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Howard Brazee December 27th 11 10:26 PM

Bradly Manning, true hero and patriot, lays it on the line to inform Americans of public servants crimes ...
 
On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 14:11:13 -0600, RD Sandman
wrote:

Howard Brazee wrote in
:

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:27:57 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
wrote:

How would you like to be a Fox employee, required to tell your boss's
lies when you didn't believe them?


Another fool who thinks Fox lies and all the others tell the truth.


Everyone lies, and everyone tells the truth. But Fox lies far more
than the other networks.


And your source for this amazing statistic (which you didn't present) is?



http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&n...1178l1.3.3l7l0

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

John Smith[_9_] December 28th 11 12:08 AM

Bradly Manning, true hero and patriot, lays it on the line toinform Americans of public servants crimes ...
 
On 12/27/2011 2:52 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
Howard wrote in
:

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 14:11:13 -0600, RD Sandman
wrote:

Howard wrote in
:

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:27:57 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
wrote:

How would you like to be a Fox employee, required to tell your
boss's lies when you didn't believe them?


Another fool who thinks Fox lies and all the others tell the truth.

Everyone lies, and everyone tells the truth. But Fox lies far more
than the other networks.

And your source for this amazing statistic (which you didn't present)
is?



http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&n...which+network+
news+lies+the+most%3F&oq=which+network+news+lies+t he+most%3F&aq=f&aqi=&
aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=224048l230931l0l231162l33l32l0 l25l25l0l235l1178l1.3
.3l7l0


Found a lot of them on politifact.com and factcheck.org but the majority
of them are folks like Gingrich, Howard Dean, etc.. making comments while
on Fox. I didn't see that many from the Fox newscasters themselves but
did see quite a few from the pundits like O'Reilly, Hannity, Rachel
Maddow, Keith Olbermann, etc..


If you are attempting to get actual truth and facts from main scream
news, which is owned by the rich-elite-corporate-America, you are just
asking the fox how the chickens are doing ... you know the answer before
you ask.

Regards,
JS


RHF December 28th 11 01:20 AM

Bradly Manning, true hero and patriot, lays it on the line toinform Americans of public servants crimes ...
 
On Dec 27, 2:42*pm, RD Sandman
wrote:
Howard Brazee wrote :









On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 14:05:37 -0600, "SaPeIsMa"
wrote:


Everyone lies, and everyone tells the truth. * But Fox lies far more
than the other networks.


LOL
You mean like using explosives to "assist" alleged fuel tank
explosions Or how about posting documents known to be false but still
good enough to smear a President ?


But go ahead and give us the data to support your claim about alleged
Fox Lies...
* *Take as many screens as you need.


Some sites such ashttp://mediamatters.org/*that list Fox's lies are
of a liberal bent, so I expect you to disregard them. * Note that it
has a category for Fox news.


You think the Huggington Post is conservative? *;)

Others appear to be equal opportunity fact checkers such as
http://www.factcheck.org/. * It has a search engine where you can
enter "fox news" or "NPR" or "NBC". * *As I said, everyone lies, and
this site will find lies from all of the network. * But it doesn't
take long to find which have the biggest whoppers.


Take your time. * *This unbiased source does a better job than
anything I could do.


I have seen factcheck and Politifact. *In essence they are both honest
but they only look up what they are asked about. *If no one asks about
something on CBS, for example, neither one of them will research it.

Or Google "Fox News Lies". * Go to the video page, and you will find
most of the links have actual Fox news video. * Admittedly, such a
Google doesn't filter out articles from the left.


Take your time. * Going to the source works better than trusting
anybody on this forum.


That is true.

--
Sleep well, Tonight....

RD, The Sandman


- If law school is so hard to get through......
- why are there so many lawyers?

Used to be more Lawyers in the SF Bay Area
then all of China [PRC] -circa- 1970s

RHF December 28th 11 01:51 AM

Bradly Manning, true hero and patriot, lays it on the line toinform Americans of public servants crimes ...
 
On Dec 27, 12:06*pm, "SaPeIsMa" wrote:
"Howard Brazee" wrote in message

...









On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:07:07 -0600, "SaPeIsMa"
wrote:


How would you like to be a Fox employee, required to tell your boss's
lies when you didn't believe them?


Feel free to provide us with examples of a "a Fox employee, required to
tell
your boss's lies"
Don't forget to name the employees and their respective bosses, and the
specific lies they were require to tell...
* *Take as many screens as you need


I'm assuming that everybody who works for Fox doesn't believe Fox's
lies. * *That is based upon seeing people work for bosses in private
industry without agreeing with them. * *But, it is an assumption.


- You're also assuming that Fox lies in
- the first place and forces people to
- tell lies...
- Well, you know what they say about people
- who assume that their assumptions are true
- without any supporting evidence...

Liberal Lies : Liberal Liars : Democrat Liars
CBS News + 60 Minutes + Dan Rather
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Rat...lian_documents
-can-i-get-a-witness...- ~ RHF
http://www.ratherbiased.com/compare.htm

Gray Guest December 28th 11 04:47 AM

Bradly Manning, true hero and patriot, lays it on the line to inform Americans of public servants crimes ...
 
Howard Brazee wrote in
:

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 14:05:37 -0600, "SaPeIsMa"
wrote:

Everyone lies, and everyone tells the truth. But Fox lies far more
than the other networks.


LOL
You mean like using explosives to "assist" alleged fuel tank explosions
Or how about posting documents known to be false but still good enough to
smear a President ?

But go ahead and give us the data to support your claim about alleged Fox
Lies...
Take as many screens as you need.


Some sites such as http://mediamatters.org/ that list Fox's lies are
of a liberal bent, so I expect you to disregard them. Note that it
has a category for Fox news.


Media Matters has honesty issues going back many uyears, bucko.

Others appear to be equal opportunity fact checkers such as
http://www.factcheck.org/. It has a search engine where you can
enter "fox news" or "NPR" or "NBC". As I said, everyone lies, and
this site will find lies from all of the network. But it doesn't
take long to find which have the biggest whoppers.


Would that be the factchefck that is being sued over it's tax exempt status
or the one that says Harry Reid is full of ****?

Take your time. This unbiased source does a better job than
anything I could do.


Unbiased my ass.

Or Google "Fox News Lies". Go to the video page, and you will find
most of the links have actual Fox news video. Admittedly, such a
Google doesn't filter out articles from the left.


So many of you morons have made the claim, no **** that there are a lot of
hits.

Quantity does not make quality.

Take your time. Going to the source works better than trusting
anybody on this forum.


Besides the Democrats are lieing trash and most of the media covers for
them,. Unless you can admit that, you are useless as a source.

--
Words of wisdom

What does not kill you... probably didn't cause enough tissue damage.

Gray Guest December 28th 11 04:48 AM

Bradly Manning, true hero and patriot, lays it on the line to inform Americans of public servants crimes ...
 
Howard Brazee wrote in
:

Everyone lies, and everyone tells the truth. But Fox lies far more
than the other networks.


And your proof of that is...?

--
Words of wisdom

What does not kill you... probably didn't cause enough tissue damage.

Howard Brazee December 28th 11 02:41 PM

Bradly Manning, true zero and patriot, lays it on the line to inform Americans of public servants crimes ...
 
On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 07:43:43 GMT, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
wrote:

What has America Become?

If we lie to the Congress, it's a felony, and if the
congress lies to us its just politics...


The king has always made the rules. And the king defines treason as
the most important crime - while he betrays his people for his own
benefit.

If the state worked for the people, there would be no secrets except
for those needed in a legal war.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

RD Sandman[_2_] December 28th 11 06:16 PM

Bradly Manning, true hero and patriot, lays it on the line to inform Americans of public servants crimes ...
 
John Smith wrote in :

On 12/27/2011 2:52 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
Howard wrote in
:

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 14:11:13 -0600, RD Sandman
wrote:

Howard wrote in
:

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:27:57 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
wrote:

How would you like to be a Fox employee, required to tell your
boss's lies when you didn't believe them?


Another fool who thinks Fox lies and all the others tell the
truth.

Everyone lies, and everyone tells the truth. But Fox lies far
more than the other networks.

And your source for this amazing statistic (which you didn't
present) is?


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&n...q=which+networ
k+
news+lies+the+most%3F&oq=which+network+news+lies+t he+most%3F&aq=f&aqi
=&
aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=224048l230931l0l231162l33l32l0 l25l25l0l235l1178l1
.3 .3l7l0


Found a lot of them on politifact.com and factcheck.org but the
majority of them are folks like Gingrich, Howard Dean, etc.. making
comments while on Fox. I didn't see that many from the Fox
newscasters themselves but did see quite a few from the pundits like
O'Reilly, Hannity, Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann, etc..


If you are attempting to get actual truth and facts from main scream
news, which is owned by the rich-elite-corporate-America, you are just
asking the fox how the chickens are doing ... you know the answer
before you ask.

Regards,
JS



I have more faith and less demogoggery than you do.

--
Sleep well, Tonight....

RD, The Sandman

If law school is so hard to get through......why are there so many
lawyers?

John Smith[_9_] December 28th 11 07:57 PM

Bradly Manning, true hero and patriot, lays it on the line toinform Americans of public servants crimes ...
 
On 12/28/2011 10:16 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
John wrote in :

On 12/27/2011 2:52 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
Howard wrote in
:

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 14:11:13 -0600, RD Sandman
wrote:

Howard wrote in
:

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:27:57 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
wrote:

How would you like to be a Fox employee, required to tell your
boss's lies when you didn't believe them?


Another fool who thinks Fox lies and all the others tell the
truth.

Everyone lies, and everyone tells the truth. But Fox lies far
more than the other networks.

And your source for this amazing statistic (which you didn't
present) is?


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&n...q=which+networ
k+
news+lies+the+most%3F&oq=which+network+news+lies+t he+most%3F&aq=f&aqi
=&
aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=224048l230931l0l231162l33l32l0 l25l25l0l235l1178l1
.3 .3l7l0


Found a lot of them on politifact.com and factcheck.org but the
majority of them are folks like Gingrich, Howard Dean, etc.. making
comments while on Fox. I didn't see that many from the Fox
newscasters themselves but did see quite a few from the pundits like
O'Reilly, Hannity, Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann, etc..


If you are attempting to get actual truth and facts from main scream
news, which is owned by the rich-elite-corporate-America, you are just
asking the fox how the chickens are doing ... you know the answer
before you ask.

Regards,
JS



I have more faith and less demogoggery than you do.


What you have is the belief some cares about what you do ... and that is
about it ... roflol

Regards,
JS


RD Sandman[_2_] December 28th 11 09:17 PM

Bradly Manning, true hero and patriot, lays it on the line to inform Americans of public servants crimes ...
 
John Smith wrote in :

On 12/28/2011 10:16 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
John wrote in news:jddmme$3dj$1@dont-

email.me:

On 12/27/2011 2:52 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
Howard wrote in
:

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 14:11:13 -0600, RD Sandman
wrote:

Howard wrote in
:

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:27:57 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
wrote:

How would you like to be a Fox employee, required to tell your
boss's lies when you didn't believe them?


Another fool who thinks Fox lies and all the others tell the
truth.

Everyone lies, and everyone tells the truth. But Fox lies far
more than the other networks.

And your source for this amazing statistic (which you didn't
present) is?


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1

&tbm=vid&q=which+networ
k+
news+lies+the+most%3F&oq=which+network+news+lies+t he+most%

3F&aq=f&aqi
=&
aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=

224048l230931l0l231162l33l32l0l25l25l0l235l1178l1
.3 .3l7l0


Found a lot of them on politifact.com and factcheck.org but the
majority of them are folks like Gingrich, Howard Dean, etc.. making
comments while on Fox. I didn't see that many from the Fox
newscasters themselves but did see quite a few from the pundits like
O'Reilly, Hannity, Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann, etc..


If you are attempting to get actual truth and facts from main scream
news, which is owned by the rich-elite-corporate-America, you are

just
asking the fox how the chickens are doing ... you know the answer
before you ask.

Regards,
JS



I have more faith and less demogoggery than you do.


What you have is the belief some cares about what you do ... and that

is
about it ... roflol


Interesting......I do have some who care about me and what I do. You
should (I hope) be so lucky.


--
Sleep well, Tonight....

RD, The Sandman

If law school is so hard to get through......why are there so many
lawyers?

John Smith[_9_] December 29th 11 12:25 AM

Bradly Manning, true hero and patriot, lays it on the line toinform Americans of public servants crimes ...
 
On 12/28/2011 1:17 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
John wrote in :

On 12/28/2011 10:16 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
John wrote in news:jddmme$3dj$1@dont-

email.me:

On 12/27/2011 2:52 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
Howard wrote in
:

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 14:11:13 -0600, RD Sandman
wrote:

Howard wrote in
:

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:27:57 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
wrote:

How would you like to be a Fox employee, required to tell your
boss's lies when you didn't believe them?


Another fool who thinks Fox lies and all the others tell the
truth.

Everyone lies, and everyone tells the truth. But Fox lies far
more than the other networks.

And your source for this amazing statistic (which you didn't
present) is?


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1

&tbm=vid&q=which+networ
k+
news+lies+the+most%3F&oq=which+network+news+lies+t he+most%

3F&aq=f&aqi
=&
aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=

224048l230931l0l231162l33l32l0l25l25l0l235l1178l1
.3 .3l7l0


Found a lot of them on politifact.com and factcheck.org but the
majority of them are folks like Gingrich, Howard Dean, etc.. making
comments while on Fox. I didn't see that many from the Fox
newscasters themselves but did see quite a few from the pundits like
O'Reilly, Hannity, Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann, etc..


If you are attempting to get actual truth and facts from main scream
news, which is owned by the rich-elite-corporate-America, you are

just
asking the fox how the chickens are doing ... you know the answer
before you ask.

Regards,
JS



I have more faith and less demogoggery than you do.


What you have is the belief some cares about what you do ... and that

is
about it ... roflol


Interesting......I do have some who care about me and what I do. You
should (I hope) be so lucky.



Amazing, I keep hearing such stories, and it does explain the poor
judgement and inability of many to recognize morons ... still, watching
morons flock around imbeciles always sets ones mind back.

Do they ever recommend therapy, or seem a bit too "consoling?" There
may be a clue there, yanno'?

Regards,
JS



BAR December 29th 11 01:28 AM

Bradly Manning, true zero and patriot, lays it on the line to inform Americans of public servants crimes ...
 
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 07:43:43 GMT, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
wrote:

What has America Become?

If we lie to the Congress, it's a felony, and if the
congress lies to us its just politics...


The king has always made the rules. And the king defines treason as
the most important crime - while he betrays his people for his own
benefit.

If the state worked for the people, there would be no secrets except
for those needed in a legal war.


?Well, if you want to have this legal conversation, it all has to do
with your state of mind and whether or not you had the requisite intent
to come up with something that would be considered perjury or a lie. The
information that was provided by the February 4th letter was gleaned by
the people who drafted the letter after they interacted with people who
they thought were in the best position to have the information.?

-- Eric Holder, Attorney General of the US

Joe from Kokomo[_2_] December 29th 11 01:09 PM

Bradly Manning, true zero and patriot, lays it on the line toinform Americans of public servants crimes ...
 
On 12/29/2011 12:19 AM, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE wrote:

Killer Klowns from Outer Space...


Killer Klowns?

Sounds like you're talking about the Repub presidential candidates --
with the exception of Huntsman, the only one of the lot that seems to
have his head screwed on straight.


Gray Guest December 31st 11 05:49 PM

Bradly Manning, true zero and patriot, lays it on the line to inform Americans of public servants crimes ...
 
Joe from Kokomo wrote in :

On 12/29/2011 12:19 AM, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE wrote:

Killer Klowns from Outer Space...


Killer Klowns?

Sounds like you're talking about the Repub presidential candidates --
with the exception of Huntsman, the only one of the lot that seems to
have his head screwed on straight.



And the biggest RINO in the bunch. Which tells us all we need to know about
you.

--
Words of wisdom

What does not kill you... probably didn't cause enough tissue damage.

Joe from Kokomo[_2_] December 31st 11 10:42 PM

Bradly Manning, true zero and patriot, lays it on the line toinform Americans of public servants crimes ...
 

Joe from wrote in :

On 12/29/2011 12:19 AM, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE wrote:

Killer Klowns from Outer Space...


Killer Klowns?

Sounds like you're talking about the Repub presidential candidates --
with the exception of Huntsman, the only one of the lot that seems to
have his head screwed on straight.


On 12/31/2011 12:49 PM, Gray Guest wrote:

And the biggest RINO in the bunch. Which tells us all we need to know about
you.


....and all we need to know about YOU.

This seems to be quite typical of many right wingers today. If the Repub
candidate (or incumbent) is not mad-dog radical, you tar them with the
"RINO" brush.

Even for Republicans, what don't you understand about the word
"moderate"? In your book, can they even be moderate without being a RINO?



Howard Brazee December 31st 11 10:59 PM

Bradly Manning, true hero and patriot, lays it on the line to inform Americans of public servants crimes ...
 
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:34:27 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
wrote:

Not an answer to my question. In fact your response suggests that the
system is simply internally corrupt and Congress is abusing it's power, in
an institutional way.


Maybe that's simple. But are you implying that institutional
corruption does less harm than non-institutional corruption?

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

Gray Guest January 1st 12 08:44 AM

Bradly Manning, true hero and patriot, lays it on the line to inform Americans of public servants crimes ...
 
Howard Brazee wrote in
:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:34:27 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
wrote:

Not an answer to my question. In fact your response suggests that the
system is simply internally corrupt and Congress is abusing it's power,

in
an institutional way.


Maybe that's simple. But are you implying that institutional
corruption does less harm than non-institutional corruption?





Rule #1 You parorm
Listen varefulluy, stupid
--
Words of wisdom

What does not kill you... probably didn't cause enough tissue damage.

Gray Guest January 2nd 12 07:14 PM

Bradly Manning, true zero and patriot, lays it on the line to inform Americans of public servants crimes ...
 
Joe from Kokomo wrote in :


Joe from wrote in
:

On 12/29/2011 12:19 AM, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE wrote:

Killer Klowns from Outer Space...

Killer Klowns?

Sounds like you're talking about the Repub presidential candidates --
with the exception of Huntsman, the only one of the lot that seems to
have his head screwed on straight.


On 12/31/2011 12:49 PM, Gray Guest wrote:

And the biggest RINO in the bunch. Which tells us all we need to know
about you.


...and all we need to know about YOU.

This seems to be quite typical of many right wingers today. If the Repub
candidate (or incumbent) is not mad-dog radical, you tar them with the
"RINO" brush.

Even for Republicans, what don't you understand about the word
"moderate"? In your book, can they even be moderate without being a
RINO?



Moderates? Do you happen to remember 2 "moderates" that ran for President
recently, Dole and McCain, that got thoroughly smoked?

Or am I misremembering an historical fact?

--
Words of wisdom

What does not kill you... probably didn't cause enough tissue damage.


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