Putin and Snowden: July 4 thoughts
 

dave wrote:
The USA was established to secure the blessings of Liberty for the People.

You're one for pat answers aren't you? Let somebody else do the
thinking, then spit out their thoughts as if you've been gifted
with profound insight.

Look into how T. Jefferson of the flowing words was drafted into
writing the Declaration and you'll realize there were dozens, even
hundreds, of founding fathers, each with his own ideas as to the
basis of our revolution. Jefferson could just say it more
elegantly. The same applies to the phrasing of the Preamble of
the Constitution.

These are rallying cries, not reality.

As to whether Snowden needs to be prosecuted, there's little doubt
about it. He did us all a service, and the legislation that was the
basis for all this is and was an atrocity. But there were thousands
of ways for this information to leak out, especially by ordinary
citizens working for Google and Verizon and anywhere else a
Patriot Act or FISA order was directed, without a trusted employee
of our espionage agencies becoming a turncoat and delivering
documents he was entrusted with into foreign hands, and doing so
in ways designed to cause as much damage to American foreign policy
as possible.

Let him become a citizen of a tinpot dictatorship. That's where
he should be. And he should shiver in his boots at the thought
of coming anywhere near anyone with the wherewithal to whisk him
away and deliver him to Washington for prosecution.

Putin and Snowden: July 4 thoughts
 

On Thursday, July 11, 2013 2:06:22 AM UTC-5, George Cornelius wrote:
dave wrote:

The USA was established to secure the blessings of Liberty for the People.



You're one for pat answers aren't you? Let somebody else do the

thinking, then spit out their thoughts as if you've been gifted

with profound insight.



Look into how T. Jefferson of the flowing words was drafted into

writing the Declaration and you'll realize there were dozens, even

hundreds, of founding fathers, each with his own ideas as to the

basis of our revolution. Jefferson could just say it more

elegantly. The same applies to the phrasing of the Preamble of

the Constitution.



These are rallying cries, not reality.



As to whether Snowden needs to be prosecuted, there's little doubt

about it. He did us all a service, and the legislation that was the

basis for all this is and was an atrocity. But there were thousands

of ways for this information to leak out, especially by ordinary

citizens working for Google and Verizon and anywhere else a

Patriot Act or FISA order was directed, without a trusted employee

of our espionage agencies becoming a turncoat and delivering

documents he was entrusted with into foreign hands, and doing so

in ways designed to cause as much damage to American foreign policy

as possible.



Let him become a citizen of a tinpot dictatorship. That's where

he should be. And he should shiver in his boots at the thought

of coming anywhere near anyone with the wherewithal to whisk him

away and deliver him to Washington for prosecution.

Google,,, Living in Venezuela

Putin and Snowden: July 4 thoughts
 

On 7/11/2013 3:06 AM, George Cornelius wrote:
[...]

As to whether Snowden needs to be prosecuted, there's little doubt
about it. He did us all a service, and the legislation that was the
basis for all this is and was an atrocity.
[...]
Let him become a citizen of a tinpot dictatorship. That's where
he should be. And he should shiver in his boots at the thought
of coming anywhere near anyone with the wherewithal to whisk him
away and deliver him to Washington for prosecution.



Why should we be loyal to those who rule us through atrocities? We
should not.

One day the Snowdens of this world will have the power to arrest and
punish the monsters who illegally rule us from Washington. And I
hope it will be exemplary punishment indeed.

With all good wishes,


Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://nationalvanguard.org/
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/

Putin and Snowden: July 4 thoughts
 

Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

On 7/11/2013 3:06 AM, George Cornelius wrote:
[...]

As to whether Snowden needs to be prosecuted, there's little doubt
about it. He did us all a service, and the legislation that was the
basis for all this is and was an atrocity.
[...]
Let him become a citizen of a tinpot dictatorship. That's where
he should be. And he should shiver in his boots at the thought
of coming anywhere near anyone with the wherewithal to whisk him
away and deliver him to Washington for prosecution.


Why should we be loyal to those who rule us through atrocities? We
should not.

One day the Snowdens of this world will have the power to arrest and
punish the monsters who illegally rule us from Washington. And I
hope it will be exemplary punishment indeed.

He'd probably arrest you first!

Putin and Snowden: July 4 thoughts
 

On 7/11/13 10:26 , Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

One day the Snowdens of this world will have the power to arrest and
punish the monsters who illegally rule us from Washington.



Not likely. The Snowdens of the world do not wish power. They don't
know how to manage power. They wish to undermine power. If they should
topple Washington, there will be politically adept individuals with a
hunger for power, who will take the place of those deposed. But it will
not be the Snowdens of the world. Regardless of ideology, power is first
about power. All other priorities are the means to that end.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

Putin and Snowden: July 4 thoughts
 

On 7/11/13 16:20 , Hils wrote:
On 11/07/13 16:26, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
Why should we be loyal to those who rule us through atrocities? We
should not.

One day the Snowdens of this world will have the power to arrest and
punish the monsters who illegally rule us from Washington. And I hope it
will be exemplary punishment indeed.

The latest:

"Microsoft has collaborated closely with US intelligence services to
allow users' communications to be intercepted, including helping the
National Security Agency to circumvent the company's own encryption,
according to top-secret documents obtained by the Guardian."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...tion-user-data




You can't tell me you're surprised.

Putin and Snowden: July 4 thoughts
 

On Friday, July 12, 2013 12:00:17 AM UTC-4, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 7/11/13 16:20 , Hils wrote:

On 11/07/13 16:26, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

Why should we be loyal to those who rule us through atrocities? We

should not.



One day the Snowdens of this world will have the power to arrest and

punish the monsters who illegally rule us from Washington. And I hope it

will be exemplary punishment indeed.



The latest:



"Microsoft has collaborated closely with US intelligence services to

allow users' communications to be intercepted, including helping the

National Security Agency to circumvent the company's own encryption,

according to top-secret documents obtained by the Guardian."



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...tion-user-data









You can't tell me you're surprised.

What about Google,Yahoo and others?

Putin and Snowden: July 4 thoughts
 

On 7/12/13 02:14 , wrote:
On Friday, July 12, 2013 12:00:17 AM UTC-4, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 7/11/13 16:20 , Hils wrote:

On 11/07/13 16:26, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

Why should we be loyal to those who rule us through atrocities? We

should not.



One day the Snowdens of this world will have the power to arrest and

punish the monsters who illegally rule us from Washington. And I hope it

will be exemplary punishment indeed.



The latest:



"Microsoft has collaborated closely with US intelligence services to

allow users' communications to be intercepted, including helping the

National Security Agency to circumvent the company's own encryption,

according to top-secret documents obtained by the Guardian."



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...tion-user-data









You can't tell me you're surprised.

What about Google,Yahoo and others?


Precisely my point.

Putin and Snowden: July 4 thoughts
 

On 07/11/2013 08:57 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 7/11/13 10:26 , Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

One day the Snowdens of this world will have the power to arrest and
punish the monsters who illegally rule us from Washington.



Not likely. The Snowdens of the world do not wish power. They don't
know how to manage power. They wish to undermine power. If they should
topple Washington, there will be politically adept individuals with a
hunger for power, who will take the place of those deposed. But it will
not be the Snowdens of the world. Regardless of ideology, power is first
about power. All other priorities are the means to that end.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.


Power absolutely corrupts. Power is bad.

Putin and Snowden: July 4 thoughts
 

On 07/12/2013 03:57 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 7/12/13 02:14 , wrote:
On Friday, July 12, 2013 12:00:17 AM UTC-4, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 7/11/13 16:20 , Hils wrote:

On 11/07/13 16:26, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

Why should we be loyal to those who rule us through atrocities? We

should not.



One day the Snowdens of this world will have the power to arrest and

punish the monsters who illegally rule us from Washington. And I
hope it

will be exemplary punishment indeed.



The latest:



"Microsoft has collaborated closely with US intelligence services to

allow users' communications to be intercepted, including helping the



You can't tell me you're surprised.

What about Google,Yahoo and others?


Precisely my point.

I bet you don't even stop buying products from these traitors. I quit
using Microsoft junk back in the double naughts when I first discovered
Mr. Softie's back door. Which side are you on, Peter? The fascists or
the freemen?

Putin and Snowden: July 4 thoughts
 

On Friday, July 12, 2013 7:02:39 AM UTC-5, dave wrote:
On 07/12/2013 03:57 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

On 7/12/13 02:14 , wrote:

On Friday, July 12, 2013 12:00:17 AM UTC-4, D. Peter Maus wrote:

On 7/11/13 16:20 , Hils wrote:



On 11/07/13 16:26, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:



Why should we be loyal to those who rule us through atrocities? We



should not.







One day the Snowdens of this world will have the power to arrest and



punish the monsters who illegally rule us from Washington. And I

hope it



will be exemplary punishment indeed.







The latest:







"Microsoft has collaborated closely with US intelligence services to



allow users' communications to be intercepted, including helping the







You can't tell me you're surprised.



What about Google,Yahoo and others?





Precisely my point.



I bet you don't even stop buying products from these traitors. I quit

using Microsoft junk back in the double naughts when I first discovered

Mr. Softie's back door. Which side are you on, Peter? The fascists or

the freemen?

Perhaps it is a 'snow job'?

Putin and Snowden: July 4 thoughts
 

On Friday, July 12, 2013 9:15:17 AM UTC-4, DhiaDuit wrote:
On Friday, July 12, 2013 7:02:39 AM UTC-5, dave wrote:

On 07/12/2013 03:57 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:



On 7/12/13 02:14 , wrote:



On Friday, July 12, 2013 12:00:17 AM UTC-4, D. Peter Maus wrote:



On 7/11/13 16:20 , Hils wrote:







On 11/07/13 16:26, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:







Why should we be loyal to those who rule us through atrocities? We







should not.















One day the Snowdens of this world will have the power to arrest and







punish the monsters who illegally rule us from Washington. And I



hope it







will be exemplary punishment indeed.















The latest:















"Microsoft has collaborated closely with US intelligence services to







allow users' communications to be intercepted, including helping the















You can't tell me you're surprised.







What about Google,Yahoo and others?











Precisely my point.







I bet you don't even stop buying products from these traitors. I quit



using Microsoft junk back in the double naughts when I first discovered



Mr. Softie's back door. Which side are you on, Peter? The fascists or



the freemen?



Perhaps it is a 'snow job'?

More like a 'Snow-den' the shmuck.

Putin and Snowden: July 4 thoughts
 

On 7/12/13 04:25 , Hils wrote:

You can't tell me you're surprised.

Not at all, but having real evidence in the public domain means we are
discussing truths rather than only suspicions (and it's rather fun
seeing spooks and politicians running around like ants whose nest has
been uncovered).


It's not like this is a new revelation. Back doors to MS software
were divulged in interviews with Bill Gates dating back to the very
early days of Windows. The revelation that the authorities had back door
access to MS products was revealed at the same time that PGP was
revealed to given the FBI a back door key to their encryption.

Google and Yahoo are no better. Google has an office in the White
House, for heaven's sake.

When Windows 3.1 was becoming the choice for windowing software, and
Win 95 was still on the drawing board. Gates, in an interview with
Charlie Rose said he envisioned a day when Windows would be incorporated
into our cars, our homes, our appliances, and connected to a central
server in the home. And once or twice a week, "with permission"
Microsoft would upload the data on the server, and send out notices that
the car needs an oil change, butter needs to be replenished in the
refrigerator, and the washer/dryer could be set for lower energy usage
for the loads being laundered. Even place orders automatically to refill
the fridge.

Think about that, for a minute. Redmond running your house. Your
life. We might as well be Binars.

"With Permission" would be the EULA that we've come to know and
love, that informs us that opening the package confers permission.

I haven't used MS software since. I've never used Internet Explorer.
And have used open source software for all my applications since Steve
Case cut the throat of Netscape. And while reading the Google TOS, very
early on, stopped using Google.

My work machines are running OSX, while my personal machines run
Linux, or Free, and Open BSD.

I root all my machines, best I can. I've rooted my iPhone. And I've
installed anti tracking software, where I can, when I find something
that works. And I limit my connectivity to matters where I cannot avoid it.

You're right. There is hard evidence that widespread surveillance of
the general population has been going on for years, and it's now been
released into the light.

And while we're discussing these truths, are we actually taking
actions to bring pressure to bear against those responsible? To effect
change?

The Romans had bread and circuses to mollify the population.

We have beer and the Karshashians.

Absent vigilance, and action, we will share the same fate.

If we haven't already.

Caligula was also a weak man with something to prove.

Putin and Snowden: July 4 thoughts
 

On 07/12/2013 04:49 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 7/12/13 04:25 , Hils wrote:

You can't tell me you're surprised.

Not at all, but having real evidence in the public domain means we are
discussing truths rather than only suspicions (and it's rather fun
seeing spooks and politicians running around like ants whose nest has
been uncovered).


It's not like this is a new revelation. Back doors to MS software
were divulged in interviews with Bill Gates dating back to the very
early days of Windows. The revelation that the authorities had back door
access to MS products was revealed at the same time that PGP was
revealed to given the FBI a back door key to their encryption.

Google and Yahoo are no better. Google has an office in the White
House, for heaven's sake.

When Windows 3.1 was becoming the choice for windowing software, and
Win 95 was still on the drawing board. Gates, in an interview with
Charlie Rose said he envisioned a day when Windows would be incorporated
into our cars, our homes, our appliances, and connected to a central
server in the home. And once or twice a week, "with permission"
Microsoft would upload the data on the server, and send out notices that
the car needs an oil change, butter needs to be replenished in the
refrigerator, and the washer/dryer could be set for lower energy usage
for the loads being laundered. Even place orders automatically to refill
the fridge.

Think about that, for a minute. Redmond running your house. Your
life. We might as well be Binars.

"With Permission" would be the EULA that we've come to know and
love, that informs us that opening the package confers permission.

I haven't used MS software since. I've never used Internet Explorer.
And have used open source software for all my applications since Steve
Case cut the throat of Netscape. And while reading the Google TOS, very
early on, stopped using Google.

My work machines are running OSX, while my personal machines run
Linux, or Free, and Open BSD.

I root all my machines, best I can. I've rooted my iPhone. And I've
installed anti tracking software, where I can, when I find something
that works. And I limit my connectivity to matters where I cannot avoid it.

You're right. There is hard evidence that widespread surveillance of
the general population has been going on for years, and it's now been
released into the light.

And while we're discussing these truths, are we actually taking
actions to bring pressure to bear against those responsible? To effect
change?

The Romans had bread and circuses to mollify the population.

We have beer and the Karshashians.

Absent vigilance, and action, we will share the same fate.

If we haven't already.

Caligula was also a weak man with something to prove.


The more absolute the power, the more corrupt the entity.

It's cool we have an issue that transcends the left:right cubbyholes.

Putin and Snowden: July 4 thoughts
 

On Friday, July 12, 2013 8:23:36 PM UTC-5, dave wrote:
On 07/12/2013 04:49 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

On 7/12/13 04:25 , Hils wrote:



You can't tell me you're surprised.



Not at all, but having real evidence in the public domain means we are

discussing truths rather than only suspicions (and it's rather fun

seeing spooks and politicians running around like ants whose nest has

been uncovered).





It's not like this is a new revelation. Back doors to MS software

were divulged in interviews with Bill Gates dating back to the very

early days of Windows. The revelation that the authorities had back door

access to MS products was revealed at the same time that PGP was

revealed to given the FBI a back door key to their encryption.



Google and Yahoo are no better. Google has an office in the White

House, for heaven's sake.



When Windows 3.1 was becoming the choice for windowing software, and

Win 95 was still on the drawing board. Gates, in an interview with

Charlie Rose said he envisioned a day when Windows would be incorporated

into our cars, our homes, our appliances, and connected to a central

server in the home. And once or twice a week, "with permission"

Microsoft would upload the data on the server, and send out notices that

the car needs an oil change, butter needs to be replenished in the

refrigerator, and the washer/dryer could be set for lower energy usage

for the loads being laundered. Even place orders automatically to refill

the fridge.



Think about that, for a minute. Redmond running your house. Your

life. We might as well be Binars.



"With Permission" would be the EULA that we've come to know and

love, that informs us that opening the package confers permission.



I haven't used MS software since. I've never used Internet Explorer..

And have used open source software for all my applications since Steve

Case cut the throat of Netscape. And while reading the Google TOS, very

early on, stopped using Google.



My work machines are running OSX, while my personal machines run

Linux, or Free, and Open BSD.



I root all my machines, best I can. I've rooted my iPhone. And I've

installed anti tracking software, where I can, when I find something

that works. And I limit my connectivity to matters where I cannot avoid it.



You're right. There is hard evidence that widespread surveillance of

the general population has been going on for years, and it's now been

released into the light.



And while we're discussing these truths, are we actually taking

actions to bring pressure to bear against those responsible? To effect

change?



The Romans had bread and circuses to mollify the population.



We have beer and the Karshashians.



Absent vigilance, and action, we will share the same fate.



If we haven't already.



Caligula was also a weak man with something to prove.





The more absolute the power, the more corrupt the entity.



It's cool we have an issue that transcends the left:right cubbyholes.

You reckon they (''they'') espied on me mowing my yard this morning? They (''They'') would have seen me cussin the crap out of my lawn mower, ergo last night when I removed the blade to sharpen it I had the lawnmower tilted at too much of an angle and oil ran into the cylinder and fouled the spark plug because the intake valve was open. I had a hell of a time gittin my lawn mower running.