Am 01.10.2011 16:46, schrieb SaPeIsMa:

"Thomas Heger" wrote in message
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Am 29.09.2011 17:04, schrieb SaPeIsMa:

But - for example- what kind of benefit do you expect from the
invasion of Afghanistan, Somalia, Irak? It always ends like Vietnam:
with a lot of dead soldiers and no real gain.


Afghanistan was to attack and destabilize the Taliban
At the time, becoming a major force force in creating radical
Islamofascists.
Somalia was at the time supposed to be an aid mission that was badly
planned and executed

Somalia was one of the poorest countries of the world in that time.
The Americans managed to make things even worse, since now there are
pirates from that country, that threaten the ships coming from the
Suez Canal.

Really
And naturally, other than making a fatuous and unsubstantiated claim,
you can provide a CAUSAL explanation to support that claim ?


(Sorry, but I do not understand, what you want. Maybe it's a question of
language. But could you please repeat your question with some other words.)

I didn't understand, what the US forces wanted to achieve in Somalia.
Maybe something like aid (for whom ??). Somehow they didn't get what
they came for (my guess), but I don't know, what that was.

In any case Somalia was (and is) an extreme case of 'third world' and
these 'war lords' had no real army. The greatest thread was - maybe- a
Toyota pick-up with a AK47 mounted on top.

Somehow the US forces managed to loose a few of their high-tech
helicopters, because they were shot down. (with bow and arrow?)

Then the US lost interest in that country and left it, worse then before.

So: where is the 'aid'? and what is the benefit for America from this
adventure?

It is hard to believe how these people could be a thread to the US
military, since there wasn't even a government, hence no real army -
only tribal forces with not much more than a self-made mortar.


Your stupid strawman
I'll leave you to feed it..


??? What ???
'Strawman' ? The translation 'Strohmann' in German is a person, that
pretends to be an independent individual, but is secretly a puppet for
somebody else (hidden).
'Your strawman' would mean, I had somebody in control????

Why did the US forces failed to create at least a little bit stability?


Because
1) They didn't go there in large enough numbers to control the whole
country
2) They were sent to take out a specific warlord
3) They project was undermanned and poorly planned by the powers that be
4) They then ran into a serious problem (Blackhawk Down)
5) The politicians then got cold feet and pulled out..

Well, Somalia is larger than you think and is full of deserts and
mountains. It could be real hard to find a certain individual,
especially since they don't use all these electronic gadgets,
individuals could usually be identified with.
But you don't want to tell me, the US army/navy/air force went there, to
find a specific war lord. (?)

Why do you have to demonstrate such abyssal ignorance
And since you are so ignorant, maybe you should stop making stupid
allegations about what happened and what followed.


sorry, but this thread is a bit out of my usual range of subjects and
meandered somewhere even more remote. But I don't think my statements
are that wrong. But if you are interested, I can do a little bit of
research.


TH