Soliloquy wrote:

Clock trivia, notice the display on clocks that use Roman numerals. It
goes I, II, III, IIII, IV, V, VI, VII, IX, X, XI, XII. Standard Roman
numerals denote IIII as IV. The Non-Standard application above is used to
keep symmetry in the display, keeping the character use in units of 4. (4
all Is, 4 with Vs, 4 with Xs) Not all clock with Roman numerals use this
system, but the use is widespread..


I've never seen a clock face with IIII AND IV on it.

In article . edu, William
Mutch writes:


Where I work there is a clock who'se face has been altered to
read:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C


Nice !!!
:)

William Mutch wrote in
ell.edu:

We have PLCs at work, Allen Bradley, and they use Octal for the numbering
system. For the longest time, I wondered why the electronics department
have the schematics hand scribbled "actual slot 8" for the slot that the
schematic has labeled as having an address of 10. It's quite easy using
the octal addresses.

Fortunately we don't do any programming, so all we need to do is to find
the correct input/output and look for voltages and logic states.

Now Hex, I think that would make things a little harder for me to
understand. But I like the clock idea, that would be a great conversation
piece.

Regards



In article ,
says...

"snip"

The arbitrary sacrifice of Analog Displays by the younger generations
is truly a sad thing. I have seen teenagers unable to tell the time
on an analog clock.

We do not have digital minds, and digital electronics are not
necessarily bringing the bliss to society that the modern public has
been programmed...

Where I work there is a clock who'se face has been altered to
read:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in
:

Am I missing something? I notice that you have capitalized "AND" in the
sentence excerpt "IIII AND IV on it."

I've never seen a clock with both on it either. But the IIII or the IV are
common Roman numeral markings on clocks.

Regards.




Soliloquy wrote:

Clock trivia, notice the display on clocks that use Roman numerals.
It goes I, II, III, IIII, IV, V, VI, VII, IX, X, XI, XII. Standard
Roman numerals denote IIII as IV. The Non-Standard application above
is used to keep symmetry in the display, keeping the character use in
units of 4. (4 all Is, 4 with Vs, 4 with Xs) Not all clock with Roman
numerals use this system, but the use is widespread..


I've never seen a clock face with IIII AND IV on it.

Panasonic RF- 2600, 2800, 2900, 4800, 4900

Sony ICF- 6500W, 6800W CRF-1, 320A, 330K

Thanks, Starman. I must admit my experience has been with comm receivers, not
shortwavers. Bob also pretty much answered my question, Panasonic-wise.

And, Bob, I'd buy your dream receiver. I'd want one little thing, though: an
antenna trimmer.

And they can leave out the battery power option. A serious receiver wouldn't be
operated portable, not here anyhow. I don't even operate my DX-392 portable.
(It eats D cells.) Now I would want a slope-faced case. The usual little stands
are too much angle. Or else, make the stands adjustable.

Bill, K5BY

I've never seen a Roman numeral clock without an VIII, either. G

Bill, KVBY

Then there's the Aggie clock (clockwise):

12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

Bill, K5BY

WShoots1 wrote:

I've never seen a Roman numeral clock without an VIII, either. G

Bill, KVBY

I guess if you put 4 on there twice, you have to drop one of them.

But I do remember seeing a clock with each hour marked "5" and the face read "No Cocktails before 5 O'clock"

You can add a digital dial to many radios by getting a kit from

http://www.aade.com/

I haven't tried any yet myself, but I'd sure like to.

Doug, K8RFT


"WShoots1" wrote in message
...
Stinger: I think the Grundig S350 is exactly that. I haven't used one,
but
that is what I understand the features are.

No, the 350 is about like the jWIN, tuning-wise. What I'd like is an
analog
dial with analog tuning, but with a digital readout to provide the actual
frequency (as opposed to using crystal markers and analog dial
correction). It
would require an analog receiver, with a frequency counter that would read
the
freq diff between the LO and the IF output. Or something like that.

Bill, K5BY

piggy-back

Soliloquy wrote:

Clock trivia, notice the display on clocks that use Roman numerals.
It goes I, II, III, IIII, IV, V, VI, VII, IX, X, XI, XII. Standard
Roman numerals denote IIII as IV. The Non-Standard application above
is used to keep symmetry in the display, keeping the character use in
units of 4. (4 all Is, 4 with Vs, 4 with Xs) Not all clock with Roman
numerals use this system, but the use is widespread..

Although the IIII may add to symmetry of clock dials, this form of the
number does have historical precedent going back to the early Romans,
Etruscans, and the Hittites -- same for using VIIII for 9 (an 'additive'
system was a constant in early Roman numeration). The IV form (a
'subtractive' system) was probable adopted later. Consider for example
that it was not until the middle of the fifteenth century that the first
documented cases of the use of IX for 9 occur. The first use of the IV
was noted in the Middle Ages (?).

--
M2

In article , Mark S. Holden says...

WShoots1 wrote:

I've never seen a Roman numeral clock without an VIII, either. G

Bill, KVBY

I guess if you put 4 on there twice, you have to drop one of them.

But I do remember seeing a clock with each hour marked "5" and the face read "No
Cocktails before 5 O'clock"

There are also clocks that have the numbers facing backwards with the hands that
turn backwards. They're for barbershops so the patron can see the time by
looking at a reflection of it in the mirror.

elfa

elfa wrote:

In article , Mark S. Holden says...

WShoots1 wrote:

I've never seen a Roman numeral clock without an VIII, either. G

Bill, KVBY

I guess if you put 4 on there twice, you have to drop one of them.

But I do remember seeing a clock with each hour marked "5" and the face read "No
Cocktails before 5 O'clock"

There are also clocks that have the numbers facing backwards with the hands that
turn backwards. They're for barbershops so the patron can see the time by
looking at a reflection of it in the mirror.

elfa


The barber I went to as a kid had one, though they are quite common
in barbershops, as you say.

It's easy to make a backward-running electric clock. 99% of them use
a rotor surrounded by a shaded pole motor coil. Remove the coil and
flip it over, and the clock will run backwards.

Tony


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There are also clocks that have the numbers facing backwards with the hands
that turn backwards. They're for barbershops so the patron can see the time by
looking at a reflection of it in the mirror.

Shucks. And I thought that was an Aggie clock.

Bill, K5BY

In article , WShoots1 says...

There are also clocks that have the numbers facing backwards with the hands
that turn backwards. They're for barbershops so the patron can see the time by
looking at a reflection of it in the mirror.

Shucks. And I thought that was an Aggie clock.

Careful there....I'm an 'Aggie'. Univ Cal at Davis.

elfa



Bill, K5BY

elfa wrote in message ...
In article , Mark S. Holden says...

WShoots1 wrote:

I've never seen a Roman numeral clock without an VIII, either. G

Bill, KVBY

I guess if you put 4 on there twice, you have to drop one of them.

But I do remember seeing a clock with each hour marked "5" and the face read "No
Cocktails before 5 O'clock"

There are also clocks that have the numbers facing backwards with the hands that
turn backwards. They're for barbershops so the patron can see the time by
looking at a reflection of it in the mirror.

elfa


ELFA,

OMG !

- I thought the CCW Clocks

- - Were for those many people who

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elfa: Careful there....I'm an 'Aggie'. Univ Cal at Davis.

:-) Isn't UC-D more "agri?" Or had you been to Texas A&M?

I believe one of my twin grandsons is at UC-SLO. His major would make him an
"aggie" (lower case).

Bill, K5BY

In article , WShoots1 says...

elfa: Careful there....I'm an 'Aggie'. Univ Cal at Davis.

:-) Isn't UC-D more "agri?" Or had you been to Texas A&M?

Are you kidding? UCD's students have been known as Aggies since 1922. The
campus was founded in 1908 (originally known as "University Farm" and the all
male students were then called "Davis Farmers").



I believe one of my twin grandsons is at UC-SLO. His major would make him an
"aggie" (lower case).

I lived in SLO and take my word on it, it's not the agri oriented campus that
Davis is (or at least was when I graduated in 1967).

elfa



Bill, K5BY

Elfa: UCD's students have been known as Aggies since 1922. The campus was
founded in 1908 (originally known as "University Farm" and the all male
students were then called "Davis Farmers").

Thanks for the enlightenment. Although I spent the first half of my 73 years in
California, it was in So Cal. The closest I'd come to Davis was living a year
each on the Peninsula and in Marysville.

I know a lot of independent schools, including at least two "A&Ms" I know of,
became satellite campuses for major universities.

73,
Bill, K5BY
(Ex-W6BMM)

my dad was a ham. he had a clock that had 24 hours on it. it went around
only once in a day and read the hours directly from 1 to 24. he also had
a watch that was the same. this is how i learned to tell time as a kid.
once as a young kid in school i was hauled to the office and they called
my parents to come in to see them. they said that i must be retarded or
something because i couldnt even read the school clocks or tell time!
dad said "huh?" since when? he asked me what time it was and it was
true, i couldnt tell. dad was looking confused but then he smiled real
big and showed me his watch. "what does this say?" i told them that it
was 15:30. there you go! the school clocks only had half a day on them
and how can you expect a kindergartener to understand that? hell! i
almost got stuck on the short buss because of military time! i am doing
much better now.

elfa wrote in
:

This I never heard, but sounds interesting.



There are also clocks that have the numbers facing backwards with the
hands that turn backwards. They're for barbershops so the patron can
see the time by looking at a reflection of it in the mirror.

elfa

Michael Moore wrote in news:Ho96D2.Do5@campus-news-
reading.utoronto.ca:

I see that I have much to learn.



Although the IIII may add to symmetry of clock dials, this form of the
number does have historical precedent going back to the early Romans,
Etruscans, and the Hittites -- same for using VIIII for 9 (an 'additive'
system was a constant in early Roman numeration). The IV form (a
'subtractive' system) was probable adopted later. Consider for example
that it was not until the middle of the fifteenth century that the first
documented cases of the use of IX for 9 occur. The first use of the IV
was noted in the Middle Ages (?).

--
M2

"Sol": Apparently my Word isn't set to correct Roman numerals.

LOL

Thanks to Michael for that "subtractive" thing. I'd never thought of that,
either.

Although I'd learned the subtractive version in school, I recall always seeing
the additive Roman 4s and 9s on old clocks, clocks older than I am. G
Involving the subtractive versions does seem to make it harder for me to read
some large Roman numeral numbers, like copyright dates.

Bill, K5BY

In article , pierrot51
@hotmail.com says...
I have two very good digital tuning shortwave radios, one with synchronous
sideband, but I find myself choosing to play with and listen to the little
analog tuning portable I have most of the time. I like to be able to scan
the bands by hand with the dial and to see where I am. When I let the
digital do this automatically, it just doesn't seem the same. I just don't
derive the same pleasure from the digital tuning, and I have no plans to
ever be a part of digital radio.

Anyone else feel like that? Maybe it's because my first shortwave was in the
1960's.

I still find myself longing for the RadioShack DX-160 I had to sell
several years ago. No digital tuning, but the SOUND was GREAT! If I
want to zero in on a particular frequency, the digital tuning is a nice
thing to have, but if I just want to turn on the radio and listen just
for the sheer enjoyment of hearing the program, that old DX-160 was just
perfect.

Soon as I get some spare cash together, and get out from under some
bills, I think I'm gonna hit the TRW Swap Meet, do some surfing around
eBay, and see what kind of a bargain I can find. I have the perfect
place for it all picked out and ready....

--

-- //Steve//

Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS
Fountain Valley, CA
Email:
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