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SCARY MYSTERY -- who is this on 15.385 @ 1800z Wednesday?
Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types
on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10, 2003. Here's an excerpt: "If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire." "And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell." Another verse I don't even want to directly quote -- the gist of it was that it would be better for a child to have a millstone put around his neck and drowned than to witness someone else sinning. I sure hope we don't hear about these people on CNN one day, but I imagine nevertheless that some of the religious-based murders we sometimes hear are grounded in beliefs like this. Anybody know what group originates this incredible doggerel? Randy (WA4FJF) |
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:33:00 -0500, Randy Padawer wrote
(in message ) : Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10, 2003. Here's an excerpt: It may be KJES, a station on which I have no information (and would appreciate some). Appears to be in the Southwest USA. Gray "If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire." "And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell." Another verse I don't even want to directly quote -- the gist of it was that it would be better for a child to have a millstone put around his neck and drowned than to witness someone else sinning. I sure hope we don't hear about these people on CNN one day, but I imagine nevertheless that some of the religious-based murders we sometimes hear are grounded in beliefs like this. Anybody know what group originates this incredible doggerel? Randy (WA4FJF) |
"Randy Padawer" wrote in message om... Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10, 2003. Here's an excerpt: "If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire." "And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell." Another verse I don't even want to directly quote -- the gist of it was that it would be better for a child to have a millstone put around his neck and drowned than to witness someone else sinning. I sure hope we don't hear about these people on CNN one day, but I imagine nevertheless that some of the religious-based murders we sometimes hear are grounded in beliefs like this. Anybody know what group originates this incredible doggerel? Randy (WA4FJF) Awww, Randy, are you trollin'? This is standard Gospel stuff. Here's a quote from Matthew: Matthew 18 1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! Such is the miracle of cut and paste. The same language is in a couple of other Books as well. Frank Dresser |
Randy Padawer wrote: Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10, 2003. Here's an excerpt: "If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire." "And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell." Another verse I don't even want to directly quote -- the gist of it was that it would be better for a child to have a millstone put around his neck and drowned than to witness someone else sinning. I sure hope we don't hear about these people on CNN one day, but I imagine nevertheless that some of the religious-based murders we sometimes hear are grounded in beliefs like this. Anybody know what group originates this incredible doggerel? Randy (WA4FJF) Hi On this web site you can enter a frequency and see who broadcasts on it: http://hfradio.org/swbc/ I fed in your frequency and found nobody listed as broadcasting between 18 and 19 gmt, but I'm guessing your broadcast was from these guys: http://www.awr.org/ There's also a listing for Islamic Republic of Iran broadcasting on that frequency, but it's earlier in the day. |
Gray Shockley wrote:
It may be KJES, a station on which I have no information (and would appreciate some). Appears to be in the Southwest USA. Gray KJES (Jesus-Eternal-Saviour) transmits from Vado, NM (nr. Las Cruces). One 50kw xmtr on 7.555, 11.715, 15.385 since 1992. Erratic schedule. QSL to: The Lord's Ranch, PO Box 300, Mesquite, NM 88048. Owner: Our Lord's Ranch, 230 High Valley Rd., Vado NM 88072. (505) 233-2090, fax 233-3019. Michael Reuter, g.m. Fr. Rick Thomas SJ, pres. -exray |
KJES
The Lords Ranch Mesquite, MN 88048 50kW "Gray Shockley" wrote in message ... On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:33:00 -0500, Randy Padawer wrote (in message ) : Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10, 2003. Here's an excerpt: It may be KJES, a station on which I have no information (and would appreciate some). Appears to be in the Southwest USA. Gray "If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire." "And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell." Another verse I don't even want to directly quote -- the gist of it was that it would be better for a child to have a millstone put around his neck and drowned than to witness someone else sinning. I sure hope we don't hear about these people on CNN one day, but I imagine nevertheless that some of the religious-based murders we sometimes hear are grounded in beliefs like this. Anybody know what group originates this incredible doggerel? Randy (WA4FJF) |
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Kent wrote:
Email.... And the FCC... http://www.fcc.gov/ib/sand/neg/hf_web/xkjes5.txt (note that this is 1992-1999 info) |
--exray-- wrote:
Kent wrote: Email.... And the FCC... http://www.fcc.gov/ib/sand/neg/hf_web/xkjes5.txt (note that this is 1992-1999 info) And their authorized times and target zones... http://ftp.fcc.gov/ib/sand/neg/hf_web/hfff0w02.txt |
"Gray Shockley" wrote in message ... On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:33:00 -0500, Randy Padawer wrote (in message ) : Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10, 2003. Here's an excerpt: It may be KJES, a station on which I have no information (and would appreciate some). Appears to be in the Southwest USA. Gray Glenn Hauser has mentioned KJES in a few DX Listening Digests: http://www.dxing.com/dxr/dxld2140.htm "* U S A. LITTLE KNOWN KJES IN VADO, NEW MEXICO, IS FIRST U.S. CATHOLIC SHORTWAVE STATION' "By Dr. Hansjeorg Biener. From his Medien Aktuell: Kirche im Rundfunk, February 2002. © Copyright 2002 and reprinted with permission." "Vado, New Mexico (Medien Aktuell) -- At the end of 1989 and beginning of 1990, North American shortwave fans notice the first test transmissions of station KJES Missionary Radio Evangelism originating from a ranch operated by a Catholic priest for rehabilitating youth. In an interview he spoke of having two 50,000-watt shortwave transmitters, but that did not happen. On the contrary, the transmissions from the used transmitters were sporadic and did not happen regularly until 1992. The programs are essentially prayers, hymns, and readings." "KJES maintains an unvarying programming and frequency schedule, summer season and winter season, year after year. All times are UT, world time, same as London, which is six hours ahead of New York time (five in summer daylight saving time). [make that 5 and 4, respectively, but how is New York relevant in this??? -- gh]" 0200-0300 7555 kHz English to western Canada 0300-0330 7555 kHz English to central Canada 1400-1500 11715 kHz English to eastern Canada 1500-1600 11715 kHz English to western Canada 1600-1700 11715 kHz Spanish to Mexico 1900-2000 15385 kHz English to Australia 2000-2100 15385 kHz Spanish to Puerto Rico "Database: Las Cruces: KJES shortwave. Service to North America and Australia and the Pacific in English; Mexico, South America, and Puerto Rico in Spanish. (One 50,000-watt transmitter). Format: Recited psalms and prayers. Owner: Our Lord's Ranch, 230 High Valley Rd., Vado NM 88072. (505) 233-2090, fax 233-3019. Michael Reuter, g.m. Fr. Rick Thomas SJ, pres. See also El Paso, Tex. Founded about 1992. (In the Diocese of Las Cruces) (Catholic Radio Update Sept 9 via DXLD)" "KJES is run primarily for the benefit, it seems to me, of the young people recovering from tough times in life, and serves Canada and Australia in English and Mexico and Puerto Rico in Spanish a few hours a day (Michael Dorner, CRU via DXLD) Do they really say PR is the target? Why be so specific when, e.g., Florida, Cuba and D.R. are in the same direxion? (gh, DXLD)" About 10 years ago, Glenn Hauser said he was in the Vado area and decided to make an unannounced visit to the KJES transmitter site. It was deserted at the time. I suppose it's a real shoestring operation. Frank Dresser |
How about the Devil and or KJES via Vado, New Mexico at 1800 GMT to 1900 hrs
in English to Australasia at 50kw. Then in Spanish at 2000-2100 GMT to Central America at 50kw. -- Stewart H. MacKenzie, WDX6AA "World Friendship Through Shortwave Radio Where Culture and Language Meet" ASWLC - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ASWLC/ SCADS - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCADS/ "Randy Padawer" wrote in message om... Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10, 2003. Here's an excerpt: "If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire." "And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell." Another verse I don't even want to directly quote -- the gist of it was that it would be better for a child to have a millstone put around his neck and drowned than to witness someone else sinning. I sure hope we don't hear about these people on CNN one day, but I imagine nevertheless that some of the religious-based murders we sometimes hear are grounded in beliefs like this. Anybody know what group originates this incredible doggerel? Randy (WA4FJF) |
FWIW, I think they are quoting scripture accurately, except for the part
about the kid that I never heard. There are all kinds and degrees of views, and a lot needs to be taken with a grain of salt. |
This is all Biblically accurate.
Matthew 5 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. courtesy of http://www.gospelcom.net/ Naturally the point here is its better to go to heaven missing body parts than to go to hell in whole. And I believe the earlier posted section was saying its not such a hot idea for a seasoned Christian to say something to a new Christiain which may result in that person loosing faith and fall away. Many times its better just to hold the tongue than criticise or confuse a new Christian. And from what Mathew is saying to the offender: It is better to place a millstone around that persons neck and toss them into the sea. Than for them to cause a new Christian to stumble. The nature of Christianity is such that the Holy Spirit gradually convicts each person of the sins in their life. Others don't usually need to do it for them. Exceptions (IMHO) are your pastor preaching to the whole church and not singling anyone out. Mike On 10 Sep 2003 11:33:00 -0700, (Randy Padawer) wrote: Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10, 2003. Here's an excerpt: "If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire." "And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell." Another verse I don't even want to directly quote -- the gist of it was that it would be better for a child to have a millstone put around his neck and drowned than to witness someone else sinning. I sure hope we don't hear about these people on CNN one day, but I imagine nevertheless that some of the religious-based murders we sometimes hear are grounded in beliefs like this. Anybody know what group originates this incredible doggerel? Randy (WA4FJF) |
Frank Dresser wrote:
"Gray Shockley" wrote in message ... On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:33:00 -0500, Randy Padawer wrote (in message ) : Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10, 2003. Here's an excerpt: It may be KJES, a station on which I have no information (and would appreciate some). Appears to be in the Southwest USA. Gray Glenn Hauser has mentioned KJES in a few DX Listening Digests: http://www.dxing.com/dxr/dxld2140.htm "* U S A. LITTLE KNOWN KJES IN VADO, NEW MEXICO, IS FIRST U.S. CATHOLIC SHORTWAVE STATION' "By Dr. Hansjeorg Biener. From his Medien Aktuell: Kirche im Rundfunk, February 2002. © Copyright 2002 and reprinted with permission." "Vado, New Mexico (Medien Aktuell) -- At the end of 1989 and beginning of 1990, North American shortwave fans notice the first test transmissions of station KJES Missionary Radio Evangelism originating from a ranch operated by a Catholic priest for rehabilitating youth. In an interview he spoke of having two 50,000-watt shortwave transmitters, but that did not happen. On the contrary, the transmissions from the used transmitters were sporadic and did not happen regularly until 1992. The programs are essentially prayers, hymns, and readings." I don't think that KJES (it means King Jesus Eternal Savior) is as strictly Catholic as WEWN Eternal Word Network. They may claim to be Catholics, but they're more radical. "KJES maintains an unvarying programming and frequency schedule, summer season and winter season, year after year. All times are UT, world time, same as London, which is six hours ahead of New York time (five in summer daylight saving time). [make that 5 and 4, respectively, but how is New York relevant in this??? -- gh]" 0200-0300 7555 kHz English to western Canada 0300-0330 7555 kHz English to central Canada 1400-1500 11715 kHz English to eastern Canada 1500-1600 11715 kHz English to western Canada 1600-1700 11715 kHz Spanish to Mexico 1900-2000 15385 kHz English to Australia 2000-2100 15385 kHz Spanish to Puerto Rico "Database: Las Cruces: KJES shortwave. Service to North America and Australia and the Pacific in English; Mexico, South America, and Puerto Rico in Spanish. (One 50,000-watt transmitter). Format: Recited psalms and prayers. Owner: Our Lord's Ranch, 230 High Valley Rd., Vado NM 88072. (505) 233-2090, fax 233-3019. Michael Reuter, g.m. Fr. Rick Thomas SJ, pres. See also El Paso, Tex. Founded about 1992. (In the Diocese of Las Cruces) (Catholic Radio Update Sept 9 via DXLD)" "KJES is run primarily for the benefit, it seems to me, of the young people recovering from tough times in life, and serves Canada and Australia in English and Mexico and Puerto Rico in Spanish a few hours a day (Michael Dorner, CRU via DXLD) Do they really say PR is the target? Why be so specific when, e.g., Florida, Cuba and D.R. are in the same direxion? (gh, DXLD)" About 10 years ago, Glenn Hauser said he was in the Vado area and decided to make an unannounced visit to the KJES transmitter site. It was deserted at the time. I suppose it's a real shoestring operation. Transmitter sites often run on autopilot. I've been to the tops of San Bruno Mountain and Sutro Peak in the San Francisco area, and the sites were deserted except for a lone guard at Sutro. I've also been to several transmitter sites in the Sacramento area, and they were deserted. Apparently the tx's are run by remote from the studio these days. Frank Dresser |
"Kent" wrote in message ... KJES The Lords Ranch Mesquite, MN 88048 50kW Better known by the locals in NM as the next "Branch Davidian" group just waiting to happen.... (Allegedly organized along similar lines as DJ Smith's cult in Waxahatchie, Tx. |
Thanks, all. Well, I've certainly revealed my scriptural ignorance
today, LOL. That just sounded so extreme to me, and when chanted (responsive reading group-style) sounded really way out. Thanks for clarifying and for the information. Randy (WA4FJF) |
gutblowout wrote:
"Kent" wrote in message ... KJES The Lords Ranch Mesquite, MN 88048 50kW Better known by the locals in NM as the next "Branch Davidian" group just waiting to happen.... (Allegedly organized along similar lines as DJ Smith's cult in Waxahatchie, Tx. I wonder if they really cut off body parts that have "sinned". Shoulds make them easy enough to recognize in town... Could you enlighten us about "DJ Smith's" cult in Texas? |
Sigh...another human who cannot accept the preachings from the
bible....There are verses in the King James Bible that preach similar things. If you don't like it, that is your problem... Clete Randy Padawer wrote in message ... Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10, 2003. Here's an excerpt: "If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire." "And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell." Another verse I don't even want to directly quote -- the gist of it was that it would be better for a child to have a millstone put around his neck and drowned than to witness someone else sinning. I sure hope we don't hear about these people on CNN one day, but I imagine nevertheless that some of the religious-based murders we sometimes hear are grounded in beliefs like this. Anybody know what group originates this incredible doggerel? Randy (WA4FJF) |
"Gray Shockley" wrote in message ... On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:33:00 -0500, Randy Padawer wrote (in message ) : Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10, 2003. Here's an excerpt: It may be KJES, a station on which I have no information (and would appreciate some). Appears to be in the Southwest USA. Gray Glenn Hauser has mentioned KJES in a few DX Listening Digests: http://www.dxing.com/dxr/dxld2140.htm "* U S A. LITTLE KNOWN KJES IN VADO, NEW MEXICO, IS FIRST U.S. CATHOLIC SHORTWAVE STATION' "By Dr. Hansjeorg Biener. From his Medien Aktuell: Kirche im Rundfunk, February 2002. © Copyright 2002 and reprinted with permission." "Vado, New Mexico (Medien Aktuell) -- At the end of 1989 and beginning of 1990, North American shortwave fans notice the first test transmissions of station KJES Missionary Radio Evangelism originating from a ranch operated by a Catholic priest for rehabilitating youth. In an interview he spoke of having two 50,000-watt shortwave transmitters, but that did not happen. On the contrary, the transmissions from the used transmitters were sporadic and did not happen regularly until 1992. The programs are essentially prayers, hymns, and readings." "KJES maintains an unvarying programming and frequency schedule, summer season and winter season, year after year. All times are UT, world time, same as London, which is six hours ahead of New York time (five in summer daylight saving time). [make that 5 and 4, respectively, but how is New York relevant in this??? -- gh]" 0200-0300 7555 kHz English to western Canada 0300-0330 7555 kHz English to central Canada 1400-1500 11715 kHz English to eastern Canada 1500-1600 11715 kHz English to western Canada 1600-1700 11715 kHz Spanish to Mexico 1900-2000 15385 kHz English to Australia 2000-2100 15385 kHz Spanish to Puerto Rico "Database: Las Cruces: KJES shortwave. Service to North America and Australia and the Pacific in English; Mexico, South America, and Puerto Rico in Spanish. (One 50,000-watt transmitter). Format: Recited psalms and prayers. Owner: Our Lord's Ranch, 230 High Valley Rd., Vado NM 88072. (505) 233-2090, fax 233-3019. Michael Reuter, g.m. Fr. Rick Thomas SJ, pres. See also El Paso, Tex. Founded about 1992. (In the Diocese of Las Cruces) (Catholic Radio Update Sept 9 via DXLD)" "KJES is run primarily for the benefit, it seems to me, of the young people recovering from tough times in life, and serves Canada and Australia in English and Mexico and Puerto Rico in Spanish a few hours a day (Michael Dorner, CRU via DXLD) Do they really say PR is the target? Why be so specific when, e.g., Florida, Cuba and D.R. are in the same direxion? (gh, DXLD)" About 10 years ago, Glenn Hauser said he was in the Vado area and decided to make an unannounced visit to the KJES transmitter site. It was deserted at the time. I suppose it's a real shoestring operation. Frank Dresser This is interesting. Having been raised catholic, and catching the KJES broadcasts frequently over the last 3 years, I would not have guessed these guys are Catholics. For one thing, I never catch them mentioning the Pope, Mary, or the Catholic church and its rules/doctrines. Those are usually the clear giveaways. In my experience, a religious broadcaster who can go 20 minutes without mentioning any of those *was* invariably a Protestant. But who knows? This outfit may be one of the dissidents that have arisen from time to time after Vatican 2. Or maybe these guys were against diddling little boys... -- Col. I.P. Yurin Commissariat of Internal Security Stakhanovite Order of Lenin (1937) Hero of Socialist Labor (1939) |
If I followed their Biblical advice, then I'd probably enter heaven as a
eunuch. Note that the entity's president is a Jesuit. I understand the Jesuits were finally kicked out of the RCC for their extremist actions. Certainly they were the ones who accompanied the Spanish explorers 500 years ago and did bad things to Mesoamerican societies and burned their books. Bill, K5BY |
"I. P. Yurin" wrote in message ... This is interesting. Having been raised catholic, and catching the KJES broadcasts frequently over the last 3 years, I would not have guessed these guys are Catholics. For one thing, I never catch them mentioning the Pope, Mary, or the Catholic church and its rules/doctrines. Those are usually the clear giveaways. In my experience, a religious broadcaster who can go 20 minutes without mentioning any of those *was* invariably a Protestant. That is curious. I was raised Protestant, and it sounded like it could be rather Catholic to me. But my Grandmother was raised Catholic, and she described the chants and such. Back then, I guess it was all in Latin. I have the impression that traditional Catholic teaching is more oral than the Protestant teaching. But who knows? This outfit may be one of the dissidents that have arisen from time to time after Vatican 2. Could be. Years ago, I'd hear things like "The Church sure has declined since they dropped the requirement for the Latin Mass." Followed by, "Oh, but you wouldn't understand." Or maybe these guys were against diddling little boys... I'm sure most of 'em were. But it's remarkable how much bad behavior insiders can get away with. -- Col. I.P. Yurin Commissariat of Internal Security Stakhanovite Order of Lenin (1937) Hero of Socialist Labor (1939) Frank Dresser |
"tommyknocker" wrote in message ... I don't think that KJES (it means King Jesus Eternal Savior) is as strictly Catholic as WEWN Eternal Word Network. They may claim to be Catholics, but they're more radical. Seems way too radical for Catholics, indeed. Their pastors are usually not the "fire and brimstone" types... just the opposite, as I recall from my Irish Catholic upbringing... maybe these are some radical offshoot? Jackie |
"Randy Padawer" wrote in message m... Thanks, all. Well, I've certainly revealed my scriptural ignorance today, LOL. That just sounded so extreme to me, and when chanted (responsive reading group-style) sounded really way out. Thanks for clarifying and for the information. Randy (WA4FJF) Considering the strangeness we've seen attributed to the Talmud on this group, Biblical trolling was the first thing that popped in my mind. Sorry 'bout that! Frank Dresse |
"WShoots1" wrote in message ... If I followed their Biblical advice, then I'd probably enter heaven as a eunuch. Note that the entity's president is a Jesuit. I understand the Jesuits were finally kicked out of the RCC for their extremist actions. Certainly they were the ones who accompanied the Spanish explorers 500 years ago and did bad things to Mesoamerican societies and burned their books. Bill, K5BY As far as I know, the Jesuits are in good standing with the Catholic Church. I believe the Pope has disciplined a Bishop in France, but that was a few years ago, and I don't follow that stuff closely. Some SW broadcaster claimed the Jesuits are a CIA-like orginization who will, or already have, engineered either the Antichrist or the False Prophet into the Papacy. Sounds like something James Lloyd would say, but if the story has been floating around the usual credulous sources, it could have been any of several. Frank Dresser |
Sigh, Clete... I'm not against the Bible and neither am I
adverse from learning, I just didn't realize I was quoting from the Bible. I apologize for my ignorance -- I honestly thought what I was hearing was pretty unusual. By the way, is ridicule and third-person contempt the usual way you attempt to reach people like me who don't know this stuff? I'm glad they never treated me this way when I studied for my ham license -- I can hear it now... "Sigh... another human who cannot accept the supremacy of Morse code... Sigh... another human who can't understand inductive reactance even after the tenth explanation... Sigh... another human who failed his General written portion because he didn't study hard enough (back in 1977 when the tests were still administered at the FCC field office, and the questions weren't distributed in advance)... Sigh..." Sigh, Randy (WA4FJF) "Clete" wrote in message ... Sigh...another human who cannot accept the preachings from the bible....There are verses in the King James Bible that preach similar things. If you don't like it, that is your problem... Clete |
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 03:45:49 GMT, I. P. Yurin
wrote: This is interesting. Having been raised catholic, and catching the KJES broadcasts frequently over the last 3 years, I would not have guessed these guys are Catholics. For one thing, I never catch them mentioning the Pope, Mary, or the Catholic church and its rules/doctrines. Those are usually the clear giveaways. In my experience, a religious broadcaster who can go 20 minutes without mentioning any of those *was* invariably a Protestant. I wouldn't have guessed Catholic either. I haven't listened to them lately, but when I first ran across them years ago they used the name Yahweh all the time, so I was imagining them as some sort of Old Testament fundamentalists. |
Jackie wrote:
"tommyknocker" wrote in message ... I don't think that KJES (it means King Jesus Eternal Savior) is as strictly Catholic as WEWN Eternal Word Network. They may claim to be Catholics, but they're more radical. Seems way too radical for Catholics, indeed. Their pastors are usually not the "fire and brimstone" types... just the opposite, as I recall from my Irish Catholic upbringing... maybe these are some radical offshoot? Jackie I'm reminded of the end of the world cult in Uganda that committed mass suicide three and a half years ago. They claimed to be Catholics too. |
Well stated Randy. You are correct in your observations.
mike On 11 Sep 2003 12:20:42 -0700, (Randy Padawer) wrote: By the way, is ridicule and third-person contempt the usual way you attempt to reach people like me who don't know this stuff? |
Smeter wrote:
FWIW, I think they are quoting scripture accurately, except for the part about the kid that I never heard. There are all kinds and degrees of views, and a lot needs to be taken with a grain of salt. HAHAHAHAHA!! I get it! Lot...salt... Good one! |
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:54:04 -0500, Gray Shockley wrote
(in message ): It may be KJES, a station on which I have no information (and would appreciate some). Appears to be in the Southwest USA. Gray -------------------------------------------------------- Many thanks to all of you who helped me with KJES information. Gray Shockley ----------------------- DX-392 DX-398 RX-320 DX-399 Torus Tuner (3-13 MHz) Select-A-Tenna ----------------------- Vicksburg, MS US |
Randy,
Forgive me if someone else has already given you the reference to those scriptures you "quoted" but I haven't taken time to read all the replies to this. Since you don't use any thee's and thou's I'm assuming it is NOT from the King James Version and will just give you the New American Standard Bible version. Part of it comes from three of the first four books of the New Testament. I'll just site the first book, Matthew, for now. It also comes from one of the most famous sermons Jesus Christ ever preached -- probably THE most famous, The Sermon on the Mount which is covered in Matthew chapters 5, 6 and 7. Matt. 5:29 "And if your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out, and throw it from you; for it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. Matt. 5:30 "And if your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off, and throw it from you; for it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than for your whole body to go into hell. That last paragraph seems just a bit twisted or reversed. :-) Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. You may want to read some preceding and following that verse to get the gist of the message. Hope that helps. I notice someone already told you who was probably broadcasting. Al ============== Randy Padawer wrote: Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10, 2003. Here's an excerpt: "If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire." "And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell." Another verse I don't even want to directly quote -- the gist of it was that it would be better for a child to have a millstone put around his neck and drowned than to witness someone else sinning. I sure hope we don't hear about these people on CNN one day, but I imagine nevertheless that some of the religious-based murders we sometimes hear are grounded in beliefs like this. Anybody know what group originates this incredible doggerel? Randy (WA4FJF) |
Thank you, Al, I had no idea that was the Sermon on the Mount. (I
have certainly heard the title of that sermon and could have filled in the blank if tested -- "Sermon on the _______" -- although I obviously have demonstrated my overall ignorance.) Thank you again, and I hope I didn't offend too many people. Randy (WA4FJF) Al Patrick wrote in message ... It also comes from one of the most famous sermons Jesus Christ ever preached -- probably THE most famous, The Sermon on the Mount which is covered in Matthew chapters 5, 6 and 7. |
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