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August 4th 13, 03:21 AM
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On 2013-07-28 18:56:37 +0000, extra class said:
3. Gen Xers have not interest or desire in dyi projects Considering that we Gen Xers are responsible for everything from the Maker movement to creating affordable 3D printing machines, I think you're way off base here. |
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August 4th 13, 08:03 PM
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On Sat, 3 Aug 2013, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
On 2013-07-28 18:56:37 +0000, extra class said: 3. Gen Xers have not interest or desire in dyi projects Considering that we Gen Xers are responsible for everything from the Maker movement to creating affordable 3D printing machines, I think you're way off base here. The "Maker Movement" is hype, it rides on the people who've always been interested in building things. Since the magazine hasnt't been around a decade, there hasn't been enough time for many to start from point zero and get good enough by now, so it rests on the existing hobbyists. A 3D "printer" is interesting, but once the hype disappears, what's the point? I rarely think "I wish I could make an exact copy of that plastic piece". I have other ways to make pieces i need, or make do. The field is just about plastic now, so it's not like you can make something really signficiant. The notion of making a gun out of plastic, not only is that not going to stand up that well after much use, but one could always make some sort of gun out of bits and pieces, or so I gather. 3D printing is another dumbing down. Yes, it will be valuable to some, but once the masses get their hands on it, they will simply let other people create the parts, and it will just be a matter of "printing" them at their house. No skill required. And like I said, that's some of the hype of the maker movement, more people can follow instructions, but it doesn't raise them up. I've been going through old magazines, a local bookstore having found a stash of them. The skill level to build the projects was much higher than in "Make", but it was a whole wide field. "Build a two man sub for about $400" says an article in Popular Science from about 1968. YOu can't tell me the kids have invented something new when building things had such a large infrastructure decades ago. And it wasn't just Popular Science (and it's projects and tips), it was Popular Mechanics, Mechanix Illustrated, Popular Electronics, Radio Electronics, Electronics Illustrated, Elementary Electronics, Science and Mechanichs, endless annuals and semiannuals like that one I found a few years ago about prospecting for uranium and "Communciation WOrld" a quarterly that carried White's Radio Log forty years ago, QST, 73, CQ, Ham Radio and some glorified newsletters dedciated to niche amateur radio topics like RTTY and VHF. The astronomy magazines that often included projects about building telescopes or accessories. Woodworking magazines and model railroad magazines. The magazines were endless, and they all had projects you could learn from, projects you could build. Michael |
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August 4th 13, 10:06 PM
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On Sunday, August 4, 2013 2:03:43 PM UTC-5, Michael Black wrote:
On Sat, 3 Aug 2013, Oregonian Haruspex wrote: On 2013-07-28 18:56:37 +0000, extra class said: 3. Gen Xers have not interest or desire in dyi projects Considering that we Gen Xers are responsible for everything from the Maker movement to creating affordable 3D printing machines, I think you're way off base here. The "Maker Movement" is hype, it rides on the people who've always been interested in building things. Since the magazine hasnt't been around a decade, there hasn't been enough time for many to start from point zero and get good enough by now, so it rests on the existing hobbyists. A 3D "printer" is interesting, but once the hype disappears, what's the point? I rarely think "I wish I could make an exact copy of that plastic piece". I have other ways to make pieces i need, or make do. The field is just about plastic now, so it's not like you can make something really signficiant. The notion of making a gun out of plastic, not only is that not going to stand up that well after much use, but one could always make some sort of gun out of bits and pieces, or so I gather. 3D printing is another dumbing down. Yes, it will be valuable to some, but once the masses get their hands on it, they will simply let other people create the parts, and it will just be a matter of "printing" them at their house. No skill required. And like I said, that's some of the hype of the maker movement, more people can follow instructions, but it doesn't raise them up. I've been going through old magazines, a local bookstore having found a stash of them. The skill level to build the projects was much higher than in "Make", but it was a whole wide field. "Build a two man sub for about $400" says an article in Popular Science from about 1968. YOu can't tell me the kids have invented something new when building things had such a large infrastructure decades ago. And it wasn't just Popular Science (and it's projects and tips), it was Popular Mechanics, Mechanix Illustrated, Popular Electronics, Radio Electronics, Electronics Illustrated, Elementary Electronics, Science and Mechanichs, endless annuals and semiannuals like that one I found a few years ago about prospecting for uranium and "Communciation WOrld" a quarterly that carried White's Radio Log forty years ago, QST, 73, CQ, Ham Radio and some glorified newsletters dedciated to niche amateur radio topics like RTTY and VHF. The astronomy magazines that often included projects about building telescopes or accessories. Woodworking magazines and model railroad magazines. The magazines were endless, and they all had projects you could learn from, projects you could build. Michael A guy in New Zealand is using his 3D printer to build an Aston Martin car. |
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#4
August 4th 13, 10:22 PM
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DhiaDuit wrote: On Sunday, August 4, 2013 2:03:43 PM UTC-5, Michael Black wrote: On Sat, 3 Aug 2013, Oregonian Haruspex wrote: On 2013-07-28 18:56:37 +0000, extra class said: 3. Gen Xers have not interest or desire in dyi projects Considering that we Gen Xers are responsible for everything from the Maker movement to creating affordable 3D printing machines, I think you're way off base here. The "Maker Movement" is hype, it rides on the people who've always been interested in building things. Since the magazine hasnt't been around a decade, there hasn't been enough time for many to start from point zero and get good enough by now, so it rests on the existing hobbyists. A 3D "printer" is interesting, but once the hype disappears, what's the point? I rarely think "I wish I could make an exact copy of that plastic piece". I have other ways to make pieces i need, or make do. The field is just about plastic now, so it's not like you can make something really signficiant. The notion of making a gun out of plastic, not only is that not going to stand up that well after much use, but one could always make some sort of gun out of bits and pieces, or so I gather. 3D printing is another dumbing down. Yes, it will be valuable to some, but once the masses get their hands on it, they will simply let other people create the parts, and it will just be a matter of "printing" them at their house. No skill required. And like I said, that's some of the hype of the maker movement, more people can follow instructions, but it doesn't raise them up. I've been going through old magazines, a local bookstore having found a stash of them. The skill level to build the projects was much higher than in "Make", but it was a whole wide field. "Build a two man sub for about $400" says an article in Popular Science from about 1968. YOu can't tell me the kids have invented something new when building things had such a large infrastructure decades ago. And it wasn't just Popular Science (and it's projects and tips), it was Popular Mechanics, Mechanix Illustrated, Popular Electronics, Radio Electronics, Electronics Illustrated, Elementary Electronics, Science and Mechanichs, endless annuals and semiannuals like that one I found a few years ago about prospecting for uranium and "Communciation WOrld" a quarterly that carried White's Radio Log forty years ago, QST, 73, CQ, Ham Radio and some glorified newsletters dedciated to niche amateur radio topics like RTTY and VHF. The astronomy magazines that often included projects about building telescopes or accessories. Woodworking magazines and model railroad magazines. The magazines were endless, and they all had projects you could learn from, projects you could build. Michael A guy in New Zealand is using his 3D printer to build an Aston Martin car. A Revell model on steroids? |
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#5
August 5th 13, 03:20 PM
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On 08/04/2013 12:03 PM, Michael Black wrote:
On Sat, 3 Aug 2013, Oregonian Haruspex wrote: On 2013-07-28 18:56:37 +0000, extra class said: 3. Gen Xers have not interest or desire in dyi projects Considering that we Gen Xers are responsible for everything from the Maker movement to creating affordable 3D printing machines, I think you're way off base here. The "Maker Movement" is hype, it rides on the people who've always been interested in building things. Since the magazine hasnt't been around a decade, there hasn't been enough time for many to start from point zero and get good enough by now, so it rests on the existing hobbyists. A 3D "printer" is interesting, but once the hype disappears, what's the point? I rarely think "I wish I could make an exact copy of that plastic piece". I have other ways to make pieces i need, or make do. The field is just about plastic now, so it's not like you can make something really signficiant. The notion of making a gun out of plastic, not only is that not going to stand up that well after much use, but one could always make some sort of gun out of bits and pieces, or so I gather. 3D printing is another dumbing down. Yes, it will be valuable to some, but once the masses get their hands on it, they will simply let other people create the parts, and it will just be a matter of "printing" them at their house. No skill required. And like I said, that's some of the hype of the maker movement, more people can follow instructions, but it doesn't raise them up. I've been going through old magazines, a local bookstore having found a stash of them. The skill level to build the projects was much higher than in "Make", but it was a whole wide field. "Build a two man sub for about $400" says an article in Popular Science from about 1968. YOu can't tell me the kids have invented something new when building things had such a large infrastructure decades ago. And it wasn't just Popular Science (and it's projects and tips), it was Popular Mechanics, Mechanix Illustrated, Popular Electronics, Radio Electronics, Electronics Illustrated, Elementary Electronics, Science and Mechanichs, endless annuals and semiannuals like that one I found a few years ago about prospecting for uranium and "Communciation WOrld" a quarterly that carried White's Radio Log forty years ago, QST, 73, CQ, Ham Radio and some glorified newsletters dedciated to niche amateur radio topics like RTTY and VHF. The astronomy magazines that often included projects about building telescopes or accessories. Woodworking magazines and model railroad magazines. The magazines were endless, and they all had projects you could learn from, projects you could build. Michael Get off my lawn! |
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#6
August 5th 13, 06:04 AM
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"Hils" wrote in message ... People generally have become users not makers. I sometimes feel an anachronism. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chin up. We anachronisms will be able to pick up the pieces when it all (inevitably) comes tumbling down. |
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August 5th 13, 03:14 PM
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"Hils" wrote in message ... I sometimes feel an anachronism. The last time I did, I got my face slapped. |
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August 5th 13, 03:23 PM
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On 08/05/2013 07:14 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
"Hils" wrote in message ... I sometimes feel an anachronism. The last time I did, I got my face slapped. He made a funny! |
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August 5th 13, 06:37 AM
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On Sunday, August 4, 2013 5:45:44 PM UTC-4, Hils wrote:
On 2013-08-04 20:03, Michael Black wrote: And like I said, that's some of the hype of the maker movement, more people can follow instructions, but it doesn't raise them up. I've been going through old magazines, a local bookstore having found a stash of them. The skill level to build the projects was much higher than in "Make", but it was a whole wide field. "Build a two man sub for about $400" says an article in Popular Science from about 1968. YOu can't tell me the kids have invented something new when building things had such a large infrastructure decades ago. My father had been a mechanical engineer during WW2, and my older brother's first jobs had been in engineering and later aerospace. My father started teaching me maths and engineering when I was about four, but I think he became rather disillusioned when I started school and they insisted on teaching me their curriculum at their speed. Still, between them they'd taught me to solder before I left primary school, and I'd been repairing radio receivers for years before I eventually got an amateur radio licence. My uncles seemed to be forever discussing engines and how to get the best performance from them. My brother bought Practical Wireless and Practical Electronics, and occasionally Short Wave Magazine and Wireless World, I remember one PE project that stuck in my mind was a home-made EEG. The young people closest to me now have piano lessons, violin lessons, ballet, yoga, rugby and cricket lessons, but they're learning no practical skills because their parents (about the same age as me) have almost none themselves. My mother's sewing machine rarely seemed to stop working; their mother buys everything off-the-shelf and replaces rather than repairs. Their father collects electric guitars, but he pays a technician to modify and repair them and refuses all my attempts to teach him basic electronics and soldering. When his electronic car key stopped working recently he paid £200 for a replacement. People generally have become users not makers. I sometimes feel an anachronism. This is probably the biggest problem in most advanced countries today- young people cannot do /make anything . Very disturbing, to say the least... |
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August 5th 13, 07:09 AM
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