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yazoo63 wrote: Hearing a possible clandestine station around 4417.5 khz. Hearing the carrier, but cant detect any audio due to static in my area. Hearing a jamming signal on same freq, so have to assume there's a clandestine there. Why would you assume that simply based upon hearing a carrier? Anybody have any info on this ? Barry N4IJN |
yazoo63 wrote: Hearing a possible clandestine station around 4417.5 khz. Hearing the carrier, but cant detect any audio due to static in my area. Hearing a jamming signal on same freq, so have to assume there's a clandestine there. Anybody have any info on this ? Barry N4IJN The Voice of the People of Kurdistan (clandestine) operates by some accounts from 0200-0500 on 4417. However, based upon the frequency and time, it's not very likely that it will propagate over here. It's already daylight there, and the sunrise terminator is into western africa at that time. Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B |
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yazoo63 wrote: Hearing a possible clandestine station around 4417.5 khz. Hearing the carrier, but cant detect any audio due to static in my area. Hearing a jamming signal on same freq, so have to assume there's a clandestine there. Why would you assume that simply based upon hearing a carrier? Anybody have any info on this ? Barry N4IJN Sorry N8KDV... that it's not about politics and Bill Clinton. Yes Yazoo, it's hard to ID something that is simply a blank carrier. |
RedOctober90 wrote: N8KDV wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: Hearing a possible clandestine station around 4417.5 khz. Hearing the carrier, but cant detect any audio due to static in my area. Hearing a jamming signal on same freq, so have to assume there's a clandestine there. Why would you assume that simply based upon hearing a carrier? Anybody have any info on this ? Barry N4IJN Sorry N8KDV... that it's not about politics and Bill Clinton. OK, whiner.... Yes Yazoo, it's hard to ID something that is simply a blank carrier. |
I never said there was a clandestine station there. I said there was a
POSSIBILITY that there was one there, based on the fact that i heard a carrier and it was being jammed. Logic would dictate that nobody would bother to jam a carrier unless something was being broadcasted on that carrier that they didn't want others to hear. All i was doing was soliciting ideas from others to see if it is possible that there was (or had been) clandestine activity on that freq in the past. And as it turns out, there had been. Thats all there was to my original post. Dont try to read too much into it. Have a nice day "N8KDV" wrote in message ... RedOctober90 wrote: N8KDV wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: Hearing a possible clandestine station around 4417.5 khz. Hearing the carrier, but cant detect any audio due to static in my area. Hearing a jamming signal on same freq, so have to assume there's a clandestine there. Why would you assume that simply based upon hearing a carrier? Anybody have any info on this ? Barry N4IJN Sorry N8KDV... that it's not about politics and Bill Clinton. OK, whiner.... Yes Yazoo, it's hard to ID something that is simply a blank carrier. |
yazoo63 wrote: I never said there was a clandestine station there. I said there was a POSSIBILITY Well, you also did say "so have to assume"... that there was one there, based on the fact that i heard a carrier and it was being jammed. Are you really sure it was being jammed? Or was it possibly just another utility signal? Logic would dictate that nobody would bother to jam a carrier unless something was being broadcasted on that carrier that they didn't want others to hear. All i was doing was soliciting ideas from others to see if it is possible that there was (or had been) clandestine activity on that freq in the past. And as it turns out, there had been. Thats all there was to my original post. Dont try to read too much into it. I didn't... I just read what you wrote... Have a nice day I will/and have. I suggest you try to not get so worked up... "N8KDV" wrote in message ... RedOctober90 wrote: N8KDV wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: Hearing a possible clandestine station around 4417.5 khz. Hearing the carrier, but cant detect any audio due to static in my area. Hearing a jamming signal on same freq, so have to assume there's a clandestine there. Why would you assume that simply based upon hearing a carrier? Anybody have any info on this ? Barry N4IJN Sorry N8KDV... that it's not about politics and Bill Clinton. OK, whiner.... Yes Yazoo, it's hard to ID something that is simply a blank carrier. |
yazoo63 wrote: I never said there was a clandestine station there. I said there was a POSSIBILITY that there was one there, based on the fact that i heard a carrier and it was being jammed. Logic would dictate that nobody would bother to jam a carrier unless something was being broadcasted on that carrier that they didn't want others to hear. Not necessarily. It's always a possibility that what you might consider 'jamming' is only a utility station innocently near the frequency. There is a difference between intentional 'jamming' and QRM. All i was doing was soliciting ideas from others to see if it is possible that there was (or had been) clandestine activity on that freq in the past. And as it turns out, there had been. Thats all there was to my original post. Dont try to read too much into it. Have a nice day "N8KDV" wrote in message ... RedOctober90 wrote: N8KDV wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: Hearing a possible clandestine station around 4417.5 khz. Hearing the carrier, but cant detect any audio due to static in my area. Hearing a jamming signal on same freq, so have to assume there's a clandestine there. Why would you assume that simply based upon hearing a carrier? Anybody have any info on this ? Barry N4IJN Sorry N8KDV... that it's not about politics and Bill Clinton. OK, whiner.... Yes Yazoo, it's hard to ID something that is simply a blank carrier. |
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RedOctober90 wrote: N8KDV wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: Hearing a possible clandestine station around 4417.5 khz. Hearing the carrier, but cant detect any audio due to static in my area. Hearing a jamming signal on same freq, so have to assume there's a clandestine there. Why would you assume that simply based upon hearing a carrier? Anybody have any info on this ? Barry N4IJN Sorry N8KDV... that it's not about politics and Bill Clinton. OK, whiner.... Yes Yazoo, it's hard to ID something that is simply a blank carrier. Ok, that makes us even, we both are whiners. But the killfile is making sure I don't see your off-topic postings again. |
RedOctober90 wrote: N8KDV wrote in message ... RedOctober90 wrote: N8KDV wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: Hearing a possible clandestine station around 4417.5 khz. Hearing the carrier, but cant detect any audio due to static in my area. Hearing a jamming signal on same freq, so have to assume there's a clandestine there. Why would you assume that simply based upon hearing a carrier? Anybody have any info on this ? Barry N4IJN Sorry N8KDV... that it's not about politics and Bill Clinton. OK, whiner.... Yes Yazoo, it's hard to ID something that is simply a blank carrier. Ok, that makes us even, we both are whiners. But the killfile is making sure I don't see your off-topic postings again. Thanks! But I contend that we can't possibly be even... your whining far outclasses mine. Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B |
Yes Yazoo, it's hard to ID something that is simply a blank carrier.
Actually, i didn't say it was a blank carrier. I said that i couldn't detect any audio due to a high level of static in my area at the time. There very well could have been audio, i just couldnt tell through the static. I was hoping someone else who had better conditions might have heard audio there. I cant wait until winter time conditions get here so the low bands quiet down. "RedOctober90" wrote in message om... N8KDV wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: Hearing a possible clandestine station around 4417.5 khz. Hearing the carrier, but cant detect any audio due to static in my area. Hearing a jamming signal on same freq, so have to assume there's a clandestine there. Why would you assume that simply based upon hearing a carrier? Anybody have any info on this ? Barry N4IJN Sorry N8KDV... that it's not about politics and Bill Clinton. Yes Yazoo, it's hard to ID something that is simply a blank carrier. |
yazoo63 wrote: Well, you also did say "so have to assume"... And your point of all this is ???? ( What does it matter, anyway?) My point? I thought you were the one trying to make a point. After all, it was you who came back with the nonesense post. I get the impression you haven't got a clue as to what you're talking about. I suggest you try to not get so worked up... LOL ... worked up? Radio is a hobby, and i treat it as such. There's much more important things in the world to get worked up about. I enjoy the hobby and try to have fun with it. Keep trying. (You'll know when i get worked up !!!!). LOL Spare me. 73 "N8KDV" wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: I never said there was a clandestine station there. I said there was a POSSIBILITY Well, you also did say "so have to assume"... that there was one there, based on the fact that i heard a carrier and it was being jammed. Are you really sure it was being jammed? Or was it possibly just another utility signal? Logic would dictate that nobody would bother to jam a carrier unless something was being broadcasted on that carrier that they didn't want others to hear. All i was doing was soliciting ideas from others to see if it is possible that there was (or had been) clandestine activity on that freq in the past. And as it turns out, there had been. Thats all there was to my original post. Dont try to read too much into it. I didn't... I just read what you wrote... Have a nice day I will/and have. I suggest you try to not get so worked up... "N8KDV" wrote in message ... RedOctober90 wrote: N8KDV wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: Hearing a possible clandestine station around 4417.5 khz. Hearing the carrier, but cant detect any audio due to static in my area. Hearing a jamming signal on same freq, so have to assume there's a clandestine there. Why would you assume that simply based upon hearing a carrier? Anybody have any info on this ? Barry N4IJN Sorry N8KDV... that it's not about politics and Bill Clinton. OK, whiner.... Yes Yazoo, it's hard to ID something that is simply a blank carrier. |
Well, i thought we were done with this, but i guess you want to keep it
going, so i'll bite ... What exactly was nonsense" about my post? "N8KDV" wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: Well, you also did say "so have to assume"... And your point of all this is ???? ( What does it matter, anyway?) My point? I thought you were the one trying to make a point. After all, it was you who came back with the nonesense post. I get the impression you haven't got a clue as to what you're talking about. I suggest you try to not get so worked up... LOL ... worked up? Radio is a hobby, and i treat it as such. There's much more important things in the world to get worked up about. I enjoy the hobby and try to have fun with it. Keep trying. (You'll know when i get worked up !!!!). LOL Spare me. 73 "N8KDV" wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: I never said there was a clandestine station there. I said there was a POSSIBILITY Well, you also did say "so have to assume"... that there was one there, based on the fact that i heard a carrier and it was being jammed. Are you really sure it was being jammed? Or was it possibly just another utility signal? Logic would dictate that nobody would bother to jam a carrier unless something was being broadcasted on that carrier that they didn't want others to hear. All i was doing was soliciting ideas from others to see if it is possible that there was (or had been) clandestine activity on that freq in the past. And as it turns out, there had been. Thats all there was to my original post. Dont try to read too much into it. I didn't... I just read what you wrote... Have a nice day I will/and have. I suggest you try to not get so worked up... "N8KDV" wrote in message ... RedOctober90 wrote: N8KDV wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: Hearing a possible clandestine station around 4417.5 khz. Hearing the carrier, but cant detect any audio due to static in my area. Hearing a jamming signal on same freq, so have to assume there's a clandestine there. Why would you assume that simply based upon hearing a carrier? Anybody have any info on this ? Barry N4IJN Sorry N8KDV... that it's not about politics and Bill Clinton. OK, whiner.... Yes Yazoo, it's hard to ID something that is simply a blank carrier. |
yazoo63 wrote: Well, i thought we were done with this, but i guess you want to keep it going, so i'll bite ... What exactly was nonsense" about my post? I asked you a very simple question. That was: Why would you assume that simply based upon hearing a carrier? Then, you come back with a bunch of crap. I figure that was nonsense. Pretty simple huh? Now go back to your radio, and try to get a little experience. "N8KDV" wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: Well, you also did say "so have to assume"... And your point of all this is ???? ( What does it matter, anyway?) My point? I thought you were the one trying to make a point. After all, it was you who came back with the nonesense post. I get the impression you haven't got a clue as to what you're talking about. I suggest you try to not get so worked up... LOL ... worked up? Radio is a hobby, and i treat it as such. There's much more important things in the world to get worked up about. I enjoy the hobby and try to have fun with it. Keep trying. (You'll know when i get worked up !!!!). LOL Spare me. 73 "N8KDV" wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: I never said there was a clandestine station there. I said there was a POSSIBILITY Well, you also did say "so have to assume"... that there was one there, based on the fact that i heard a carrier and it was being jammed. Are you really sure it was being jammed? Or was it possibly just another utility signal? Logic would dictate that nobody would bother to jam a carrier unless something was being broadcasted on that carrier that they didn't want others to hear. All i was doing was soliciting ideas from others to see if it is possible that there was (or had been) clandestine activity on that freq in the past. And as it turns out, there had been. Thats all there was to my original post. Dont try to read too much into it. I didn't... I just read what you wrote... Have a nice day I will/and have. I suggest you try to not get so worked up... "N8KDV" wrote in message ... RedOctober90 wrote: N8KDV wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: Hearing a possible clandestine station around 4417.5 khz. Hearing the carrier, but cant detect any audio due to static in my area. Hearing a jamming signal on same freq, so have to assume there's a clandestine there. Why would you assume that simply based upon hearing a carrier? Anybody have any info on this ? Barry N4IJN Sorry N8KDV... that it's not about politics and Bill Clinton. OK, whiner.... Yes Yazoo, it's hard to ID something that is simply a blank carrier. |
yazoo63 wrote: Yes Yazoo, it's hard to ID something that is simply a blank carrier. Actually, i didn't say it was a blank carrier. And, RedOctober90 never stated that YOU said it was a blank carrier. He was simply making an observation. As I stated the other day on another newsgroup, the level of comprehension here (and there) simply astounds me at times. You are a mighty defensive person Barry... I said that i couldn't detect any audio due to a high level of static in my area at the time. There very well could have been audio, i just couldnt tell through the static. I was hoping someone else who had better conditions might have heard audio there. I cant wait until winter time conditions get here so the low bands quiet down. "RedOctober90" wrote in message om... N8KDV wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: Hearing a possible clandestine station around 4417.5 khz. Hearing the carrier, but cant detect any audio due to static in my area. Hearing a jamming signal on same freq, so have to assume there's a clandestine there. Why would you assume that simply based upon hearing a carrier? Anybody have any info on this ? Barry N4IJN Sorry N8KDV... that it's not about politics and Bill Clinton. Yes Yazoo, it's hard to ID something that is simply a blank carrier. |
yazoo63 wrote: I asked you a very simple question. That was: Why would you assume that simply based upon hearing a carrier? And i gave you a very simple answer. I've been swling off and on since the mid-70's , and it sounded like a jamming signal. Could it have been coincidence that it was on that frequency? Absolutely! Could it have been a digital signal that sounded like jamming though my high static level? Yes. And according the the hardcoredx archives, that freq has been used by clandestines in the past. (i had actually researched that before i made my original post). So, is it possible that there was a clandestine there? yes.. Might it just have been just a stray carrier? yes. Either of our arguments could have been correct. It's all conjecture, anyway. Well, i'm off to bed. Gonna get up early and get to Home Depot to get materials to build a 6 meter yagi tomorrow. Hope i dont get rained out. 73, Barry N4IJN The one good thing that's come of all this is that every time I come across a 'stray carrier', I'll think of clandestine radio, and you. :-) Why just tonight alone I've come across numerous carriers with the POSSIBILITY of being clandestine stations. It sure as hell didn't sound from your original post that you'd done any research at all... if you had, you'd have certainly mentioned it, rather than asking if "Anybody have any info on this ?" Now, you seem to know all about the station. (Which by the way hasn't been logged on that frequency in months). It's been fun Barry, might I suggest a little more 'on' time rather than 'off' in your swl'ing hobby. 73 "N8KDV" wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: Well, i thought we were done with this, but i guess you want to keep it going, so i'll bite ... What exactly was nonsense" about my post? I asked you a very simple question. That was: Why would you assume that simply based upon hearing a carrier? Then, you come back with a bunch of crap. I figure that was nonsense. Pretty simple huh? Now go back to your radio, and try to get a little experience. "N8KDV" wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: Well, you also did say "so have to assume"... And your point of all this is ???? ( What does it matter, anyway?) My point? I thought you were the one trying to make a point. After all, it was you who came back with the nonesense post. I get the impression you haven't got a clue as to what you're talking about. I suggest you try to not get so worked up... LOL ... worked up? Radio is a hobby, and i treat it as such. There's much more important things in the world to get worked up about. I enjoy the hobby and try to have fun with it. Keep trying. (You'll know when i get worked up !!!!). LOL Spare me. 73 "N8KDV" wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: I never said there was a clandestine station there. I said there was a POSSIBILITY Well, you also did say "so have to assume"... that there was one there, based on the fact that i heard a carrier and it was being jammed. Are you really sure it was being jammed? Or was it possibly just another utility signal? Logic would dictate that nobody would bother to jam a carrier unless something was being broadcasted on that carrier that they didn't want others to hear. All i was doing was soliciting ideas from others to see if it is possible that there was (or had been) clandestine activity on that freq in the past. And as it turns out, there had been. Thats all there was to my original post. Dont try to read too much into it. I didn't... I just read what you wrote... Have a nice day I will/and have. I suggest you try to not get so worked up... "N8KDV" wrote in message ... RedOctober90 wrote: N8KDV wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: Hearing a possible clandestine station around 4417.5 khz. Hearing the carrier, but cant detect any audio due to static in my area. Hearing a jamming signal on same freq, so have to assume there's a clandestine there. Why would you assume that simply based upon hearing a carrier? Anybody have any info on this ? Barry N4IJN Sorry N8KDV... that it's not about politics and Bill Clinton. OK, whiner.... Yes Yazoo, it's hard to ID something that is simply a blank carrier. |
Well, i admit that i've been out of the SWL hobby for many years. Just
retired from the Coast Guard after 20 years, (8 years of which were doing sea time on 3 different cutters). When i wasnt at sea, i was stationed at places that werent good for putting up decent antennas. So, havent had a lot of time for the hobby since high school. Thats part of the reason why i'm here on this newsgroup. I'll take you're advice and try to spend more time in the SWL bands. Okay, now i'm REALLY going to bed. I was just making one last run through the bands. 73 es gn "N8KDV" wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: I asked you a very simple question. That was: Why would you assume that simply based upon hearing a carrier? And i gave you a very simple answer. I've been swling off and on since the mid-70's , and it sounded like a jamming signal. Could it have been coincidence that it was on that frequency? Absolutely! Could it have been a digital signal that sounded like jamming though my high static level? Yes. And according the the hardcoredx archives, that freq has been used by clandestines in the past. (i had actually researched that before i made my original post). So, is it possible that there was a clandestine there? yes.. Might it just have been just a stray carrier? yes. Either of our arguments could have been correct. It's all conjecture, anyway. Well, i'm off to bed. Gonna get up early and get to Home Depot to get materials to build a 6 meter yagi tomorrow. Hope i dont get rained out. 73, Barry N4IJN The one good thing that's come of all this is that every time I come across a 'stray carrier', I'll think of clandestine radio, and you. :-) Why just tonight alone I've come across numerous carriers with the POSSIBILITY of being clandestine stations. It sure as hell didn't sound from your original post that you'd done any research at all... if you had, you'd have certainly mentioned it, rather than asking if "Anybody have any info on this ?" Now, you seem to know all about the station. (Which by the way hasn't been logged on that frequency in months). It's been fun Barry, might I suggest a little more 'on' time rather than 'off' in your swl'ing hobby. 73 "N8KDV" wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: Well, i thought we were done with this, but i guess you want to keep it going, so i'll bite ... What exactly was nonsense" about my post? I asked you a very simple question. That was: Why would you assume that simply based upon hearing a carrier? Then, you come back with a bunch of crap. I figure that was nonsense. Pretty simple huh? Now go back to your radio, and try to get a little experience. "N8KDV" wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: Well, you also did say "so have to assume"... And your point of all this is ???? ( What does it matter, anyway?) My point? I thought you were the one trying to make a point. After all, it was you who came back with the nonesense post. I get the impression you haven't got a clue as to what you're talking about. I suggest you try to not get so worked up... LOL ... worked up? Radio is a hobby, and i treat it as such. There's much more important things in the world to get worked up about. I enjoy the hobby and try to have fun with it. Keep trying. (You'll know when i get worked up !!!!). LOL Spare me. 73 "N8KDV" wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: I never said there was a clandestine station there. I said there was a POSSIBILITY Well, you also did say "so have to assume"... that there was one there, based on the fact that i heard a carrier and it was being jammed. Are you really sure it was being jammed? Or was it possibly just another utility signal? Logic would dictate that nobody would bother to jam a carrier unless something was being broadcasted on that carrier that they didn't want others to hear. All i was doing was soliciting ideas from others to see if it is possible that there was (or had been) clandestine activity on that freq in the past. And as it turns out, there had been. Thats all there was to my original post. Dont try to read too much into it. I didn't... I just read what you wrote... Have a nice day I will/and have. I suggest you try to not get so worked up... "N8KDV" wrote in message ... RedOctober90 wrote: N8KDV wrote in message ... yazoo63 wrote: Hearing a possible clandestine station around 4417.5 khz. Hearing the carrier, but cant detect any audio due to static in my area. Hearing a jamming signal on same freq, so have to assume there's a clandestine there. Why would you assume that simply based upon hearing a carrier? Anybody have any info on this ? Barry N4IJN Sorry N8KDV... that it's not about politics and Bill Clinton. OK, whiner.... Yes Yazoo, it's hard to ID something that is simply a blank carrier. |
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