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Old May 22nd 17, 08:14 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.shortwave
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Default Ham radio regulation is a complete JOKE

On 5/22/2017 3:03 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/22/2017 5:45 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/22/2017 10:25 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/22/2017 3:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/22/2017 3:19 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/22/2017 1:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/21/2017 3:48 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/21/2017 10:29 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/21/2017 3:06 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/21/2017 6:52 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/21/2017 10:39 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/20/2017 4:49 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 5/20/2017 2:13 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
Ham law is an absolute joke.Law banning people from using the
airwaves
legally like if using a transceiver is using a rifle.It is
also
creating
a form of elitism over who uses the radiowaves because most
hams
in my
country are a bunch of snobby oldies who think that they
own the
amateur
bands and essentially jam and prohibit anyone else from using
it.Their
clique is a retarded form of elitism and exclusionism against
people who
are also genuinely interested in the hobby yet are unable to
get a
licence for various reasons(mostly the exam date being a
completely
unsuitable day for people under 25 since the university
entrance
exams
are close-by).Every time I have attempted to speak politely
without a
callsign I have been welcomed with curse phrases.Even if I
explain the
situation, the arrogant retards who call themselves
licenced ham
operators keep on playing around till I get ****ed off.Wow.How
inclusive
and "brotherly" they are.Just wow.Maybe they are brainwashed
into
believing that nobody unlicenced is good and that we are all
evil
trolls
who pollute the airwaves with their ****.
I really wish one day for a popular ham radio revolution to
take
place
where all unlicenced hams will take revenge on the asshole's
behaviour
by jamming the **** out of them continuously.
I encourage every unlicenced ham out there to jam the ****
out of
any
licenced ham as a form of retaliation.
Only this way these retards will learn how to behave.

So, if you are as smart as you think you are, why don't you
just
get
your license???




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Maybe you did not read the text.
THE EXAM DATE IS USUALLY MAY 20-25 WHICH IS THE WORST DAY
POSSIBLE DUE
TO EXAMS!!!

So the entire world has to bow to YOUR schedule. Guess what. IT
AIN'T
GONNA HAPPEN! Other people have schedules, also!

And here's another clue. Exams are offered MORE THAN ONCE A
YEAR!

There's an idiot born every minute...

And no, if you are not licensed, you ARE NOT WELCOME ON THE HAM
BANDS!

And well, the radio bands belong to everyone, not just ham
operators.
Exams are not offered IN MY COUNTRY more than once per year.
If you have a working brain, you should have understood that I am
not
from america.You are one country in the world.It does not mean
everyone
follows your standards.

No, bands do NOT belong to everyone. They are a resource shared
among
all people in the world, and like other shared resources, are
regulated.
The radio spectrum is regulated by each nation according to
international agreements.

And I know you aren't from America. But Greece holds exams twice a
year
- not just the end of May.

But it's probably good that you can't sit for the license exam.
From
your attitude you wouldn't make a very good amateur. We believe in
following the laws, not operating illegally.

You believe in a set of laws with no sense.And both the dates are
inconvinient.
Also have you ever been in my country before or at least
immigrated?I
doubt that.Ham exams are expensive and difficult.Not just basic
stuff.
Maybe they should sell put callsigns if the retarded ministry of
communications wants more money.
If a law was stupid enough to cause you hassle or harm, would you
still
follow it? ethicslaws.

I have never seen a law stupid enough to cause me harm. Lots of laws
cause me hassles, though - speed limits, for instance. Or
stopping for
red lights when there is no other traffic. But I still follow the
laws.
And if there is one I don't like, I will try to get it changed.

And the dates are not there for YOUR convenience. If you want a ham
license, you will find a way to take the test. But all you want
to do
is gripe.

Ham exams aren't overly difficult. But they do require you
study. You
aren't going to get them from a cereal box.

Here's a clue. Not everything in life is going to be easy,
convenient
or free. Once you are out of school and not being supported by your
mom
and dad, you'll have to work for everything - a roof over your
head, a
bed to sleep in and food on the table. Even if it's not "convenient"
for you.

Yes but the entire topic of this post is about the behaviour of the
greek ham ****s that call themselves "licenced operators".
Their behaviour is worse than unacceptable,especially towards pirates
who do not cause any trouble.Not that hams from your country are
innocent either.I have been on HF without a normal transceiver, but
with
a homemade morse cw transmitter and all I got back were curses.
What I complain about is the "argument" that has happened on the
repeaters, with some hams saying that I should be left to transmit
because of the fact I cannot go to the exams for the past 5 years and
with others calling me and my supporters "faggots who do not
deserve to
have a VHF transceiver".Now should I jam the **** out of them and
possibly triangulate and/or sabotage their installations?I know
that if
you short circuit the antenna with a 220V supply the transmitter the
transmitter will burn.

No, this entire topic is about licensed radio operators who have taken
the time to learn the appropriate material and take the test, vs.
pirates who have no legal authority to operate. By operating
illegally,
you ARE causing trouble.

As for what they are calling you - they are 100% correct, based on your
actions. I just hope for your sake the Greek Ministry of
Transports-communications doesn't catch up with you. You will be even
more unhappy than you are now. How does a few years of free room and
board courtesy of the Greek government sound to you?

And they will have help. Hams are very good at finding illegal
transmitters.

How AM I causing trouble?I know where to not broadcast, where the
military and emergency communications are and I know which power is the
maximum possible in my country.
They have no caught me because I usually am in the freebander channel
The ham band is between 144-145 mhz.Now I could buy this handheld
because it was quite discounted (20 euro).
Locating me??I have a handheld.Even they find where I am I can and will
hide the transceiver.They can't search my house unless the prosecutor
issues an order for that which is almost impossible.They haven't found
me for the past 6 years xDD
Your regulations are retarded and this is a fact.This whole **** was
made up for the retarded hellenic republic to profit from.Because the
exams require a fee of 25 euro.
The police uses the tetra radio system on 900mhz.So does the fire
service and the EMS.
Interfering with them is impossible and a tetra handheld costs over 600
euro.
Legal authority is a joke.The bands are free for everyone.Radio waves
are a natural thing that exists.
The exams are hard to do and set at an unsuitable date.That is a fact.We
are not 45 year old lazy arseholes who haven't studied for a degree and
got their licence at age 13 or so.


You, by your own admission, are operating illegally, jamming legal
operators and threatening to damage their equipment.

You are a perfect example of why there are regulations and licensing
requirements. Your kind is not wanted in a civilized society.


I jam and threaten to sabotage legal operators because of their
behaviour.They will only learn the bad way.If their behaviour won't stop
I will jam the repeater.I once pressed so often that the system of the
repeater stuck and someone had to get on the mountain to fix it.I have
done and I will do it again if their behaviour continues this way.
Regulations do not exist because of my behaviour.I protest against them,
and I willingly violate them to show that they are wrong and
unfair.Personally I believe I am operating just fine and that the law is
wrong.
But their attitude towards us is what makes me furious.


Regulations are there to stop your infantile behavior. And what you
believe is immaterial. It's the law that counts.

Their attitude towards spoiled brats like you is perfectly reasonable.
Grow up. You won't go far in this world with that attitude.

And BTW - you only THINK they haven't caught you yet. You won't know
for sure until someone knocks on your door. And then it will be too
late. Plus they don't need to actually find your handheld. Just
identifying the signal came from your house is proof enough. And for
that they don't even need to enter your property.

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Old May 22nd 17, 09:23 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.shortwave
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First recorded activity by RadioBanter: May 2017
Posts: 21
Default Ham radio regulation is a complete JOKE

On 5/22/2017 10:14 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/22/2017 3:03 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/22/2017 5:45 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/22/2017 10:25 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/22/2017 3:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/22/2017 3:19 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/22/2017 1:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/21/2017 3:48 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/21/2017 10:29 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/21/2017 3:06 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/21/2017 6:52 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/21/2017 10:39 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/20/2017 4:49 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 5/20/2017 2:13 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
Ham law is an absolute joke.Law banning people from using the
airwaves
legally like if using a transceiver is using a rifle.It is
also
creating
a form of elitism over who uses the radiowaves because most
hams
in my
country are a bunch of snobby oldies who think that they
own the
amateur
bands and essentially jam and prohibit anyone else from using
it.Their
clique is a retarded form of elitism and exclusionism against
people who
are also genuinely interested in the hobby yet are unable to
get a
licence for various reasons(mostly the exam date being a
completely
unsuitable day for people under 25 since the university
entrance
exams
are close-by).Every time I have attempted to speak politely
without a
callsign I have been welcomed with curse phrases.Even if I
explain the
situation, the arrogant retards who call themselves
licenced ham
operators keep on playing around till I get ****ed off.Wow.How
inclusive
and "brotherly" they are.Just wow.Maybe they are brainwashed
into
believing that nobody unlicenced is good and that we are all
evil
trolls
who pollute the airwaves with their ****.
I really wish one day for a popular ham radio revolution to
take
place
where all unlicenced hams will take revenge on the asshole's
behaviour
by jamming the **** out of them continuously.
I encourage every unlicenced ham out there to jam the ****
out of
any
licenced ham as a form of retaliation.
Only this way these retards will learn how to behave.

So, if you are as smart as you think you are, why don't you
just
get
your license???




---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

Maybe you did not read the text.
THE EXAM DATE IS USUALLY MAY 20-25 WHICH IS THE WORST DAY
POSSIBLE DUE
TO EXAMS!!!

So the entire world has to bow to YOUR schedule. Guess what. IT
AIN'T
GONNA HAPPEN! Other people have schedules, also!

And here's another clue. Exams are offered MORE THAN ONCE A
YEAR!

There's an idiot born every minute...

And no, if you are not licensed, you ARE NOT WELCOME ON THE HAM
BANDS!

And well, the radio bands belong to everyone, not just ham
operators.
Exams are not offered IN MY COUNTRY more than once per year.
If you have a working brain, you should have understood that I am
not
from america.You are one country in the world.It does not mean
everyone
follows your standards.

No, bands do NOT belong to everyone. They are a resource shared
among
all people in the world, and like other shared resources, are
regulated.
The radio spectrum is regulated by each nation according to
international agreements.

And I know you aren't from America. But Greece holds exams twice a
year
- not just the end of May.

But it's probably good that you can't sit for the license exam.
From
your attitude you wouldn't make a very good amateur. We believe in
following the laws, not operating illegally.

You believe in a set of laws with no sense.And both the dates are
inconvinient.
Also have you ever been in my country before or at least
immigrated?I
doubt that.Ham exams are expensive and difficult.Not just basic
stuff.
Maybe they should sell put callsigns if the retarded ministry of
communications wants more money.
If a law was stupid enough to cause you hassle or harm, would you
still
follow it? ethicslaws.

I have never seen a law stupid enough to cause me harm. Lots of laws
cause me hassles, though - speed limits, for instance. Or
stopping for
red lights when there is no other traffic. But I still follow the
laws.
And if there is one I don't like, I will try to get it changed.

And the dates are not there for YOUR convenience. If you want a ham
license, you will find a way to take the test. But all you want
to do
is gripe.

Ham exams aren't overly difficult. But they do require you
study. You
aren't going to get them from a cereal box.

Here's a clue. Not everything in life is going to be easy,
convenient
or free. Once you are out of school and not being supported by your
mom
and dad, you'll have to work for everything - a roof over your
head, a
bed to sleep in and food on the table. Even if it's not "convenient"
for you.

Yes but the entire topic of this post is about the behaviour of the
greek ham ****s that call themselves "licenced operators".
Their behaviour is worse than unacceptable,especially towards pirates
who do not cause any trouble.Not that hams from your country are
innocent either.I have been on HF without a normal transceiver, but
with
a homemade morse cw transmitter and all I got back were curses.
What I complain about is the "argument" that has happened on the
repeaters, with some hams saying that I should be left to transmit
because of the fact I cannot go to the exams for the past 5 years and
with others calling me and my supporters "faggots who do not
deserve to
have a VHF transceiver".Now should I jam the **** out of them and
possibly triangulate and/or sabotage their installations?I know
that if
you short circuit the antenna with a 220V supply the transmitter the
transmitter will burn.

No, this entire topic is about licensed radio operators who have taken
the time to learn the appropriate material and take the test, vs.
pirates who have no legal authority to operate. By operating
illegally,
you ARE causing trouble.

As for what they are calling you - they are 100% correct, based on your
actions. I just hope for your sake the Greek Ministry of
Transports-communications doesn't catch up with you. You will be even
more unhappy than you are now. How does a few years of free room and
board courtesy of the Greek government sound to you?

And they will have help. Hams are very good at finding illegal
transmitters.

How AM I causing trouble?I know where to not broadcast, where the
military and emergency communications are and I know which power is the
maximum possible in my country.
They have no caught me because I usually am in the freebander channel
The ham band is between 144-145 mhz.Now I could buy this handheld
because it was quite discounted (20 euro).
Locating me??I have a handheld.Even they find where I am I can and will
hide the transceiver.They can't search my house unless the prosecutor
issues an order for that which is almost impossible.They haven't found
me for the past 6 years xDD
Your regulations are retarded and this is a fact.This whole **** was
made up for the retarded hellenic republic to profit from.Because the
exams require a fee of 25 euro.
The police uses the tetra radio system on 900mhz.So does the fire
service and the EMS.
Interfering with them is impossible and a tetra handheld costs over 600
euro.
Legal authority is a joke.The bands are free for everyone.Radio waves
are a natural thing that exists.
The exams are hard to do and set at an unsuitable date.That is a fact.We
are not 45 year old lazy arseholes who haven't studied for a degree and
got their licence at age 13 or so.

You, by your own admission, are operating illegally, jamming legal
operators and threatening to damage their equipment.

You are a perfect example of why there are regulations and licensing
requirements. Your kind is not wanted in a civilized society.


I jam and threaten to sabotage legal operators because of their
behaviour.They will only learn the bad way.If their behaviour won't stop
I will jam the repeater.I once pressed so often that the system of the
repeater stuck and someone had to get on the mountain to fix it.I have
done and I will do it again if their behaviour continues this way.
Regulations do not exist because of my behaviour.I protest against them,
and I willingly violate them to show that they are wrong and
unfair.Personally I believe I am operating just fine and that the law is
wrong.
But their attitude towards us is what makes me furious.


Regulations are there to stop your infantile behavior. And what you
believe is immaterial. It's the law that counts.

Their attitude towards spoiled brats like you is perfectly reasonable.
Grow up. You won't go far in this world with that attitude.

And BTW - you only THINK they haven't caught you yet. You won't know
for sure until someone knocks on your door. And then it will be too
late. Plus they don't need to actually find your handheld. Just
identifying the signal came from your house is proof enough. And for
that they don't even need to enter your property.

And how they will prove it was me?Also I am absent from my house all day.
Their attitude was bad towards me regardless of how politely I was
talking.Until ofcourse after 2 hours of flaming I broke off and started
calling them names xD.
Ethics is above law, in the eyes of God.God is above law too.
Here the proceedure is more complicated.They have to find the physical
transmitter, that is why most people who were caught they had an
installation.
This law is retarded and immaterial.Telecommunications must be free to
everyone to use.
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Old May 22nd 17, 09:32 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.shortwave
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First recorded activity by RadioBanter: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,067
Default Ham radio regulation is a complete JOKE

On 5/22/2017 4:23 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/22/2017 10:14 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/22/2017 3:03 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/22/2017 5:45 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/22/2017 10:25 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/22/2017 3:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/22/2017 3:19 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/22/2017 1:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/21/2017 3:48 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/21/2017 10:29 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/21/2017 3:06 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/21/2017 6:52 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/21/2017 10:39 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/20/2017 4:49 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 5/20/2017 2:13 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
Ham law is an absolute joke.Law banning people from using
the
airwaves
legally like if using a transceiver is using a rifle.It is
also
creating
a form of elitism over who uses the radiowaves because most
hams
in my
country are a bunch of snobby oldies who think that they
own the
amateur
bands and essentially jam and prohibit anyone else from
using
it.Their
clique is a retarded form of elitism and exclusionism
against
people who
are also genuinely interested in the hobby yet are unable to
get a
licence for various reasons(mostly the exam date being a
completely
unsuitable day for people under 25 since the university
entrance
exams
are close-by).Every time I have attempted to speak politely
without a
callsign I have been welcomed with curse phrases.Even if I
explain the
situation, the arrogant retards who call themselves
licenced ham
operators keep on playing around till I get ****ed
off.Wow.How
inclusive
and "brotherly" they are.Just wow.Maybe they are brainwashed
into
believing that nobody unlicenced is good and that we are all
evil
trolls
who pollute the airwaves with their ****.
I really wish one day for a popular ham radio revolution to
take
place
where all unlicenced hams will take revenge on the asshole's
behaviour
by jamming the **** out of them continuously.
I encourage every unlicenced ham out there to jam the ****
out of
any
licenced ham as a form of retaliation.
Only this way these retards will learn how to behave.

So, if you are as smart as you think you are, why don't you
just
get
your license???




---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

Maybe you did not read the text.
THE EXAM DATE IS USUALLY MAY 20-25 WHICH IS THE WORST DAY
POSSIBLE DUE
TO EXAMS!!!

So the entire world has to bow to YOUR schedule. Guess
what. IT
AIN'T
GONNA HAPPEN! Other people have schedules, also!

And here's another clue. Exams are offered MORE THAN ONCE A
YEAR!

There's an idiot born every minute...

And no, if you are not licensed, you ARE NOT WELCOME ON THE HAM
BANDS!

And well, the radio bands belong to everyone, not just ham
operators.
Exams are not offered IN MY COUNTRY more than once per year.
If you have a working brain, you should have understood that
I am
not
from america.You are one country in the world.It does not mean
everyone
follows your standards.

No, bands do NOT belong to everyone. They are a resource shared
among
all people in the world, and like other shared resources, are
regulated.
The radio spectrum is regulated by each nation according to
international agreements.

And I know you aren't from America. But Greece holds exams
twice a
year
- not just the end of May.

But it's probably good that you can't sit for the license exam.
From
your attitude you wouldn't make a very good amateur. We
believe in
following the laws, not operating illegally.

You believe in a set of laws with no sense.And both the dates are
inconvinient.
Also have you ever been in my country before or at least
immigrated?I
doubt that.Ham exams are expensive and difficult.Not just basic
stuff.
Maybe they should sell put callsigns if the retarded ministry of
communications wants more money.
If a law was stupid enough to cause you hassle or harm, would you
still
follow it? ethicslaws.

I have never seen a law stupid enough to cause me harm. Lots of
laws
cause me hassles, though - speed limits, for instance. Or
stopping for
red lights when there is no other traffic. But I still follow the
laws.
And if there is one I don't like, I will try to get it changed.

And the dates are not there for YOUR convenience. If you want a
ham
license, you will find a way to take the test. But all you want
to do
is gripe.

Ham exams aren't overly difficult. But they do require you
study. You
aren't going to get them from a cereal box.

Here's a clue. Not everything in life is going to be easy,
convenient
or free. Once you are out of school and not being supported by
your
mom
and dad, you'll have to work for everything - a roof over your
head, a
bed to sleep in and food on the table. Even if it's not
"convenient"
for you.

Yes but the entire topic of this post is about the behaviour of the
greek ham ****s that call themselves "licenced operators".
Their behaviour is worse than unacceptable,especially towards
pirates
who do not cause any trouble.Not that hams from your country are
innocent either.I have been on HF without a normal transceiver, but
with
a homemade morse cw transmitter and all I got back were curses.
What I complain about is the "argument" that has happened on the
repeaters, with some hams saying that I should be left to transmit
because of the fact I cannot go to the exams for the past 5 years
and
with others calling me and my supporters "faggots who do not
deserve to
have a VHF transceiver".Now should I jam the **** out of them and
possibly triangulate and/or sabotage their installations?I know
that if
you short circuit the antenna with a 220V supply the transmitter the
transmitter will burn.

No, this entire topic is about licensed radio operators who have
taken
the time to learn the appropriate material and take the test, vs.
pirates who have no legal authority to operate. By operating
illegally,
you ARE causing trouble.

As for what they are calling you - they are 100% correct, based on
your
actions. I just hope for your sake the Greek Ministry of
Transports-communications doesn't catch up with you. You will be
even
more unhappy than you are now. How does a few years of free room and
board courtesy of the Greek government sound to you?

And they will have help. Hams are very good at finding illegal
transmitters.

How AM I causing trouble?I know where to not broadcast, where the
military and emergency communications are and I know which power is
the
maximum possible in my country.
They have no caught me because I usually am in the freebander channel
The ham band is between 144-145 mhz.Now I could buy this handheld
because it was quite discounted (20 euro).
Locating me??I have a handheld.Even they find where I am I can and
will
hide the transceiver.They can't search my house unless the prosecutor
issues an order for that which is almost impossible.They haven't found
me for the past 6 years xDD
Your regulations are retarded and this is a fact.This whole **** was
made up for the retarded hellenic republic to profit from.Because the
exams require a fee of 25 euro.
The police uses the tetra radio system on 900mhz.So does the fire
service and the EMS.
Interfering with them is impossible and a tetra handheld costs over
600
euro.
Legal authority is a joke.The bands are free for everyone.Radio waves
are a natural thing that exists.
The exams are hard to do and set at an unsuitable date.That is a
fact.We
are not 45 year old lazy arseholes who haven't studied for a degree
and
got their licence at age 13 or so.

You, by your own admission, are operating illegally, jamming legal
operators and threatening to damage their equipment.

You are a perfect example of why there are regulations and licensing
requirements. Your kind is not wanted in a civilized society.


I jam and threaten to sabotage legal operators because of their
behaviour.They will only learn the bad way.If their behaviour won't stop
I will jam the repeater.I once pressed so often that the system of the
repeater stuck and someone had to get on the mountain to fix it.I have
done and I will do it again if their behaviour continues this way.
Regulations do not exist because of my behaviour.I protest against them,
and I willingly violate them to show that they are wrong and
unfair.Personally I believe I am operating just fine and that the law is
wrong.
But their attitude towards us is what makes me furious.


Regulations are there to stop your infantile behavior. And what you
believe is immaterial. It's the law that counts.

Their attitude towards spoiled brats like you is perfectly reasonable.
Grow up. You won't go far in this world with that attitude.

And BTW - you only THINK they haven't caught you yet. You won't know
for sure until someone knocks on your door. And then it will be too
late. Plus they don't need to actually find your handheld. Just
identifying the signal came from your house is proof enough. And for
that they don't even need to enter your property.

And how they will prove it was me?Also I am absent from my house all day.
Their attitude was bad towards me regardless of how politely I was
talking.Until ofcourse after 2 hours of flaming I broke off and started
calling them names xD.
Ethics is above law, in the eyes of God.God is above law too.
Here the proceedure is more complicated.They have to find the physical
transmitter, that is why most people who were caught they had an
installation.
This law is retarded and immaterial.Telecommunications must be free to
everyone to use.


Where ever you are transmitting, both the government and hams are able
to track you. They do not have to find the physical transmitter.

And their attitude was justified because you were operating illegally.

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They aren't denying me the right to get a licence.They are disrespecting
the fact that I live in an isolated area (1) and (2) I am unable to get
a licence due to my school (and soon university)schedule.


I understand. But they ARE defacto denying you a license by refusing to accommodate you so you can take the exam. You have a solid legal case. I would contact the United Nations.
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On Mon, 22 May 2017, analogdial wrote:

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Yes indeed sabotage.I have experience in electronics.


If you're on a strict budget, a homebrew spark gap transmitter would be
affordable.

Well a buzzer is simpler, and does about the same thing.

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On Mon, 22 May 2017, analogdial wrote:

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Yes indeed sabotage.I have experience in electronics.


If you're on a strict budget, a homebrew spark gap transmitter would be
affordable.

Well a buzzer is simpler, and does about the same thing.

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Are you sure that isn't spelled kokonut krab? The kommie kook from kokomo wants to know.
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On 5/22/2017 11:32 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
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On 5/22/2017 10:14 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/22/2017 3:03 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/22/2017 5:45 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
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On 5/22/2017 1:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
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On 5/21/2017 10:29 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
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On 5/20/2017 4:49 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 5/20/2017 2:13 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
Ham law is an absolute joke.Law banning people from using
the
airwaves
legally like if using a transceiver is using a rifle.It is
also
creating
a form of elitism over who uses the radiowaves because most
hams
in my
country are a bunch of snobby oldies who think that they
own the
amateur
bands and essentially jam and prohibit anyone else from
using
it.Their
clique is a retarded form of elitism and exclusionism
against
people who
are also genuinely interested in the hobby yet are unable to
get a
licence for various reasons(mostly the exam date being a
completely
unsuitable day for people under 25 since the university
entrance
exams
are close-by).Every time I have attempted to speak politely
without a
callsign I have been welcomed with curse phrases.Even if I
explain the
situation, the arrogant retards who call themselves
licenced ham
operators keep on playing around till I get ****ed
off.Wow.How
inclusive
and "brotherly" they are.Just wow.Maybe they are brainwashed
into
believing that nobody unlicenced is good and that we are all
evil
trolls
who pollute the airwaves with their ****.
I really wish one day for a popular ham radio revolution to
take
place
where all unlicenced hams will take revenge on the asshole's
behaviour
by jamming the **** out of them continuously.
I encourage every unlicenced ham out there to jam the ****
out of
any
licenced ham as a form of retaliation.
Only this way these retards will learn how to behave.

So, if you are as smart as you think you are, why don't you
just
get
your license???




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Maybe you did not read the text.
THE EXAM DATE IS USUALLY MAY 20-25 WHICH IS THE WORST DAY
POSSIBLE DUE
TO EXAMS!!!

So the entire world has to bow to YOUR schedule. Guess
what. IT
AIN'T
GONNA HAPPEN! Other people have schedules, also!

And here's another clue. Exams are offered MORE THAN ONCE A
YEAR!

There's an idiot born every minute...

And no, if you are not licensed, you ARE NOT WELCOME ON THE HAM
BANDS!

And well, the radio bands belong to everyone, not just ham
operators.
Exams are not offered IN MY COUNTRY more than once per year.
If you have a working brain, you should have understood that
I am
not
from america.You are one country in the world.It does not mean
everyone
follows your standards.

No, bands do NOT belong to everyone. They are a resource shared
among
all people in the world, and like other shared resources, are
regulated.
The radio spectrum is regulated by each nation according to
international agreements.

And I know you aren't from America. But Greece holds exams
twice a
year
- not just the end of May.

But it's probably good that you can't sit for the license exam.
From
your attitude you wouldn't make a very good amateur. We
believe in
following the laws, not operating illegally.

You believe in a set of laws with no sense.And both the dates are
inconvinient.
Also have you ever been in my country before or at least
immigrated?I
doubt that.Ham exams are expensive and difficult.Not just basic
stuff.
Maybe they should sell put callsigns if the retarded ministry of
communications wants more money.
If a law was stupid enough to cause you hassle or harm, would you
still
follow it? ethicslaws.

I have never seen a law stupid enough to cause me harm. Lots of
laws
cause me hassles, though - speed limits, for instance. Or
stopping for
red lights when there is no other traffic. But I still follow the
laws.
And if there is one I don't like, I will try to get it changed.

And the dates are not there for YOUR convenience. If you want a
ham
license, you will find a way to take the test. But all you want
to do
is gripe.

Ham exams aren't overly difficult. But they do require you
study. You
aren't going to get them from a cereal box.

Here's a clue. Not everything in life is going to be easy,
convenient
or free. Once you are out of school and not being supported by
your
mom
and dad, you'll have to work for everything - a roof over your
head, a
bed to sleep in and food on the table. Even if it's not
"convenient"
for you.

Yes but the entire topic of this post is about the behaviour of the
greek ham ****s that call themselves "licenced operators".
Their behaviour is worse than unacceptable,especially towards
pirates
who do not cause any trouble.Not that hams from your country are
innocent either.I have been on HF without a normal transceiver, but
with
a homemade morse cw transmitter and all I got back were curses.
What I complain about is the "argument" that has happened on the
repeaters, with some hams saying that I should be left to transmit
because of the fact I cannot go to the exams for the past 5 years
and
with others calling me and my supporters "faggots who do not
deserve to
have a VHF transceiver".Now should I jam the **** out of them and
possibly triangulate and/or sabotage their installations?I know
that if
you short circuit the antenna with a 220V supply the transmitter the
transmitter will burn.

No, this entire topic is about licensed radio operators who have
taken
the time to learn the appropriate material and take the test, vs.
pirates who have no legal authority to operate. By operating
illegally,
you ARE causing trouble.

As for what they are calling you - they are 100% correct, based on
your
actions. I just hope for your sake the Greek Ministry of
Transports-communications doesn't catch up with you. You will be
even
more unhappy than you are now. How does a few years of free room and
board courtesy of the Greek government sound to you?

And they will have help. Hams are very good at finding illegal
transmitters.

How AM I causing trouble?I know where to not broadcast, where the
military and emergency communications are and I know which power is
the
maximum possible in my country.
They have no caught me because I usually am in the freebander channel
The ham band is between 144-145 mhz.Now I could buy this handheld
because it was quite discounted (20 euro).
Locating me??I have a handheld.Even they find where I am I can and
will
hide the transceiver.They can't search my house unless the prosecutor
issues an order for that which is almost impossible.They haven't found
me for the past 6 years xDD
Your regulations are retarded and this is a fact.This whole **** was
made up for the retarded hellenic republic to profit from.Because the
exams require a fee of 25 euro.
The police uses the tetra radio system on 900mhz.So does the fire
service and the EMS.
Interfering with them is impossible and a tetra handheld costs over
600
euro.
Legal authority is a joke.The bands are free for everyone.Radio waves
are a natural thing that exists.
The exams are hard to do and set at an unsuitable date.That is a
fact.We
are not 45 year old lazy arseholes who haven't studied for a degree
and
got their licence at age 13 or so.

You, by your own admission, are operating illegally, jamming legal
operators and threatening to damage their equipment.

You are a perfect example of why there are regulations and licensing
requirements. Your kind is not wanted in a civilized society.


I jam and threaten to sabotage legal operators because of their
behaviour.They will only learn the bad way.If their behaviour won't stop
I will jam the repeater.I once pressed so often that the system of the
repeater stuck and someone had to get on the mountain to fix it.I have
done and I will do it again if their behaviour continues this way.
Regulations do not exist because of my behaviour.I protest against them,
and I willingly violate them to show that they are wrong and
unfair.Personally I believe I am operating just fine and that the law is
wrong.
But their attitude towards us is what makes me furious.

Regulations are there to stop your infantile behavior. And what you
believe is immaterial. It's the law that counts.

Their attitude towards spoiled brats like you is perfectly reasonable.
Grow up. You won't go far in this world with that attitude.

And BTW - you only THINK they haven't caught you yet. You won't know
for sure until someone knocks on your door. And then it will be too
late. Plus they don't need to actually find your handheld. Just
identifying the signal came from your house is proof enough. And for
that they don't even need to enter your property.

And how they will prove it was me?Also I am absent from my house all day.
Their attitude was bad towards me regardless of how politely I was
talking.Until ofcourse after 2 hours of flaming I broke off and started
calling them names xD.
Ethics is above law, in the eyes of God.God is above law too.
Here the proceedure is more complicated.They have to find the physical
transmitter, that is why most people who were caught they had an
installation.
This law is retarded and immaterial.Telecommunications must be free to
everyone to use.


Where ever you are transmitting, both the government and hams are able
to track you. They do not have to find the physical transmitter.

And their attitude was justified because you were operating illegally.

As mentioned earlier, my actions are justified as they were the result
and response to their behaviour.
Also why they should care if I operate illegally?Do I put my nose in
their business???
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On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 10:44:16 PM UTC-5, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:

Please post a response if you got something meaningful to say xD


Just lending moral support to you Vassilis. I feel your pain and am trying to help.

I am currently on the hit list of higher ups in the world government because I know too much. If I have to suddenly bolt from the USA can you hide out me in Greece until the heat is off?
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