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October 14th 11, 09:36 AM
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(OT) Steve Jobs.
On Oct 13, 7:00*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 5:34 PM, Howard Brazee wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:09:37 -0700 (PDT), David Barts *wrote: Though that's largely irrelevant to my point. Again, if the price premium for a Mac isn't worth it to you (and it sounds like it's not), then just don't buy Macs (and it sounds like you're already not buying them). No problem; my feelings are not hurt in the least by someone making a different choice than I would have. How can that be? * Don't you know that anybody who buys an Apple product is an irrational Fanboy? * *If we weren't fooled, we would all make the same choices, right? Like I say, outside of academia, I just don't see that many MACs ... my niece has MACs, but she works for them ... her kids have PCs ... as far as I know, those are the only MACs in my whole family and group of friends ... but I am sure there must be some around, in number, somewhere ... when I have worked for attorneys, I have seen some used, but then, mainly by attorneys who didn't know how to use a computer ... and yeah, I think they just carried them as a status symbol! *Or, to play solitare, card games, match three games, tetris, etc. on the airplanes ... lol Regards, JS Ah Yes an Apple/MAC Computer {Case/Luggage} -says- "I Am An Apple/MAC Person !" [Status Symbol] http://www.globaltang.com/images/l/A...ories/M108.jpg -and-alas- you are merely a little nothing 'pc' http://rlv.zcache.com/hi_im_a_mac_ba...5z7tpy_152.jpg |
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#202
October 14th 11, 02:29 PM
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(OT) Steve Jobs.
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:08:24 -0700, John Smith
wrote: What is needed is run any application, not just applications purchased thru amazon. My wife has a Nook Color and it does just about everything she needs. The web browser is pretty good. No computer can run any application. Any application can be written to run on any platform ... unless you are talking about attempting to run an operating system on a 1.98 calculator ... If we are comparing "applications purchased thru Amazon", and "applications purchased somewhere else", we are talking about whether applications are currently available. And every platform has limitations about currently available applications that won't run on them. I will note again though - I do buy ebooks from Amazon to read on my iPad. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |
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#203
October 14th 11, 02:31 PM
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(OT) Steve Jobs.
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:07:08 -0700, John Smith
wrote: Exactly, electronic books in an open architecture which can be read on any appliance using any software/hardware of choice ... instead of them all attempting to be "the next phone company" and sell us a ridiculously cheap service at a ridiculously HIGH PROFIT! I break the e-book DRM of books I buy, just so I can make sure I can always read them. Might as well just buy the book ... I have over 5,000 books, but I'm retired and see the time when I will be moving into a couple of rooms. E-books take up much less space. (They are hard to get autographed though). -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |
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#204
October 14th 11, 08:27 PM
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(OT) Steve Jobs.
On 10/14/2011 6:31 AM, Howard Brazee wrote:
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:07:08 -0700, John wrote: Exactly, electronic books in an open architecture which can be read on any appliance using any software/hardware of choice ... instead of them all attempting to be "the next phone company" and sell us a ridiculously cheap service at a ridiculously HIGH PROFIT! I break the e-book DRM of books I buy, just so I can make sure I can always read them. Might as well just buy the book ... I have over 5,000 books, but I'm retired and see the time when I will be moving into a couple of rooms. E-books take up much less space. (They are hard to get autographed though). I have a relative who works for a large publisher, she has access to a non-destructive book scanner, I ship the books to NY, book rate, she scans them and emails me the digitized file, if I wish to keep the physical book, she mails it back, if not, she turns it in at a used book store for credit for her acquisitions ... covers and any pics included, I convert them to .html and use my html reader and laptop. I have gotten so used to carrying the laptop with me, it just seems natural. I always have it in small backpack which also comes in handy for any other items I need to carry, such as a small thermos of expresso, tobacco, notepad, snacks, extra ammo, etc. Fishing, family outings, appointments, waiting for the wife shopping, visiting my mothers', etc. ... I just never leave home without it ... it is simply loaded with books and decoded/digitized movies, mp3's, etc. .... any I wish to keep, I archive on DVD ... I can't even imagine what it would be like to be without these capabilities ... my wife calls my backpack my "man-purse." Regards, JS |
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#206
October 14th 11, 08:57 PM
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(OT) Steve Jobs.
On 10/13/2011 11:13 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In , . net wrote: "Alan wrote in message ... In , . net wrote: "Alan wrote in message ... In , John wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html No like this. http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac snip Like he said, Mac can't compete. LOL No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. a 13% increase of a small number.....is still a small number. Mac sales constitute about 4.5% of all new PC sales. BFD No, no. Mac sales didn't increase by 13%. Mac sales in the US were 13% of all personal computers sold in the last quarter. I was just thinking, that probably only encompasses whole, complete computers ... since I build my own, and most of my families and friends computers, they are not even counted ... in the final analysis, you can see that figure simply is not a meaningful representation of the total PC market ... Regards, JS |
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#207
October 14th 11, 09:00 PM
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(OT) Steve Jobs.
On 10/14/2011 1:36 AM, RHF wrote:
On Oct 13, 7:00 pm, John wrote: On 10/13/2011 5:34 PM, Howard Brazee wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:09:37 -0700 (PDT), David Barts wrote: Though that's largely irrelevant to my point. Again, if the price premium for a Mac isn't worth it to you (and it sounds like it's not), then just don't buy Macs (and it sounds like you're already not buying them). No problem; my feelings are not hurt in the least by someone making a different choice than I would have. How can that be? Don't you know that anybody who buys an Apple product is an irrational Fanboy? If we weren't fooled, we would all make the same choices, right? Like I say, outside of academia, I just don't see that many MACs ... my niece has MACs, but she works for them ... her kids have PCs ... as far as I know, those are the only MACs in my whole family and group of friends ... but I am sure there must be some around, in number, somewhere ... when I have worked for attorneys, I have seen some used, but then, mainly by attorneys who didn't know how to use a computer ... and yeah, I think they just carried them as a status symbol! Or, to play solitare, card games, match three games, tetris, etc. on the airplanes ... lol Regards, JS Ah Yes an Apple/MAC Computer {Case/Luggage} -says- "I Am An Apple/MAC Person !" [Status Symbol] http://www.globaltang.com/images/l/A...ories/M108.jpg -and-alas- you are merely a little nothing 'pc' http://rlv.zcache.com/hi_im_a_mac_ba...5z7tpy_152.jpg . .... as I just pointed out, that figure, most likely, don't not represent all the PC's which are built-up from components ... like most gaming computers are ... the apple share of market is obviously a lot smaller than that being quoted ... Anyone needing state-of-art/specialized-use obviously has a custom built PC ... Regards, JS |
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#208
October 14th 11, 09:14 PM
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(OT) Steve Jobs.
On 10/14/11 2:57 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 11:13 PM, Alan Baker wrote: In , . net wrote: "Alan wrote in message ... In , . net wrote: "Alan wrote in message ... In , John wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html No like this. http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac snip Like he said, Mac can't compete. LOL No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. a 13% increase of a small number.....is still a small number. Mac sales constitute about 4.5% of all new PC sales. BFD No, no. Mac sales didn't increase by 13%. Mac sales in the US were 13% of all personal computers sold in the last quarter. I was just thinking, that probably only encompasses whole, complete computers ... since I build my own, and most of my families and friends computers, they are not even counted ... in the final analysis, you can see that figure simply is not a meaningful representation of the total PC market ... Regards, JS Hogwash! What you build and other hobbyists also, is such a tiny part of the sales market it has no real bearing on the issue at all. And for the most part, few companies care about that build-your-own hobbyist market except some parts makers. -- Lloyd |
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#209
October 14th 11, 09:16 PM
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(OT) Steve Jobs.
On 10/14/11 3:00 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/14/2011 1:36 AM, RHF wrote: On Oct 13, 7:00 pm, John wrote: On 10/13/2011 5:34 PM, Howard Brazee wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:09:37 -0700 (PDT), David Barts wrote: Though that's largely irrelevant to my point. Again, if the price premium for a Mac isn't worth it to you (and it sounds like it's not), then just don't buy Macs (and it sounds like you're already not buying them). No problem; my feelings are not hurt in the least by someone making a different choice than I would have. How can that be? Don't you know that anybody who buys an Apple product is an irrational Fanboy? If we weren't fooled, we would all make the same choices, right? Like I say, outside of academia, I just don't see that many MACs ... my niece has MACs, but she works for them ... her kids have PCs ... as far as I know, those are the only MACs in my whole family and group of friends ... but I am sure there must be some around, in number, somewhere ... when I have worked for attorneys, I have seen some used, but then, mainly by attorneys who didn't know how to use a computer ... and yeah, I think they just carried them as a status symbol! Or, to play solitare, card games, match three games, tetris, etc. on the airplanes ... lol Regards, JS Ah Yes an Apple/MAC Computer {Case/Luggage} -says- "I Am An Apple/MAC Person !" [Status Symbol] http://www.globaltang.com/images/l/A...ories/M108.jpg -and-alas- you are merely a little nothing 'pc' http://rlv.zcache.com/hi_im_a_mac_ba...5z7tpy_152.jpg . ... as I just pointed out, that figure, most likely, don't not represent all the PC's which are built-up from components ... like most gaming computers are ... the apple share of market is obviously a lot smaller than that being quoted ... Anyone needing state-of-art/specialized-use obviously has a custom built PC ... Regards, JS Some gaming computers are hobbyist built, many are bought off the shelf or from companies that specialize in that market. Other specialized uses for computers are readily available on either off the shelf or built to order basis by companies that do show their sales figures. Your hobbyist references represents a miniscule part of the overall market that has little significance in the overall market. -- Lloyd |
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#210
October 14th 11, 09:44 PM
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"Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , "Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , "Scout" wrote: "Alan Baker" wrote in message ... In article , John Smith wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote: On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote: In , John wrote: Your post is an excellent example of what I have found about "Apple People", they have a religious devotion to the platform ... Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes that anyone who sees value where you do not must do it out of religious devotion... Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse MAC's, is that I write much of the software I use ... plus, I private contract to develop software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired, for the most part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it simply would not make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the business to make money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked hard in being one of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think they can do that without me ... In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows from your perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers with their own OS? You can write software for that platform just as you can for Windows or for Linux. Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their software, just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or even an idildo, for that matter! ROFLOL So? Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware and Microsoft doesn't? Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the conversation I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang less buck will do ... It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools always end up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil just doesn't really apply. If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any crimes which have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean, like, DUH! Regards, JS As I said: How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you do not must be a fool... It's a cultural standard, today. Hey, I am not the one into social standards! I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC can just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ... Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example... Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high res HD monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do the same with audio ... You mean, like this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html No like this. http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac snip Like he said, Mac can't compete. LOL No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now. Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that. a 13% increase of a small number.....is still a small number. Mac sales constitute about 4.5% of all new PC sales. BFD No, no. Mac sales didn't increase by 13%. Mac sales in the US were 13% of all personal computers sold in the last quarter. Wrong, that is the amount sales have increased. Mac sales still only constitute about 4.5% of total PC sales. PC sales in Q2 2011 "Overall, the number of units reached 85 million, of which HP, Dell, Lenovo, Acer and ASUS accounted for 17.5%, 12.5%, 12%, 10.9% and 5.2%, respectively." http://news.softpedia.com/news/Gartn...1-211780.shtml Meanwhile: Mac sales a Mac sales in Q2 2011 "Mac sales increased 28 percent from last year, with 3.76 million sold" http://gigaom.com/apple/apple-q2-201...million-ipads/ 3.76/85 = 4.4% So sales are actually less than my estimate of 4.5% That's a LONG way from the 13% you assert. No, bubba, sales of Macs increased by 13% (probably from Q1 2011) not that Mac sales constitute 13% of all PC sales. IOW, sales of Mac increased from about 3.25 Million to 3.76 Million per quarter. But next to total PC sales of 85 Million.....that's a pretty minimal change representing a difference of only about 0.6% increase in market share for that quarter. Further if we look the BULK of Mac sales are the mobiles. Desktop Mac sales continue to drop off. "Apple sold 2.75 million laptops, compared to 1.01 million desktops, with laptops accounting for 73 percent of Mac sales for the quarter. By the end of the calendar year, it's likely three out of four Macs sold will be portables. The inexorable trend towards niche status for desktops continues." http://gigaom.com/apple/apple-q2-201...million-ipads/ Seems people don't want a Mac sitting on their computer desk, unless they can walk away with it. |
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