century, 95% of scientists believe in eugenics. [LAUGHTER] Science does not progress by consensus, it progresses by falsification and by what we call paradigm shifts." "The first Earth Day in America claimed the following, that because of global cooling, the population of America would have collapsed to 22 million by the year 2000. And of the average calorie intake of the average American would be wait for this, 2,400 calories, would good it were. [LAUGHTER] It’s nonsense and very dangerous. And what we have fundamentally forgotten is simple primary school science. Climate always changes." "Angela Merkel the German chancellor, my own good prime minister (Tony Blair) for whom I voted -- let me emphasize, arguing in public two weeks ago as to who in Annie get the gun style could produce the best temperature. ‘I could do two degrees C said Angela.’ ‘No, I could only do three said Tony.’ [LAUGHTER] Stand back a minute, those are politicians, telling you that they can control climate to a degree Celsius.” “And can I remind everybody that IPCC that we keep talking about, very honestly admits that we know very little about 80% of the factors behind climate change. Well let’s use an engineer; I don’t think I’d want to cross Brooklyn Bridge if it were built by an engineer who only understood 80% of the forces on that bridge. [LAUGHTER]” Skeptical quotes of MIT’s Professor of Atmospheric Science Richard Lindzen: "Now, much of the current alarm, I would suggest, is based on ignorance of what is normal for weather and climate." "The impact on temperature per unit carbon dioxide actually goes down, not up, with increasing CO2. The role of anthropogenic greenhouse gases is not directly related to the emissions rate or even CO2 levels, which is what the legislation is hitting on, but rather to the impact of these gases on the greenhouse effect." "The real signature of greenhouse warming is not surface temperature but temperature in the middle of the troposphere, about five kilometers. And that is going up even slower than the temperature at the surface." # # # Related Links: Global Warming on Mars & Cosmic Ray Research Are Shattering Media Driven "Consensus’ Global Warming: The Momentum has Shifted to Climate Skeptics Prominent French Scientist Reverses Belief in Global Warming - Now a Skeptic Weather Channel TV Host Goes 'Political'- Stars in Global Warming Film Accusing U.S. Government of ‘Criminal Neglect’ Weather Channel Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global Warming Skeptics AMS Certified Weatherman Strikes Back At Weather Channel Call For Decertification The Weather Channel Climate Expert Refuses to Retract Call for Decertification for Global Warming Skeptics Senator Inhofe Announces Public Release Of "Skeptic’s Guide To Debunking Global Warming" This is all beside the point and irrelevant. Science is not about convincing paid skeptics or the audience of accountants and plumbers and bus drivers and pet store owners. It is not about being popular or witty. It is about finding the answers to physical questions by using data, measurement, tests and repetition. That is has always been the case, and and will always be the case. In other words, the fact that this "debate" exhibited better showmanship by the P. T. Barnums and Florence Ziegfelds of the pseudoscience world means nothing. Bruce Jensen |
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners AgainstGlobalWarming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
bpnjensen wrote: On Jul 31, 10:04 am, ka6uup wrote: A little old but..... Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners Against Global Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate March 16, 2007 Posted By Marc Morano – 8:45 AM ET – Just days before former Vice President Al Gore’s scheduled visit to testify about global warming before the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment & Public Works, a high profile climate debate between prominent scientists Wednesday evening ended with global warming skeptics being voted the clear winner by a tough New York City before an audience of hundreds of people. Before the start of the nearly two hour debate the audience polled 57.3% to 29.9% in favor of believing that Global Warming was a “crisis”, but following the debate the numbers completely flipped to 46.2% to 42.2% in favor of the skeptical point of view. The audience also found humor at the expense of former Vice President Gore’s reportedly excessive home energy use. After the stunning victory, one of the scientists on the side promoting the belief in a climate "crisis" appeared to concede defeat by noting his debate team was ‘pretty dull" and at "a sharp disadvantage" against the skeptics. ScientificAmerican.com’s blog agreed, saying the believers in a man-made climate catastrophe “seemed underarmed for the debate and, not surprising, it swung against them." The New York City audience laughed as Gore became the butt of humor during the debate. "What we see in this is an enormous danger for politicians in terms of their hypocrisy. I’m not going to say anything about Al Gore and his house. But it is a very serious point," quipped University of London emeritus professor Philip Stott to laughter from the audience. The audience also applauded a call by novelist Michael Crichton to stop the hypocrisy of environmentalists and Hollywood liberals by enacting a ban on private jet travel. "Let’s have the NRDC (Natural Resources Defense Council), the Sierra Club and Greenpeace make it a rule that all of their members, cannot fly on private jets. They must get their houses off the [power] grid. They must live in the way that they’re telling everyone else to live. And if they won’t do that, why should we? And why should we take them seriously?" Crichton said to applause audience. (For more debate quotes see bottom of article) The debate was sponsored by the Oxford-style debating group Intelligence Squared and featured such prominent man-made global warming skeptics as MIT scientist Richard Lindzen, the University of London emeritus professor of biogeography Philip Stott and Physician turned Novelist/filmmaker Michael Crichton on one side. The scientists arguing for a climate ‘crisis’ were NASA scientist Gavin Schmidt, meteorologist Richard C.J. Somerville of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography and Brenda Ekwurzel of the Union of Concerned Scientists. The event, which was moderated by New York Public Radio’s Brian Lehrer, debated the proposition: "Global warming is not a crisis.” Skeptics Dramatically Convinced Audience The skeptics achieved the vote victory despite facing an audience that had voted 57% in favor of the belief that mankind has created a climate "crisis" moments before the debate began. But by the end of the debate, the audience dramatically reversed themselves and became convinced by the arguments presented by the skeptical scientists. At the conclusion, the audience voted for the views of the skeptics by a margin of 46.2% to 42.2%. Skeptical audience members grew from a pre-debate low of 29.9% to a post debate high of 46.2% -- a jump of nearly 17 percentage points. [Link to official audience voting results] [Link to full debate pdf transcript] Scientist Concedes Debate To Skeptics NASA’s Gavin Schmidt, one of the scientists debating for the notion of a man-made global warming "crisis" conceded after the debate that his side was ‘pretty dull’ and was at "a sharp disadvantage." Schmidt made the comments in a March 15 blog posting at RealClimate.org. "…I'm afraid the actual audience (who by temperament I'd say were split roughly half/half on the question) were apparently more convinced by the entertaining narratives from [Novelist Michael] Crichton and [UK’s Philip] Stott (not so sure about Lindzen) than they were by our drier fare. Entertainment-wise it's hard to blame them. Crichton is extremely polished and Stott has a touch of the revivalist preacher about him. Comparatively, we were pretty dull," Schmidt wrote. ‘Advantage: Climate Contrarians’ The ScientificAmerican.com’s blog also declared the global warming skeptics the clear winner of the debate in a March 15 post titled: "Debate Skills? Advantage: Climate Contrarians." "The proponents [of a climate crisis] seemed underarmed for the debate and, not surprisingly, it swung against them, particularly when Schmidt made the fatal debating error of dismissing the ability of the audience to judge the scientific nuances," ScientificAmerican.com’s David Biello wrote. The advocates of climate alarmism "were faced with the folksy anecdotes of Crichton and the oratorical fire of Stott," Biello wrote at ScientificAmerican.com. Biello concluded, "…the audience responded to Crichton's satirical call for a ban on private jets more than Ekwurzel's vague we need to throw ‘everything we can at the climate crisis.’ By the final vote, 46 percent of the audience had been convinced that global warming was indeed not a crisis, while just 42 percent persisted in their opinion that it was." Biello also criticized climate "crisis" advocate Richard Somerville as "perplexed" and "hardly inspiring." Skeptic’s ‘Very Popular’ Debate participant Schmidt lamented that the evening turned into one of futility for believers in a man-made global warming catastrophe. "Crichton went with the crowd-pleasing condemnation of private jet-flying liberals - very popular, even among the private jet-flying Eastsiders present and the apparent hypocrisy of people who think that global warming is a problem using any energy at all." Schmidt continued, "Stott is a bit of a force of nature and essentially accused anyone who thinks global warming is a problem of explicitly rooting for misery and poverty in the third world. He also brought up the whole cosmic ray issue as the next big thing in climate science." Schmidt appeared so demoralized that he mused that debates equally split between believers of a climate ‘crisis’ and scientific skeptics are probably not “worthwhile” to ever agree to again. Selected Quotes from the climate debate from transcript: [Link to full debate pdf transcript] Skeptical quotes from Novelist Michael Crichton: "I would like to suggest a few symbolic actions that right—might really mean something. One of them, which is very simple, 99% of the American population doesn’t care, is ban private jets. Nobody needs to fly in them, ban them now. And, and in addition, [APPLAUSE] "Let’s have the NRDC (Natural Resources Defense Council), the Sierra Club and Greenpeace make it a rule that all of their members, cannot fly on private jets. They must get their houses off the [electrical] grid. They must live in the way that they’re telling everyone else to live. And if they won’t do that, why should we? And why should we take them seriously? [APPLAUSE]" "I suddenly think about my friends, you know, getting on their private jets. And I think, well, you know, maybe they have the right idea. Maybe all that we have to do is mouth a few platitudes, show a good, expression of concern on our faces, buy a Prius, drive it around for a while and give it to the maid, attend a few fundraisers and you’re done. Because, actually, all anybody really wants to do is talk about it." "I mean, haven’t we actually raised temperatures so much that we, as stewards of the planet, have to act? These are the questions that friends of mine ask as they are getting on board their private jets to fly to their second and third homes. [LAUGHTER]" "Everyday 30,000 people on this planet die of the diseases of poverty. There are, a third of the planet doesn’t have electricity. We have a billion people with no clean water. We have half a billion people going to bed hungry every night. Do we care about this? It seems that we don’t. It seems that we would rather look a hundred years into the future than pay attention to what’s going on now. I think that's unacceptable. I think that’s really a disgrace." Skeptical quotes of University of London’s emeritus professor of biogeography Philip Stott: "What we see in this is an enormous danger for politicians in terms of their hypocrisy. I’m not going to say anything about Al Gore and his house. [LAUGHTER] But it is a very serious point." "In the early 20th century, 95% of scientists believe in eugenics. [LAUGHTER] Science does not progress by consensus, it progresses by falsification and by what we call paradigm shifts." "The first Earth Day in America claimed the following, that because of global cooling, the population of America would have collapsed to 22 million by the year 2000. And of the average calorie intake of the average American would be wait for this, 2,400 calories, would good it were. [LAUGHTER] It’s nonsense and very dangerous. And what we have fundamentally forgotten is simple primary school science. Climate always changes." "Angela Merkel the German chancellor, my own good prime minister (Tony Blair) for whom I voted -- let me emphasize, arguing in public two weeks ago as to who in Annie get the gun style could produce the best temperature. ‘I could do two degrees C said Angela.’ ‘No, I could only do three said Tony.’ [LAUGHTER] Stand back a minute, those are politicians, telling you that they can control climate to a degree Celsius.” “And can I remind everybody that IPCC that we keep talking about, very honestly admits that we know very little about 80% of the factors behind climate change. Well let’s use an engineer; I don’t think I’d want to cross Brooklyn Bridge if it were built by an engineer who only understood 80% of the forces on that bridge. [LAUGHTER]” Skeptical quotes of MIT’s Professor of Atmospheric Science Richard Lindzen: "Now, much of the current alarm, I would suggest, is based on ignorance of what is normal for weather and climate." "The impact on temperature per unit carbon dioxide actually goes down, not up, with increasing CO2. The role of anthropogenic greenhouse gases is not directly related to the emissions rate or even CO2 levels, which is what the legislation is hitting on, but rather to the impact of these gases on the greenhouse effect." "The real signature of greenhouse warming is not surface temperature but temperature in the middle of the troposphere, about five kilometers. And that is going up even slower than the temperature at the surface." # # # Related Links: Global Warming on Mars & Cosmic Ray Research Are Shattering Media Driven "Consensus’ Global Warming: The Momentum has Shifted to Climate Skeptics Prominent French Scientist Reverses Belief in Global Warming - Now a Skeptic Weather Channel TV Host Goes 'Political'- Stars in Global Warming Film Accusing U.S. Government of ‘Criminal Neglect’ Weather Channel Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global Warming Skeptics AMS Certified Weatherman Strikes Back At Weather Channel Call For Decertification The Weather Channel Climate Expert Refuses to Retract Call for Decertification for Global Warming Skeptics Senator Inhofe Announces Public Release Of "Skeptic’s Guide To Debunking Global Warming" This is all beside the point and irrelevant. Science is not about convincing paid skeptics or the audience of accountants and plumbers and bus drivers and pet store owners. It is not about being popular or witty. It is about finding the answers to physical questions by using data, measurement, tests and repetition. That is has always been the case, and and will always be the case. In other words, the fact that this "debate" exhibited better showmanship by the P. T. Barnums and Florence Ziegfelds of the pseudoscience world means nothing. The only 'showmanship' is that exhibited by Al Gore and the other clown 'tards. Do some research Bruce, look at the historical record, and you'll find that climate has been changing since day one, and the reality is that ultimately, when the sun reaches it's last days, the earth will burn, and will be merely a rock somewhere in the grand scheme of things. If, as many of you seem wont to do, and that is, tax folks, then I suggest you get your wallet out and send in a bit extra come April. I suggest that you tell Boy Barry the same thing, as on his last return he took advantage of the 'Bush' tax measures. Did he get out his wallet, or whatever the folks from the 'hood' carry these days and send in a bit extra? No, he did not. Your Boy Barry is a liar. |
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear WinnersAgainstG...
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Winter time.Bit, Earth's Northern Hemisphere is tilted more toward the Sun and receiving more Sun light than in the Winter time. I still (jokeingly) say it is all that 'Ether' that is doing it. cuhulin, Ether R ME |
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear WinnersAgainstGlobal Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
On Aug 8, 4:03*pm, dxAce wrote:
bpnjensen wrote: On Jul 31, 10:04 am, ka6uup wrote: A little old but..... Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners Against Global Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate March 16, 2007 Posted By Marc Morano 8:45 AM ET Just days before former Vice President Al Gore s scheduled visit to testify about global warming before the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment & Public Works, a high profile climate debate between prominent scientists Wednesday evening ended with global warming skeptics being voted the clear winner by a tough New York City before an audience of hundreds of people. Before the start of the nearly two hour debate the audience polled 57..3% to 29.9% in favor of believing that Global Warming was a crisis , but following the debate the numbers completely flipped to 46.2% to 42.2% in favor of the skeptical point of view. The audience also found humor at the expense of former Vice President Gore s reportedly excessive home energy use. After the stunning victory, one of the scientists on the side promoting the belief in a climate "crisis" appeared to concede defeat by noting his debate team was pretty dull" and at "a sharp disadvantage" against the skeptics. ScientificAmerican.com s blog agreed, saying the believers in a man-made climate catastrophe seemed underarmed for the debate and, not surprising, it swung against them." The New York City audience laughed as Gore became the butt of humor during the debate. "What we see in this is an enormous danger for politicians in terms of their hypocrisy. I m not going to say anything about Al Gore and his house. But it is a very serious point," quipped University of London emeritus professor Philip Stott to laughter from the audience. The audience also applauded a call by novelist Michael Crichton to stop the hypocrisy of environmentalists and Hollywood liberals by enacting a ban on private jet travel. "Let s have the NRDC (Natural Resources Defense Council), the Sierra Club and Greenpeace make it a rule that all of their members, cannot fly on private jets. They must get their houses off the [power] grid. They must live in the way that they re telling everyone else to live. And if they won t do that, why should we? And why should we take them seriously?" Crichton said to applause audience. (For more debate quotes see bottom of article) The debate was sponsored by the Oxford-style debating group Intelligence Squared and featured such prominent man-made global warming skeptics as MIT scientist Richard Lindzen, the University of London emeritus professor of biogeography Philip Stott and Physician turned Novelist/filmmaker Michael Crichton on one side. The scientists arguing for a climate crisis were NASA scientist Gavin Schmidt, meteorologist Richard C.J. Somerville of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography and Brenda Ekwurzel of the Union of Concerned Scientists. The event, which was moderated by New York Public Radio s Brian Lehrer, debated the proposition: "Global warming is not a crisis. Skeptics Dramatically Convinced Audience The skeptics achieved the vote victory despite facing an audience that had voted 57% in favor of the belief that mankind has created a climate "crisis" moments before the debate began. But by the end of the debate, the audience dramatically reversed themselves and became convinced by the arguments presented by the skeptical scientists. At the conclusion, the audience voted for the views of the skeptics by a margin of 46.2% to 42.2%. Skeptical audience members grew from a pre-debate low of 29.9% to a post debate high of 46.2% -- a jump of nearly 17 percentage points. [Link to official audience voting results] [Link to full debate pdf transcript] Scientist Concedes Debate To Skeptics NASA s Gavin Schmidt, one of the scientists debating for the notion of a man-made global warming "crisis" conceded after the debate that his side was pretty dull and was at "a sharp disadvantage." Schmidt made the comments in a March 15 blog posting at RealClimate.org. " I'm afraid the actual audience (who by temperament I'd say were split roughly half/half on the question) were apparently more convinced by the entertaining narratives from [Novelist Michael] Crichton and [UK s Philip] Stott (not so sure about Lindzen) than they were by our drier fare. Entertainment-wise it's hard to blame them. Crichton is extremely polished and Stott has a touch of the revivalist preacher about him. Comparatively, we were pretty dull," Schmidt wrote. Advantage: Climate Contrarians The ScientificAmerican.com s blog also declared the global warming skeptics the clear winner of the debate in a March 15 post titled: "Debate Skills? Advantage: Climate Contrarians." "The proponents [of a climate crisis] seemed underarmed for the debate and, not surprisingly, it swung against them, particularly when Schmidt made the fatal debating error of dismissing the ability of the audience to judge the scientific nuances," ScientificAmerican.com s David Biello wrote. The advocates of climate alarmism "were faced with the folksy anecdotes of Crichton and the oratorical fire of Stott," Biello wrote at ScientificAmerican.com. Biello concluded, " the audience responded to Crichton's satirical call for a ban on private jets more than Ekwurzel's vague we need to throw everything we can at the climate crisis. By the final vote, 46 percent of the audience had been convinced that global warming was indeed not a crisis, while just 42 percent persisted in their opinion that it was." Biello also criticized climate "crisis" advocate Richard Somerville as "perplexed" and "hardly inspiring." Skeptic s Very Popular Debate participant Schmidt lamented that the evening turned into one of futility for believers in a man-made global warming catastrophe. "Crichton went with the crowd-pleasing condemnation of private jet-flying liberals - very popular, even among the private jet-flying Eastsiders present and the apparent hypocrisy of people who think that global warming is a problem using any energy at all." Schmidt continued, "Stott is a bit of a force of nature and essentially accused anyone who thinks global warming is a problem of explicitly rooting for misery and poverty in the third world. He also brought up the whole cosmic ray issue as the next big thing in climate science." Schmidt appeared so demoralized that he mused that debates equally split between believers of a climate crisis and scientific skeptics are probably not worthwhile to ever agree to again. Selected Quotes from the climate debate from transcript: [Link to full debate pdf transcript] Skeptical quotes from Novelist Michael Crichton: "I would like to suggest a few symbolic actions that right might really mean something. One of them, which is very simple, 99% of the American population doesn t care, is ban private jets. Nobody needs to fly in them, ban them now. And, and in addition, [APPLAUSE] "Let s have the NRDC (Natural Resources Defense Council), the Sierra Club and Greenpeace make it a rule that all of their members, cannot fly on private jets. They must get their houses off the [electrical] grid. They must live in the way that they re telling everyone else to live. And if they won t do that, why should we? And why should we take them seriously? [APPLAUSE]" "I suddenly think about my friends, you know, getting on their private jets. And I think, well, you know, maybe they have the right idea. Maybe all that we have to do is mouth a few platitudes, show a good, expression of concern on our faces, buy a Prius, drive it around for a while and give it to the maid, attend a few fundraisers and you re done. Because, actually, all anybody really wants to do is talk about it." "I mean, haven t we actually raised temperatures so much that we, as stewards of the planet, have to act? These are the questions that friends of mine ask as they are getting on board their private jets to fly to their second and third homes. [LAUGHTER]" "Everyday 30,000 people on this planet die of the diseases of poverty.. There are, a third of the planet doesn t have electricity. We have a billion people with no clean water. We have half a billion people going to bed hungry every night. Do we care about this? It seems that we don t. It seems that we would rather look a hundred years into the future than pay attention to what s going on now. I think that's unacceptable. I think that s really a disgrace." Skeptical quotes of University of London s emeritus professor of biogeography Philip Stott: "What we see in this is an enormous danger for politicians in terms of their hypocrisy. I m not going to say anything about Al Gore and his house. [LAUGHTER] But it is a very serious point." "In the early 20th century, 95% of scientists believe in eugenics. [LAUGHTER] Science does not progress by consensus, it progresses by falsification and by what we call paradigm shifts." "The first Earth Day in America claimed the following, that because of global cooling, the population of America would have collapsed to 22 million by the year 2000. And of the average calorie intake of the average American would be wait for this, 2,400 calories, would good it were. [LAUGHTER] It s nonsense and very dangerous. And what we have fundamentally forgotten is simple primary school science. Climate always changes." "Angela Merkel the German chancellor, my own good prime minister (Tony Blair) for whom I voted -- let me emphasize, arguing in public two weeks ago as to who in Annie get the gun style could produce the best temperature. I could do two degrees C said Angela. No, I could only do three said Tony. [LAUGHTER] Stand back a minute, those are politicians, telling you that they can control climate to a degree Celsius. And can I remind everybody that IPCC that we keep talking about, very honestly admits that we know very little about 80% of the factors behind climate change. Well let s use an engineer; I don t think I d want to cross Brooklyn Bridge if it were built by an engineer who only understood 80% of the forces on that bridge. [LAUGHTER] Skeptical quotes of MIT s Professor of Atmospheric Science Richard Lindzen: "Now, much of the current alarm, I would suggest, is based on ignorance of what is normal for weather and climate." "The impact on temperature per unit carbon dioxide actually goes down, not up, with increasing CO2. The role of anthropogenic greenhouse gases is not directly related to the emissions rate or even CO2 levels, which is what the legislation is hitting on, but rather to the impact of these gases on the greenhouse effect." "The real signature of greenhouse warming is not surface temperature but temperature in the middle of the troposphere, about five kilometers. And that is going up even slower than the temperature at the surface." # # # Related Links: Global Warming on Mars & Cosmic Ray Research Are Shattering Media Driven "Consensus Global Warming: The Momentum has Shifted to Climate Skeptics Prominent French Scientist Reverses Belief in Global Warming - Now a Skeptic Weather Channel TV Host Goes 'Political'- Stars in Global Warming Film Accusing U.S. Government of Criminal Neglect Weather Channel Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global Warming Skeptics AMS Certified Weatherman Strikes Back At Weather Channel Call For Decertification The Weather Channel Climate Expert Refuses to Retract Call for Decertification for Global Warming Skeptics Senator Inhofe Announces Public Release Of "Skeptic s Guide To Debunking Global Warming" This is all beside the point and irrelevant. *Science is not about convincing paid skeptics or the audience of accountants and plumbers and bus drivers and pet store owners. *It is not about being popular or witty. *It is about finding the answers to physical questions by using data, measurement, tests and repetition. *That is has always been the case, and and will always be the case. In other words, the fact that this "debate" exhibited better showmanship by the P. T. Barnums and Florence Ziegfelds of the pseudoscience world means nothing. The only 'showmanship' is that exhibited by Al Gore and the other clown 'tards. Do some research Bruce, look at the historical record, and you'll find that climate has been changing since day one, and the reality is that ultimately, when the sun reaches it's last days, the earth will burn, and will be merely a rock somewhere in the grand scheme of things. If, as many of you seem wont to do, and that is, tax folks, then I suggest you get your wallet out and send in a bit extra come April. I suggest that you tell Boy Barry the same thing, as on his last return he took advantage of the 'Bush' tax measures. Did he get out his wallet, or whatever the folks from the 'hood' carry these days and send in a bit extra? No, he did not. Your Boy Barry is a liar. One Must Begin To Ask... How Many Shares BpnJ Owns in Al Gores Carbon Credits Corps ? ? ? Al Gore The Great Profit of Global Warming ! payola big or small is still payola ~ RHF |
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners AgainstGlobalWarming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
bpnjensen wrote:
Every Republican is a liar. It's a congenital defect from massive inbreeding. No need to sink to the acehole's level. You're better equipped to express yourself. mike -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOQroDAAoJECGtZwCbtgwXtLAH/3CkG0E1ulFIO7bSEIwJQxUr IQ1+9cadhKeUeHf3ZTGJy6+ICp4vVmbe4qxfBkugFac9dXjUq5 isjjvhJBihd+Ai Yjoy+8997iBQdcMKPO3MMrOSTshYx8LYnfVhhuMlXl9SBMIdQl xV7ej025NeF5Wl 5o6d2nLSaPKLcWYFw0hG2G18wGlQqzxdPBtZr6BiQuQCN3o1Kn P8qrgPPEEFMBgw FFbQ5MQJhgY7lr7vXFvAPAvic151dQIQEu9OJosSj7VfBO/UCuHFYSiPh7/Wb1qS Iueu6ILlb9iyOriyjFaqk/nEimjfC+udy41Ux0DDwSPrxPeKZZHZRdsAaxv2tkE= =PZ8X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners AgainstGlobal Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
"bpnjensen" wrote in message ... On Aug 8, 4:03 pm, dxAce wrote: The only 'showmanship' is that exhibited by Al Gore and the other clown 'tards. Do some research Bruce, look at the historical record, and you'll find that climate has been changing since day one, and the reality is that ultimately, when the sun reaches it's last days, the earth will burn, and will be merely a rock somewhere in the grand scheme of things. If, as many of you seem wont to do, and that is, tax folks, then I suggest you get your wallet out and send in a bit extra come April. I suggest that you tell Boy Barry the same thing, as on his last return he took advantage of the 'Bush' tax measures. Did he get out his wallet, or whatever the folks from the 'hood' carry these days and send in a bit extra? No, he did not. Your Boy Barry is a liar. Every Republican is a liar. It's a congenital defect from massive inbreeding. ----------------------------- So much for your "I'm a scientist" meme. |
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners AgainstGlobal Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message ... On 8/10/11 10:45 , bpnjensen wrote: Every Republican is a liar. It's a congenital defect from massive inbreeding. You're better than that, Bruce. Not really. |
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners AgainstGlobalWarming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
On 8/10/11 12:32 , MNMikew wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message ... On 8/10/11 10:45 , bpnjensen wrote: Every Republican is a liar. It's a congenital defect from massive inbreeding. You're better than that, Bruce. Not really. Actually, he's generally more reasoned than this outburst. He and I may disagree, but I rarely see this kind of bitterness. |
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners AgainstGlobal Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message ... On 8/10/11 12:32 , MNMikew wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 8/10/11 10:45 , bpnjensen wrote: Every Republican is a liar. It's a congenital defect from massive inbreeding. You're better than that, Bruce. Not really. Actually, he's generally more reasoned than this outburst. He and I may disagree, but I rarely see this kind of bitterness. Most AGW alarmists are pretty bitter. |
The National Academy of Sciences says we should panic
On 08/10/2011 10:59 AM, MNMikew wrote:
Most AGW alarmists are pretty bitter. http://dels-old.nas.edu/climatechange/ |
The National Academy of Sciences says we should panic
On 08/10/2011 11:34 AM, dave wrote:
On 08/10/2011 10:59 AM, MNMikew wrote: Most AGW alarmists are pretty bitter. http://dels-old.nas.edu/climatechange/ http://www.nasonline.org/site/PageServer |
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear WinnersAgainstGlobalWarming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
"D. Peter Maus" wrote: On 8/10/11 10:45 , bpnjensen wrote: Every Republican is a liar. It's a congenital defect from massive inbreeding. You're better than that, Bruce. My reply to Bruce is: I guess we'll just have to disagree. I respect Bruce for his monitoring observations, and his help to me over the years, and I guess we'll have to leave our political views out of the mix. |
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear WinnersAgainstGlobalWarming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
dxAce wrote: "D. Peter Maus" wrote: On 8/10/11 10:45 , bpnjensen wrote: Every Republican is a liar. It's a congenital defect from massive inbreeding. You're better than that, Bruce. My reply to Bruce is: I guess we'll just have to disagree. I respect Bruce for his monitoring observations, and his help to me over the years, and I guess we'll have to leave our political views out of the mix. On another note, I try console myself with the great music of my friend Steve Goodman. Do a google, one of my favourites is "Eight Ball Blues". |
(OT) : Al Gore's Rage-&-Rant : Global Warming Done Gone To His Head !
On Aug 10, 8:46*am, bpnjensen wrote:
- On Aug 10, 3:13*am, RHF wrote: |
(OT) : The article is a parody, a joke, a fake
On 08/10/2011 02:07 PM, RHF wrote:
e: . Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners Against Global Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...cee8277e91b376 -posted-by- ka6uup |
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear WinnersAgainstGlobal Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
On Aug 10, 11:45*am, bpnjensen wrote:
On Aug 8, 4:03*pm, dxAce wrote: The only 'showmanship' is that exhibited by Al Gore and the other clown 'tards. Do some research Bruce, look at the historical record, and you'll find that climate has been changing since day one, and the reality is that ultimately, when the sun reaches it's last days, the earth will burn, and will be merely a rock somewhere in the grand scheme of things. If, as many of you seem wont to do, and that is, tax folks, then I suggest you get your wallet out and send in a bit extra come April. I suggest that you tell Boy Barry the same thing, as on his last return he took advantage of the 'Bush' tax measures. Did he get out his wallet, or whatever the folks from the 'hood' carry these days and send in a bit extra? No, he did not. Your Boy Barry is a liar. Sorry, Chief - I am an atmospheric scientist, and I know how it works. *When you get a degree from an actual program, we can talk. Until then, take your glossed-over pseudoscience and stuff it. Your tax comments are absurd and unrelated. Every Republican is a liar. *It's a congenital defect from massive inbreeding.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So that is why... I sort of suspected it for years ! INBREEDING . |
(OT) : The article is a parody, a joke, a fake
On Aug 10, 7:43*pm, (J R) wrote:
Did y'all see that double decker bus all AGlow in Limeyland? It Lit up the Night!, Beautiful. Highland Village shopping mall in North Jackson used to have an old double decker bus sitting out front for advertizing purpose.It might still be there, I haven't been out that way in about ten years.http://www..highlandvillagems.com cuhulin It is called 'advertizing' for the 2012 Summer Olympics . What a bunch of sick puppies ! |
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear WinnersAgainstGlobal Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
On Aug 10, 9:04*am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 8/10/11 10:45 , bpnjensen wrote: Every Republican is a liar. *It's a congenital defect from massive inbreeding. * *You're better than that, Bruce. Sorry - I was just responding to Steve's silliness ;-) |
Scientific Smack down: Against Global Warming
On Aug 10, 9:16*am, dave wrote:
Every Republican is a liar. *It's a congenital defect from massive inbreeding. It's not really lying if you believe what you say is true. Republicans live in a bubble of disinformation and voluntary ignorance. Not the same as lying. "Voluntary" ignorance is the key. If it's voluntary, it's a lie. |
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear WinnersAgainstGlobal Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
On Aug 10, 10:59*am, "MNMikew" wrote:
"D. Peter Maus" wrote in ... On 8/10/11 12:32 , MNMikew wrote: "D. Peter *wrote in message ... On 8/10/11 10:45 , bpnjensen wrote: Every Republican is a liar. *It's a congenital defect from massive inbreeding. * *You're better than that, Bruce. Not really. * *Actually, he's generally more reasoned than this outburst. He and I may disagree, but I rarely see this kind of bitterness. Most AGW alarmists are pretty bitter.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Again, MnMike is a person who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, making believe he does. |
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear WinnersAgainstGlobal Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
On Aug 10, 10:04*am, m II wrote:
bpnjensen wrote: Every Republican is a liar. *It's a congenital defect from massive inbreeding. No need to sink to the acehole's level. You're better equipped to express yourself. mike *signature.asc 1KViewDownload So I'm just curious - what do we object to here? The "Republicans are liars" thing, which is arguably true, or the "inbreeding" thing, which is obviously a crude joke? I don't understand why the knee-jerk conservatives can make one disgraceful comment about liberals after another, including veiled threats to kill them, and when a liberal does it he gets picked on by everyone? The hypocrisy is so thick you can cut with a jackhammer. Bruce |
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear WinnersAgainstGlobal Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
On Aug 10, 10:57*am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 8/10/11 12:32 , MNMikew wrote: "D. Peter *wrote in message ... On 8/10/11 10:45 , bpnjensen wrote: Every Republican is a liar. *It's a congenital defect from massive inbreeding. * *You're better than that, Bruce. Not really. * * Actually, he's generally more reasoned than this outburst. He and I may disagree, but I rarely see this kind of bitterness. If there is bitterness, it is because the problem of human-forced climate change has been KNOWN for decades by scientists across the political spectrum, before Al Gore, even before you or I were born, and there wasn't any frigging serious controversy about the ethics or basic science of it until the oil companies caught wind of it and started pumping $billions into propaganda campaigns against honest, intelligent scientists - and showing their absolute lust for greed and total contempt for humanity, the natural world and all of its inhabitants. When we were becoming equipped to actually handle the problem, the demagogues decided their profits were more important than the planet, and came out with all the BS. On this matter, yes, I am bitter. Bruce Jensen |
(OT) : Al Gore's Rage-&-Rant : Global Warming Done Gone To HisHead !
On Aug 10, 2:07*pm, RHF wrote:
On Aug 10, 8:46*am, bpnjensen wrote: - On Aug 10, 3:13*am, RHF wrote: *. Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners Against Global Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debatehttp://groups.google..com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2acee8277e91b376 -posted-by- ka6uup -and-reply-by- Bruce Jensenhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bedf496a5fb56e41? *. - - One Must Begin To Ask... - - - - How Many Shares BpnJ Owns in Al Gores - - Carbon Credits Corps ? ? ? - - - - Al Gore The Great Profit of Global Warming ! - - - - payola big or small is still payola ~ RHF - - *. - - Another Absurd Climate Gate Moment ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/95fe5b213fcf20c4 - - *. - - Climate-Gate : The 21st Century's Biggest Scientific SCAM ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/03f8f34788943898 - - *. - - *. - You're an uneducated idiot. BpnJ, You are getting good at the Al Gore 'Rage-&-Rant' Thingee :o)http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/pol...re-rant-why-th... You have elevated yourself from simple rank-and-file of 'Global Warming' to the rank of 'Full of Hot Air' ! ::-}} Oops ! Climate-Gate Did Happen Yet Another Inconvenient Truth !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...f3800097470e85 *. LET'S ALL CHANT THE CLIMATE-GATE© MANTRA : IT'S SETTLED SCIENCE : THERE CAN BE NO DEBATE [.] -wrt- Another Absurd Climate Gate© Moment !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4493147109bb61 *. *. Your Al Gore reference is smoke and mirrors, and completely irrelevant. The settled science part are your words, not mine, and completely innaccurate. Please educate yourself wity something other than Faux News. |
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners AgainstGlobalWarming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
On 8/11/11 10:27 , bpnjensen wrote:
On Aug 10, 9:04 am, "D. Peter wrote: On 8/10/11 10:45 , bpnjensen wrote: Every Republican is a liar. It's a congenital defect from massive inbreeding. You're better than that, Bruce. Sorry - I was just responding to Steve's silliness ;-) Mike Myers says that silliness is a State of Grace. One of the reasons so many people are so angry and tense is that they've lost their silly. |
(OT) : Al Gore's Rage-&-Rant : Global Warming Done Gone To HisHead !
On 8/11/11 10:43 , bpnjensen wrote:
On Aug 10, 2:07 pm, wrote: On Aug 10, 8:46 am, wrote: - On Aug 10, 3:13 am, wrote: . Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners Against Global Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debatehttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2acee8277e91b376 -posted-by- ka6uup -and-reply-by- Bruce Jensenhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bedf496a5fb56e41? . - - One Must Begin To Ask... - - - - How Many Shares BpnJ Owns in Al Gores - - Carbon Credits Corps ? ? ? - - - - Al Gore The Great Profit of Global Warming ! - - - - payola big or small is still payola ~ RHF - - . - - Another Absurd Climate Gate Moment ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/95fe5b213fcf20c4 - - . - - Climate-Gate : The 21st Century's Biggest Scientific SCAM ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/03f8f34788943898 - - . - - . - You're an uneducated idiot. BpnJ, You are getting good at the Al Gore 'Rage-&-Rant' Thingee :o)http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/pol...re-rant-why-th... You have elevated yourself from simple rank-and-file of 'Global Warming' to the rank of 'Full of Hot Air' ! ::-}} Oops ! Climate-Gate Did Happen Yet Another Inconvenient Truth !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...f3800097470e85 . LET'S ALL CHANT THE CLIMATE-GATE© MANTRA : IT'S SETTLED SCIENCE : THERE CAN BE NO DEBATE [.] -wrt- Another Absurd Climate Gate© Moment !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4493147109bb61 . . Your Al Gore reference is smoke and mirrors, and completely irrelevant. The settled science part are your words, not mine, and completely innaccurate. Actually, 'The science is settled' is a quote of Algore. He said it at the Oscars, he's said it on Charlie Rose. He's said it numerous places. Please educate yourself wity something other than Faux News. |
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners AgainstGlobal Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
"bpnjensen" wrote in message ... On Aug 10, 10:59 am, "MNMikew" wrote: "D. Peter Maus" wrote in ... On 8/10/11 12:32 , MNMikew wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 8/10/11 10:45 , bpnjensen wrote: Every Republican is a liar. It's a congenital defect from massive inbreeding. You're better than that, Bruce. Not really. Actually, he's generally more reasoned than this outburst. He and I may disagree, but I rarely see this kind of bitterness. Most AGW alarmists are pretty bitter.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Again, MnMike is a person who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, making believe he does. ------------------ Thanks for proving my point. |
(OT) : Al Gore's Rage-&-Rant : Global Warming Done Gone To HisHead !
On Aug 11, 10:28*am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 8/11/11 10:43 , bpnjensen wrote: On Aug 10, 2:07 pm, *wrote: On Aug 10, 8:46 am, *wrote: - On Aug 10, 3:13 am, *wrote: * . Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners Against Global Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debatehttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2acee8277e91b376 -posted-by- ka6uup -and-reply-by- Bruce Jensenhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bedf496a5fb56e41? * . - - One Must Begin To Ask... - - - - How Many Shares BpnJ Owns in Al Gores - - Carbon Credits Corps ? ? ? - - - - Al Gore The Great Profit of Global Warming ! - - - - payola big or small is still payola ~ RHF - - *. - - Another Absurd Climate Gate Moment ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/95fe5b213fcf20c4 - - *. - - Climate-Gate : The 21st Century's Biggest Scientific SCAM ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/03f8f34788943898 - - *. - - *. - You're an uneducated idiot. BpnJ, You are getting good at the Al Gore 'Rage-&-Rant' Thingee :o)http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/pol...re-rant-why-th... You have elevated yourself from simple rank-and-file of 'Global Warming' to the rank of 'Full of Hot Air' ! ::-}} Oops ! Climate-Gate Did Happen Yet Another Inconvenient Truth !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...f3800097470e85 * . LET'S ALL CHANT THE CLIMATE-GATE© MANTRA : IT'S SETTLED SCIENCE : THERE CAN BE NO DEBATE [.] -wrt- Another Absurd Climate Gate© Moment !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4493147109bb61 * . * . Your Al Gore reference is smoke and mirrors, and completely irrelevant. *The settled science part are your words, not mine, and completely innaccurate. * *Actually, 'The science is settled' is a quote of Algore. *He said it at the Oscars, he's said it on Charlie Rose. * *He's said it numerous places. Please educate yourself wity something other than Faux News.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - As I said before, *Al Gore is irrelevant to the actual issue*. He is only a messenger. To blithely discredit 150 years of long and thoughtful research by physicists, meterologists, climatologists, oceanographers, mathematicians and astronomers, peer review after peer review of every single hypothesis vetted to the nth degree, and a science which freely admits that it still must answer some of the more intractable questions to provide a complete picture - as every true science does, every time - because you don't like the messenger - is just ugly, unscientific politics. To do it because of greedy, narcissistic motives is reprehensible and immoral. Science has given us EVERY good thing we have beyond basic food, water and land. We love our PCs and radios and TVs and transportation and modern medicine and thank science for it, and rightfully so. However, science is not always the bearer of benign or conveniently profitable news. Sometimes it brings us bad news, sometimes news that even challenges the existing power structure. Galileo and Darwin challenged the church (and some willful people, to this day, still disagree with both of these guys) - but their basic science is sound, as is all true science, and has eventually won the day. Like the science of Galileo and Darwin, the science of human-induced climate change challenges the existing power structrure - nowadays, concentrated wealth like the Koch Brothers and big oil/coal - and consequently their propaganda machines are working in overtime to preserve their power. As a result, Al Gore is bad and = climate change science, and no-nothing reporters at Faux and Drudge are the experts after spending zero years in actual research. History repeats itself, and we have fallen into the same old trap of ignorance and rebellion against inconvenience at the behest of the powerful. The difference, this time, is that the fate of many forms of life on the planet, as well as the security and well-being of billions of people, hang in the balance. Ignore Al Gore if you don't like him. He's just a politician. But the science was, and is, conducted as it should be, and like all true science that takes time and effort, is gradually yielding the correct answer. We ridicule and ignore it at our own peril. Bruce Jensen |
(OT) : Al Gore's Rage-&-Rant : Global Warming Done Gone To His Head !
"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message ... On 8/11/11 10:43 , bpnjensen wrote: On Aug 10, 2:07 pm, wrote: On Aug 10, 8:46 am, wrote: - On Aug 10, 3:13 am, wrote: . Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners Against Global Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debatehttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2acee8277e91b376 -posted-by- ka6uup -and-reply-by- Bruce Jensenhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bedf496a5fb56e41? . - - One Must Begin To Ask... - - - - How Many Shares BpnJ Owns in Al Gores - - Carbon Credits Corps ? ? ? - - - - Al Gore The Great Profit of Global Warming ! - - - - payola big or small is still payola ~ RHF - - . - - Another Absurd Climate Gate Moment ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/95fe5b213fcf20c4 - - . - - Climate-Gate : The 21st Century's Biggest Scientific SCAM ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/03f8f34788943898 - - . - - . - You're an uneducated idiot. BpnJ, You are getting good at the Al Gore 'Rage-&-Rant' Thingee :o)http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/pol...re-rant-why-th... You have elevated yourself from simple rank-and-file of 'Global Warming' to the rank of 'Full of Hot Air' ! ::-}} Oops ! Climate-Gate Did Happen Yet Another Inconvenient Truth !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...f3800097470e85 . LET'S ALL CHANT THE CLIMATE-GATE© MANTRA : IT'S SETTLED SCIENCE : THERE CAN BE NO DEBATE [.] -wrt- Another Absurd Climate Gate© Moment !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4493147109bb61 . . Your Al Gore reference is smoke and mirrors, and completely irrelevant. The settled science part are your words, not mine, and completely innaccurate. Actually, 'The science is settled' is a quote of Algore. He said it at the Oscars, he's said it on Charlie Rose. He's said it numerous places. And he's wrong. Just like any other idiot who says it. |
(OT) : Al Gore's Rage-&-Rant : Global Warming Done Gone To His Head !
"bpnjensen" wrote in message ... On Aug 11, 10:28 am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote: On 8/11/11 10:43 , bpnjensen wrote: On Aug 10, 2:07 pm, wrote: On Aug 10, 8:46 am, wrote: - On Aug 10, 3:13 am, wrote: . Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners Against Global Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debatehttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2acee8277e91b376 -posted-by- ka6uup -and-reply-by- Bruce Jensenhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bedf496a5fb56e41? . - - One Must Begin To Ask... - - - - How Many Shares BpnJ Owns in Al Gores - - Carbon Credits Corps ? ? ? - - - - Al Gore The Great Profit of Global Warming ! - - - - payola big or small is still payola ~ RHF - - . - - Another Absurd Climate Gate Moment ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/95fe5b213fcf20c4 - - . - - Climate-Gate : The 21st Century's Biggest Scientific SCAM ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/03f8f34788943898 - - . - - . - You're an uneducated idiot. BpnJ, You are getting good at the Al Gore 'Rage-&-Rant' Thingee :o)http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/pol...re-rant-why-th... You have elevated yourself from simple rank-and-file of 'Global Warming' to the rank of 'Full of Hot Air' ! ::-}} Oops ! Climate-Gate Did Happen Yet Another Inconvenient Truth !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...f3800097470e85 . LET'S ALL CHANT THE CLIMATE-GATE© MANTRA : IT'S SETTLED SCIENCE : THERE CAN BE NO DEBATE [.] -wrt- Another Absurd Climate Gate© Moment !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4493147109bb61 . . Your Al Gore reference is smoke and mirrors, and completely irrelevant. The settled science part are your words, not mine, and completely innaccurate. Actually, 'The science is settled' is a quote of Algore. He said it at the Oscars, he's said it on Charlie Rose. He's said it numerous places. Please educate yourself wity something other than Faux News.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - As I said before, *Al Gore is irrelevant to the actual issue*. He is only a messenger. To blithely discredit 150 years of long and thoughtful research by physicists, meterologists, climatologists, oceanographers, mathematicians and astronomers, peer review after peer review of every single hypothesis vetted to the nth degree, and a science which freely admits that it still must answer some of the more intractable questions to provide a complete picture - as every true science does, every time - because you don't like the messenger - is just ugly, unscientific politics. To do it because of greedy, narcissistic motives is reprehensible and immoral. Science has given us EVERY good thing we have beyond basic food, water and land. We love our PCs and radios and TVs and transportation and modern medicine and thank science for it, and rightfully so. However, science is not always the bearer of benign or conveniently profitable news. Sometimes it brings us bad news, sometimes news that even challenges the existing power structure. Galileo and Darwin challenged the church (and some willful people, to this day, still disagree with both of these guys) - but their basic science is sound, as is all true science, and has eventually won the day. Like the science of Galileo and Darwin, the science of human-induced climate change challenges the existing power structrure - nowadays, concentrated wealth like the Koch Brothers and big oil/coal - and consequently their propaganda machines are working in overtime to preserve their power. As a result, Al Gore is bad and = climate change science, and no-nothing reporters at Faux and Drudge are the experts after spending zero years in actual research. History repeats itself, and we have fallen into the same old trap of ignorance and rebellion against inconvenience at the behest of the powerful. The difference, this time, is that the fate of many forms of life on the planet, as well as the security and well-being of billions of people, hang in the balance. Ignore Al Gore if you don't like him. He's just a politician. But the science was, and is, conducted as it should be, and like all true science that takes time and effort, is gradually yielding the correct answer. We ridicule and ignore it at our own peril. Bruce Jensen -------------------- And thus we get at the crux of the Church of Global Warming. Class warfare. And don't forget your PCs, radios, TVs, transportation and modern medicine would not exist without evil oil. |
(OT) : Al Gore's Rage-&-Rant : Global Warming Done Gone To HisHead !
On Aug 11, 11:08*am, "MNMikew" wrote:
"D. Peter Maus" wrote in ... On 8/11/11 10:43 , bpnjensen wrote: On Aug 10, 2:07 pm, *wrote: On Aug 10, 8:46 am, *wrote: - On Aug 10, 3:13 am, *wrote: * . Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners Against Global Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debatehttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2acee8277e91b376 -posted-by- ka6uup -and-reply-by- Bruce Jensenhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bedf496a5fb56e41? * . - - One Must Begin To Ask... - - - - How Many Shares BpnJ Owns in Al Gores - - Carbon Credits Corps ? ? ? - - - - Al Gore The Great Profit of Global Warming ! - - - - payola big or small is still payola ~ RHF - - *. - - Another Absurd Climate Gate Moment ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/95fe5b213fcf20c4 - - *. - - Climate-Gate : The 21st Century's Biggest Scientific SCAM ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/03f8f34788943898 - - *. - - *. - You're an uneducated idiot. BpnJ, You are getting good at the Al Gore 'Rage-&-Rant' Thingee :o)http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/pol...re-rant-why-th... You have elevated yourself from simple rank-and-file of 'Global Warming' to the rank of 'Full of Hot Air' ! ::-}} Oops ! Climate-Gate Did Happen Yet Another Inconvenient Truth !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...f3800097470e85 * . LET'S ALL CHANT THE CLIMATE-GATE© MANTRA : IT'S SETTLED SCIENCE : THERE CAN BE NO DEBATE [.] -wrt- Another Absurd Climate Gate© Moment !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4493147109bb61 * . * . Your Al Gore reference is smoke and mirrors, and completely irrelevant. *The settled science part are your words, not mine, and completely innaccurate. * Actually, 'The science is settled' is a quote of Algore. *He said it at the Oscars, he's said it on Charlie Rose. * He's said it numerous places. And he's wrong. Just like any other idiot who says it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
(OT) : Al Gore's Rage-&-Rant : Global Warming Done Gone To HisHead !
On Aug 11, 11:42*am, "MNMikew" wrote:
"bpnjensen" wrote in message ... On Aug 11, 10:28 am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote: On 8/11/11 10:43 , bpnjensen wrote: On Aug 10, 2:07 pm, wrote: On Aug 10, 8:46 am, wrote: - On Aug 10, 3:13 am, wrote: . Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners Against Global Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debatehttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2acee8277e91b376 -posted-by- ka6uup -and-reply-by- Bruce Jensenhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bedf496a5fb56e41? . - - One Must Begin To Ask... - - - - How Many Shares BpnJ Owns in Al Gores - - Carbon Credits Corps ? ? ? - - - - Al Gore The Great Profit of Global Warming ! - - - - payola big or small is still payola ~ RHF - - . - - Another Absurd Climate Gate Moment ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/95fe5b213fcf20c4 - - . - - Climate-Gate : The 21st Century's Biggest Scientific SCAM ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/03f8f34788943898 - - . - - . - You're an uneducated idiot. BpnJ, You are getting good at the Al Gore 'Rage-&-Rant' Thingee :o)http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/pol...re-rant-why-th... You have elevated yourself from simple rank-and-file of 'Global Warming' to the rank of 'Full of Hot Air' ! ::-}} Oops ! Climate-Gate Did Happen Yet Another Inconvenient Truth !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...f3800097470e85 . LET'S ALL CHANT THE CLIMATE-GATE MANTRA : IT'S SETTLED SCIENCE : THERE CAN BE NO DEBATE [.] -wrt- Another Absurd Climate Gate Moment !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4493147109bb61 . . Your Al Gore reference is smoke and mirrors, and completely irrelevant. The settled science part are your words, not mine, and completely innaccurate. Actually, 'The science is settled' is a quote of Algore. He said it at the Oscars, he's said it on Charlie Rose. He's said it numerous places. Please educate yourself wity something other than Faux News.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - As I said before, *Al Gore is irrelevant to the actual issue*. *He is only a messenger. *To blithely discredit 150 years of long and thoughtful research by physicists, meterologists, climatologists, oceanographers, mathematicians and astronomers, peer review after peer review of every single hypothesis vetted to the nth degree, and a science which freely admits that it still must answer some of the more intractable questions to provide a complete picture - as every true science does, every time - because you don't like the messenger - is just ugly, unscientific politics. *To do it because of greedy, narcissistic motives is reprehensible and immoral. Science has given us EVERY good thing we have beyond basic food, water and land. *We love our PCs and radios and TVs and transportation and modern medicine and thank science for it, and rightfully so. *However, science is not always the bearer of benign or conveniently profitable news. *Sometimes it brings us bad news, sometimes news that even challenges the existing power structure. *Galileo and Darwin challenged the church (and some willful people, to this day, still disagree with both of these guys) - but their basic science is sound, as is all true science, and has eventually won the day. *Like the science of Galileo and Darwin, the science of human-induced climate change challenges the existing power structrure - nowadays, concentrated wealth like the Koch Brothers and big oil/coal - and consequently their propaganda machines are working in overtime to preserve their power. *As a result, Al Gore is bad and = climate change science, and no-nothing reporters at Faux and Drudge are the experts after spending zero years in actual research. History repeats itself, and we have fallen into the same old trap of ignorance and rebellion against inconvenience at the behest of the powerful. *The difference, this time, is that the fate of many forms of life on the planet, as well as the security and well-being of billions of people, hang in the balance. Ignore Al Gore if you don't like him. *He's just a politician. *But the science was, and is, conducted as it should be, and like all true science that takes time and effort, is gradually yielding the correct answer. *We ridicule and ignore it at our own peril. Bruce Jensen -------------------- And thus we get at the crux of the Church of Global Warming. Class warfare. And don't forget your PCs, radios, TVs, transportation and modern medicine would not exist without evil oil.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Irrelevant. |
(OT) : Al Gore's Rage-&-Rant : Global Warming Done Gone To HisHead !
On Aug 11, 11:08*am, "MNMikew" wrote:
"D. Peter Maus" wrote in ... On 8/11/11 10:43 , bpnjensen wrote: On Aug 10, 2:07 pm, *wrote: On Aug 10, 8:46 am, *wrote: - On Aug 10, 3:13 am, *wrote: * . Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners Against Global Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debatehttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2acee8277e91b376 -posted-by- ka6uup -and-reply-by- Bruce Jensenhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bedf496a5fb56e41? * . - - One Must Begin To Ask... - - - - How Many Shares BpnJ Owns in Al Gores - - Carbon Credits Corps ? ? ? - - - - Al Gore The Great Profit of Global Warming ! - - - - payola big or small is still payola ~ RHF - - *. - - Another Absurd Climate Gate Moment ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/95fe5b213fcf20c4 - - *. - - Climate-Gate : The 21st Century's Biggest Scientific SCAM ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/03f8f34788943898 - - *. - - *. - You're an uneducated idiot. BpnJ, You are getting good at the Al Gore 'Rage-&-Rant' Thingee :o)http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/pol...re-rant-why-th... You have elevated yourself from simple rank-and-file of 'Global Warming' to the rank of 'Full of Hot Air' ! ::-}} Oops ! Climate-Gate Did Happen Yet Another Inconvenient Truth !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...f3800097470e85 * . LET'S ALL CHANT THE CLIMATE-GATE© MANTRA : IT'S SETTLED SCIENCE : THERE CAN BE NO DEBATE [.] -wrt- Another Absurd Climate Gate© Moment !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4493147109bb61 * . * . Your Al Gore reference is smoke and mirrors, and completely irrelevant. *The settled science part are your words, not mine, and completely innaccurate. * Actually, 'The science is settled' is a quote of Algore. *He said it at the Oscars, he's said it on Charlie Rose. * He's said it numerous places. And he's wrong. Just like any other idiot who says it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ...and your credentials are...? I thought so. |
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear WinnersAgainstGlobal Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
On Aug 11, 11:03*am, "MNMikew" wrote:
"bpnjensen" wrote in message ... On Aug 10, 10:59 am, "MNMikew" wrote: "D. Peter Maus" wrote in ... On 8/10/11 12:32 , MNMikew wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 8/10/11 10:45 , bpnjensen wrote: Every Republican is a liar. It's a congenital defect from massive inbreeding. You're better than that, Bruce. Not really. Actually, he's generally more reasoned than this outburst. He and I may disagree, but I rarely see this kind of bitterness. Most AGW alarmists are pretty bitter.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Again, MnMike is a person who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, making believe he does. ------------------ Thanks for proving my point.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bitter maybe, but no less correct. You literally don't what the hell you're talking about, wallow in joyful self-imposed ignorance, and have not a single credential to your name. All you know is what the oil propaganda machine tells you. Educate yourself, or STFU. |
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear WinnersAgainstGlobal Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
On Aug 11, 10:26*am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 8/11/11 10:27 , bpnjensen wrote: On Aug 10, 9:04 am, "D. Peter *wrote: On 8/10/11 10:45 , bpnjensen wrote: Every Republican is a liar. *It's a congenital defect from massive inbreeding. * * You're better than that, Bruce. Sorry - I was just responding to Steve's silliness ;-) * *Mike Myers says that silliness is a State of Grace. * *One of the reasons so many people are so angry and tense is that they've lost their silly. That, and their meager retirements, their small fortunes, their tiny security, their college tuitions, their livelihoods. Yeah, just try smiling again! That'll fix everything! |
(OT) : Al Gore's Rage-&-Rant : Global Warming Done Gone To His Head !
"bpnjensen" wrote in message ... On Aug 11, 11:08 am, "MNMikew" wrote: "D. Peter Maus" wrote in ... On 8/11/11 10:43 , bpnjensen wrote: On Aug 10, 2:07 pm, wrote: On Aug 10, 8:46 am, wrote: - On Aug 10, 3:13 am, wrote: . Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners Against Global Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debatehttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2acee8277e91b376 -posted-by- ka6uup -and-reply-by- Bruce Jensenhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bedf496a5fb56e41? . - - One Must Begin To Ask... - - - - How Many Shares BpnJ Owns in Al Gores - - Carbon Credits Corps ? ? ? - - - - Al Gore The Great Profit of Global Warming ! - - - - payola big or small is still payola ~ RHF - - . - - Another Absurd Climate Gate Moment ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/95fe5b213fcf20c4 - - . - - Climate-Gate : The 21st Century's Biggest Scientific SCAM ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/03f8f34788943898 - - . - - . - You're an uneducated idiot. BpnJ, You are getting good at the Al Gore 'Rage-&-Rant' Thingee :o)http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/pol...re-rant-why-th... You have elevated yourself from simple rank-and-file of 'Global Warming' to the rank of 'Full of Hot Air' ! ::-}} Oops ! Climate-Gate Did Happen Yet Another Inconvenient Truth !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...f3800097470e85 . LET'S ALL CHANT THE CLIMATE-GATE© MANTRA : IT'S SETTLED SCIENCE : THERE CAN BE NO DEBATE [.] -wrt- Another Absurd Climate Gate© Moment !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4493147109bb61 . . Your Al Gore reference is smoke and mirrors, and completely irrelevant. The settled science part are your words, not mine, and completely innaccurate. Actually, 'The science is settled' is a quote of Algore. He said it at the Oscars, he's said it on Charlie Rose. He's said it numerous places. And he's wrong. Just like any other idiot who says it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ...and your credentials are...? I thought so. ------------------- You're right. I'm not a disciple of Al Gore. You on the other hand... |
(OT) : Al Gore's Rage-&-Rant : Global Warming Done Gone To HisHead !
On Aug 11, 12:23*pm, "MNMikew" wrote:
"bpnjensen" wrote in message ... On Aug 11, 11:08 am, "MNMikew" wrote: "D. Peter Maus" wrote in ... On 8/11/11 10:43 , bpnjensen wrote: On Aug 10, 2:07 pm, wrote: On Aug 10, 8:46 am, wrote: - On Aug 10, 3:13 am, wrote: . Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners Against Global Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debatehttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2acee8277e91b376 -posted-by- ka6uup -and-reply-by- Bruce Jensenhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bedf496a5fb56e41? . - - One Must Begin To Ask... - - - - How Many Shares BpnJ Owns in Al Gores - - Carbon Credits Corps ? ? ? - - - - Al Gore The Great Profit of Global Warming ! - - - - payola big or small is still payola ~ RHF - - . - - Another Absurd Climate Gate Moment ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/95fe5b213fcf20c4 - - . - - Climate-Gate : The 21st Century's Biggest Scientific SCAM ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/03f8f34788943898 - - . - - . - You're an uneducated idiot. BpnJ, You are getting good at the Al Gore 'Rage-&-Rant' Thingee :o)http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/pol...re-rant-why-th... You have elevated yourself from simple rank-and-file of 'Global Warming' to the rank of 'Full of Hot Air' ! ::-}} Oops ! Climate-Gate Did Happen Yet Another Inconvenient Truth !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...f3800097470e85 . LET'S ALL CHANT THE CLIMATE-GATE© MANTRA : IT'S SETTLED SCIENCE : THERE CAN BE NO DEBATE [.] -wrt- Another Absurd Climate Gate© Moment !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4493147109bb61 . . Your Al Gore reference is smoke and mirrors, and completely irrelevant. The settled science part are your words, not mine, and completely innaccurate. Actually, 'The science is settled' is a quote of Algore. He said it at the Oscars, he's said it on Charlie Rose. He's said it numerous places. And he's wrong. Just like any other idiot who says it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ..and your credentials are...? *I thought so. ------------------- You're right. I'm not a disciple of Al Gore. You on the other hand...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You made my point perfectly. Nothing between the ears. You also cannot read or understand the written word. Get literate. Get educated. Then, and only then, will we have a common basis for discussion. Until then, cya. |
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear WinnersAgainstGlobal Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
On Aug 11, 12:10*pm, bpnjensen wrote:
On Aug 11, 10:26*am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote: On 8/11/11 10:27 , bpnjensen wrote: On Aug 10, 9:04 am, "D. Peter *wrote: On 8/10/11 10:45 , bpnjensen wrote: Every Republican is a liar. *It's a congenital defect from massive inbreeding. * * You're better than that, Bruce. Sorry - I was just responding to Steve's silliness ;-) * *Mike Myers says that silliness is a State of Grace. * *One of the reasons so many people are so angry and tense is that they've lost their silly. - That, and their meager retirements, - their small fortunes, their tiny - security, their college tuitions, - their livelihoods. *Yeah, just try - smiling again! *That'll fix everything! All Under the Obama* Regime ! * Obama=Bush & Bush=Obama |
Scientific Smack down: Against Global Warming
On Aug 11, 8:28*am, bpnjensen wrote:
On Aug 10, 9:16*am, dave wrote: Every Republican is a liar. *It's a congenital defect from massive inbreeding. It's not really lying if you believe what you say is true. Republicans live in a bubble of disinformation and voluntary ignorance. Not the same as lying. - "Voluntary" ignorance is the key. -*If it's voluntary, it's a lie. BpnJ -tyvm- for "Volunteering" this 'key' information ;;-}} ~ RHF |
Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners AgainstGlobal Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate
"bpnjensen" wrote in message ... On Aug 11, 11:03 am, "MNMikew" wrote: "bpnjensen" wrote in message ... On Aug 10, 10:59 am, "MNMikew" wrote: "D. Peter Maus" wrote in ... On 8/10/11 12:32 , MNMikew wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 8/10/11 10:45 , bpnjensen wrote: Every Republican is a liar. It's a congenital defect from massive inbreeding. You're better than that, Bruce. Not really. Actually, he's generally more reasoned than this outburst. He and I may disagree, but I rarely see this kind of bitterness. Most AGW alarmists are pretty bitter.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Again, MnMike is a person who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, making believe he does. ------------------ Thanks for proving my point.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bitter maybe, but no less correct. You literally don't what the hell you're talking about, wallow in joyful self-imposed ignorance, and have not a single credential to your name. All you know is what the oil propaganda machine tells you. Educate yourself, or STFU. ------------------------------ LOL!! Spoken like the liberal shill you are. |
(OT) : Al Gore's Rage-&-Rant : Global Warming Done Gone To His Head !
"bpnjensen" wrote in message ... On Aug 11, 12:23 pm, "MNMikew" wrote: "bpnjensen" wrote in message ... On Aug 11, 11:08 am, "MNMikew" wrote: "D. Peter Maus" wrote in ... On 8/11/11 10:43 , bpnjensen wrote: On Aug 10, 2:07 pm, wrote: On Aug 10, 8:46 am, wrote: - On Aug 10, 3:13 am, wrote: . Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners Against Global Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debatehttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2acee8277e91b376 -posted-by- ka6uup -and-reply-by- Bruce Jensenhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bedf496a5fb56e41? . - - One Must Begin To Ask... - - - - How Many Shares BpnJ Owns in Al Gores - - Carbon Credits Corps ? ? ? - - - - Al Gore The Great Profit of Global Warming ! - - - - payola big or small is still payola ~ RHF - - . - - Another Absurd Climate Gate Moment ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/95fe5b213fcf20c4 - - . - - Climate-Gate : The 21st Century's Biggest Scientific SCAM ! - -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/03f8f34788943898 - - . - - . - You're an uneducated idiot. BpnJ, You are getting good at the Al Gore 'Rage-&-Rant' Thingee :o)http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/pol...re-rant-why-th... You have elevated yourself from simple rank-and-file of 'Global Warming' to the rank of 'Full of Hot Air' ! ::-}} Oops ! Climate-Gate Did Happen Yet Another Inconvenient Truth !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...f3800097470e85 . LET'S ALL CHANT THE CLIMATE-GATE© MANTRA : IT'S SETTLED SCIENCE : THERE CAN BE NO DEBATE [.] -wrt- Another Absurd Climate Gate© Moment !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4493147109bb61 . . Your Al Gore reference is smoke and mirrors, and completely irrelevant. The settled science part are your words, not mine, and completely innaccurate. Actually, 'The science is settled' is a quote of Algore. He said it at the Oscars, he's said it on Charlie Rose. He's said it numerous places. And he's wrong. Just like any other idiot who says it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ..and your credentials are...? I thought so. ------------------- You're right. I'm not a disciple of Al Gore. You on the other hand...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You made my point perfectly. Nothing between the ears. You also cannot read or understand the written word. Get literate. Get educated. Then, and only then, will we have a common basis for discussion. Until then, cya. ----------------------------------------------------------- Lemmie guess, you thought we were headed to another ice age in the 70's too. |
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