Frank Dresser wrote:


"Gray Shockley" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:33:00 -0500, Randy Padawer wrote
(in message ) :

Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types
on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10,
2003. Here's an excerpt:


It may be KJES, a station on which I have no information (and would
appreciate some). Appears to be in the Southwest USA.

Gray


Glenn Hauser has mentioned KJES in a few DX Listening Digests:

http://www.dxing.com/dxr/dxld2140.htm

"* U S A. LITTLE KNOWN KJES IN VADO, NEW MEXICO, IS FIRST U.S.
CATHOLIC SHORTWAVE STATION'

"By Dr. Hansjeorg Biener. From his Medien Aktuell: Kirche im Rundfunk,
February 2002. © Copyright 2002 and reprinted with permission."

"Vado, New Mexico (Medien Aktuell) -- At the end of 1989 and beginning
of 1990, North American shortwave fans notice the first test
transmissions of station KJES Missionary Radio Evangelism originating
from a ranch operated by a Catholic priest for rehabilitating youth.
In an interview he spoke of having two 50,000-watt shortwave
transmitters, but that did not happen. On the contrary, the
transmissions from the used transmitters were sporadic and did not
happen regularly until 1992. The programs are essentially prayers,
hymns, and readings."

I don't think that KJES (it means King Jesus Eternal Savior) is as
strictly Catholic as WEWN Eternal Word Network. They may claim to be
Catholics, but they're more radical.

"KJES maintains an unvarying programming and frequency schedule, summer
season and winter season, year after year. All times are UT, world
time, same as London, which is six hours ahead of New York time (five
in summer daylight saving time). [make that 5 and 4, respectively, but
how is New York relevant in this??? -- gh]"

0200-0300 7555 kHz English to western Canada
0300-0330 7555 kHz English to central Canada

1400-1500 11715 kHz English to eastern Canada
1500-1600 11715 kHz English to western Canada
1600-1700 11715 kHz Spanish to Mexico

1900-2000 15385 kHz English to Australia
2000-2100 15385 kHz Spanish to Puerto Rico

"Database: Las Cruces: KJES shortwave. Service to North America and
Australia and the Pacific in English; Mexico, South America, and
Puerto Rico in Spanish. (One 50,000-watt transmitter). Format: Recited
psalms and prayers. Owner: Our Lord's Ranch, 230 High Valley Rd., Vado
NM 88072. (505) 233-2090, fax 233-3019. Michael Reuter, g.m. Fr. Rick
Thomas SJ, pres. See also El Paso, Tex. Founded about 1992. (In the
Diocese of Las Cruces) (Catholic Radio Update Sept 9 via DXLD)"

"KJES is run primarily for the benefit, it seems to me, of the young
people recovering from tough times in life, and serves Canada and
Australia in English and Mexico and Puerto Rico in Spanish a few hours
a day (Michael Dorner, CRU via DXLD) Do they really say PR is the
target? Why be so specific when, e.g., Florida, Cuba and D.R. are in
the same direxion? (gh, DXLD)"


About 10 years ago, Glenn Hauser said he was in the Vado area and decided to
make an unannounced visit to the KJES transmitter site. It was deserted at
the time. I suppose it's a real shoestring operation.

Transmitter sites often run on autopilot. I've been to the tops of San
Bruno Mountain and Sutro Peak in the San Francisco area, and the sites
were deserted except for a lone guard at Sutro. I've also been to
several transmitter sites in the Sacramento area, and they were
deserted. Apparently the tx's are run by remote from the studio these
days.


Frank Dresser

"tommyknocker" wrote in message
...

I don't think that KJES (it means King Jesus Eternal Savior) is as
strictly Catholic as WEWN Eternal Word Network. They may claim to be
Catholics, but they're more radical.

Seems way too radical for Catholics, indeed. Their pastors are usually not
the "fire and brimstone" types... just the opposite, as I recall from my
Irish Catholic upbringing... maybe these are some radical offshoot?

Jackie

Jackie wrote:


"tommyknocker" wrote in message
...

I don't think that KJES (it means King Jesus Eternal Savior) is as
strictly Catholic as WEWN Eternal Word Network. They may claim to be
Catholics, but they're more radical.

Seems way too radical for Catholics, indeed. Their pastors are usually not
the "fire and brimstone" types... just the opposite, as I recall from my
Irish Catholic upbringing... maybe these are some radical offshoot?

Jackie

I'm reminded of the end of the world cult in Uganda that committed mass
suicide three and a half years ago. They claimed to be Catholics too.

"Gray Shockley" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:33:00 -0500, Randy Padawer wrote
(in message ) :

Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types
on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10,
2003. Here's an excerpt:


It may be KJES, a station on which I have no information (and would
appreciate some). Appears to be in the Southwest USA.

Gray


Glenn Hauser has mentioned KJES in a few DX Listening Digests:

http://www.dxing.com/dxr/dxld2140.htm

"* U S A. LITTLE KNOWN KJES IN VADO, NEW MEXICO, IS FIRST U.S.
CATHOLIC SHORTWAVE STATION'

"By Dr. Hansjeorg Biener. From his Medien Aktuell: Kirche im Rundfunk,
February 2002. © Copyright 2002 and reprinted with permission."

"Vado, New Mexico (Medien Aktuell) -- At the end of 1989 and beginning
of 1990, North American shortwave fans notice the first test
transmissions of station KJES Missionary Radio Evangelism originating
from a ranch operated by a Catholic priest for rehabilitating youth.
In an interview he spoke of having two 50,000-watt shortwave
transmitters, but that did not happen. On the contrary, the
transmissions from the used transmitters were sporadic and did not
happen regularly until 1992. The programs are essentially prayers,
hymns, and readings."

"KJES maintains an unvarying programming and frequency schedule, summer
season and winter season, year after year. All times are UT, world
time, same as London, which is six hours ahead of New York time (five
in summer daylight saving time). [make that 5 and 4, respectively, but
how is New York relevant in this??? -- gh]"

0200-0300 7555 kHz English to western Canada
0300-0330 7555 kHz English to central Canada

1400-1500 11715 kHz English to eastern Canada
1500-1600 11715 kHz English to western Canada
1600-1700 11715 kHz Spanish to Mexico

1900-2000 15385 kHz English to Australia
2000-2100 15385 kHz Spanish to Puerto Rico

"Database: Las Cruces: KJES shortwave. Service to North America and
Australia and the Pacific in English; Mexico, South America, and
Puerto Rico in Spanish. (One 50,000-watt transmitter). Format: Recited
psalms and prayers. Owner: Our Lord's Ranch, 230 High Valley Rd., Vado
NM 88072. (505) 233-2090, fax 233-3019. Michael Reuter, g.m. Fr. Rick
Thomas SJ, pres. See also El Paso, Tex. Founded about 1992. (In the
Diocese of Las Cruces) (Catholic Radio Update Sept 9 via DXLD)"

"KJES is run primarily for the benefit, it seems to me, of the young
people recovering from tough times in life, and serves Canada and
Australia in English and Mexico and Puerto Rico in Spanish a few hours
a day (Michael Dorner, CRU via DXLD) Do they really say PR is the
target? Why be so specific when, e.g., Florida, Cuba and D.R. are in
the same direxion? (gh, DXLD)"


About 10 years ago, Glenn Hauser said he was in the Vado area and decided to
make an unannounced visit to the KJES transmitter site. It was deserted at
the time. I suppose it's a real shoestring operation.

Frank Dresser


This is interesting. Having been raised catholic, and catching the
KJES broadcasts frequently over the last 3 years, I would not have
guessed these guys are Catholics. For one thing, I never catch them
mentioning the Pope, Mary, or the Catholic church and its
rules/doctrines. Those are usually the clear giveaways. In my
experience, a religious broadcaster who can go 20 minutes without
mentioning any of those *was* invariably a Protestant.

But who knows? This outfit may be one of the dissidents that have
arisen from time to time after Vatican 2. Or maybe these guys were
against diddling little boys...

--
Col. I.P. Yurin
Commissariat of Internal Security

Stakhanovite
Order of Lenin (1937)
Hero of Socialist Labor (1939)

"I. P. Yurin" wrote in message
...


This is interesting. Having been raised catholic, and catching the
KJES broadcasts frequently over the last 3 years, I would not have
guessed these guys are Catholics. For one thing, I never catch them
mentioning the Pope, Mary, or the Catholic church and its
rules/doctrines. Those are usually the clear giveaways. In my
experience, a religious broadcaster who can go 20 minutes without
mentioning any of those *was* invariably a Protestant.

That is curious. I was raised Protestant, and it sounded like it could be
rather Catholic to me. But my Grandmother was raised Catholic, and she
described the chants and such. Back then, I guess it was all in Latin. I
have the impression that traditional Catholic teaching is more oral than the
Protestant teaching.


But who knows? This outfit may be one of the dissidents that have
arisen from time to time after Vatican 2.

Could be. Years ago, I'd hear things like "The Church sure has declined
since they dropped the requirement for the Latin Mass." Followed by, "Oh,
but you wouldn't understand."


Or maybe these guys were
against diddling little boys...

I'm sure most of 'em were. But it's remarkable how much bad behavior
insiders can get away with.


--
Col. I.P. Yurin
Commissariat of Internal Security

Stakhanovite
Order of Lenin (1937)
Hero of Socialist Labor (1939)

Frank Dresser

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 03:45:49 GMT, I. P. Yurin
wrote:

This is interesting. Having been raised catholic, and catching the
KJES broadcasts frequently over the last 3 years, I would not have
guessed these guys are Catholics. For one thing, I never catch them
mentioning the Pope, Mary, or the Catholic church and its
rules/doctrines. Those are usually the clear giveaways. In my
experience, a religious broadcaster who can go 20 minutes without
mentioning any of those *was* invariably a Protestant.

I wouldn't have guessed Catholic either. I haven't listened to them lately, but
when I first ran across them years ago they used the name Yahweh all the time,
so I was imagining them as some sort of Old Testament fundamentalists.

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:54:04 -0500, Gray Shockley wrote
(in message ):


It may be KJES, a station on which I have no information (and would
appreciate some). Appears to be in the Southwest USA.

Gray

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Many thanks to all of you who helped me with KJES information.



Gray Shockley
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DX-392 DX-398
RX-320 DX-399
Torus Tuner (3-13 MHz)
Select-A-Tenna
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Vicksburg, MS US

"Randy Padawer" wrote in message
om...
Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types
on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10,
2003. Here's an excerpt:

"If your hand or foot causes you to sin,
cut it off and throw it away.
It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled
than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire."

"And if your eye causes you to sin,
gouge it out and throw it away.
It is better for you to enter into life with one eye
than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell."

Another verse I don't even want to directly quote -- the gist of it
was that it would be better for a child to have a millstone put around
his neck and drowned than to witness someone else sinning. I sure
hope we don't hear about these people on CNN one day, but I imagine
nevertheless that some of the religious-based murders we sometimes
hear are grounded in beliefs like this.

Anybody know what group originates this incredible doggerel?

Randy (WA4FJF)

Awww, Randy, are you trollin'? This is standard Gospel stuff. Here's a
quote from Matthew:

Matthew 18
1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the
greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of
them,
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as
little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same
is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it
were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he
were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that
offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!


Such is the miracle of cut and paste. The same language is in a couple of
other Books as well.

Frank Dresser

Randy Padawer wrote:

Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types
on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10,
2003. Here's an excerpt:

"If your hand or foot causes you to sin,
cut it off and throw it away.
It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled
than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire."

"And if your eye causes you to sin,
gouge it out and throw it away.
It is better for you to enter into life with one eye
than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell."

Another verse I don't even want to directly quote -- the gist of it
was that it would be better for a child to have a millstone put around
his neck and drowned than to witness someone else sinning. I sure
hope we don't hear about these people on CNN one day, but I imagine
nevertheless that some of the religious-based murders we sometimes
hear are grounded in beliefs like this.

Anybody know what group originates this incredible doggerel?

Randy (WA4FJF)

Hi

On this web site you can enter a frequency and see who broadcasts on it:

http://hfradio.org/swbc/

I fed in your frequency and found nobody listed as broadcasting between 18 and 19 gmt, but I'm guessing your broadcast was from these guys:

http://www.awr.org/

There's also a listing for Islamic Republic of Iran broadcasting on that frequency, but it's earlier in the day.

How about the Devil and or KJES via Vado, New Mexico at 1800 GMT to 1900 hrs
in English to Australasia at 50kw. Then in Spanish at 2000-2100 GMT to
Central America at 50kw.
--
Stewart H. MacKenzie, WDX6AA
"World Friendship Through Shortwave Radio Where Culture and Language Meet"
ASWLC - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ASWLC/
SCADS - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCADS/


"Randy Padawer" wrote in message
om...
Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types
on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10,
2003. Here's an excerpt:

"If your hand or foot causes you to sin,
cut it off and throw it away.
It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled
than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire."

"And if your eye causes you to sin,
gouge it out and throw it away.
It is better for you to enter into life with one eye
than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell."

Another verse I don't even want to directly quote -- the gist of it
was that it would be better for a child to have a millstone put around
his neck and drowned than to witness someone else sinning. I sure
hope we don't hear about these people on CNN one day, but I imagine
nevertheless that some of the religious-based murders we sometimes
hear are grounded in beliefs like this.

Anybody know what group originates this incredible doggerel?

Randy (WA4FJF)