A god book on US Civics 101....
 

On 10/1/2011 3:21 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 09:50:23 -0700, John
wrote:

The realization that no less than this planet, the trees, the stars, the
oceans, etc. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HERE! Your creator provided land,
water, food, resources for you, to support your life, the family you
would create, the rights for you to enjoy, the diversions to entertain
you ... but, evil men and women were created to prevent you from
enjoying your birth rights -- and it is a forever battle and takes your
commitment to ensure you secure these, for yourself, your family, your
friends, etc.

But we have a duty to take care of this gift and to pass it on to
future generations.


Well, if you are really that concerned with all that, you can just kill
yourself now, and let those future generations enjoy it -- I mean, it is
America and you should have that right!

Regards,
JS

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RD Sandman wrote in
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Gray Guest wrote in
44.100:

RD Sandman wrote in
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Gray Guest wrote in
4.100:

RD Sandman wrote in
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Fair enough.......I have, as mentioned, three of the SP-101s and
none of the derringers.....although a friend of mine has about 10
of them.
He isn't thrilled about shooting them either. ;)

I shot an SP-101. Once. There is no reason to subject yourself to
that as there are equally effective gun/cartridge combos that are
far less painful.


Huh? The SP-101 is a relatively heavy gun for a snubbie. That is
one of the complaints about it. If you think it is vicious in
recoil, you really should stay away from any of the Scandiums from
S&W, or the titaniums from Taurus. Keep in mind that in those light
guns, most folks shooting .357 Mags, fire once, think "Holy ****!!",
fire another time and by the third round are looking for the exit. ;)

To me, there are several poly semi autos in 9mm that the recoil in is
heavier than an SP-101 in .357 Mag. Hell, the SP-101 in .327 Federal
feels like a fart compared to a windstorm. ;)


Sp-101 is the shot, is it not? The 5 shot .357 is what I shot. Maybe
it was the grips. I like recoil but to much is enough.

Oh, well........I have carried one for over twenty years. Used it as an
adjunct to my old(?) GP-100 with a 3" bbl. Sold the GP-100 (what a
mistake that was) and now have the three SP-101s. However, if they would
make a GP100 in .44 spl, I would buy another one in heartbeat.

Amen. I would love a .44 Spl revolver!


And I looked at the Scandiums and almost coughed up a lung laughing. I
have my 642(?) blued, concealed hammer, airweight 5 shot Jframe and I
like it plenty. Just use good bullets and practice.

That airweight Jframe should be at least as abusive as the SP-101. You
are looking at 11 ounces (J frame) compared to 25 ounces (SP-101) Both
empty.

Yeah but the .38, even the +P don't seem as vigorous as .357. Maybe it was
the rounds we were shooting. I have a 2.5" M-19 (old FBI trade in form when
they went to the 10mm, very slick) that is easy to shoot even with hot loads.
It has Pachmyar RB grips though. I really think it is about the grips in a
lot of cases.

I'm kinda funny about what I'll carry though. The guns i do carry have been
flawless or very easily adjusted by myself. Anything to untoward I get
uncomfortable. Had a Taurus 85CH. Great gun. Firing pin broke. Even though
they fized it under warranty and I'm sure it was fine I just couldn't put it
in my pocket again. Ended up selling it.

Same thing with the 101. Bad first impression makes me less likely to go back
for more. Not saying it's a bad gun, enough people swear by them. It's just
personal preference.

Self abuse is supposed to be pleasureable, isn't it? 8)

As long as the gun fits..... it is pleasurable to shoot. One reason why
there are so many choices out there.

I had a Super Blackhawk in .44 Mag. You know the one with the squared trigger
guard? I loved it until the first session at the range. The damn corner tore
the Hell outta my knuckles. I was holdling it right, it's just the way it
recoiled.

OTOH my wife has the Ruger Mk II. Love it. Great to shoot. And my heavy
barrel 10/22? It's indecent how much I love that thing. I have to watch when
I shooting it because I can go through a LOT of .22 in an afternoon, it's
such a pleasure to shoot.

I use steel plate swingers and just try to keep 'em moving so I don't have to
worry about changing out paper targets. Man it's a blast!

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Gray Guest wrote in
4.100:

RD Sandman wrote in
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Gray Guest wrote in
44.100:

RD Sandman wrote in
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Gray Guest wrote in
4.100:

RD Sandman wrote in
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Fair enough.......I have, as mentioned, three of the SP-101s and
none of the derringers.....although a friend of mine has about 10
of them.
He isn't thrilled about shooting them either. ;)

I shot an SP-101. Once. There is no reason to subject yourself to
that as there are equally effective gun/cartridge combos that are
far less painful.


Huh? The SP-101 is a relatively heavy gun for a snubbie. That is
one of the complaints about it. If you think it is vicious in
recoil, you really should stay away from any of the Scandiums from
S&W, or the titaniums from Taurus. Keep in mind that in those
light guns, most folks shooting .357 Mags, fire once, think "Holy
****!!", fire another time and by the third round are looking for
the exit. ;)

To me, there are several poly semi autos in 9mm that the recoil in
is heavier than an SP-101 in .357 Mag. Hell, the SP-101 in .327
Federal feels like a fart compared to a windstorm. ;)


Sp-101 is the shot, is it not? The 5 shot .357 is what I shot. Maybe
it was the grips. I like recoil but to much is enough.

Oh, well........I have carried one for over twenty years. Used it as
an adjunct to my old(?) GP-100 with a 3" bbl. Sold the GP-100 (what
a mistake that was) and now have the three SP-101s. However, if they
would make a GP100 in .44 spl, I would buy another one in heartbeat.

Amen. I would love a .44 Spl revolver!

I have three......a New Model Blackhawk, a Colt SAA, and a Taurus 445. I
also have one .44Mag, a Sporting Arms, Inc Seville Sheriff's model. I
carried the Taurus for a long time. I also had and sold two Rossi 720Cs.
Excellent guns. Smooth trigger in operation but I didn't like the feel
of it where it was grooved. I smoothed one of them out but not the
other. Got too good an offer for them.

And I looked at the Scandiums and almost coughed up a lung laughing.
I have my 642(?) blued, concealed hammer, airweight 5 shot Jframe
and I like it plenty. Just use good bullets and practice.

That airweight Jframe should be at least as abusive as the SP-101.
You are looking at 11 ounces (J frame) compared to 25 ounces (SP-101)
Both empty.

Yeah but the .38, even the +P don't seem as vigorous as .357.

It's not but both of the guns I mentioned there are available as .357s.
Additionally, just 'cause one has a .357, it doesn't make it that you
must shoot .357s in it. I know several folks with .357 snubbies who
carry .38 spl +P or +P+ in them.

Maybe it
was the rounds we were shooting. I have a 2.5" M-19 (old FBI trade in
form when they went to the 10mm, very slick) that is easy to shoot
even with hot loads. It has Pachmyar RB grips though. I really think
it is about the grips in a lot of cases.

Grips make a big difference. My 445 didn't come with the Ribber grip
that Taurus makes but it can be added. That Ribber grip does come with
the titanium model, just not the steel one.

I'm kinda funny about what I'll carry though. The guns i do carry have
been flawless or very easily adjusted by myself. Anything to untoward
I get uncomfortable. Had a Taurus 85CH. Great gun. Firing pin broke.
Even though they fized it under warranty and I'm sure it was fine I
just couldn't put it in my pocket again. Ended up selling it.

Good gun, I have a Taurus Ultra lite....snappy little sucker with +P but
it means well.

Same thing with the 101. Bad first impression makes me less likely to
go back for more. Not saying it's a bad gun, enough people swear by
them. It's just personal preference.

As noted, that is why there are so many choices.....there is no one size
fits all.

Self abuse is supposed to be pleasureable, isn't it? 8)

As long as the gun fits..... it is pleasurable to shoot. One reason
why there are so many choices out there.

I had a Super Blackhawk in .44 Mag. You know the one with the squared
trigger guard? I loved it until the first session at the range. The
damn corner tore the Hell outta my knuckles. I was holdling it right,
it's just the way it recoiled.

Shoot a Redhawk sometime. Another excellent gun from Ruger.

OTOH my wife has the Ruger Mk II. Love it. Great to shoot. And my
heavy barrel 10/22? It's indecent how much I love that thing. I have
to watch when I shooting it because I can go through a LOT of .22 in
an afternoon, it's such a pleasure to shoot.

I use steel plate swingers and just try to keep 'em moving so I don't
have to worry about changing out paper targets. Man it's a blast!

;)



--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

WINE - Does not make you FAT....it makes you LEAN....
...against tables, chairs, floors, walls and ugly people...

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Am 01.10.2011 20:30, schrieb Gray Guest:
Thomas wrote in news:9ep1fdF442U1
@mid.individual.net:

Well, Somalia is larger than you think and is full of deserts and
mountains. It could be real hard to find a certain individual,
especially since they don't use all these electronic gadgets,
individuals could usually be identified with.
But you don't want to tell me, the US army/navy/air force went there, to
find a specific war lord. (?)

Why do you have to demonstrate such abyssal ignorance
And since you are so ignorant, maybe you should stop making stupid
allegations about what happened and what followed.


sorry, but this thread is a bit out of my usual range of subjects and
meandered somewhere even more remote. But I don't think my statements
are that wrong. But if you are interested, I can do a little bit of
research.


TH


If you have to ask that question, now, all these years later, you are
particularly unqualified to comment.


I don't 'have to ask these questions'. Somalia was an example, but I
could have taken another invasion and ask, why that was done and were
there is any befit from this.

In a century the USA fought - maybe - two hundred wars. That was a lot
of 'help' (military aid) to the world. But neither the world nor the USA
look particularly happy.

You see, the subject of this thread were small arms and how they could
be used for self-defence - apparently against the own government. That
is no sign for a population, that really trusts the government. And this
is not, how a particularly happy society looks like (preparing for civil
war). So, were is the benefit?

Greetings

TH

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Guten Tag/Guten Morgen/whichever the case may be.
(Y'all didn't know I know German language, I don't know it, except for a
few German words)

Yeah, in fact of the business,,,, More and more everyday, more Americans
are NOT trusting American Government, and Rightly so too.

http://www.rense.com
Liberty Survivor, Phil Tourney & James Morris on McCain email.
cuhulin

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Thomas Heger wrote in :

Am 01.10.2011 20:30, schrieb Gray Guest:
Thomas wrote in news:9ep1fdF442U1
@mid.individual.net:

Well, Somalia is larger than you think and is full of deserts and
mountains. It could be real hard to find a certain individual,
especially since they don't use all these electronic gadgets,
individuals could usually be identified with.
But you don't want to tell me, the US army/navy/air force went there, to
find a specific war lord. (?)

Why do you have to demonstrate such abyssal ignorance
And since you are so ignorant, maybe you should stop making stupid
allegations about what happened and what followed.


sorry, but this thread is a bit out of my usual range of subjects and
meandered somewhere even more remote. But I don't think my statements
are that wrong. But if you are interested, I can do a little bit of
research.


TH


If you have to ask that question, now, all these years later, you are
particularly unqualified to comment.


I don't 'have to ask these questions'. Somalia was an example, but I
could have taken another invasion and ask, why that was done and were
there is any befit from this.

So you don't actually know the answer then? Just checking.

In a century the USA fought - maybe - two hundred wars. That was a lot

Name each one.

of 'help' (military aid) to the world. But neither the world nor the USA
look particularly happy.

So, where was the guarantee of happy? Killing Nazis, communists and
Islamofacists is it's own reward.

You see, the subject of this thread were small arms and how they could
be used for self-defence - apparently against the own government. That
is no sign for a population, that really trusts the government. And this
is not, how a particularly happy society looks like (preparing for civil
war). So, were is the benefit?

Um, no. The original post was from some douchebag shilling for derringers as
the ultimate defensice weapon for personal protection.

Now, don't you feel stupid? I mena, more than usual.


Greetings

TH





--
Words of wisdom

What does not kill you... probably didn't cause enough tissue damage.

Small gun, the serious protection you need ...
 

How to create home made tear gas mask.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=314156

You might need a tear gas mask someday.
I have an old Military grade (Mil-Spec) gas mask.It has a round metal
canister on it, there is a thick strip of tape on the canister.It says,
Remove Tape Before Using.
cuhulin

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Watchin 12:00 Pee Em WLBT 3 tee vee noos, (teh tee vee station that
doesn't exist, neither does WJTV 12 and neither does WAPT 16) one of the
tee vee commercials was about DISCOUNT GUN SAFE in Pearl,Missy Sippy.Teh
City of Pearl is just across the Pearl River from Jackson, about six
miles East of doggy's couch
Keep your Shootin Irons safe.
http://www.devilfinder.com/find.php?...rl+Mississippi
cuhulin

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Dirty Little Secrets of World War Two
http://www.rense.com/general92/dirty.htm
cuhulin

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Am 03.10.2011 03:53, schrieb SaPeIsMa:

...
If you have to ask that question, now, all these years later, you are
particularly unqualified to comment.


I don't 'have to ask these questions'. Somalia was an example, but I
could have taken another invasion and ask, why that was done and were
there is any befit from this.

In a century the USA fought - maybe - two hundred wars. That was a lot
of 'help' (military aid) to the world. But neither the world nor the
USA look particularly happy.


And how many wars did the Euros start and fight during that time ?
And how many Euros are particularly proud or happy about those wars


You are right and Europeans fought even more wars than the USA,
especially the UK, that holds the unofficial award for the most
militaristic society on the planet.

(Personally I think, that Hitler was an English spy, but that is my
personal opinion only. Another is, that England regards the USA as a
colony and uses its military to perform a few more invasions. )

The big difference in the great majority of wars where the US got
involved are
1) It was to help someone else
2) It was to avoid someone else becoming the victim of statists
There never was any guarantee that ALL of such attempts would be 100 %
well executed or successful.
But unlike countries like yours, the US has a far better record than
anyone else.

Yes, agreed. The USA usually win wars - but looses the peace. That seems
to be a general pattern, that I do not understand.


You see, the subject of this thread were small arms and how they could
be used for self-defence - apparently against the own government. That
is no sign for a population, that really trusts the government. And
this is not, how a particularly happy society looks like (preparing
for civil war). So, were is the benefit?


I'm sure all those Jews, gypsies, and others whom the German government
exterminated felt safe and secure in Germany right before it happened
There are tales of many people, who later ended in camps, who felt that
it just couldn't happen to them


I do not want to justify the crimes of the German government in the so
called 3rd Reich. Germany lost the war and was almost totally destroyed.

Then the Nazis have left Germany, mainly in the direction of South
America. But a god part went to the USA. These Nazis are dangerous
people, especially to their host.


Only fools who have learned nothing from history would actually trust
and keep trusting governments
Governments are tools to serve people
But to often in the past, the tables were turned and the people ended up
serving the few who controlled government.


No, I don't agree. In a democracy the government is 'We, the people...'.
These governments should never be a thread to their own people. That
seems to be an American speciality, that we don't have in Germany.

TH