Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:

Ham law is an absolute joke.Law banning people from using the airwaves
legally like if using a transceiver is using a rifle.It is also creating
a form of elitism over who uses the radiowaves because most hams in my
country are a bunch of snobby oldies who think that they own the amateur
bands and essentially jam and prohibit anyone else from using it.Their
clique is a retarded form of elitism and exclusionism against people who
are also genuinely interested in the hobby yet are unable to get a
licence for various reasons(mostly the exam date being a completely
unsuitable day for people under 25 since the university entrance exams
are close-by).Every time I have attempted to speak politely without a
callsign I have been welcomed with curse phrases.Even if I explain the
situation, the arrogant retards who call themselves licenced ham
operators keep on playing around till I get ****ed off.Wow.How inclusive
and "brotherly" they are.Just wow.Maybe they are brainwashed into
believing that nobody unlicenced is good and that we are all evil trolls
who pollute the airwaves with their ****.
I really wish one day for a popular ham radio revolution to take place
where all unlicenced hams will take revenge on the asshole's behaviour
by jamming the **** out of them continuously.
I encourage every unlicenced ham out there to jam the **** out of any
licenced ham as a form of retaliation.
Only this way these retards will learn how to behave.

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Enigma 2000 is an absolute joke. It is also creating
a form of elitism because their clique is a retarded form of elitism and
exclusionism against people who
are also genuinely interested in the hobby. The arrogant retards who call
themselves Enigma 2000
keep on playing around till I get ****ed off. Wow. How inclusive
and "brotherly" they are. Just wow. Maybe they are brainwashed into
believing that nobody is good and that we are all evil trolls
who pollute with their ****.
I really wish one day for an Enigma 2000 revolution to take place
Only this way these retards will learn how to behave.


"analogdial" wrote in message news
Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:

Ham law is an absolute joke.Law banning people from using the airwaves
legally like if using a transceiver is using a rifle.It is also creating
a form of elitism over who uses the radiowaves because most hams in my
country are a bunch of snobby oldies who think that they own the amateur
bands and essentially jam and prohibit anyone else from using it.Their
clique is a retarded form of elitism and exclusionism against people who
are also genuinely interested in the hobby yet are unable to get a
licence for various reasons(mostly the exam date being a completely
unsuitable day for people under 25 since the university entrance exams
are close-by).Every time I have attempted to speak politely without a
callsign I have been welcomed with curse phrases.Even if I explain the
situation, the arrogant retards who call themselves licenced ham
operators keep on playing around till I get ****ed off.Wow.How inclusive
and "brotherly" they are.Just wow.Maybe they are brainwashed into
believing that nobody unlicenced is good and that we are all evil trolls
who pollute the airwaves with their ****.
I really wish one day for a popular ham radio revolution to take place
where all unlicenced hams will take revenge on the asshole's behaviour
by jamming the **** out of them continuously.
I encourage every unlicenced ham out there to jam the **** out of any
licenced ham as a form of retaliation.
Only this way these retards will learn how to behave.

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most wonderful human beings you'll ever know in your life.

On Sat, 20 May 2017, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:

Ham law is an absolute joke.Law banning people from using the airwaves
legally like if using a transceiver is using a rifle.It is also creating a
form of elitism over who uses the radiowaves because most hams in my country
are a bunch of snobby oldies who think that they own the amateur bands and
essentially jam and prohibit anyone else from using it.Their clique is a
retarded form of elitism and exclusionism against people who are also
genuinely interested in the hobby yet are unable to get a licence for various
reasons(mostly the exam date being a completely unsuitable day for people

I think you flunked history when they were talking about the history of
radio.

They knew about radio for some time, but it was a laboratory curiosity.
Nobody had any plans for it, and it wasn't useful as they knew it.

But then Marconi, who didn't invent radio but helped to make it practical,
started playing with it, he had no background in technical matters. And
he spanned the Atlantic in December of 1901, proving that radio could be
used for distant communication.

That caused some interest in radio, including hobbyists. It was up for
grabs, so people played with the technology, not that it was complicated
back then. I gather that even newspapers would show how to build those
primitive radios. And there was no regulation.

Maybe the first set of rules related to ships needing to carry radio,
though now I can't remember. But the Titanic did carry a radio, and the
aftermath of that sinking was that in the US all radio stations be
licensed. I imagine other countries implemented similar rules soon after.

But initially it was just a license. I dont' think there was a technical
requirement, but that did arrive at some point. Radio was contained in a
very small slice of spectrum, below the current AM broadcast band, since
that was seen as the prime frequencies. So everyone overlapped, and there
were problems, causing more regulations about operation.

I'm not sure without looking when an actual exam for ham radio came into
effect. WWI caused most radio activity, what there was, to be shut down,
so things were well along at that point, though of course the military
made use of the still primitive radio.

After WWI, there was reluctance to let loose the spectrum again, but
people campaigned for it, so it didn't remain the domain of the military.
And amateur radio got spectrum, though they were banished to "useless"
frequencies, above the current AM broadcast band.

And then further evolution. People saw that there were more people who
could listen than transmit, so broadcasting started up. In December of
1921, there was a test to span the Atlantic again, just like Marconi 20
years before, except with the "useless" higher frequencies, and it worked,
so suddenly there was more spectrum available, and hams were given slices
of it, rather than having it all.

The rules were slowly but constantly evolving, to reflect changes in radio
use, and changes in the technology of radio.

At some point, a technical exam, as well as a morse code exam, became an
entry requirement for ham radio. Note this wasn't hams wanting to lock
out others, it was implemented by governments. The morse code requirement
was an international regulation.

Amateur radio exists today because it existed at the dawn of radio. They
were a founding component of radio. Unlike all the other radio services,
it is a place to play with the technology of radio, so if you want to
build a radio controlled airplane, you can (licenses specifically for
radio control came much later). But since you can build your own
transmitters, some level of competence was needed. The whole regulation
thing was to ensure that radio use wasn't random, that the frequency for
emergency ship to shore communication wasn't interfered with by some fool
who thought he "had the right" to use the radio spectrum. So different
services get different frequencies, and since amateur radio is so open,
there is a test to limit the damage you might do.

Hams aren't an elite group, but the tradeoff of having access to the radio
spectrum has meant some skill is required.

If you don't want to take the test, I would point out that now everyone
has access to radio, they are called cellphones. No previous time in
history has the public had such access to radio, though they think it's a
phone and pay dearly for the needed infrascructure. They don't need a
license because the corporation takes care of it, and don't need to know
how it works because the corporations take care of it.

The test is in part about making sure you understand this. Of course any
fool bootlegger can buy a transmitter and blast away, and cause
interference, but at least the people who want to do it legally realize
the rules are for the public good. If anyone could do anything, the radio
spectrum would not be useful for anything.

It's like a national park. Kept for the public good, there are rules in
order to make sure it doesn't all fall apart.

Michael

On 5/23/2017 8:05 PM, Michael Black wrote:
On Sat, 20 May 2017, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:

Ham law is an absolute joke.Law banning people from using the airwaves
legally like if using a transceiver is using a rifle.It is also
creating a form of elitism over who uses the radiowaves because most
hams in my country are a bunch of snobby oldies who think that they
own the amateur bands and essentially jam and prohibit anyone else
from using it.Their clique is a retarded form of elitism and
exclusionism against people who are also genuinely interested in the
hobby yet are unable to get a licence for various reasons(mostly the
exam date being a completely unsuitable day for people

I think you flunked history when they were talking about the history of
radio.

They knew about radio for some time, but it was a laboratory curiosity.
Nobody had any plans for it, and it wasn't useful as they knew it.

But then Marconi, who didn't invent radio but helped to make it
practical, started playing with it, he had no background in technical
matters. And he spanned the Atlantic in December of 1901, proving that
radio could be used for distant communication.

That caused some interest in radio, including hobbyists. It was up for
grabs, so people played with the technology, not that it was complicated
back then. I gather that even newspapers would show how to build those
primitive radios. And there was no regulation.

Maybe the first set of rules related to ships needing to carry radio,
though now I can't remember. But the Titanic did carry a radio, and the
aftermath of that sinking was that in the US all radio stations be
licensed. I imagine other countries implemented similar rules soon after.

But initially it was just a license. I dont' think there was a
technical requirement, but that did arrive at some point. Radio was
contained in a very small slice of spectrum, below the current AM
broadcast band, since that was seen as the prime frequencies. So
everyone overlapped, and there were problems, causing more regulations
about operation.

I'm not sure without looking when an actual exam for ham radio came
into effect. WWI caused most radio activity, what there was, to be shut
down, so things were well along at that point, though of course the
military made use of the still primitive radio.

After WWI, there was reluctance to let loose the spectrum again, but
people campaigned for it, so it didn't remain the domain of the
military. And amateur radio got spectrum, though they were banished to
"useless" frequencies, above the current AM broadcast band.

And then further evolution. People saw that there were more people who
could listen than transmit, so broadcasting started up. In December of
1921, there was a test to span the Atlantic again, just like Marconi 20
years before, except with the "useless" higher frequencies, and it
worked, so suddenly there was more spectrum available, and hams were
given slices of it, rather than having it all.

The rules were slowly but constantly evolving, to reflect changes in
radio use, and changes in the technology of radio.

At some point, a technical exam, as well as a morse code exam, became an
entry requirement for ham radio. Note this wasn't hams wanting to lock
out others, it was implemented by governments. The morse code
requirement was an international regulation.

Amateur radio exists today because it existed at the dawn of radio.
They were a founding component of radio. Unlike all the other radio
services, it is a place to play with the technology of radio, so if you
want to build a radio controlled airplane, you can (licenses
specifically for radio control came much later). But since you can
build your own transmitters, some level of competence was needed. The
whole regulation thing was to ensure that radio use wasn't random, that
the frequency for emergency ship to shore communication wasn't
interfered with by some fool who thought he "had the right" to use the
radio spectrum. So different services get different frequencies, and
since amateur radio is so open, there is a test to limit the damage you
might do.

Hams aren't an elite group, but the tradeoff of having access to the
radio spectrum has meant some skill is required.

If you don't want to take the test, I would point out that now everyone
has access to radio, they are called cellphones. No previous time in
history has the public had such access to radio, though they think it's
a phone and pay dearly for the needed infrascructure. They don't need a
license because the corporation takes care of it, and don't need to know
how it works because the corporations take care of it.

The test is in part about making sure you understand this. Of course
any fool bootlegger can buy a transmitter and blast away, and cause
interference, but at least the people who want to do it legally realize
the rules are for the public good. If anyone could do anything, the
radio spectrum would not be useful for anything.

It's like a national park. Kept for the public good, there are rules in
order to make sure it doesn't all fall apart.

Michael

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Well, you indeed need a licence for installing a cell tower.
But still the way exam dates are planned and organised, as well as the
exam material itself is not of the best quality.That is the main topic
of this series of posts.To prove that ham radio ISNT THAT CRAZY and
should not be that heavily restricted.
Apart from that, I am complaining about the behaviour of certain
operators, especially on the VHF band.

On 05/23/2017 12:32 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:

Well, you indeed need a licence for installing a cell tower.

That would make sense.

But still the way exam dates are planned and organised, as well as the
exam material itself is not of the best quality.That is the main topic
of this series of posts.

You have not specifically identified what you don't like about the exam
materials. Examples would be good for others to determine if your
complaining has any merit.


To prove that ham radio ISNT THAT CRAZY and
should not be that heavily restricted.

What do you mean by heavily restricted? That you need a license is
generally accepted. Demonstrating an understanding of the technology and
rules is also generally expected.

Apart from that, I am complaining about the behaviour of certain
operators, especially on the VHF band.

But, wasn't that response based upon your actions?

Given your desire to interfere with others and damage equipment, I don't
have much sympathy for your self induced problems.

On Tue, 23 May 2017, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:


Well, you indeed need a licence for installing a cell tower.
But still the way exam dates are planned and organised, as well as the exam
material itself is not of the best quality.That is the main topic of this
series of posts.To prove that ham radio ISNT THAT CRAZY and should not be
that heavily restricted.
Apart from that, I am complaining about the behaviour of certain operators,
especially on the VHF band.

Your first post was all over the map.

Amateur radio is the least restrictive radio service there is. When I was
licensed at age 12 in 1972, I could run full power, 1KW, right away, and
do anything amateur radio allowed, except for voice on the lower
frequencies. I could experiment, I could build equipment, I could try
radio frequencies all over the spectrum, from almost longwave to
microwave. Endless things have come out of amateur radio precisely
because there are no restrictions.

Having to take a test is just to make sure you don't mess up. I don't
have the right to drive, I'd have to take a test there. It's the same
thing.

Any other radio service requires a specific need and you have to use
equipment specifically approved for that service, and what you can do is
limited.

Michael