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October 13th 11, 10:48 PM
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(OT) Steve Jobs.
On 10/13/11 3:13 PM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message ... In article , says... In article , BAR wrote: In article , says... In article , John Smith wrote: On 10/10/2011 4:49 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , Alan wrote: In articlejoednXxxSuLvPQzTnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@earthlink .com, wrote: On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:03:20 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote: That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form [over] substance --------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- --- -- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- --- -- -- Besides, Apple was extant in the market before PC's (the original Apple computer was something like $3000, a clone was about $2300, IIRC). Apple maintained a following and indeed an increasing market base even after PC's got so cheap that most anyone could afford one. If someone likes a product enough to pay what seems to be an exhorbitant price for it, even in the face of a much cheaper alternative, then that is what they call "market forces" in operation. The consumer, in this case, has actually set the price by buying the product. If nobody were buying it, it would either become cheaper or taken off the market. They subsidised and strongarmed their way into schools; a whole generation equated Apple with computing. It's definitely a fashion thing. I was the IT guy at a TV network west coast headquarters. All the "creative" types insisted on iMacs; they refused to work on windows machines (this is for typing-not editing). Hollywood creative types are insufferable boors. Of course... ...someone insisting on a product must be a "fashion thing". How exactly did Apple "strongarm" their way into schools. Perhaps this genius can also explain why more and more college students in science and engineering are switching to Macs? Of their own free will, that is. And not to use Windoze on them, either. What is Apple at now - 11%, third largest, up from less than 5% four years ago? Intel won. Linux is surely the equal, or better, of windows -- however, it is a tad bit more difficult to use (unbutu perhaps breaks that rule) and is just as prone to viruses and such, if used by people without proper education and/or a virus/malware scanner ... If Linux is "surely the equal, or better, of Windows", then Mac OS X is surely the superior of Windows, because it is surely the better of Linux. It offers all that Linux offers and is easier to use. Keep trying. The world runs on Windows. Keep trying - increasingly it does not. Check Apple's rapidly growing market share. More importantly, I can tell you more and more college students in technical fields like science and engineering are using Macs these days. Programming in Matlab, Maple, Mathematica is the norm now, and they all run perfectly on OS X. Plus they get all the benefits of OS X in other applications, too. When these kids hit the job market, the trend will simply continue. I can tell you that at my large international corporation we are still not embracing Apple on the desktop. We are running Windows and Linux and we will soon be running dumb tubes, throw back to the 70's, on the desktop. There is no reason to put a high dollar, high end computer on everyone's desktop to run e-mail, surfing, and spreadsheets and documents. We are embracing the iPad primarily because we can use it to get to VMs and because we can run web enabled applications. You can effectively take your desktop anywhere. These are the only two requirements of a "pad" that we need. As soon as something cheaper than the iPad is available we will officially support that and may even provide it to our users. The desktop only needs to be a tube, keyboard, and mouse with a connection to our network. Amazon is supposedly coming out with a $200 dollar upgrade to the Nook that will go directly against the IPad. It will be running Android and will be open architecture. Time to start looking at a short on Apple I guess paying attention, or having a clue isn't part of your daily life. Amazon is coming out with a new Kindle Fire (note that Nook is from B&N) that is based on Android but is NOT open architecture. It is tightly tied to Amazon. -- Lloyd |
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October 14th 11, 03:05 AM
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(OT) Steve Jobs.
In article ,
"SaPeIsMa" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message ... In article , says... In article , BAR wrote: In article , says... In article , John Smith wrote: On 10/10/2011 4:49 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , Alan wrote: In articlejoednXxxSuLvPQzTnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@earthlink .com, wrote: On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:03:20 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote: That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a lifestyle of form [over] substance ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ---- --- -- -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ---- --- -- -- Besides, Apple was extant in the market before PC's (the original Apple computer was something like $3000, a clone was about $2300, IIRC). Apple maintained a following and indeed an increasing market base even after PC's got so cheap that most anyone could afford one. If someone likes a product enough to pay what seems to be an exhorbitant price for it, even in the face of a much cheaper alternative, then that is what they call "market forces" in operation. The consumer, in this case, has actually set the price by buying the product. If nobody were buying it, it would either become cheaper or taken off the market. They subsidised and strongarmed their way into schools; a whole generation equated Apple with computing. It's definitely a fashion thing. I was the IT guy at a TV network west coast headquarters. All the "creative" types insisted on iMacs; they refused to work on windows machines (this is for typing-not editing). Hollywood creative types are insufferable boors. Of course... ...someone insisting on a product must be a "fashion thing". How exactly did Apple "strongarm" their way into schools. Perhaps this genius can also explain why more and more college students in science and engineering are switching to Macs? Of their own free will, that is. And not to use Windoze on them, either. What is Apple at now - 11%, third largest, up from less than 5% four years ago? Intel won. Linux is surely the equal, or better, of windows -- however, it is a tad bit more difficult to use (unbutu perhaps breaks that rule) and is just as prone to viruses and such, if used by people without proper education and/or a virus/malware scanner ... If Linux is "surely the equal, or better, of Windows", then Mac OS X is surely the superior of Windows, because it is surely the better of Linux. It offers all that Linux offers and is easier to use. Keep trying. The world runs on Windows. Keep trying - increasingly it does not. Check Apple's rapidly growing market share. More importantly, I can tell you more and more college students in technical fields like science and engineering are using Macs these days. Programming in Matlab, Maple, Mathematica is the norm now, and they all run perfectly on OS X. Plus they get all the benefits of OS X in other applications, too. When these kids hit the job market, the trend will simply continue. I can tell you that at my large international corporation we are still not embracing Apple on the desktop. We are running Windows and Linux and we will soon be running dumb tubes, throw back to the 70's, on the desktop. There is no reason to put a high dollar, high end computer on everyone's desktop to run e-mail, surfing, and spreadsheets and documents. We are embracing the iPad primarily because we can use it to get to VMs and because we can run web enabled applications. You can effectively take your desktop anywhere. These are the only two requirements of a "pad" that we need. As soon as something cheaper than the iPad is available we will officially support that and may even provide it to our users. The desktop only needs to be a tube, keyboard, and mouse with a connection to our network. Amazon is supposedly coming out with a $200 dollar upgrade to the Nook that will go directly against the IPad. It will be running Android and will be open architecture. Time to start looking at a short on Apple Yes, they said that about the Zune and the iPod, not to mention HP's pathetic effort at a tablet. |
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