On 5/23/2017 6:53 AM, wrote:
On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 10:44:16 PM UTC-5, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:

Please post a response if you got something meaningful to say xD

Just lending moral support to you Vassilis. I feel your pain and am trying to help.

I am currently on the hit list of higher ups in the world government because I know too much. If I have to suddenly bolt from the USA can you hide out me in Greece until the heat is off?

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Greece is a haven for hiding xD.And it is almost impossible to get
extradited

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 11:07:03 PM UTC-5, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:

I am currently on the hit list of higher ups in the world government because I know too much. If I have to suddenly bolt from the USA can you hide out me in Greece until the heat is off?

Greece is a haven for hiding xD.And it is almost impossible to get
extradited

Excellent! They have already murdered DxAce. Me and DhiaDuit are next on their list. This is very serious business in this newsgroup. I am sure you were not aware of what a den of vipers you were entering when you came here. So I am just setting you wise.

Is there a way I can contact you if I need to escape? Greece is one of my favorite countries and The Speakeasies Swing Band is my favorite! They are in Greece. Can you introduce me to the lead singer? She is a great crooner! Check them out at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs5pmRIOiCY

On 5/22/2017 11:43 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/22/2017 11:32 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/22/2017 4:23 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/22/2017 10:14 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/22/2017 3:03 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/22/2017 5:45 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/22/2017 10:25 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/22/2017 3:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/22/2017 3:19 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/22/2017 1:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/21/2017 3:48 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/21/2017 10:29 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/21/2017 3:06 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/21/2017 6:52 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/21/2017 10:39 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/20/2017 4:49 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 5/20/2017 2:13 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
Ham law is an absolute joke.Law banning people from using
the
airwaves
legally like if using a transceiver is using a rifle.It is
also
creating
a form of elitism over who uses the radiowaves because
most
hams
in my
country are a bunch of snobby oldies who think that they
own the
amateur
bands and essentially jam and prohibit anyone else from
using
it.Their
clique is a retarded form of elitism and exclusionism
against
people who
are also genuinely interested in the hobby yet are
unable to
get a
licence for various reasons(mostly the exam date being a
completely
unsuitable day for people under 25 since the university
entrance
exams
are close-by).Every time I have attempted to speak
politely
without a
callsign I have been welcomed with curse phrases.Even if I
explain the
situation, the arrogant retards who call themselves
licenced ham
operators keep on playing around till I get ****ed
off.Wow.How
inclusive
and "brotherly" they are.Just wow.Maybe they are
brainwashed
into
believing that nobody unlicenced is good and that we
are all
evil
trolls
who pollute the airwaves with their ****.
I really wish one day for a popular ham radio
revolution to
take
place
where all unlicenced hams will take revenge on the
asshole's
behaviour
by jamming the **** out of them continuously.
I encourage every unlicenced ham out there to jam the ****
out of
any
licenced ham as a form of retaliation.
Only this way these retards will learn how to behave.

So, if you are as smart as you think you are, why don't you
just
get
your license???




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Maybe you did not read the text.
THE EXAM DATE IS USUALLY MAY 20-25 WHICH IS THE WORST DAY
POSSIBLE DUE
TO EXAMS!!!

So the entire world has to bow to YOUR schedule. Guess
what. IT
AIN'T
GONNA HAPPEN! Other people have schedules, also!

And here's another clue. Exams are offered MORE THAN ONCE A
YEAR!

There's an idiot born every minute...

And no, if you are not licensed, you ARE NOT WELCOME ON
THE HAM
BANDS!

And well, the radio bands belong to everyone, not just ham
operators.
Exams are not offered IN MY COUNTRY more than once per year.
If you have a working brain, you should have understood that
I am
not
from america.You are one country in the world.It does not mean
everyone
follows your standards.

No, bands do NOT belong to everyone. They are a resource
shared
among
all people in the world, and like other shared resources, are
regulated.
The radio spectrum is regulated by each nation according to
international agreements.

And I know you aren't from America. But Greece holds exams
twice a
year
- not just the end of May.

But it's probably good that you can't sit for the license exam.
From
your attitude you wouldn't make a very good amateur. We
believe in
following the laws, not operating illegally.

You believe in a set of laws with no sense.And both the dates
are
inconvinient.
Also have you ever been in my country before or at least
immigrated?I
doubt that.Ham exams are expensive and difficult.Not just basic
stuff.
Maybe they should sell put callsigns if the retarded ministry of
communications wants more money.
If a law was stupid enough to cause you hassle or harm, would
you
still
follow it? ethicslaws.

I have never seen a law stupid enough to cause me harm. Lots of
laws
cause me hassles, though - speed limits, for instance. Or
stopping for
red lights when there is no other traffic. But I still follow
the
laws.
And if there is one I don't like, I will try to get it changed.

And the dates are not there for YOUR convenience. If you want a
ham
license, you will find a way to take the test. But all you want
to do
is gripe.

Ham exams aren't overly difficult. But they do require you
study. You
aren't going to get them from a cereal box.

Here's a clue. Not everything in life is going to be easy,
convenient
or free. Once you are out of school and not being supported by
your
mom
and dad, you'll have to work for everything - a roof over your
head, a
bed to sleep in and food on the table. Even if it's not
"convenient"
for you.

Yes but the entire topic of this post is about the behaviour
of the
greek ham ****s that call themselves "licenced operators".
Their behaviour is worse than unacceptable,especially towards
pirates
who do not cause any trouble.Not that hams from your country are
innocent either.I have been on HF without a normal transceiver,
but
with
a homemade morse cw transmitter and all I got back were curses.
What I complain about is the "argument" that has happened on the
repeaters, with some hams saying that I should be left to transmit
because of the fact I cannot go to the exams for the past 5 years
and
with others calling me and my supporters "faggots who do not
deserve to
have a VHF transceiver".Now should I jam the **** out of them and
possibly triangulate and/or sabotage their installations?I know
that if
you short circuit the antenna with a 220V supply the
transmitter the
transmitter will burn.

No, this entire topic is about licensed radio operators who have
taken
the time to learn the appropriate material and take the test, vs.
pirates who have no legal authority to operate. By operating
illegally,
you ARE causing trouble.

As for what they are calling you - they are 100% correct, based on
your
actions. I just hope for your sake the Greek Ministry of
Transports-communications doesn't catch up with you. You will be
even
more unhappy than you are now. How does a few years of free
room and
board courtesy of the Greek government sound to you?

And they will have help. Hams are very good at finding illegal
transmitters.

How AM I causing trouble?I know where to not broadcast, where the
military and emergency communications are and I know which power is
the
maximum possible in my country.
They have no caught me because I usually am in the freebander
channel
The ham band is between 144-145 mhz.Now I could buy this handheld
because it was quite discounted (20 euro).
Locating me??I have a handheld.Even they find where I am I can and
will
hide the transceiver.They can't search my house unless the
prosecutor
issues an order for that which is almost impossible.They haven't
found
me for the past 6 years xDD
Your regulations are retarded and this is a fact.This whole **** was
made up for the retarded hellenic republic to profit from.Because
the
exams require a fee of 25 euro.
The police uses the tetra radio system on 900mhz.So does the fire
service and the EMS.
Interfering with them is impossible and a tetra handheld costs over
600
euro.
Legal authority is a joke.The bands are free for everyone.Radio
waves
are a natural thing that exists.
The exams are hard to do and set at an unsuitable date.That is a
fact.We
are not 45 year old lazy arseholes who haven't studied for a degree
and
got their licence at age 13 or so.

You, by your own admission, are operating illegally, jamming legal
operators and threatening to damage their equipment.

You are a perfect example of why there are regulations and licensing
requirements. Your kind is not wanted in a civilized society.


I jam and threaten to sabotage legal operators because of their
behaviour.They will only learn the bad way.If their behaviour won't
stop
I will jam the repeater.I once pressed so often that the system of the
repeater stuck and someone had to get on the mountain to fix it.I have
done and I will do it again if their behaviour continues this way.
Regulations do not exist because of my behaviour.I protest against
them,
and I willingly violate them to show that they are wrong and
unfair.Personally I believe I am operating just fine and that the
law is
wrong.
But their attitude towards us is what makes me furious.

Regulations are there to stop your infantile behavior. And what you
believe is immaterial. It's the law that counts.

Their attitude towards spoiled brats like you is perfectly reasonable.
Grow up. You won't go far in this world with that attitude.

And BTW - you only THINK they haven't caught you yet. You won't know
for sure until someone knocks on your door. And then it will be too
late. Plus they don't need to actually find your handheld. Just
identifying the signal came from your house is proof enough. And for
that they don't even need to enter your property.

And how they will prove it was me?Also I am absent from my house all
day.
Their attitude was bad towards me regardless of how politely I was
talking.Until ofcourse after 2 hours of flaming I broke off and started
calling them names xD.
Ethics is above law, in the eyes of God.God is above law too.
Here the proceedure is more complicated.They have to find the physical
transmitter, that is why most people who were caught they had an
installation.
This law is retarded and immaterial.Telecommunications must be free to
everyone to use.

Where ever you are transmitting, both the government and hams are able
to track you. They do not have to find the physical transmitter.

And their attitude was justified because you were operating illegally.

As mentioned earlier, my actions are justified as they were the result
and response to their behaviour.
Also why they should care if I operate illegally?Do I put my nose in
their business???

No, your actions are not justified. You were in the wrong by
transmitting illegally, and it is THEIR actions and behavior which are
justified.

Hams obey the rules, and do not suffer criminals like you. And by your
admitted actions, that is *exactly* what you are.

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Michael Black wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2017, analogdial wrote:

Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:


Yes indeed sabotage.I have experience in electronics.

If you're on a strict budget, a homebrew spark gap transmitter would be
affordable.

Well a buzzer is simpler, and does about the same thing.

Michael

I used a double pole relay. The budget constrained radio pirate must
make do with what's available. Tuned circuits and antennas can be
scrounged from construction debris.

But a buzzer is good. A doorbell is problematic.

Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:

On 5/23/2017 3:27 AM, wrote:
On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 9:28:47 AM UTC-5, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
g.com

They aren't denying me the right to get a licence.They are disrespecting
the fact that I live in an isolated area (1) and (2) I am unable to get
a licence due to my school (and soon university)schedule.

I understand. But they ARE defacto denying you a license by refusing to accommodate you so you can take the exam. You have a solid legal case. I would contact the United Nations.

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Please post a response if you got something meaningful to say xD

If you take this to the World Court, get a haircut, shave and wear a
clean suit.

You'll do better if you don't peg the Judge's anarchy meter.

On 5/23/2017 3:36 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/22/2017 11:43 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/22/2017 11:32 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/22/2017 4:23 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/22/2017 10:14 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/22/2017 3:03 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/22/2017 5:45 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/22/2017 10:25 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/22/2017 3:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/22/2017 3:19 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/22/2017 1:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/21/2017 3:48 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/21/2017 10:29 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/21/2017 3:06 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/21/2017 6:52 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/21/2017 10:39 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
On 5/20/2017 4:49 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 5/20/2017 2:13 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
Ham law is an absolute joke.Law banning people from using
the
airwaves
legally like if using a transceiver is using a rifle.It is
also
creating
a form of elitism over who uses the radiowaves because
most
hams
in my
country are a bunch of snobby oldies who think that they
own the
amateur
bands and essentially jam and prohibit anyone else from
using
it.Their
clique is a retarded form of elitism and exclusionism
against
people who
are also genuinely interested in the hobby yet are
unable to
get a
licence for various reasons(mostly the exam date being a
completely
unsuitable day for people under 25 since the university
entrance
exams
are close-by).Every time I have attempted to speak
politely
without a
callsign I have been welcomed with curse phrases.Even if I
explain the
situation, the arrogant retards who call themselves
licenced ham
operators keep on playing around till I get ****ed
off.Wow.How
inclusive
and "brotherly" they are.Just wow.Maybe they are
brainwashed
into
believing that nobody unlicenced is good and that we
are all
evil
trolls
who pollute the airwaves with their ****.
I really wish one day for a popular ham radio
revolution to
take
place
where all unlicenced hams will take revenge on the
asshole's
behaviour
by jamming the **** out of them continuously.
I encourage every unlicenced ham out there to jam the ****
out of
any
licenced ham as a form of retaliation.
Only this way these retards will learn how to behave.

So, if you are as smart as you think you are, why don't you
just
get
your license???




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Maybe you did not read the text.
THE EXAM DATE IS USUALLY MAY 20-25 WHICH IS THE WORST DAY
POSSIBLE DUE
TO EXAMS!!!

So the entire world has to bow to YOUR schedule. Guess
what. IT
AIN'T
GONNA HAPPEN! Other people have schedules, also!

And here's another clue. Exams are offered MORE THAN ONCE A
YEAR!

There's an idiot born every minute...

And no, if you are not licensed, you ARE NOT WELCOME ON
THE HAM
BANDS!

And well, the radio bands belong to everyone, not just ham
operators.
Exams are not offered IN MY COUNTRY more than once per year.
If you have a working brain, you should have understood that
I am
not
from america.You are one country in the world.It does not mean
everyone
follows your standards.

No, bands do NOT belong to everyone. They are a resource
shared
among
all people in the world, and like other shared resources, are
regulated.
The radio spectrum is regulated by each nation according to
international agreements.

And I know you aren't from America. But Greece holds exams
twice a
year
- not just the end of May.

But it's probably good that you can't sit for the license exam.
From
your attitude you wouldn't make a very good amateur. We
believe in
following the laws, not operating illegally.

You believe in a set of laws with no sense.And both the dates
are
inconvinient.
Also have you ever been in my country before or at least
immigrated?I
doubt that.Ham exams are expensive and difficult.Not just basic
stuff.
Maybe they should sell put callsigns if the retarded ministry of
communications wants more money.
If a law was stupid enough to cause you hassle or harm, would
you
still
follow it? ethicslaws.

I have never seen a law stupid enough to cause me harm. Lots of
laws
cause me hassles, though - speed limits, for instance. Or
stopping for
red lights when there is no other traffic. But I still follow
the
laws.
And if there is one I don't like, I will try to get it changed.

And the dates are not there for YOUR convenience. If you want a
ham
license, you will find a way to take the test. But all you want
to do
is gripe.

Ham exams aren't overly difficult. But they do require you
study. You
aren't going to get them from a cereal box.

Here's a clue. Not everything in life is going to be easy,
convenient
or free. Once you are out of school and not being supported by
your
mom
and dad, you'll have to work for everything - a roof over your
head, a
bed to sleep in and food on the table. Even if it's not
"convenient"
for you.

Yes but the entire topic of this post is about the behaviour
of the
greek ham ****s that call themselves "licenced operators".
Their behaviour is worse than unacceptable,especially towards
pirates
who do not cause any trouble.Not that hams from your country are
innocent either.I have been on HF without a normal transceiver,
but
with
a homemade morse cw transmitter and all I got back were curses.
What I complain about is the "argument" that has happened on the
repeaters, with some hams saying that I should be left to transmit
because of the fact I cannot go to the exams for the past 5 years
and
with others calling me and my supporters "faggots who do not
deserve to
have a VHF transceiver".Now should I jam the **** out of them and
possibly triangulate and/or sabotage their installations?I know
that if
you short circuit the antenna with a 220V supply the
transmitter the
transmitter will burn.

No, this entire topic is about licensed radio operators who have
taken
the time to learn the appropriate material and take the test, vs.
pirates who have no legal authority to operate. By operating
illegally,
you ARE causing trouble.

As for what they are calling you - they are 100% correct, based on
your
actions. I just hope for your sake the Greek Ministry of
Transports-communications doesn't catch up with you. You will be
even
more unhappy than you are now. How does a few years of free
room and
board courtesy of the Greek government sound to you?

And they will have help. Hams are very good at finding illegal
transmitters.

How AM I causing trouble?I know where to not broadcast, where the
military and emergency communications are and I know which power is
the
maximum possible in my country.
They have no caught me because I usually am in the freebander
channel
The ham band is between 144-145 mhz.Now I could buy this handheld
because it was quite discounted (20 euro).
Locating me??I have a handheld.Even they find where I am I can and
will
hide the transceiver.They can't search my house unless the
prosecutor
issues an order for that which is almost impossible.They haven't
found
me for the past 6 years xDD
Your regulations are retarded and this is a fact.This whole **** was
made up for the retarded hellenic republic to profit from.Because
the
exams require a fee of 25 euro.
The police uses the tetra radio system on 900mhz.So does the fire
service and the EMS.
Interfering with them is impossible and a tetra handheld costs over
600
euro.
Legal authority is a joke.The bands are free for everyone.Radio
waves
are a natural thing that exists.
The exams are hard to do and set at an unsuitable date.That is a
fact.We
are not 45 year old lazy arseholes who haven't studied for a degree
and
got their licence at age 13 or so.

You, by your own admission, are operating illegally, jamming legal
operators and threatening to damage their equipment.

You are a perfect example of why there are regulations and licensing
requirements. Your kind is not wanted in a civilized society.


I jam and threaten to sabotage legal operators because of their
behaviour.They will only learn the bad way.If their behaviour won't
stop
I will jam the repeater.I once pressed so often that the system of the
repeater stuck and someone had to get on the mountain to fix it.I have
done and I will do it again if their behaviour continues this way.
Regulations do not exist because of my behaviour.I protest against
them,
and I willingly violate them to show that they are wrong and
unfair.Personally I believe I am operating just fine and that the
law is
wrong.
But their attitude towards us is what makes me furious.

Regulations are there to stop your infantile behavior. And what you
believe is immaterial. It's the law that counts.

Their attitude towards spoiled brats like you is perfectly reasonable.
Grow up. You won't go far in this world with that attitude.

And BTW - you only THINK they haven't caught you yet. You won't know
for sure until someone knocks on your door. And then it will be too
late. Plus they don't need to actually find your handheld. Just
identifying the signal came from your house is proof enough. And for
that they don't even need to enter your property.

And how they will prove it was me?Also I am absent from my house all
day.
Their attitude was bad towards me regardless of how politely I was
talking.Until ofcourse after 2 hours of flaming I broke off and started
calling them names xD.
Ethics is above law, in the eyes of God.God is above law too.
Here the proceedure is more complicated.They have to find the physical
transmitter, that is why most people who were caught they had an
installation.
This law is retarded and immaterial.Telecommunications must be free to
everyone to use.

Where ever you are transmitting, both the government and hams are able
to track you. They do not have to find the physical transmitter.

And their attitude was justified because you were operating illegally.

As mentioned earlier, my actions are justified as they were the result
and response to their behaviour.
Also why they should care if I operate illegally?Do I put my nose in
their business???

No, your actions are not justified. You were in the wrong by
transmitting illegally, and it is THEIR actions and behavior which are
justified.

Hams obey the rules, and do not suffer criminals like you. And by your
admitted actions, that is *exactly* what you are.

Criminal lol.No I am not.I have the right to transmit whenever I want
whereever I want as long as I do not harm anyone.

fred k. engels wrote:

Bad news everyone coconut crab (Birgus latro) does not live or booze on
Amelia Earhart alone but also The Man size Fred Noonan

Addiction comes easily to Birgus Latro. The crab has been a
menace to gin swilling navigators for 80 years.

On Sat, 20 May 2017, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:

Ham law is an absolute joke.Law banning people from using the airwaves
legally like if using a transceiver is using a rifle.It is also creating a
form of elitism over who uses the radiowaves because most hams in my country
are a bunch of snobby oldies who think that they own the amateur bands and
essentially jam and prohibit anyone else from using it.Their clique is a
retarded form of elitism and exclusionism against people who are also
genuinely interested in the hobby yet are unable to get a licence for various
reasons(mostly the exam date being a completely unsuitable day for people

I think you flunked history when they were talking about the history of
radio.

They knew about radio for some time, but it was a laboratory curiosity.
Nobody had any plans for it, and it wasn't useful as they knew it.

But then Marconi, who didn't invent radio but helped to make it practical,
started playing with it, he had no background in technical matters. And
he spanned the Atlantic in December of 1901, proving that radio could be
used for distant communication.

That caused some interest in radio, including hobbyists. It was up for
grabs, so people played with the technology, not that it was complicated
back then. I gather that even newspapers would show how to build those
primitive radios. And there was no regulation.

Maybe the first set of rules related to ships needing to carry radio,
though now I can't remember. But the Titanic did carry a radio, and the
aftermath of that sinking was that in the US all radio stations be
licensed. I imagine other countries implemented similar rules soon after.

But initially it was just a license. I dont' think there was a technical
requirement, but that did arrive at some point. Radio was contained in a
very small slice of spectrum, below the current AM broadcast band, since
that was seen as the prime frequencies. So everyone overlapped, and there
were problems, causing more regulations about operation.

I'm not sure without looking when an actual exam for ham radio came into
effect. WWI caused most radio activity, what there was, to be shut down,
so things were well along at that point, though of course the military
made use of the still primitive radio.

After WWI, there was reluctance to let loose the spectrum again, but
people campaigned for it, so it didn't remain the domain of the military.
And amateur radio got spectrum, though they were banished to "useless"
frequencies, above the current AM broadcast band.

And then further evolution. People saw that there were more people who
could listen than transmit, so broadcasting started up. In December of
1921, there was a test to span the Atlantic again, just like Marconi 20
years before, except with the "useless" higher frequencies, and it worked,
so suddenly there was more spectrum available, and hams were given slices
of it, rather than having it all.

The rules were slowly but constantly evolving, to reflect changes in radio
use, and changes in the technology of radio.

At some point, a technical exam, as well as a morse code exam, became an
entry requirement for ham radio. Note this wasn't hams wanting to lock
out others, it was implemented by governments. The morse code requirement
was an international regulation.

Amateur radio exists today because it existed at the dawn of radio. They
were a founding component of radio. Unlike all the other radio services,
it is a place to play with the technology of radio, so if you want to
build a radio controlled airplane, you can (licenses specifically for
radio control came much later). But since you can build your own
transmitters, some level of competence was needed. The whole regulation
thing was to ensure that radio use wasn't random, that the frequency for
emergency ship to shore communication wasn't interfered with by some fool
who thought he "had the right" to use the radio spectrum. So different
services get different frequencies, and since amateur radio is so open,
there is a test to limit the damage you might do.

Hams aren't an elite group, but the tradeoff of having access to the radio
spectrum has meant some skill is required.

If you don't want to take the test, I would point out that now everyone
has access to radio, they are called cellphones. No previous time in
history has the public had such access to radio, though they think it's a
phone and pay dearly for the needed infrascructure. They don't need a
license because the corporation takes care of it, and don't need to know
how it works because the corporations take care of it.

The test is in part about making sure you understand this. Of course any
fool bootlegger can buy a transmitter and blast away, and cause
interference, but at least the people who want to do it legally realize
the rules are for the public good. If anyone could do anything, the radio
spectrum would not be useful for anything.

It's like a national park. Kept for the public good, there are rules in
order to make sure it doesn't all fall apart.

Michael

On 5/23/2017 8:05 PM, Michael Black wrote:
On Sat, 20 May 2017, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:

Ham law is an absolute joke.Law banning people from using the airwaves
legally like if using a transceiver is using a rifle.It is also
creating a form of elitism over who uses the radiowaves because most
hams in my country are a bunch of snobby oldies who think that they
own the amateur bands and essentially jam and prohibit anyone else
from using it.Their clique is a retarded form of elitism and
exclusionism against people who are also genuinely interested in the
hobby yet are unable to get a licence for various reasons(mostly the
exam date being a completely unsuitable day for people

I think you flunked history when they were talking about the history of
radio.

They knew about radio for some time, but it was a laboratory curiosity.
Nobody had any plans for it, and it wasn't useful as they knew it.

But then Marconi, who didn't invent radio but helped to make it
practical, started playing with it, he had no background in technical
matters. And he spanned the Atlantic in December of 1901, proving that
radio could be used for distant communication.

That caused some interest in radio, including hobbyists. It was up for
grabs, so people played with the technology, not that it was complicated
back then. I gather that even newspapers would show how to build those
primitive radios. And there was no regulation.

Maybe the first set of rules related to ships needing to carry radio,
though now I can't remember. But the Titanic did carry a radio, and the
aftermath of that sinking was that in the US all radio stations be
licensed. I imagine other countries implemented similar rules soon after.

But initially it was just a license. I dont' think there was a
technical requirement, but that did arrive at some point. Radio was
contained in a very small slice of spectrum, below the current AM
broadcast band, since that was seen as the prime frequencies. So
everyone overlapped, and there were problems, causing more regulations
about operation.

I'm not sure without looking when an actual exam for ham radio came
into effect. WWI caused most radio activity, what there was, to be shut
down, so things were well along at that point, though of course the
military made use of the still primitive radio.

After WWI, there was reluctance to let loose the spectrum again, but
people campaigned for it, so it didn't remain the domain of the
military. And amateur radio got spectrum, though they were banished to
"useless" frequencies, above the current AM broadcast band.

And then further evolution. People saw that there were more people who
could listen than transmit, so broadcasting started up. In December of
1921, there was a test to span the Atlantic again, just like Marconi 20
years before, except with the "useless" higher frequencies, and it
worked, so suddenly there was more spectrum available, and hams were
given slices of it, rather than having it all.

The rules were slowly but constantly evolving, to reflect changes in
radio use, and changes in the technology of radio.

At some point, a technical exam, as well as a morse code exam, became an
entry requirement for ham radio. Note this wasn't hams wanting to lock
out others, it was implemented by governments. The morse code
requirement was an international regulation.

Amateur radio exists today because it existed at the dawn of radio.
They were a founding component of radio. Unlike all the other radio
services, it is a place to play with the technology of radio, so if you
want to build a radio controlled airplane, you can (licenses
specifically for radio control came much later). But since you can
build your own transmitters, some level of competence was needed. The
whole regulation thing was to ensure that radio use wasn't random, that
the frequency for emergency ship to shore communication wasn't
interfered with by some fool who thought he "had the right" to use the
radio spectrum. So different services get different frequencies, and
since amateur radio is so open, there is a test to limit the damage you
might do.

Hams aren't an elite group, but the tradeoff of having access to the
radio spectrum has meant some skill is required.

If you don't want to take the test, I would point out that now everyone
has access to radio, they are called cellphones. No previous time in
history has the public had such access to radio, though they think it's
a phone and pay dearly for the needed infrascructure. They don't need a
license because the corporation takes care of it, and don't need to know
how it works because the corporations take care of it.

The test is in part about making sure you understand this. Of course
any fool bootlegger can buy a transmitter and blast away, and cause
interference, but at least the people who want to do it legally realize
the rules are for the public good. If anyone could do anything, the
radio spectrum would not be useful for anything.

It's like a national park. Kept for the public good, there are rules in
order to make sure it doesn't all fall apart.

Michael

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Well, you indeed need a licence for installing a cell tower.
But still the way exam dates are planned and organised, as well as the
exam material itself is not of the best quality.That is the main topic
of this series of posts.To prove that ham radio ISNT THAT CRAZY and
should not be that heavily restricted.
Apart from that, I am complaining about the behaviour of certain
operators, especially on the VHF band.

On 05/23/2017 12:32 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:

Well, you indeed need a licence for installing a cell tower.

That would make sense.

But still the way exam dates are planned and organised, as well as the
exam material itself is not of the best quality.That is the main topic
of this series of posts.

You have not specifically identified what you don't like about the exam
materials. Examples would be good for others to determine if your
complaining has any merit.


To prove that ham radio ISNT THAT CRAZY and
should not be that heavily restricted.

What do you mean by heavily restricted? That you need a license is
generally accepted. Demonstrating an understanding of the technology and
rules is also generally expected.

Apart from that, I am complaining about the behaviour of certain
operators, especially on the VHF band.

But, wasn't that response based upon your actions?

Given your desire to interfere with others and damage equipment, I don't
have much sympathy for your self induced problems.