Al Gore - BBC
"dave" wrote in message m... On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:09:26 -0700, John Smith wrote: “Earth was just fine in those times,” Happer added. :The oceans were fine, plants grew, animals grew fine. So it’s baffling to me that we�re so frightened of getting nowhere close to where we started,” Happer explained. Happer also noted that “the number of [skeptical scientists] with the courage to speak out is growing” and he warned “children should not be force-fed propaganda, masquerading as science.” Our agriculture is tweaked for a twentieth century climate. Crops are failing globally. People are dying. More CO2 doesn't mean more crops, it means more fires and smoke and less vegetation. Well, then I suggest we need to start adjusting our crops, because when the Earth decides it's going to release more CO2, there is next to nothing we can do about it. We either adopt and move on.....or we die out. |
Al Gore - BBC
"John Smith" wrote in message ... On 9/24/2011 9:24 AM, dave wrote: On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:09:26 -0700, John Smith wrote: “Earth was just fine in those times,” Happer added. :The oceans were fine, plants grew, animals grew fine. So it’s baffling to me that we�re so frightened of getting nowhere close to where we started,” Happer explained. Happer also noted that “the number of [skeptical scientists] with the courage to speak out is growing” and he warned “children should not be force-fed propaganda, masquerading as science.” Our agriculture is tweaked for a twentieth century climate. Crops are failing globally. People are dying. More CO2 doesn't mean more crops, it means more fires and smoke and less vegetation. Yeah, but Co2 and "global warming" has nothing to do with it, slash and burn on rainforests, over farming of the land without replenishing the necessary nutrients, lack of genetic diversity in the plantings, over use of pesticides with the accompanying increase in tolerance by "the bugs", over use of herbicides, lack of clean and ample water supplies, etc. are what we are looking at ... truth is, with ample water and nutrients, the sands of the desert would be abundant producers of food ... Sure....for awhile.....then you're going to have problems. Already in the central valley of California, over farming and lack of care to the land has found the ground becoming unsuitable to crops, so then trees are planted, the ground further degrades and finally ends up in the production of grapes ... Co2 and global warming have simply played no part what-so-ever in this grim tale of rape of the land ... greed, corruption, ignorance, laziness, etc. ... your standard culprits ... So in the end, the desert will once again be desert....so what's your point? See, trying to create an artificial ecosystem isn't likely to produce a long term viable ecosystem. If for no other reason than because it lacks the necessary natural cycles to deal with the accumulation of undesirable products. Such as salt, which exists in the water you're dumping there. Without enough water to pick up that salt and flush it into the rivers and streams and then out to sea.....eventually you will have excessive salt in your soil and it's going to impact your ecosystem. Welcome to reality. We created an artificial growing environment, but because it lacks the full depth of a natural system....it can exist only temporarily. |
Al Gore - BBC
On 9/24/2011 2:13 PM, Scout wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message ... On 9/24/2011 9:24 AM, dave wrote: On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:09:26 -0700, John Smith wrote: “Earth was just fine in those times,” Happer added. :The oceans were fine, plants grew, animals grew fine. So it’s baffling to me that we�re so frightened of getting nowhere close to where we started,” Happer explained. Happer also noted that “the number of [skeptical scientists] with the courage to speak out is growing” and he warned “children should not be force-fed propaganda, masquerading as science.” Our agriculture is tweaked for a twentieth century climate. Crops are failing globally. People are dying. More CO2 doesn't mean more crops, it means more fires and smoke and less vegetation. Yeah, but Co2 and "global warming" has nothing to do with it, slash and burn on rainforests, over farming of the land without replenishing the necessary nutrients, lack of genetic diversity in the plantings, over use of pesticides with the accompanying increase in tolerance by "the bugs", over use of herbicides, lack of clean and ample water supplies, etc. are what we are looking at ... truth is, with ample water and nutrients, the sands of the desert would be abundant producers of food ... Sure....for awhile.....then you're going to have problems. Already in the central valley of California, over farming and lack of care to the land has found the ground becoming unsuitable to crops, so then trees are planted, the ground further degrades and finally ends up in the production of grapes ... Co2 and global warming have simply played no part what-so-ever in this grim tale of rape of the land ... greed, corruption, ignorance, laziness, etc. ... your standard culprits ... So in the end, the desert will once again be desert....so what's your point? See, trying to create an artificial ecosystem isn't likely to produce a long term viable ecosystem. If for no other reason than because it lacks the necessary natural cycles to deal with the accumulation of undesirable products. Such as salt, which exists in the water you're dumping there. Without enough water to pick up that salt and flush it into the rivers and streams and then out to sea.....eventually you will have excessive salt in your soil and it's going to impact your ecosystem. Welcome to reality. We created an artificial growing environment, but because it lacks the full depth of a natural system....it can exist only temporarily. You definition of natural is "chance", and simply a spin on probability and statistics, I see nothing sacred about terra-forming other planets, other than it would break your definition of "natural." Today is simply a "screwing-up" of the "natural world" which existed millions, hundreds of thousands, or even just thousands of years ago -- such as when the nile valley was tropical in nature with serious rainfall (proof in the water-weathering of the sphinx. You sweat insignificant detail and attempt to set scale on your own personal definitions of "natural" or other imagined benchmarks of yours -- indeed, you are the perfect example of what is wrong with letting delusional "green people" a voice in human activities. Regards, JS |
Al Gore - BBC
On 9/24/2011 2:07 PM, Scout wrote:
"dave" wrote in message m... On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:09:26 -0700, John Smith wrote: “Earth was just fine in those times,” Happer added. :The oceans were fine, plants grew, animals grew fine. So it’s baffling to me that we�re so frightened of getting nowhere close to where we started,” Happer explained. Happer also noted that “the number of [skeptical scientists] with the courage to speak out is growing” and he warned “children should not be force-fed propaganda, masquerading as science.” Our agriculture is tweaked for a twentieth century climate. Crops are failing globally. People are dying. More CO2 doesn't mean more crops, it means more fires and smoke and less vegetation. Well, then I suggest we need to start adjusting our crops, because when the Earth decides it's going to release more CO2, there is next to nothing we can do about it. We either adopt and move on.....or we die out. You have this correct ... it would be just as valid to claim this is just the end of the last ice age, as opposed to this being a "human caused global warming." Chicken Little rides again in the form of al gore the tax whore ... Regards, JS |
Al Gore - BBC
"John Smith" wrote in message ... On 9/24/2011 2:13 PM, Scout wrote: "John Smith" wrote in message ... On 9/24/2011 9:24 AM, dave wrote: On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:09:26 -0700, John Smith wrote: “Earth was just fine in those times,” Happer added. :The oceans were fine, plants grew, animals grew fine. So it’s baffling to me that we�re so frightened of getting nowhere close to where we started,” Happer explained. Happer also noted that “the number of [skeptical scientists] with the courage to speak out is growing” and he warned “children should not be force-fed propaganda, masquerading as science.” Our agriculture is tweaked for a twentieth century climate. Crops are failing globally. People are dying. More CO2 doesn't mean more crops, it means more fires and smoke and less vegetation. Yeah, but Co2 and "global warming" has nothing to do with it, slash and burn on rainforests, over farming of the land without replenishing the necessary nutrients, lack of genetic diversity in the plantings, over use of pesticides with the accompanying increase in tolerance by "the bugs", over use of herbicides, lack of clean and ample water supplies, etc. are what we are looking at ... truth is, with ample water and nutrients, the sands of the desert would be abundant producers of food ... Sure....for awhile.....then you're going to have problems. Already in the central valley of California, over farming and lack of care to the land has found the ground becoming unsuitable to crops, so then trees are planted, the ground further degrades and finally ends up in the production of grapes ... Co2 and global warming have simply played no part what-so-ever in this grim tale of rape of the land ... greed, corruption, ignorance, laziness, etc. ... your standard culprits ... So in the end, the desert will once again be desert....so what's your point? See, trying to create an artificial ecosystem isn't likely to produce a long term viable ecosystem. If for no other reason than because it lacks the necessary natural cycles to deal with the accumulation of undesirable products. Such as salt, which exists in the water you're dumping there. Without enough water to pick up that salt and flush it into the rivers and streams and then out to sea.....eventually you will have excessive salt in your soil and it's going to impact your ecosystem. Welcome to reality. We created an artificial growing environment, but because it lacks the full depth of a natural system....it can exist only temporarily. You definition of natural is "chance", Maybe, but it WORKS, and it has for a long time. Where as what we create by artificial means hasn't stood the test of time. and simply a spin on probability and statistics, I see nothing sacred about terra-forming other planets, other than it would break your definition of "natural." yawn Is there a point in here somewhere? Today is simply a "screwing-up" of the "natural world" which existed millions, hundreds of thousands, or even just thousands of years ago -- such as when the nile valley was tropical in nature with serious rainfall (proof in the water-weathering of the sphinx. Still waiting for you to make a point. You sweat insignificant detail and attempt to set scale on your own personal definitions of "natural" or other imagined benchmarks of yours -- indeed, you are the perfect example of what is wrong with letting delusional "green people" a voice in human activities. IOW, no point, nor can refute the point I've made. |
Al Gore - BBC
On 9/24/2011 2:52 PM, Scout wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message ... On 9/24/2011 2:13 PM, Scout wrote: "John Smith" wrote in message ... On 9/24/2011 9:24 AM, dave wrote: On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:09:26 -0700, John Smith wrote: “Earth was just fine in those times,” Happer added. :The oceans were fine, plants grew, animals grew fine. So it’s baffling to me that we�re so frightened of getting nowhere close to where we started,” Happer explained. Happer also noted that “the number of [skeptical scientists] with the courage to speak out is growing” and he warned “children should not be force-fed propaganda, masquerading as science.” Our agriculture is tweaked for a twentieth century climate. Crops are failing globally. People are dying. More CO2 doesn't mean more crops, it means more fires and smoke and less vegetation. Yeah, but Co2 and "global warming" has nothing to do with it, slash and burn on rainforests, over farming of the land without replenishing the necessary nutrients, lack of genetic diversity in the plantings, over use of pesticides with the accompanying increase in tolerance by "the bugs", over use of herbicides, lack of clean and ample water supplies, etc. are what we are looking at ... truth is, with ample water and nutrients, the sands of the desert would be abundant producers of food ... Sure....for awhile.....then you're going to have problems. Already in the central valley of California, over farming and lack of care to the land has found the ground becoming unsuitable to crops, so then trees are planted, the ground further degrades and finally ends up in the production of grapes ... Co2 and global warming have simply played no part what-so-ever in this grim tale of rape of the land ... greed, corruption, ignorance, laziness, etc. ... your standard culprits ... So in the end, the desert will once again be desert....so what's your point? See, trying to create an artificial ecosystem isn't likely to produce a long term viable ecosystem. If for no other reason than because it lacks the necessary natural cycles to deal with the accumulation of undesirable products. Such as salt, which exists in the water you're dumping there. Without enough water to pick up that salt and flush it into the rivers and streams and then out to sea.....eventually you will have excessive salt in your soil and it's going to impact your ecosystem. Welcome to reality. We created an artificial growing environment, but because it lacks the full depth of a natural system....it can exist only temporarily. You definition of natural is "chance", Maybe, but it WORKS, and it has for a long time. Where as what we create by artificial means hasn't stood the test of time. and simply a spin on probability and statistics, I see nothing sacred about terra-forming other planets, other than it would break your definition of "natural." yawn Is there a point in here somewhere? Today is simply a "screwing-up" of the "natural world" which existed millions, hundreds of thousands, or even just thousands of years ago -- such as when the nile valley was tropical in nature with serious rainfall (proof in the water-weathering of the sphinx. Still waiting for you to make a point. You sweat insignificant detail and attempt to set scale on your own personal definitions of "natural" or other imagined benchmarks of yours -- indeed, you are the perfect example of what is wrong with letting delusional "green people" a voice in human activities. IOW, no point, nor can refute the point I've made. Yeah, you are just another imbecile that likes to mouth off, no facts, no research, can't back up their mutterings with real sites, etc. But then, we already knew that ... perhaps you didn't ... roflol Regards, JS |
Al Gore - BBC
On Sep 24, 2:07*pm, "Scout"
wrote: "dave" wrote in message m... On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:09:26 -0700, John Smith wrote: Earth was just fine in those times, Happer added. :The oceans were fine, plants grew, animals grew fine. So its baffling to me that we re so frightened of getting nowhere close to where we started, Happer explained. Happer also noted that the number of [skeptical scientists] with the courage to speak out is growing and he warned children should not be force-fed propaganda, masquerading as science. Our agriculture is tweaked for a twentieth century climate. Crops are failing globally. People are dying. More CO2 doesn't mean more crops, it means more fires and smoke and less vegetation. Well, then I suggest we need to start adjusting our crops, because when the Earth decides it's going to release more CO2, there is next to nothing we can do about it. We either adopt and move on.....or we die out. NAH we can Create CO2 Taxes to Redistribute Wealth from the Working People {Cattle} to The Rich -so- The Rich can build CO2 Free Bubble Houses and Farms to stay alive while the vast majority of Common People {Cattle} Die-Off as a Result of Natural Climate Change. Al Gore is a Genocidal Global Elitist and the Carbon Credits Scheme {Scam} is just a method to prop-up the Lifestyles of the Elitists while Taxing the Lives {Living} of Average People and Creating a smaller Taxed-into-Slavery Class of Drones to Serve Al Gore and his Global Elitists Overlords. Just Say "NO" To The Carbon Credits Scheme {Scam} say 'yes' to un-taxed energy freedom ~ RHF |
Al Gore - BBC
On 9/24/2011 6:33 PM, RHF wrote:
On Sep 24, 2:07 pm, "Scout" wrote: wrote in message m... On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:09:26 -0700, John Smith wrote: Earth was just fine in those times, Happer added. :The oceans were fine, plants grew, animals grew fine. So its baffling to me that we re so frightened of getting nowhere close to where we started, Happer explained. Happer also noted that the number of [skeptical scientists] with the courage to speak out is growing and he warned children should not be force-fed propaganda, masquerading as science. Our agriculture is tweaked for a twentieth century climate. Crops are failing globally. People are dying. More CO2 doesn't mean more crops, it means more fires and smoke and less vegetation. Well, then I suggest we need to start adjusting our crops, because when the Earth decides it's going to release more CO2, there is next to nothing we can do about it. We either adopt and move on.....or we die out. NAH we can Create CO2 Taxes to Redistribute Wealth from the Working People {Cattle} to The Rich -so- The Rich can build CO2 Free Bubble Houses and Farms to stay alive while the vast majority of Common People {Cattle} Die-Off as a Result of Natural Climate Change. Al Gore is a Genocidal Global Elitist and the Carbon Credits Scheme {Scam} is just a method to prop-up the Lifestyles of the Elitists while Taxing the Lives {Living} of Average People and Creating a smaller Taxed-into-Slavery Class of Drones to Serve Al Gore and his Global Elitists Overlords. Just Say "NO" To The Carbon Credits Scheme {Scam} say 'yes' to un-taxed energy freedom ~ RHF . . Yeah, that is pretty much it ... they think about "the commoners" as their property, slaves, an income source for them ... that is about it. Regards, JS |
Al Gore - BBC
My 1914 Ford Model T is rated at 20 - 22 horsepower.My 1948 Willys Jeep,
I think it is about 65 horsepower.My 1978 318 cubic inches Dodge van and my 1983 318 cubic inches Dodge van, they are rated at less than 200 horsepower, I think.My 1976 48 - 50 cc SACHS Moped, only a few horsepower.My vehicles can go anywhere 500 horsepower vehicles can go. cuhulin |
Al Gore - BBC
On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 14:32:28 -0700, John Smith wrote:
You have this correct ... it would be just as valid to claim this is just the end of the last ice age, as opposed to this being a "human caused global warming." You don't believe the physical evidence; the ice cores; Moana Loa Observatory? There has not been this much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere for at least 600,000 years. That is a bunch of ice ages. Since 1800 the atmospheric CO2 has skyrocketed, along with the amount of solid combustion artifacts found in sediment and tree rings, that point to industrial processes and deforestation as the most likely culprits. What do you have that refutes this, logically, in an obvious manner we can all understand? Please note the largest climate cycle is around 100,000 years, so we have gone through several complete astronomical cycles and still today's climate and atmosphere are unique to history. |
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