In article ,
John Smith wrote:

On 10/18/2011 6:16 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/18/2011 1:13 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/18/2011 12:30 PM, RHF wrote:
On Oct 18, 9:58 am, John wrote:
On 10/18/2011 5:18 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

On 10/17/11 20:04 , Howard Brazee wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:41:08 -0700 (PDT), RHF
wrote:

Friends Don't Let Friends Buy Apples/Macs.

Friends let friends be their own people, making their own choices.

The world needs more friends.

Hey....making sense, here. Cut it out.

Real friends sit they PC down besides the Mac users equipment and give
them a demonstration ... one picture is worth 10,000 words ...

Regards,
JS

Apple-holics 'Know' with a certainty that MACs are
very "pc"*, and lowly PCs {The Machine} are not.
-apple/macs-are-creative-tools-for-the-ennobled-
-while-ms/pcs-are-simply-machines-for-the-masses-

* 'pc' politically correct and elitist**

** 'i' am an Educator {in Education} and use
an Apple/MAC therefore 'i' and 'it' are better
than you and your lowly PC
-or-
** 'i' am Creative {in the Arts etc...} and use
an Apple/MAC therefore 'i' and 'it' are better
than you and your lowly PC
.
Apple/MAC : A Statement of "Who I Am"
-versus-
MS/PC : A Statement of "What I Do"
-result-
Fashion Over Form-&-Function
.
.

What I seen was bill gates become very obstinate and think that that
there was no need for video as powerful as the computers ... MAC video
graphic artists where forced into being ... now that windows went ahead
and provided the supporting software/driver support, there is no finer
video than you will find on PC's ... and the leading reason all no. one
games usually only run on the PC, and windows ... to transcode them for
another architecture/video support cuts too many capabilities from the
game.

Windows didn't "go ahead" and do that, John. The companies that build
the graphics cards provide the drivers.

As for your "too many capabilities from the game" claim...

...let's see a concrete example.


Tell you what, this will get you started on who sets the specs and
defines the driver:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...4644%28v=vs.85
%29
.aspx


I never said that Microsoft doesn't set specs or defining things.

You, again, seem to have a real problem with semantics ... usually a
problem for those with no or inadequate educations.

"YOU can build a driver using the Visual Studio development environment,
or YOU can build a driver directly from the command line using the
Microsoft Build Engine (MSBuild). To build drivers for Windows Developer
Preview, Windows 7, and Windows Vista, use Visual Studio and MSBuild. To
build drivers for Windows XP, YOU must use the Windows 7 WDK and the
Windows Build Utility (Build.exe)."

Do you see that word that I've capitalized? To whom do you think
Microsoft is referring with the word "YOU" in that paragraph?


The person/people who "build a bridge" are those completing the design,
engineering and plans ... so it is with anything ... it is not "the guy
with the shovel."

Your analogy is so flawed I cannot even begin.


The construction workers ... not the people who have designed the system
and specs ... they simply assembly from the ms libraries ...

No. It is absolutely nothing like that.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

On 10/19/2011 12:14 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/18/2011 6:16 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/18/2011 1:13 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/18/2011 12:30 PM, RHF wrote:
On Oct 18, 9:58 am, John wrote:
On 10/18/2011 5:18 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

On 10/17/11 20:04 , Howard Brazee wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:41:08 -0700 (PDT), RHF
wrote:

Friends Don't Let Friends Buy Apples/Macs.

Friends let friends be their own people, making their own choices.

The world needs more friends.

Hey....making sense, here. Cut it out.

Real friends sit they PC down besides the Mac users equipment and give
them a demonstration ... one picture is worth 10,000 words ...

Regards,
JS

Apple-holics 'Know' with a certainty that MACs are
very "pc"*, and lowly PCs {The Machine} are not.
-apple/macs-are-creative-tools-for-the-ennobled-
-while-ms/pcs-are-simply-machines-for-the-masses-

* 'pc' politically correct and elitist**

** 'i' am an Educator {in Education} and use
an Apple/MAC therefore 'i' and 'it' are better
than you and your lowly PC
-or-
** 'i' am Creative {in the Arts etc...} and use
an Apple/MAC therefore 'i' and 'it' are better
than you and your lowly PC
.
Apple/MAC : A Statement of "Who I Am"
-versus-
MS/PC : A Statement of "What I Do"
-result-
Fashion Over Form-&-Function
.
.

What I seen was bill gates become very obstinate and think that that
there was no need for video as powerful as the computers ... MAC video
graphic artists where forced into being ... now that windows went ahead
and provided the supporting software/driver support, there is no finer
video than you will find on PC's ... and the leading reason all no. one
games usually only run on the PC, and windows ... to transcode them for
another architecture/video support cuts too many capabilities from the
game.

Windows didn't "go ahead" and do that, John. The companies that build
the graphics cards provide the drivers.

As for your "too many capabilities from the game" claim...

...let's see a concrete example.


Tell you what, this will get you started on who sets the specs and
defines the driver:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...4644%28v=vs.85
%29
.aspx


I never said that Microsoft doesn't set specs or defining things.

You, again, seem to have a real problem with semantics ... usually a
problem for those with no or inadequate educations.

"YOU can build a driver using the Visual Studio development environment,
or YOU can build a driver directly from the command line using the
Microsoft Build Engine (MSBuild). To build drivers for Windows Developer
Preview, Windows 7, and Windows Vista, use Visual Studio and MSBuild. To
build drivers for Windows XP, YOU must use the Windows 7 WDK and the
Windows Build Utility (Build.exe)."

Do you see that word that I've capitalized? To whom do you think
Microsoft is referring with the word "YOU" in that paragraph?


The person/people who "build a bridge" are those completing the design,
engineering and plans ... so it is with anything ... it is not "the guy
with the shovel."

Your analogy is so flawed I cannot even begin.


The construction workers ... not the people who have designed the system
and specs ... they simply assembly from the ms libraries ...

No. It is absolutely nothing like that.


Right, WHQL and the windows driver SDK is only a figment of software
engineers imaginations ... ROFLOL

But, the windows driver sdk could be rewritten and non-windows certified
drivers created (indeed, I have used work-a-like driver SDKs, however,
they cannot be used in the creation of windows WHQL drivers) ... duh!
Linux is really only a rewrite of unix and was done to have a free OS ...

You are a fool who wants to split hairs and change the discussion off to
a tangent ... fool.

Regards,
JS

In article ,
John Smith wrote:

On 10/19/2011 12:14 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/18/2011 6:16 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/18/2011 1:13 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/18/2011 12:30 PM, RHF wrote:
On Oct 18, 9:58 am, John wrote:
On 10/18/2011 5:18 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

On 10/17/11 20:04 , Howard Brazee wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:41:08 -0700 (PDT), RHF
wrote:

Friends Don't Let Friends Buy Apples/Macs.

Friends let friends be their own people, making their own choices.

The world needs more friends.

Hey....making sense, here. Cut it out.

Real friends sit they PC down besides the Mac users equipment and
give
them a demonstration ... one picture is worth 10,000 words ...

Regards,
JS

Apple-holics 'Know' with a certainty that MACs are
very "pc"*, and lowly PCs {The Machine} are not.
-apple/macs-are-creative-tools-for-the-ennobled-
-while-ms/pcs-are-simply-machines-for-the-masses-

* 'pc' politically correct and elitist**

** 'i' am an Educator {in Education} and use
an Apple/MAC therefore 'i' and 'it' are better
than you and your lowly PC
-or-
** 'i' am Creative {in the Arts etc...} and use
an Apple/MAC therefore 'i' and 'it' are better
than you and your lowly PC
.
Apple/MAC : A Statement of "Who I Am"
-versus-
MS/PC : A Statement of "What I Do"
-result-
Fashion Over Form-&-Function
.
.

What I seen was bill gates become very obstinate and think that that
there was no need for video as powerful as the computers ... MAC video
graphic artists where forced into being ... now that windows went
ahead
and provided the supporting software/driver support, there is no finer
video than you will find on PC's ... and the leading reason all no.
one
games usually only run on the PC, and windows ... to transcode them
for
another architecture/video support cuts too many capabilities from the
game.

Windows didn't "go ahead" and do that, John. The companies that build
the graphics cards provide the drivers.

As for your "too many capabilities from the game" claim...

...let's see a concrete example.


Tell you what, this will get you started on who sets the specs and
defines the driver:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...f554644%28v=vs.
85
%29
.aspx


I never said that Microsoft doesn't set specs or defining things.

You, again, seem to have a real problem with semantics ... usually a
problem for those with no or inadequate educations.

"YOU can build a driver using the Visual Studio development environment,
or YOU can build a driver directly from the command line using the
Microsoft Build Engine (MSBuild). To build drivers for Windows Developer
Preview, Windows 7, and Windows Vista, use Visual Studio and MSBuild. To
build drivers for Windows XP, YOU must use the Windows 7 WDK and the
Windows Build Utility (Build.exe)."

Do you see that word that I've capitalized? To whom do you think
Microsoft is referring with the word "YOU" in that paragraph?


The person/people who "build a bridge" are those completing the design,
engineering and plans ... so it is with anything ... it is not "the guy
with the shovel."

Your analogy is so flawed I cannot even begin.


The construction workers ... not the people who have designed the system
and specs ... they simply assembly from the ms libraries ...

No. It is absolutely nothing like that.


Right, WHQL and the windows driver SDK is only a figment of software
engineers imaginations ... ROFLOL

Do you now what an SDK is? Seriously? A "software development kit"; a
set of tools to make developing software easier. And it's called the
"WDK", John: the "Windows Driver Kit"

Hardware manufacturers download the WDK...

....so that they can develop (write) drivers.

Period.


But, the windows driver sdk could be rewritten and non-windows certified
drivers created (indeed, I have used work-a-like driver SDKs, however,
they cannot be used in the creation of windows WHQL drivers) ... duh!
Linux is really only a rewrite of unix and was done to have a free OS ...

You do realize that there is an OS called "FreeBSD", right?


You are a fool who wants to split hairs and change the discussion off to
a tangent ... fool.

It's not a hair.

Microsoft doesn't write the drivers: the hardware manufacturers do.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

On 10/25/2011 5:05 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/19/2011 12:14 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/18/2011 6:16 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/18/2011 1:13 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/18/2011 12:30 PM, RHF wrote:
On Oct 18, 9:58 am, John wrote:
On 10/18/2011 5:18 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

On 10/17/11 20:04 , Howard Brazee wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:41:08 -0700 (PDT), RHF
wrote:

Friends Don't Let Friends Buy Apples/Macs.

Friends let friends be their own people, making their own choices.

The world needs more friends.

Hey....making sense, here. Cut it out.

Real friends sit they PC down besides the Mac users equipment and
give
them a demonstration ... one picture is worth 10,000 words ...

Regards,
JS

Apple-holics 'Know' with a certainty that MACs are
very "pc"*, and lowly PCs {The Machine} are not.
-apple/macs-are-creative-tools-for-the-ennobled-
-while-ms/pcs-are-simply-machines-for-the-masses-

* 'pc' politically correct and elitist**

** 'i' am an Educator {in Education} and use
an Apple/MAC therefore 'i' and 'it' are better
than you and your lowly PC
-or-
** 'i' am Creative {in the Arts etc...} and use
an Apple/MAC therefore 'i' and 'it' are better
than you and your lowly PC
.
Apple/MAC : A Statement of "Who I Am"
-versus-
MS/PC : A Statement of "What I Do"
-result-
Fashion Over Form-&-Function
.
.

What I seen was bill gates become very obstinate and think that that
there was no need for video as powerful as the computers ... MAC video
graphic artists where forced into being ... now that windows went
ahead
and provided the supporting software/driver support, there is no finer
video than you will find on PC's ... and the leading reason all no.
one
games usually only run on the PC, and windows ... to transcode them
for
another architecture/video support cuts too many capabilities from the
game.

Windows didn't "go ahead" and do that, John. The companies that build
the graphics cards provide the drivers.

As for your "too many capabilities from the game" claim...

...let's see a concrete example.


Tell you what, this will get you started on who sets the specs and
defines the driver:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...f554644%28v=vs.
85
%29
.aspx


I never said that Microsoft doesn't set specs or defining things.

You, again, seem to have a real problem with semantics ... usually a
problem for those with no or inadequate educations.

"YOU can build a driver using the Visual Studio development environment,
or YOU can build a driver directly from the command line using the
Microsoft Build Engine (MSBuild). To build drivers for Windows Developer
Preview, Windows 7, and Windows Vista, use Visual Studio and MSBuild. To
build drivers for Windows XP, YOU must use the Windows 7 WDK and the
Windows Build Utility (Build.exe)."

Do you see that word that I've capitalized? To whom do you think
Microsoft is referring with the word "YOU" in that paragraph?


The person/people who "build a bridge" are those completing the design,
engineering and plans ... so it is with anything ... it is not "the guy
with the shovel."

Your analogy is so flawed I cannot even begin.


The construction workers ... not the people who have designed the system
and specs ... they simply assembly from the ms libraries ...

No. It is absolutely nothing like that.


Right, WHQL and the windows driver SDK is only a figment of software
engineers imaginations ... ROFLOL

Do you now what an SDK is? Seriously? A "software development kit"; a
set of tools to make developing software easier. And it's called the
"WDK", John: the "Windows Driver Kit"

Hardware manufacturers download the WDK...

...so that they can develop (write) drivers.

Period.


But, the windows driver sdk could be rewritten and non-windows certified
drivers created (indeed, I have used work-a-like driver SDKs, however,
they cannot be used in the creation of windows WHQL drivers) ... duh!
Linux is really only a rewrite of unix and was done to have a free OS ...

You do realize that there is an OS called "FreeBSD", right?


You are a fool who wants to split hairs and change the discussion off to
a tangent ... fool.

It's not a hair.

Microsoft doesn't write the drivers: the hardware manufacturers do.


Look, one thing I never did say, for certain, is that I would cure your
ignorance, this is a free country, believe what you may ... I am done
with your foolishness ... bye ...

Regards,
JS