dave wrote:
The USA was established to secure the blessings of Liberty for the People.

You're one for pat answers aren't you? Let somebody else do the
thinking, then spit out their thoughts as if you've been gifted
with profound insight.

Look into how T. Jefferson of the flowing words was drafted into
writing the Declaration and you'll realize there were dozens, even
hundreds, of founding fathers, each with his own ideas as to the
basis of our revolution. Jefferson could just say it more
elegantly. The same applies to the phrasing of the Preamble of
the Constitution.

These are rallying cries, not reality.

As to whether Snowden needs to be prosecuted, there's little doubt
about it. He did us all a service, and the legislation that was the
basis for all this is and was an atrocity. But there were thousands
of ways for this information to leak out, especially by ordinary
citizens working for Google and Verizon and anywhere else a
Patriot Act or FISA order was directed, without a trusted employee
of our espionage agencies becoming a turncoat and delivering
documents he was entrusted with into foreign hands, and doing so
in ways designed to cause as much damage to American foreign policy
as possible.

Let him become a citizen of a tinpot dictatorship. That's where
he should be. And he should shiver in his boots at the thought
of coming anywhere near anyone with the wherewithal to whisk him
away and deliver him to Washington for prosecution.

On Thursday, July 11, 2013 2:06:22 AM UTC-5, George Cornelius wrote:
dave wrote:

The USA was established to secure the blessings of Liberty for the People.



You're one for pat answers aren't you? Let somebody else do the

thinking, then spit out their thoughts as if you've been gifted

with profound insight.



Look into how T. Jefferson of the flowing words was drafted into

writing the Declaration and you'll realize there were dozens, even

hundreds, of founding fathers, each with his own ideas as to the

basis of our revolution. Jefferson could just say it more

elegantly. The same applies to the phrasing of the Preamble of

the Constitution.



These are rallying cries, not reality.



As to whether Snowden needs to be prosecuted, there's little doubt

about it. He did us all a service, and the legislation that was the

basis for all this is and was an atrocity. But there were thousands

of ways for this information to leak out, especially by ordinary

citizens working for Google and Verizon and anywhere else a

Patriot Act or FISA order was directed, without a trusted employee

of our espionage agencies becoming a turncoat and delivering

documents he was entrusted with into foreign hands, and doing so

in ways designed to cause as much damage to American foreign policy

as possible.



Let him become a citizen of a tinpot dictatorship. That's where

he should be. And he should shiver in his boots at the thought

of coming anywhere near anyone with the wherewithal to whisk him

away and deliver him to Washington for prosecution.

Google,,, Living in Venezuela

On 7/11/2013 3:06 AM, George Cornelius wrote:
[...]

As to whether Snowden needs to be prosecuted, there's little doubt
about it. He did us all a service, and the legislation that was the
basis for all this is and was an atrocity.
[...]
Let him become a citizen of a tinpot dictatorship. That's where
he should be. And he should shiver in his boots at the thought
of coming anywhere near anyone with the wherewithal to whisk him
away and deliver him to Washington for prosecution.



Why should we be loyal to those who rule us through atrocities? We
should not.

One day the Snowdens of this world will have the power to arrest and
punish the monsters who illegally rule us from Washington. And I
hope it will be exemplary punishment indeed.

With all good wishes,


Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://nationalvanguard.org/
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/

Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

On 7/11/2013 3:06 AM, George Cornelius wrote:
[...]

As to whether Snowden needs to be prosecuted, there's little doubt
about it. He did us all a service, and the legislation that was the
basis for all this is and was an atrocity.
[...]
Let him become a citizen of a tinpot dictatorship. That's where
he should be. And he should shiver in his boots at the thought
of coming anywhere near anyone with the wherewithal to whisk him
away and deliver him to Washington for prosecution.


Why should we be loyal to those who rule us through atrocities? We
should not.

One day the Snowdens of this world will have the power to arrest and
punish the monsters who illegally rule us from Washington. And I
hope it will be exemplary punishment indeed.

He'd probably arrest you first!

On 7/11/13 10:26 , Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

One day the Snowdens of this world will have the power to arrest and
punish the monsters who illegally rule us from Washington.



Not likely. The Snowdens of the world do not wish power. They don't
know how to manage power. They wish to undermine power. If they should
topple Washington, there will be politically adept individuals with a
hunger for power, who will take the place of those deposed. But it will
not be the Snowdens of the world. Regardless of ideology, power is first
about power. All other priorities are the means to that end.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

On 7/11/13 16:20 , Hils wrote:
On 11/07/13 16:26, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
Why should we be loyal to those who rule us through atrocities? We
should not.

One day the Snowdens of this world will have the power to arrest and
punish the monsters who illegally rule us from Washington. And I hope it
will be exemplary punishment indeed.

The latest:

"Microsoft has collaborated closely with US intelligence services to
allow users' communications to be intercepted, including helping the
National Security Agency to circumvent the company's own encryption,
according to top-secret documents obtained by the Guardian."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...tion-user-data




You can't tell me you're surprised.

On Friday, July 12, 2013 12:00:17 AM UTC-4, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 7/11/13 16:20 , Hils wrote:

On 11/07/13 16:26, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

Why should we be loyal to those who rule us through atrocities? We

should not.



One day the Snowdens of this world will have the power to arrest and

punish the monsters who illegally rule us from Washington. And I hope it

will be exemplary punishment indeed.



The latest:



"Microsoft has collaborated closely with US intelligence services to

allow users' communications to be intercepted, including helping the

National Security Agency to circumvent the company's own encryption,

according to top-secret documents obtained by the Guardian."



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...tion-user-data









You can't tell me you're surprised.

What about Google,Yahoo and others?

On 7/12/13 02:14 , wrote:
On Friday, July 12, 2013 12:00:17 AM UTC-4, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 7/11/13 16:20 , Hils wrote:

On 11/07/13 16:26, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

Why should we be loyal to those who rule us through atrocities? We

should not.



One day the Snowdens of this world will have the power to arrest and

punish the monsters who illegally rule us from Washington. And I hope it

will be exemplary punishment indeed.



The latest:



"Microsoft has collaborated closely with US intelligence services to

allow users' communications to be intercepted, including helping the

National Security Agency to circumvent the company's own encryption,

according to top-secret documents obtained by the Guardian."



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...tion-user-data









You can't tell me you're surprised.

What about Google,Yahoo and others?


Precisely my point.

On 07/11/2013 08:57 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 7/11/13 10:26 , Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

One day the Snowdens of this world will have the power to arrest and
punish the monsters who illegally rule us from Washington.



Not likely. The Snowdens of the world do not wish power. They don't
know how to manage power. They wish to undermine power. If they should
topple Washington, there will be politically adept individuals with a
hunger for power, who will take the place of those deposed. But it will
not be the Snowdens of the world. Regardless of ideology, power is first
about power. All other priorities are the means to that end.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.


Power absolutely corrupts. Power is bad.

On 07/12/2013 03:57 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 7/12/13 02:14 , wrote:
On Friday, July 12, 2013 12:00:17 AM UTC-4, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 7/11/13 16:20 , Hils wrote:

On 11/07/13 16:26, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

Why should we be loyal to those who rule us through atrocities? We

should not.



One day the Snowdens of this world will have the power to arrest and

punish the monsters who illegally rule us from Washington. And I
hope it

will be exemplary punishment indeed.



The latest:



"Microsoft has collaborated closely with US intelligence services to

allow users' communications to be intercepted, including helping the



You can't tell me you're surprised.

What about Google,Yahoo and others?


Precisely my point.

I bet you don't even stop buying products from these traitors. I quit
using Microsoft junk back in the double naughts when I first discovered
Mr. Softie's back door. Which side are you on, Peter? The fascists or
the freemen?