On 8/16/2011 12:23 AM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/13...ransit-blocks-
cellphones-to-hinder-protest/?intcmp=obnetwork


An illegal, Orwellian violation of free-speech rights? Or just a smart
tactic to protect train passengers from rowdy would-be demonstrators
during a busy evening commute?

Not a free speech violation, of course. The government is under no
obligation to furnish you with the means of propagating your speech. I
don't know technically how BART brings cell service underground, but
whatever that mechanism is, BART owns it and can switch it on or off as
they see fit. Quite obviously, they have it as a means of providing a
service - a service they are under no obligation to provide in the first
place.

If you want to stand on a street corner and harangue passersby, that is
your right - but the state doesn't have to furnish you with a megaphone.
Free speech does not include the right to have your speech
disseminated beyond your own means.

George Plimpton wrote:



If you want to stand on a street corner and harangue passersby, that is
your right - but the state doesn't have to furnish you with a megaphone.
Free speech does not include the right to have your speech
disseminated beyond your own means.

That's freakin' ridiculous.

On Aug 16, 1:46*pm, dave wrote:
George Plimpton wrote:

- - If you want to stand on a street corner
- - and harangue passersby, that is your
- - right - but the state doesn't have to
- - furnish you with a megaphone.
- - Free speech does not include the right
- - to have your speech disseminated beyond
- - your own means.

Even the Soapbox Orators of Hyde Park,
London [UK] have to bring their own
Soap-Boxes.

On Aug 17, 7:31*am, dave wrote:
George Plimpton wrote:

What's ridiculous about it? *Do you think if you wish to harangue the
citizenry, the state has to put a television network at your disposal?

- - No, they don't.
- - If you wish to *buy* time on a network
- - for your harangue, fine.
- - But you do not have a right to propagate
- - your message at someone else's expense.

- If a station allows one side a voice for free,
- fairness demands they allow free time for an
- opposing viewpoint. They should make this a
- condition of the station license renewal.

? Dave... Where Is "Fairness Demands" In The
US Constitution !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution

All it takes is a 911 call or plea for help that would not connect.
Martin

On 8/16/2011 2:37 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 8/16/2011 12:23 AM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/13...ransit-blocks-
cellphones-to-hinder-protest/?intcmp=obnetwork


An illegal, Orwellian violation of free-speech rights? Or just a smart
tactic to protect train passengers from rowdy would-be demonstrators
during a busy evening commute?

Not a free speech violation, of course. The government is under no
obligation to furnish you with the means of propagating your speech. I
don't know technically how BART brings cell service underground, but
whatever that mechanism is, BART owns it and can switch it on or off as
they see fit. Quite obviously, they have it as a means of providing a
service - a service they are under no obligation to provide in the first
place.

If you want to stand on a street corner and harangue passersby, that is
your right - but the state doesn't have to furnish you with a megaphone.
Free speech does not include the right to have your speech disseminated
beyond your own means.

I call it San Franciskograd.

i

On Aug 18, 12:01*am, Ignoramus16731 ignoramus16...@NOSPAM.
16731.invalid wrote:
I call it San Franciskograd.

i

Russian Hill .

On Aug 17, 3:33*pm, dave wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Aug 17, 7:31 am, dave wrote:
- If a station allows one side a voice for free,
- fairness demands they allow free time for an
- opposing viewpoint. They should make this a
- condition of the station license renewal.

? Dave... Where Is "Fairness Demands" In The
US Constitution !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution
*.

- Our way of governing requires that smart,
- well-informed citizens exercise their right
- to vote.

M4 Mania Dave -oops- Your Liberal Uber Elitism
is Showing : Only 'You' that special Smart,
and Well-Informed Citizen can be the Decider
for All Us {lessor-beings} -aka- The Masses

White -or- Black -or- Yellow -or- Brown :
ONE HUMAN* = ONE VOTE
* US Citizen

Man -or- Woman : One Person = One Vote

Straight -or- LGBT : One Person = One Vote

Rich -or- Poor : One Person = One Vote

Property Owner -or- Renter : One Person = One Vote

Native Born* -or- Naturalized* : One Person = One Vote
* US Citizen

-and-therefore-it-follows-
Educated* -or- Worker** : One Person = One Vote
* Elitist -so-called- Enlightened 'Intellectual'
** Honest Hard-Working American US Citizen

RHF wrote:

On Aug 17, 3:33*pm, dave wrote:

- Our way of governing requires that smart,
- well-informed citizens exercise their right
- to vote.

M4 Mania Dave -oops- Your Liberal Uber Elitism
is Showing : Only 'You' that special Smart,
and Well-Informed Citizen can be the Decider
for All Us {lessor-beings} -aka- The Masses

Massive NPR Network with 2500 Radio Stations
All Broadcasting the Liberal {Democrat} Party-Line
{Propaganda} 24/7 -aka- The Obama-Radio Outlets !
-versus-fragmented-am-talk-radio-

I have a vision of America where everyone is smart and well informed.
You would prefer a nation of idiots who do whatever that last advert
tells them to do.

NPR has 800 stations that play some of their programming. About 2/3 of
that number are not full power full time NPR stations.

"Fairness" is such a bedrock concept for a moral person I'm not
surprised it eludes you.

I have been to Sanfranciscograd twice before, compliments of Unca Sam's
Army.

Paul Gallo (Super Talk Missy Sippy radio talk show) said the Dow is
down.Going to be a rough day.
cuhulin