Looks like this michigan militialoon pay-triot fruitcake went the
way of Bill Cooper. More older news, but it's VERY interesting
to note that this guy apparently held a ham radio callsign and
allegedly used Ham Radio in support of his criminal flight activities.
Let's hope the FCC is in the process of nailing more of these ****stains.

(The sad part is he took a Mich State Police Officer with
him in the process of being apprehended - but the shortwave
"pay-triot sickness" continues to spread like cancer in the minds
of unbalanced individuals like the late fugitave named in the story....)

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"Joseph Pothier"
wrote in message ...

Associated Press has released the following article on the shootout
between Michigan law enforcement and Militiaman Scott Woodring.
Yours,

`Fugitive Shot and Killed After Turning Gun on Police,`
Associated Press, 7/13/03 2:06 PM

FREMONT, Mich. (AP) -- A fugitive charged with murder in the death of a
state trooper was shot and killed by police Sunday morning, officials
said.

Around 5 a.m. state police received a tip that Scott Allen Woodring, 40,
was in a vehicle behind a house about four miles southwest of his
Newaygo County home.

An eight-member state police emergency services team responded, found
Woodring, and ordered him to remain inside the vehicle, state police
inspector Barry Getzen said.

Woodring got out of the vehicle armed with an assault rifle and turned
toward police, Getzen said. He was shot by officers and pronounced dead
at the scene.

"He pulled the weapon out and turned toward the officers," Getzen said
at an afternoon news conference.

Police would not say how many times officers fired at Woodring nor how
many times he was hit. They also would not divulge the owner or location
of the vehicle and house where Woodring was found.

Woodring had eluded capture since early last week when he slipped out of
his home in Dayton Township, just outside Fremont, and past dozens of
police officers who had surrounded him during a deadly standoff.

He had barricaded himself in the home on July 6 when officers from the
Hesperia Police Department and the Newaygo County Sheriff's Department
tried to serve him with a felony arrest warrant. Woodring was wanted
after being accused of soliciting sex from a female minor at a Hesperia
gas station on July 1.

State Trooper Kevin Marshall was shot four times as his tactical team
stormed Woodring's home last Monday in an attempt to capture him.
Marshall, a 33-year-old married father of two and a Sterling Heights
native, died in surgery later that day.

Police all but ruled out the possibility that Marshall could have been
hit by friendly fire. The bullets that struck him were fired by a weapon
of smaller caliber than those issued to state police, Getzen has said.

Woodring vanished sometime between Monday afternoon, when the team
stormed the house, and Tuesday afternoon, when fire destroyed the
ranch-style home shortly after police shot a percussion device into the
structure.

Investigators had received more than 200 tips from the public as they
searched for Woodring, but had considered significant one sighting that
put the man on foot near the White River in Lincoln Township.

Family members say Woodring was deeply religious but held strong
anti-government and anti-authority views.

Officials who scoured the charred remains of Woodring's home turned up a
cache of weapons, thousands of rounds of ammunition, a food stockpile
estimated to last several months, more than 200 pounds of silver coins,
and backpacks packed with food, clothing, foil blankets and in one case,
a gas mask, Getzen said. Several other weapons registered to Woodring
were missing.

Tom Wayne, former chief of staff and executive officer of the Michigan
Militia Corps Wolverines, said Woodring was active in Wayne's group
until the mid-1990s, when they parted ways over ideological differences.

"He started getting more and more into the Christian Identity movement,"
said Wayne, who said the militia is largely inactive now.

The Christian Identity movement espouses racist, sexist, anti-Semitic
and homophobic beliefs.
The following two articles updates the Woodring case for today. The
first is interesting in tying Woodring to James Wickstrom, one of the
most vicious Christian Identity organizers and 'preachers' in the
country.

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The following two articles updates the Woodring case for today. The
first is interesting in tying Woodring to James Wickstrom, one of the
most vicious Christian Identity organizers and 'preachers' in the
country.

Yours,

JP
Happy Harpy

++++++++++++++++

John S. Hausman, `Radical Sympathizers Could Help Fugitive Gunman Make
Getaway,` Muskegon Chronicle, 030710.

Muskegon people who knew Scott Allen Woodring as a former Michigan
Militia activist say they wouldn't be surprised if the Fremont fugitive
is being aided in his flight by a network of supporters in the radical
right-wing Christian Identity movement.

Woodring, 40, is sought by police after a standoff that resulted in the
Monday shooting death of a state trooper and the Tuesday burning down of
Woodring's home after police fired a concussion grenade into it.

Woodring is described as a quiet, questioning sort who didn't publicly
advocate violence but did associate with others who did, including
Christian Identity activists. That 50,000-member movement espouses
racist, sexist, anti-Semitic and homophobic beliefs and claims whites
are God's chosen people.

Some believe the movement helped accused "Olympic bomber" Eric Rudolph
elude capture for years until his recent arrest.

A Michigan leader in the Christian Identity movement, James P. Wickstrom
of Bay City, occasionally held meetings in Fremont that Woodring
attended, according to a Muskegon County militia leader who doesn't
share Christian Identity's extremist views.

"We evicted (Woodring and others in the Newaygo County militia
'brigade') from the militia several years ago in regards to their
Christian Identity ties and their ties to the Ku Klux Klan and the
neo-Nazis," said Lynn Jon VanHuizen, a Muskegon County gun-shop owner
and state commander of the Michigan Militia Corps Wolverines. "That was
one brigade that went bad. This was just not acceptable in our
organization at all."

VanHuizen said Woodring and others in the Newaygo County militia became
followers of Wickstrom, who also is a leader in the Posse Comitatus
anti-government movement and has spent time in federal prison for
counterfeiting.

VanHuizen said Woodring was "pretty much on the quiet side -- generally
quiet, straight to the point and brief." He said Woodring never
advocated violence in VanHuizen's presence.

The militia leader said he would not be surprised if Woodring's fellow
radicals are aiding him now. "Whether or not that's what's occurring is
speculation," VanHuizen said. "I just think that it's likely that that
could occur."

One with a similar impression of Woodring is Muskegon attorney and
former Chronicle reporter Michael G. Walsh, who extensively researched
what was then called the Michigan Militia for a series of articles in
the mid-1990s. Walsh feature Woodring in a 1996 newspaper story.

Walsh also thinks it's possible Woodring is receiving support in his
flight from the law.

**************************************************
"I'm convinced that there's a sophisticated network of like-minded
individuals, and it would not surprise me at all if he had some kind of
help, requested through shortwave transmission, cell-phone call or the
Internet during the crisis," Walsh said. "These people are very
sophisticated in terms of survival skills and in terms of weapons use.
"I would consider him to be very dangerous and would urge anyone who
comes across him to call 911," Walsh said.
**************************************************

His memories of Woodring were of a quiet, almost thoughtful man without
an obvious potential for violence. "He seemed very soft-spoken, more
questioning, more of an intellectual," Walsh said. "He quoted a number
of documents at length ... I had the impression he didn't understand
what he was quoting but was parroting things he had picked up on the
Internet or elsewhere.

"He did not say anything racist. He did not talk about weapons. He was
not at all overtly hostile to the government or the police or anyone
else. It was more a questioning than any kind of commitment that I
noticed," Walsh said.

Woodring ran unsuccessfully in 1996 for the office of Dayton Township
supervisor in rural Newaygo County, advocating a "freemen"
anti-government platform. He took 10 percent of the primary vote.

Also that year, Woodring issued a "public notice" in a weekly newspaper
to convene a meeting to discuss approaches to township government.
Calling itself the "Committee for a De Jure Township," Woodring's group
published legal-sounding language frequently used by freemen and
tax-protester groups.

"America," for example, was capitalized in the ad, but "united states"
was not. The ad said the purpose of the meeting was to talk about
organizing the township for "judicial and other purposes."

+++++++++

Amy Lee, `Standoff Suspect Armed, On Foot: Tips Pour In as Hunt for
Accused Killer Enters Fourth Day,` Detroit News, 030711.

FREMONT-- Police believe a Newaygo County man who allegedly shot and
killed a Michigan State Police trooper during a standoff this week is
heavily armed, on foot and not far from his Dayton Township home.

State Police Insp. Barry Getzen said Thursday that police have received
about 130 tips about Scott A. Woodring, who escaped undetected from his
house before it went up in flames Tuesday. Five or six are "highly
important," Getzen said.

The most promising tip placed Woodring in south-central Lincoln Township
near the White River. Lincoln Township is northeast of Dayton Township
in Newaygo County, which is about 30 miles northeast of Muskegon.
According to that tip, Woodring was wearing blue jeans and a gray
T-shirt, and had a black camouflage backpack. Investigators found a
trail in the woods and followed it for a while, but it petered out.

At Woodring's burned-out home, police found weapons, ammunition, food
and 200 pounds of silver coins and some gold coins. They did not find
the weapon that belonged to slain trooper Kevin Marshall, 33, whose
funeral is today in Warren.

Ammunition found at Woodring's house didn't match all of the weapons
found there, leading investigators to believe he is armed.

The standoff began Sunday night when local police tried to serve
Woodring with a warrant charging him with propositioning a minor at a
gas station July 1 in Hesperia. Woodring, 40, is a former member of the
Michigan Militia and an adherent of the radical Christian Identity
movement. Marshall, a Sterling Heights native and father of two, had
been a state trooper for eight years. He was the 49th state trooper to
die in the line of duty.

+++++++++++

John S. Hausman, `Radical Sympathizers Could Help Fugitive Gunman Make
Getaway,` Muskegon Chronicle, 030710.

Muskegon people who knew Scott Allen Woodring as a former Michigan
Militia activist say they wouldn't be surprised if the Fremont fugitive
is being aided in his flight by a network of supporters in the radical
right-wing Christian Identity movement.

Woodring, 40, is sought by police after a standoff that resulted in the
Monday shooting death of a state trooper and the Tuesday burning down of
Woodring's home after police fired a concussion grenade into it.

Woodring is described as a quiet, questioning sort who didn't publicly
advocate violence but did associate with others who did, including
Christian Identity activists. That 50,000-member movement espouses
racist, sexist, anti-Semitic and homophobic beliefs and claims whites
are God's chosen people.

Some believe the movement helped accused "Olympic bomber" Eric Rudolph
elude capture for years until his recent arrest.

A Michigan leader in the Christian Identity movement, James P. Wickstrom
of Bay City, occasionally held meetings in Fremont that Woodring
attended, according to a Muskegon County militia leader who doesn't
share Christian Identity's extremist views.

"We evicted (Woodring and others in the Newaygo County militia
'brigade') from the militia several years ago in regards to their
Christian Identity ties and their ties to the Ku Klux Klan and the
neo-Nazis," said Lynn Jon VanHuizen, a Muskegon County gun-shop owner
and state commander of the Michigan Militia Corps Wolverines. "That was
one brigade that went bad. This was just not acceptable in our
organization at all."

VanHuizen said Woodring and others in the Newaygo County militia became
followers of Wickstrom, who also is a leader in the Posse Comitatus
anti-government movement and has spent time in federal prison for
counterfeiting.

VanHuizen said Woodring was "pretty much on the quiet side -- generally
quiet, straight to the point and brief." He said Woodring never
advocated violence in VanHuizen's presence.

The militia leader said he would not be surprised if Woodring's fellow
radicals are aiding him now. "Whether or not that's what's occurring is
speculation," VanHuizen said. "I just think that it's likely that that
could occur."

One with a similar impression of Woodring is Muskegon attorney and
former Chronicle reporter Michael G. Walsh, who extensively researched
what was then called the Michigan Militia for a series of articles in
the mid-1990s. Walsh feature Woodring in a 1996 newspaper story.

Walsh also thinks it's possible Woodring is receiving support in his
flight from the law.

"I'm convinced that there's a sophisticated network of like-minded
individuals, and it would not surprise me at all if he had some kind of
help, requested through shortwave transmission, cell-phone call or the
Internet during the crisis," Walsh said. "These people are very
sophisticated in terms of survival skills and in terms of weapons use.

"I would consider him to be very dangerous and would urge anyone who
comes across him to call 911," Walsh said.

His memories of Woodring were of a quiet, almost thoughtful man without
an obvious potential for violence. "He seemed very soft-spoken, more
questioning, more of an intellectual," Walsh said. "He quoted a number
of documents at length ... I had the impression he didn't understand
what he was quoting but was parroting things he had picked up on the
Internet or elsewhere.

"He did not say anything racist. He did not talk about weapons. He was
not at all overtly hostile to the government or the police or anyone
else. It was more a questioning than any kind of commitment that I
noticed," Walsh said.

Woodring ran unsuccessfully in 1996 for the office of Dayton Township
supervisor in rural Newaygo County, advocating a "freemen"
anti-government platform. He took 10 percent of the primary vote.

Also that year, Woodring issued a "public notice" in a weekly newspaper
to convene a meeting to discuss approaches to township government.
Calling itself the "Committee for a De Jure Township," Woodring's group
published legal-sounding language frequently used by freemen and
tax-protester groups.

"America," for example, was capitalized in the ad, but "united states"
was not. The ad said the purpose of the meeting was to talk about
organizing the township for "judicial and other purposes."

+++++++++

Amy Lee, `Standoff Suspect Armed, On Foot: Tips Pour In as Hunt for
Accused Killer Enters Fourth Day,` Detroit News, 030711.

FREMONT-- Police believe a Newaygo County man who allegedly shot and
killed a Michigan State Police trooper during a standoff this week is
heavily armed, on foot and not far from his Dayton Township home.

State Police Insp. Barry Getzen said Thursday that police have received
about 130 tips about Scott A. Woodring, who escaped undetected from his
house before it went up in flames Tuesday. Five or six are "highly
important," Getzen said.

The most promising tip placed Woodring in south-central Lincoln Township
near the White River. Lincoln Township is northeast of Dayton Township
in Newaygo County, which is about 30 miles northeast of Muskegon.
According to that tip, Woodring was wearing blue jeans and a gray
T-shirt, and had a black camouflage backpack. Investigators found a
trail in the woods and followed it for a while, but it petered out.

At Woodring's burned-out home, police found weapons, ammunition, food
and 200 pounds of silver coins and some gold coins. They did not find
the weapon that belonged to slain trooper Kevin Marshall, 33, whose
funeral is today in Warren.

Ammunition found at Woodring's house didn't match all of the weapons
found there, leading investigators to believe he is armed.

The standoff began Sunday night when local police tried to serve
Woodring with a warrant charging him with propositioning a minor at a
gas station July 1 in Hesperia. Woodring, 40, is a former member of the
Michigan Militia and an adherent of the radical Christian Identity
movement. Marshall, a Sterling Heights native and father of two, had
been a state trooper for eight years. He was the 49th state trooper to
die in the line of duty.

+++++++++++

"Maximo Lachman" wrote in message
...
"BoB the Almighty" ) writes:
Looks like this michigan militialoon pay-triot fruitcake went the
way of Bill Cooper. More older news, but it's VERY interesting
to note that this guy apparently held a ham radio callsign and
allegedly used Ham Radio in support of his criminal flight
activities.
Let's hope the FCC is in the process of nailing more of these
****stains.

(The sad part is he took a Mich State Police Officer with
him in the process of being apprehended - but the shortwave
"ham/cb sickness" continues to spread like cancer in the minds
of unbalanced individuals like the late fugitave named in the
story....)

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`Fugitive Shot and Killed After Turning Gun on Police,`
Associated Press, 7/13/03 2:06 PM

FREMONT, Mich. (AP) -- A fugitive charged with murder in the death
of a
state trooper was shot and killed by police Sunday morning,
officials
said.

Woodring is described as a quiet, questioning sort who didn't
publicly
advocate violence but did associate with others who did, including
Christian Identity activists. That 50,000-member movement espouses
racist, sexist, anti-Semitic and homophobic beliefs and claims
whites
are God's chosen people.

Some believe the movement helped accused "Olympic bomber" Eric
Rudolph
elude capture for years until his recent arrest.

Eric, like Johnnie Walker, is not a Christian, and not a ham, so at
least
they have some redeeming value. Otherwise, Christian Identity has
most
of the save views as the scum in the White House.


Christian Identity=White House "scum" (or almost)?

Do you keep count of your baseless rantings? I've been getting some
good chuckles over the years from your stuff, and am wondering if
you're contemplating some kind of anthology. There's probably a
market among fans of the factually challenged.

"Tad Early" ) writes:
"p-j" wrote in message
Tad Early wrote:
Christian Identity=White House "scum" (or almost)?

Do you keep count of your baseless rantings? I've been getting
good chuckles over the years from your stuff, and am wondering if
you're contemplating some kind of anthology. There's probably a
market among fans of the factually challenged.

Look who talks. Let's hear more of the Party line propaganda about
Bush that you swallow whole.

Bush is honest right? Or is it time to move into the spin about he
is lying to us for our own good. Gotta love that one.

Not that reading comprehension appear to be your strong suit, but what
does the "party line" or Bush's overall honesty have to do with the
original point of the post?

comprehend the original post before advertising your ignorance.

For your benefit, I'll type slooooowly. Maximo thinks that Christian
Identity is the equivalent of the "scum" in the White House. Since

Spoken like a true liar. 1st of all, you can't say what I think now,
based on what I've written in the past. Even if you could, you have
no right to dictate what somebody thinks, based on what they write,
since they might really believe the opposite or have no opinion at all.
The usual disclaimer applies, whether written or not: "past performance
is not indicative of future results". Just because Yankistan has been
a melting pot where the scum rises to the top, doesn't mean that I
meant that it will continue to do so into the future.

you're so eager to jump in, why don't you provide some evidence to
support *that* proposition, rather than *your* usual knee jerk part
line.

Simple. When Jean ChrEtien says that he's a "Christian" everybody
(who has any intelligence) knows it's meant as a pun. When Bush says
that he's a Christian, everybody who knows that he is a member of
Skull & Bones and/or Bohemian Grove and/or his dispensational cult
and/or British Israelism and/or Celtic Israelism know he's lying since
all are un-Christian groups. As such, they share at least 50% of the
same beliefs as Christian Identity. Only sycophants of such groups
would deny the obvious that such cults have had a large cross-section
of similar beliefs, at least 50%. It's not my job to prove the
obvious, it's your job to disprove it. Christ said to 'turn the
other cheek' & 'love your enemy' and both Bush & Christian Identity
have failed on both counts, which qualified both of them fairly &
squarely for the same camp of lying scum, along w/the terrorists
who pretended to espouse the 'religion of peace'. It would be nice
if the hypocrites could kill off each other, and leave the rest of
us in peace, but that's probably not on the menu.

However, just because Bush has been a member of such groups in the
past is not indicative that he'll act accordingly. He might repent
and instead of speaking out of both sides of his mouth, he'll speak
only out of one & the same (left) side 'A la mode ChrEtien'.
As usual, disclaimer applies.