On Sun, 07 Aug 2011 15:06:59 -0700, dave wrote:

On 08/06/2011 05:38 PM, DogDiesel wrote:
people that want the government to have a balanced budget ,
a strong dollar, and no debt and deficits.

are patriots.




- I'm all for that.
- Give me my Social security in a lump sum
- and I'll be on my way.

M4 Mania Dave,

-hint- Social Security is NOT a Defined Benefit Retirement System.

Your Social Security was spent many years ago : In the revolving-door
Collect-from-the-Working and Pay-to-the-Retired FDR "Ponzi-Scheme"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme

But -if- you insist in a Social Security 'Lump Sum' Payment :
Be sure to check your Stocking this Christmas for your
Paid-in-Full Lump-of-Coal !

~ RHF

On 8/9/2011 11:34 AM, Sid9 wrote:

"Beam Me Up Scotty"
wrote in message ...
On 8/9/2011 10:10 AM, dave wrote:
On 08/09/2011 06:25 AM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:


you lost it in a Ponzi scheme, those people rarely get much money back.


Take the loss and put the people that run the Ponzi scheme in prison
with Bernie Maddoff. Then sue them and take their personal assets and
that will be the best you can hope for.


Three trillion dollars in T-bills is no Ponzi scheme. That is what the
people who want to steal it tell idiots like you, so when they do take
it you won't get mad. I have made 6 figures in direct SSA payments, I do
not expect to live long enough to collect it all.

If you stop taking in new suckers, and keep paying out benefits.....
will it still be solvent?



What or who will stop it?

It's worked in Germany since 1890..

The collapsing economy will stop it.

The fact that more people collect than pay in is cataclysmic... Are you
going to start a war to kill enough elderly Americans to get the ratio
of payers to users more equal?

On 08/09/2011 08:12 AM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:


If you stop taking in new suckers, and keep paying out benefits.....
will it still be solvent?


If not, it's a Ponzi scheme. And we know this Ponzi scheme is paying
out more than it's taking in.

Without new people putting their money in, so SS can be paid out to the
older investors, the SS system will cut returns/benefits and eventually
fail.


Ronald Reagan saved Social Security for Baby Boomers. The people you
support are trying to steal it. We vote and we have guns.

On 08/09/2011 09:28 AM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:


The fact that more people collect than pay in is cataclysmic... Are you
going to start a war to kill enough elderly Americans to get the ratio
of payers to users more equal?



Have a donut hole between $107K and $500K. Above $500K 3% payroll tax
resumes. Rich people are expected to contribute more because they
benefit more. Nobody wants to live among desperate poor people; they
smell bad and run down the property values.

Without cheap immigrant labor (or worse) there'd be no USA as we know it.

dave wrote:

On 08/09/2011 08:12 AM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:


If you stop taking in new suckers, and keep paying out benefits.....
will it still be solvent?


If not, it's a Ponzi scheme. And we know this Ponzi scheme is paying
out more than it's taking in.

Without new people putting their money in, so SS can be paid out to the
older investors, the SS system will cut returns/benefits and eventually
fail.


Ronald Reagan saved Social Security for Baby Boomers. The people you
support are trying to steal it. We vote and we have guns.

A drug addled 'tard boy would be no match for anyone.

The problem is: You still get to vote.

"Beam Me Up Scotty" wrote in message
...


The collapsing economy will stop it.

The fact that more people collect than pay in is cataclysmic... Are you
going to start a war to kill enough elderly Americans to get the ratio
of payers to users more equal?


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It was @%#$^! wars that CREATED the problem....

On 8/9/2011 9:28 AM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
On 8/9/2011 11:34 AM, Sid9 wrote:

"Beam Me Up
wrote in message ...
On 8/9/2011 10:10 AM, dave wrote:
On 08/09/2011 06:25 AM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:


you lost it in a Ponzi scheme, those people rarely get much money back.


Take the loss and put the people that run the Ponzi scheme in prison
with Bernie Maddoff. Then sue them and take their personal assets and
that will be the best you can hope for.


Three trillion dollars in T-bills is no Ponzi scheme. That is what the
people who want to steal it tell idiots like you, so when they do take
it you won't get mad. I have made 6 figures in direct SSA payments, I do
not expect to live long enough to collect it all.

If you stop taking in new suckers, and keep paying out benefits.....
will it still be solvent?



What or who will stop it?

It's worked in Germany since 1890..

The collapsing economy will stop it.

The fact that more people collect than pay in is cataclysmic... Are you
going to start a war to kill enough elderly Americans to get the ratio
of payers to users more equal?



We should let a bunch of immigrants move in to expand the tax base.

On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:46:27 -0700, dave wrote:

On 08/09/2011 09:28 AM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:


The fact that more people collect than pay in is cataclysmic... Are you
going to start a war to kill enough elderly Americans to get the ratio
of payers to users more equal?



Have a donut hole between $107K and $500K. Above $500K 3% payroll tax
resumes. Rich people are expected to contribute more because they
benefit more. Nobody wants to live among desperate poor people; they
smell bad and run down the property values.

Without cheap immigrant labor (or worse) there'd be no USA as we know it.

Actually US Social Security is clearly and truthfully identified
by it's name "Social" as in 'Socialist' {Collective} and that is
OK {Good?} .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_...ited_States%29
-promotes-the-'general-welfare'-of-senior-citizens-and-society-

Point-of-Fact : The Rich Wealthy Do NOT Pay Their
"Fair Share" of US Social Security Costs
-'social-{economic}-justice'-demands-that-they-do-

The Failure is that -if- US Social Security is Truly a Wealth
Redistribution Scheme : Taxing {Taking from} Present-Day
Income Earners and Giving To Current Retirees a Limited
Fixed Benefit {Modest Retirement Income}
*THEN* All Income with No Cap should be Taxed to Pay
the Full {Fool} Cost of US Social Security
# 1 - The First Step to Making US Social Security Solvent
is to Eliminate the Tax Income Cap.
The Second Step is to Increase the Tax
The Third Step is to Raise the Retirement Age
The Fourth Step is to Limit/Reduce* Future Benefits
* Means Testing

-former-president-bush-don't-need-no-social-security-

~ RHF

On 8/9/2011 4:55 PM, Brenda Ann wrote:


"Beam Me Up Scotty" wrote in message
...


The collapsing economy will stop it.

The fact that more people collect than pay in is cataclysmic... Are you
going to start a war to kill enough elderly Americans to get the ratio
of payers to users more equal?


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It was @%#$^! wars that CREATED the problem....





The war will start in your back yard, the old and sick will run out of
medicine and die..... that's the Socialist plan. Shave off a few
million maybe 20 or 30 million will just die in an expedited way that
"can't be helped" amidst all the chaos and confusion and violence and
burning cities and lack of electricity and medical care. Obama is
following the "plan".


Good luck, England is following the plan also. People will be afraid
to venture out like they are in London..... Wisconsin is beginning the
riots and the Socialist agitation and community activist violence, it's
convenient that Wisconsin is where the Democrat-Socialists sent all
their activists to stir up trouble for the Governor who cut UNION
benefits. It's going to get worse....



The Socialists have a plan for you.

On 8/9/2011 5:08 PM, dave wrote:
On 8/9/2011 9:28 AM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
On 8/9/2011 11:34 AM, Sid9 wrote:

"Beam Me Up
wrote in message ...
On 8/9/2011 10:10 AM, dave wrote:
On 08/09/2011 06:25 AM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:


you lost it in a Ponzi scheme, those people rarely get much money
back.


Take the loss and put the people that run the Ponzi scheme in prison
with Bernie Maddoff. Then sue them and take their personal assets and
that will be the best you can hope for.


Three trillion dollars in T-bills is no Ponzi scheme. That is what the
people who want to steal it tell idiots like you, so when they do take
it you won't get mad. I have made 6 figures in direct SSA payments,
I do
not expect to live long enough to collect it all.

If you stop taking in new suckers, and keep paying out benefits.....
will it still be solvent?



What or who will stop it?

It's worked in Germany since 1890..

The collapsing economy will stop it.

The fact that more people collect than pay in is cataclysmic... Are you
going to start a war to kill enough elderly Americans to get the ratio
of payers to users more equal?



We should let a bunch of immigrants move in to expand the tax base.

What a great idea, refuse to patrol the borders.... give them all
amnesty. To hide the FRAUD that the government politicians have
inflicted on us all.