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Mitchell Regenbogen September 22nd 03 11:20 PM

ICF-2001D without USB/LSB buttons?
 
I just agreed to buy an ICF-2001D on ebay. I was under the impression,
from reading around the net that the 2001D is the same as the 2010. But I
noticed after the auction was over that the unit is missing the Air band
as well as the USB/LSB buttons next to the Wide/Narrow/Sync buttons. What
the hell did I buy???

Thanks for any info.

J Rob September 22nd 03 11:29 PM

What the hell did I buy?

My 2001 (no D) doesn't have the features that you mention. It's a hunk of radio
but not worth over $50.00.

Rob Mills ~ Tulsa
PS, Any one want to buy it?



John Crabtree September 22nd 03 11:50 PM

Mitchell Regenbogen on 9/22/03 wrote:

I just agreed to buy an ICF-2001D on ebay. I was under the
impression, from reading around the net that the 2001D is the
same as the 2010. But I noticed after the auction was over
that the unit is missing the Air band as well as the USB/LSB
buttons next to the Wide/Narrow/Sync buttons. What
the hell did I buy???

Thanks for any info.


There are at least 6 versions of the ICF-2001D/2010 with different frequency
coverages and inclusion/exclusion of SSB. Clearly you have bought a version
without certain features, quite possibly one designed for use in part of the
Middle East.

Versions of the radio with Airband coverage have a small additional PCB, which
makes the addition of this capability almost impossible. If you find that you
do not have the full LW/SW/FM frequency coverage then this can be restored by
removing or adding (I am not sure which) solder bridges on one of the printed
circuit boards.

If you are brave, then it might be possible to modify the case and two buttons
for USB and LSB. You need to start by getting a service manual. I recall
reading somewhere that somebody had done this but I cannot find the details.
You would need to do a lot of investigating first.

Finally I suggest joining the icf2010 group at Yahoo groups, and looking
through the archives

73 John KC0GGH


Mitchell Regenbogen September 22nd 03 11:56 PM

The 2001 has no relation to the 2001D.

(J Rob) wrote in
:

What the hell did I buy?


My 2001 (no D) doesn't have the features that you mention. It's a hunk
of radio but not worth over $50.00.

Rob Mills ~ Tulsa
PS, Any one want to buy it?



Mitchell Regenbogen September 22nd 03 11:58 PM

Thanks. I've certainly seen many models without the Air band, and that
doesn't bother me much, but none without the USB/LSB buttons, so I
didn't really look for that when bidding on the auction. My fault, I
guess.

(John Crabtree) wrote in
:

Mitchell Regenbogen
on 9/22/03 wrote:

I just agreed to buy an ICF-2001D on ebay. I was under the
impression, from reading around the net that the 2001D is the
same as the 2010. But I noticed after the auction was over
that the unit is missing the Air band as well as the USB/LSB
buttons next to the Wide/Narrow/Sync buttons. What
the hell did I buy???

Thanks for any info.


There are at least 6 versions of the ICF-2001D/2010 with different
frequency coverages and inclusion/exclusion of SSB. Clearly you have
bought a version without certain features, quite possibly one designed
for use in part of the Middle East.

Versions of the radio with Airband coverage have a small additional
PCB, which makes the addition of this capability almost impossible.
If you find that you do not have the full LW/SW/FM frequency coverage
then this can be restored by removing or adding (I am not sure which)
solder bridges on one of the printed circuit boards.

If you are brave, then it might be possible to modify the case and two
buttons for USB and LSB. You need to start by getting a service
manual. I recall reading somewhere that somebody had done this but I
cannot find the details. You would need to do a lot of investigating
first.

Finally I suggest joining the icf2010 group at Yahoo groups, and
looking through the archives

73 John KC0GGH


J Rob September 23rd 03 12:10 AM

The 2001 has no relation to the 2001D.

No one said it did.

Mitchell Regenbogen September 23rd 03 02:03 AM

(J Rob) wrote in news:20030922191011.11941.00000032@mb-
m01.aol.com:

The 2001 has no relation to the 2001D.


No one said it did.


Well, when a question is posted about the 2001D, and someone answers
talking about the 2001, it's pretty obvious the poster thinks they're
related.

RHF September 23rd 03 03:08 AM

MR,

If you are talking about eBay Auction Item # 3046839892
- - - YES it is a Sony ICF-2001D but not a fully functioning Sony ICF-2010.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3046839892
- - - NO Air Band
- - - NO USB & LSB Buttoms

Also, this Sony ICF-2001D is not a fully functioning Sony ICF-2010.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3045847388


A. Here are some pictures of the Sony ICF-2010
- - - Made for the North American Market - Circa 1985-2003
http://www.dxing.com/rx/icf2003.htm
http://www.n0qds.org/radios/640/Sony2010.JPG
http://www.dxing.com/rx/sy2010.jpg
http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...table/0841.jpg


B. Here are some pictures of the Sony ICF-2001D
- - - Made for the "Rest of the World" - Circa 1985-2003
http://www.rigpix.com/sony/sony_icf2001d.htm
http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/icf2001d.html
http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/icf2001d.jpg


C. Here are some pictures of the 'original' Sony ICF-2001
- - - An Older Sony Radio - Circa 1980-1983
http://www.rigpix.com/sony/sony_icf2001.htm
http://www.dxing.com/rx/icf2001.htm


TBL: When it comes to the Sony ICF-2010
- All Sony ICF-2010 are Created Equal for the North American Market.
- - All Sony ICF-2001Ds are Not Equal to the Sony ICF-2010.
- - - It pays to check-out the details and know the difference.


OBTW: Here is a Link to the Sony ICF-2010 eGroup on YAHOO!
GoTo= http://groups.yahoo.com/group/icf2010/


~ RHF
..
..
= = = Mitchell Regenbogen
= = = wrote in message ...
Thanks. I've certainly seen many models without the Air band, and that
doesn't bother me much, but none without the USB/LSB buttons, so I
didn't really look for that when bidding on the auction. My fault, I
guess.

(John Crabtree) wrote in
:

Mitchell Regenbogen
on 9/22/03 wrote:

I just agreed to buy an ICF-2001D on ebay. I was under the
impression, from reading around the net that the 2001D is the
same as the 2010. But I noticed after the auction was over
that the unit is missing the Air band as well as the USB/LSB
buttons next to the Wide/Narrow/Sync buttons. What
the hell did I buy???

Thanks for any info.


There are at least 6 versions of the ICF-2001D/2010 with different
frequency coverages and inclusion/exclusion of SSB. Clearly you have
bought a version without certain features, quite possibly one designed
for use in part of the Middle East.

Versions of the radio with Airband coverage have a small additional
PCB, which makes the addition of this capability almost impossible.
If you find that you do not have the full LW/SW/FM frequency coverage
then this can be restored by removing or adding (I am not sure which)
solder bridges on one of the printed circuit boards.

If you are brave, then it might be possible to modify the case and two
buttons for USB and LSB. You need to start by getting a service
manual. I recall reading somewhere that somebody had done this but I
cannot find the details. You would need to do a lot of investigating
first.

Finally I suggest joining the icf2010 group at Yahoo groups, and
looking through the archives

73 John KC0GGH


J Rob September 23rd 03 04:05 AM

it's pretty obvious the poster thinks they're related
and quite often 2001's are passed off as something like 2010's, which is what I
thought may have happened to you.



Mitchell Regenbogen September 23rd 03 12:07 PM

(J Rob) wrote in
:

it's pretty obvious the poster thinks they're related

and quite often 2001's are passed off as something like 2010's, which
is what I thought may have happened to you.


No, what happpened to me was entirely my fault. I knew that there were
2001D's out there without the Air band, but I didn't know that there were
versions without USB/LSB. All the seller did was say it was a 2001D in
excellent condition, and posted an accurate photo that showed the lack of
Air band button and the missing USB/LSB buttons. If I looked carefully I
would have asked questions BEFORE I bid.

Mitchell Regenbogen September 23rd 03 12:10 PM

Thanks, but as you can see, ALL of the 2001D photos you posted have the
USB/LSB buttons, unlike the one I've managed to purchase. :-(

(RHF) wrote in
om:

MR,

If you are talking about eBay Auction Item # 3046839892
- - - YES it is a Sony ICF-2001D but not a fully functioning Sony
ICF-2010.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3046839892 - - - NO
Air Band - - - NO USB & LSB Buttoms

Also, this Sony ICF-2001D is not a fully functioning Sony ICF-2010.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3045847388


A. Here are some pictures of the Sony ICF-2010
- - - Made for the North American Market - Circa 1985-2003
http://www.dxing.com/rx/icf2003.htm
http://www.n0qds.org/radios/640/Sony2010.JPG
http://www.dxing.com/rx/sy2010.jpg
http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...table/0841.jpg


B. Here are some pictures of the Sony ICF-2001D
- - - Made for the "Rest of the World" - Circa 1985-2003
http://www.rigpix.com/sony/sony_icf2001d.htm
http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/icf2001d.html
http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/icf2001d.jpg


C. Here are some pictures of the 'original' Sony ICF-2001
- - - An Older Sony Radio - Circa 1980-1983
http://www.rigpix.com/sony/sony_icf2001.htm
http://www.dxing.com/rx/icf2001.htm


TBL: When it comes to the Sony ICF-2010
- All Sony ICF-2010 are Created Equal for the North American Market.
- - All Sony ICF-2001Ds are Not Equal to the Sony ICF-2010.
- - - It pays to check-out the details and know the difference.


OBTW: Here is a Link to the Sony ICF-2010 eGroup on YAHOO!
GoTo= http://groups.yahoo.com/group/icf2010/


~ RHF
.
.
= = = Mitchell Regenbogen
= = = wrote in message
.. .
Thanks. I've certainly seen many models without the Air band, and
that doesn't bother me much, but none without the USB/LSB buttons, so
I didn't really look for that when bidding on the auction. My fault,
I guess.

(John Crabtree) wrote in
:

Mitchell Regenbogen
on 9/22/03 wrote:

I just agreed to buy an ICF-2001D on ebay. I was under the
impression, from reading around the net that the 2001D is the
same as the 2010. But I noticed after the auction was over
that the unit is missing the Air band as well as the USB/LSB
buttons next to the Wide/Narrow/Sync buttons. What
the hell did I buy???

Thanks for any info.

There are at least 6 versions of the ICF-2001D/2010 with different
frequency coverages and inclusion/exclusion of SSB. Clearly you
have bought a version without certain features, quite possibly one
designed for use in part of the Middle East.

Versions of the radio with Airband coverage have a small additional
PCB, which makes the addition of this capability almost impossible.
If you find that you do not have the full LW/SW/FM frequency
coverage then this can be restored by removing or adding (I am not
sure which) solder bridges on one of the printed circuit boards.

If you are brave, then it might be possible to modify the case and
two buttons for USB and LSB. You need to start by getting a
service manual. I recall reading somewhere that somebody had done
this but I cannot find the details. You would need to do a lot of
investigating first.

Finally I suggest joining the icf2010 group at Yahoo groups, and
looking through the archives

73 John KC0GGH



RHF September 24th 03 06:28 AM

MR,

Technically: you are right, You Are Right. YOU ARE RIGHT !

So you may have the only Sony ICF-2001D (Without "SSB" Selector
Buttons) that 'exists' in North America.

But at least for now a Photo/Image of the Sony ICF-2001D (Without
"SSB" Selector Buttons) does 'exist' on the WWW for a several days.

where, Where. WHERE !
GoTo= http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3046839892
- Yes, IT can be seen on eBay Auction Item # 3046839892
- - IT being a Sony ICF-2001D (Without "SSB" Selector Buttons)
- - - And... You Own IT !


~ RHF
..
..
= = = Mitchell Regenbogen
= = = wrote in message ...
Thanks, but as you can see, ALL of the 2001D photos you posted have the
USB/LSB buttons, unlike the one I've managed to purchase. :-(

(RHF) wrote in
om:

MR,

If you are talking about eBay Auction Item # 3046839892
- - - YES it is a Sony ICF-2001D but not a fully functioning Sony
ICF-2010.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3046839892 - - - NO
Air Band - - - NO USB & LSB Buttoms

Also, this Sony ICF-2001D is not a fully functioning Sony ICF-2010.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3045847388


A. Here are some pictures of the Sony ICF-2010
- - - Made for the North American Market - Circa 1985-2003
http://www.dxing.com/rx/icf2003.htm
http://www.n0qds.org/radios/640/Sony2010.JPG
http://www.dxing.com/rx/sy2010.jpg
http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...table/0841.jpg


B. Here are some pictures of the Sony ICF-2001D
- - - Made for the "Rest of the World" - Circa 1985-2003
http://www.rigpix.com/sony/sony_icf2001d.htm
http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/icf2001d.html
http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/icf2001d.jpg


C. Here are some pictures of the 'original' Sony ICF-2001
- - - An Older Sony Radio - Circa 1980-1983
http://www.rigpix.com/sony/sony_icf2001.htm
http://www.dxing.com/rx/icf2001.htm


TBL: When it comes to the Sony ICF-2010
- All Sony ICF-2010 are Created Equal for the North American Market.
- - All Sony ICF-2001Ds are Not Equal to the Sony ICF-2010.
- - - It pays to check-out the details and know the difference.


OBTW: Here is a Link to the Sony ICF-2010 eGroup on YAHOO!
GoTo= http://groups.yahoo.com/group/icf2010/


~ RHF
.
.
= = = Mitchell Regenbogen
= = = wrote in message
.. .
Thanks. I've certainly seen many models without the Air band, and
that doesn't bother me much, but none without the USB/LSB buttons, so
I didn't really look for that when bidding on the auction. My fault,
I guess.

(John Crabtree) wrote in
:

Mitchell Regenbogen
on 9/22/03 wrote:

I just agreed to buy an ICF-2001D on ebay. I was under the
impression, from reading around the net that the 2001D is the
same as the 2010. But I noticed after the auction was over
that the unit is missing the Air band as well as the USB/LSB
buttons next to the Wide/Narrow/Sync buttons. What
the hell did I buy???

Thanks for any info.

There are at least 6 versions of the ICF-2001D/2010 with different
frequency coverages and inclusion/exclusion of SSB. Clearly you
have bought a version without certain features, quite possibly one
designed for use in part of the Middle East.

Versions of the radio with Airband coverage have a small additional
PCB, which makes the addition of this capability almost impossible.
If you find that you do not have the full LW/SW/FM frequency
coverage then this can be restored by removing or adding (I am not
sure which) solder bridges on one of the printed circuit boards.

If you are brave, then it might be possible to modify the case and
two buttons for USB and LSB. You need to start by getting a
service manual. I recall reading somewhere that somebody had done
this but I cannot find the details. You would need to do a lot of
investigating first.

Finally I suggest joining the icf2010 group at Yahoo groups, and
looking through the archives

73 John KC0GGH



Mitchell Regenbogen September 24th 03 12:18 PM

You see -- it's not always good to be right...

(RHF) wrote in news:e5e13af8.0309232128.28fc6032
@posting.google.com:

MR,

Technically: you are right, You Are Right. YOU ARE RIGHT !

So you may have the only Sony ICF-2001D (Without "SSB" Selector
Buttons) that 'exists' in North America.

But at least for now a Photo/Image of the Sony ICF-2001D (Without
"SSB" Selector Buttons) does 'exist' on the WWW for a several days.

where, Where. WHERE !
GoTo=
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3046839892
- Yes, IT can be seen on eBay Auction Item # 3046839892
- - IT being a Sony ICF-2001D (Without "SSB" Selector Buttons)
- - - And... You Own IT !


~ RHF
.
.
= = = Mitchell Regenbogen
= = = wrote in message news:Xns93FF48F9A60E1mregpanixcom@

166.84.1.70...
Thanks, but as you can see, ALL of the 2001D photos you posted have

the
USB/LSB buttons, unlike the one I've managed to purchase. :-(

(RHF) wrote in
om:

MR,

If you are talking about eBay Auction Item # 3046839892
- - - YES it is a Sony ICF-2001D but not a fully functioning Sony
ICF-2010.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3046839892 - - -

NO
Air Band - - - NO USB & LSB Buttoms

Also, this Sony ICF-2001D is not a fully functioning Sony ICF-2010.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3045847388


A. Here are some pictures of the Sony ICF-2010
- - - Made for the North American Market - Circa 1985-2003
http://www.dxing.com/rx/icf2003.htm
http://www.n0qds.org/radios/640/Sony2010.JPG
http://www.dxing.com/rx/sy2010.jpg
http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...table/0841.jpg


B. Here are some pictures of the Sony ICF-2001D
- - - Made for the "Rest of the World" - Circa 1985-2003
http://www.rigpix.com/sony/sony_icf2001d.htm
http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/icf2001d.html
http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/icf2001d.jpg


C. Here are some pictures of the 'original' Sony ICF-2001
- - - An Older Sony Radio - Circa 1980-1983
http://www.rigpix.com/sony/sony_icf2001.htm
http://www.dxing.com/rx/icf2001.htm


TBL: When it comes to the Sony ICF-2010
- All Sony ICF-2010 are Created Equal for the North American

Market.
- - All Sony ICF-2001Ds are Not Equal to the Sony ICF-2010.
- - - It pays to check-out the details and know the difference.


OBTW: Here is a Link to the Sony ICF-2010 eGroup on YAHOO!
GoTo= http://groups.yahoo.com/group/icf2010/


~ RHF
.
.
= = = Mitchell Regenbogen
= = = wrote in message
.. .
Thanks. I've certainly seen many models without the Air band, and
that doesn't bother me much, but none without the USB/LSB buttons,

so
I didn't really look for that when bidding on the auction. My

fault,
I guess.

(John Crabtree) wrote in
:

Mitchell Regenbogen
on 9/22/03 wrote:

I just agreed to buy an ICF-2001D on ebay. I was under the
impression, from reading around the net that the 2001D is the
same as the 2010. But I noticed after the auction was over
that the unit is missing the Air band as well as the USB/LSB
buttons next to the Wide/Narrow/Sync buttons. What
the hell did I buy???

Thanks for any info.

There are at least 6 versions of the ICF-2001D/2010 with

different
frequency coverages and inclusion/exclusion of SSB. Clearly you
have bought a version without certain features, quite possibly

one
designed for use in part of the Middle East.

Versions of the radio with Airband coverage have a small

additional
PCB, which makes the addition of this capability almost

impossible.
If you find that you do not have the full LW/SW/FM frequency
coverage then this can be restored by removing or adding (I am

not
sure which) solder bridges on one of the printed circuit boards.

If you are brave, then it might be possible to modify the case

and
two buttons for USB and LSB. You need to start by getting a
service manual. I recall reading somewhere that somebody had

done
this but I cannot find the details. You would need to do a lot

of
investigating first.

Finally I suggest joining the icf2010 group at Yahoo groups, and
looking through the archives

73 John KC0GGH



matt weber September 25th 03 01:20 AM

There are about 4 different versions of the 2001D/2010, all are
covered in the Same Sony Service Manual. If it doesn't support SSB, it
is the Saudi Model, which also won't have an operating air band, and
has some holes in the coverage from 1-30Mhz in some strange places.

The variations all involves features and "holes", and in general, if
you have the service manaual, you can re-enable the missing features
by installing/removing the jumpers that control them.

So while all 2001D's are not necessarily the same as a US 2010 model,
all CAN be made the same.....


On 22 Sep 2003 19:08:05 -0700, (RHF) wrote:

MR,

If you are talking about eBay Auction Item # 3046839892
- - - YES it is a Sony ICF-2001D but not a fully functioning Sony ICF-2010.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3046839892
- - - NO Air Band
- - - NO USB & LSB Buttoms

Also, this Sony ICF-2001D is not a fully functioning Sony ICF-2010.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3045847388


A. Here are some pictures of the Sony ICF-2010
- - - Made for the North American Market - Circa 1985-2003
http://www.dxing.com/rx/icf2003.htm
http://www.n0qds.org/radios/640/Sony2010.JPG
http://www.dxing.com/rx/sy2010.jpg
http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...table/0841.jpg


B. Here are some pictures of the Sony ICF-2001D
- - - Made for the "Rest of the World" - Circa 1985-2003
http://www.rigpix.com/sony/sony_icf2001d.htm
http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/icf2001d.html
http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/icf2001d.jpg


C. Here are some pictures of the 'original' Sony ICF-2001
- - - An Older Sony Radio - Circa 1980-1983
http://www.rigpix.com/sony/sony_icf2001.htm
http://www.dxing.com/rx/icf2001.htm


TBL: When it comes to the Sony ICF-2010
- All Sony ICF-2010 are Created Equal for the North American Market.
- - All Sony ICF-2001Ds are Not Equal to the Sony ICF-2010.
- - - It pays to check-out the details and know the difference.


OBTW: Here is a Link to the Sony ICF-2010 eGroup on YAHOO!
GoTo= http://groups.yahoo.com/group/icf2010/


~ RHF
.
.
= = = Mitchell Regenbogen
= = = wrote in message ...
Thanks. I've certainly seen many models without the Air band, and that
doesn't bother me much, but none without the USB/LSB buttons, so I
didn't really look for that when bidding on the auction. My fault, I
guess.

(John Crabtree) wrote in
:

Mitchell Regenbogen
on 9/22/03 wrote:

I just agreed to buy an ICF-2001D on ebay. I was under the
impression, from reading around the net that the 2001D is the
same as the 2010. But I noticed after the auction was over
that the unit is missing the Air band as well as the USB/LSB
buttons next to the Wide/Narrow/Sync buttons. What
the hell did I buy???

Thanks for any info.

There are at least 6 versions of the ICF-2001D/2010 with different
frequency coverages and inclusion/exclusion of SSB. Clearly you have
bought a version without certain features, quite possibly one designed
for use in part of the Middle East.

Versions of the radio with Airband coverage have a small additional
PCB, which makes the addition of this capability almost impossible.
If you find that you do not have the full LW/SW/FM frequency coverage
then this can be restored by removing or adding (I am not sure which)
solder bridges on one of the printed circuit boards.

If you are brave, then it might be possible to modify the case and two
buttons for USB and LSB. You need to start by getting a service
manual. I recall reading somewhere that somebody had done this but I
cannot find the details. You would need to do a lot of investigating
first.

Finally I suggest joining the icf2010 group at Yahoo groups, and
looking through the archives

73 John KC0GGH



matt weber September 25th 03 01:21 AM

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:07:31 +0000 (UTC), Mitchell Regenbogen
wrote:

(J Rob) wrote in
:

it's pretty obvious the poster thinks they're related

and quite often 2001's are passed off as something like 2010's, which
is what I thought may have happened to you.


No, what happpened to me was entirely my fault. I knew that there were
2001D's out there without the Air band, but I didn't know that there were
versions without USB/LSB. All the seller did was say it was a 2001D in
excellent condition, and posted an accurate photo that showed the lack of
Air band button and the missing USB/LSB buttons. If I looked carefully I
would have asked questions BEFORE I bid.

What you got was the version for Saudi Arabia, it lacks SSB, Air Band,
and also has some holes in the HF coverage as well. If you can find
(or purchase), the 2001D/2010 service manual, you can get those
features back. They have been disable by installation or, by removal
of jumpers.

starman September 26th 03 07:55 AM

matt weber wrote:

What you got was the version for Saudi Arabia, it lacks SSB, Air Band,
and also has some holes in the HF coverage as well. If you can find
(or purchase), the 2001D/2010 service manual, you can get those
features back. They have been disable by installation or, by removal
of jumpers.


He said it doesn't have the USB/LSB buttons, so even if he does restore
the jumpers, how can he get SSB?


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