On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 00:21:24 +0000 (UTC), Richard G Amirault
wrote:

In rec.radio.scanner Dee D. Flint wrote:

: Contact the ARRL. They have data that shows that antennas have NO impact on
: property values. They also have data showing that, in general, property
: values are rising faster in areas without CCRs & HOAs than in areas with
: them.

I find that hard to believe. Do you really mean to say that a ham with 15
or 20 different antennas and two towers does *nothing* to the property
values of the houses next door?

Now that is one of those open ended questions and gets an "it all
depends" for an answer.

If you mean an installation such as
http://www.rogerhalstead.com/ham_files/Tower30.htm
The answer is no. In the photo there are beams for 20, 15, 10(1),
6(1), 2(2), and 440(2) for a total of 6. plus two verticals for 144
and 440 and a multi band vertical on a 32 foot tower for 9. Then
wire antennas for 75 (2) and 40 (1) for 12. Then three dishes for
satellite and microwave for 15 and two UHF TV antennas for a total of
17. It's not figured in the evaluation of our property as either a
plus or minus.

It's a rural subdivision that is heavily wooded. Except for a couple
of back yards and a corner lot the system is not readily visible. Yet
from half a mile away it stands out readily, being well above the tree
line. The house to the south just sold with nary a question as to the
antennas.

When I first installed the top mast one neighbor asked about it
falling over. We measured the distance and he was well outside the
radius. Plus they now call it the neighbor hood lightening rod as they
have seen it get hit at least twice while they were sitting in their
family room watching a storm. They also watch to see what we do when
the weather gets bad and have the local repeater on their scanner.

Nothing else in the neighborhood has been struck since I put it up.

You'll have to fix the return add due to dumb virus checkers, not spam
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Richard in Boston, MA, USA
N1JDU

"Midwest Kid" wrote:

"Dwight Stewart" wrote:
It does amaze me, Pappy, how many are
so willing to accept, and even defend,
additional restrictions on people's lives and
property in this supposedly free country of
ours.

Please show us one case where someone was
force (with a gun, knife, etc) to buy a home in
a CC&R neighborhood. No one is forced to
buy a home in CC&R. If you don't want
CC&R, move.


Nobody today was forced with a gun, knife, or whatever, to be born in this
country either, but we still have restrictions on the government's ability
to interfere with our lives (without having to move to get it). The same
cannot be said for CC&R's. These homeowners associations, and their CC&R's,
restrict our lives in ways our federal government would not even consider.
The only way to escape those restrictions is to move - in a country where
homeowners associations, and their CC&R's, are spreading to the point where
there may someday be no free place left to move to.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Midwest Kid" wrote:

(snip) Your property value doesn't mean
jack if you cannot SELL your home. There
are more people willing to look elsewhere
if my damn neighbor has some 20+ foot
tower in his/her back yard. (snip)


Do you have any reliable evidence of this? I've seen nothing that suggests
people aren't willing to purchase homes with antennas in the neighborhood.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Midwest Kid" wrote:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote:
Same organization has data showing it
doesn't affect the sale of homes either.

How about an organization that has a little
less bias toward allowing antennas.


Okay, how about that organization? Which organization has data showing
antennas in a neighborhood have a negative affect on the sale of homes?


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Midwest Kid" wrote:

My county just east of Indy has plenty of
non CC&R neighborhoods. (snip)


I worked in Indianapolis several years ago (as a security specialist for
DFAS in what was once Ft. Ben Harrision). Since the DoD supplied our
residence, we were not personally affected by CC&R's. However, we did
casually look into purchasing a house with the idea of possibly making that
area our home. During that process, we ran into several houses with CC&R's
(especially in the north-eastern part of town). But, on the south side of
town, none of the houses had a CC&R. That has probably changed today. But I
don't doubt the mostly open, mostly country, areas east of Indy are still
relatively free of CC&R's.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
et...
However, we did
casually look into purchasing a house with the idea of possibly making
that
area our home. During that process, we ran into several houses with
CC&R's (especially in the north-eastern part of town). But, on the south
side of town, none of the houses had a CC&R. But I don't doubt the mostly
open, mostly country, areas east of Indy are still relatively free of
CC&R's.

I do not know of _any_ single addition that was built in the 70s/80s without
CC&Rs actually vote to have them. In my area alone, there are 4 older
neighborhoods....none of them have CC&Rs. CC&Rs were rare and usually for
the high end neighborhoods. Now all the newer neighborhoods have CC&Rs.
The whole point is that besides the northside, Hamilton Co., and newer
additions...Indy provides plenty of neighborhoods on all sides that do not
have CC&Rs. I guess that is why I like it here and decided against moving
to see other parts of the country. I can only imagine how horrible mega
cities are. Still, fact is that Indy does offer plenty in terms of jobs in
almost all fields...especially bio-technology tied in with pharmaceuticals.
If I ever moved it would be to a like size city, and Montana, Idaho area
would be my first choice.

"craigm" wrote in message
...
Which cities in Montana and Idaho are the same size as Indianpolis?

Largest cities...

Billings, MT 131,622
Boise, ID 185,787

Indianapolis, IN 1,607,486

There were 3 times more people in Indy in 1910 than there are in Boise
today..

Strange thing about home values, investment, etc -- In Silicon Valley aka
San Francisco Bay Area - homes are in the high 100,000+ -- many a Million+
and many with no HOA and old TV/FM antennas left on the roof -- as well as
more than the average number of Ham antennas.

--
73 From The Wilderness Keyboard

"Midwest Kid" wrote in message
news:6_Ayb.270995$275.965769@attbi_s53...


Investment in your home, to me, means what you paid for your home.
Property
value is what someone is supposedly willing to pay for your land and
home.
It doesn't necessary mean your actual investment in the home. If a
chemical
spill is discovered near the area, your property value might be $50K
while
your investment could be $100K (what you paid for your home). People
want to
equate property values with an investment that will _always_ go up,
mostly
due to the real estate boom over the last 3 decades or so. I don't
see many
people like that. Out of all my family, only a cousin actually rents
a
home. No many people buy a home, let it sit empty and hope that they
can
sell it for 30% more in a year. That is the main problem with CC&R.
People
think they are a way to help your property value increase. That's
stupid
logic. They should be more worried about just making sure they get
what
they put into the home. I believe CC&Rs do that. They make it so
people can
sell their home.


I don't know if CC&Rs help home sales. People buy and sell homes
without CC&Rs just fine. CC&Rs may be a negitive factor, if you
consider the large number of potential buyers who don't like CC&Rs.


I personally wouldn't have a problem with a ham antenna as
long as it didn't interfere with anything in my home. If it did, I
would
ask the person to take it down. Chances are I would be a good friend
to my
neighbors since I am pretty easy to get along with. It's when hams
get this
attitude (like I am seeing here) spouting off: "Well, I got a new law
supporting me so not much you or anyone else can do." That's when the
gloves come off. Screw them. They thought they had a friend....I
hope the
person never needs something or tries to make small talk.



Well, people do have rights, although the right to put up an antenna may
not be among the rights the Constitutional government was formed to
protect.

As far as the value of a Homeowner's Association is concerned, I guess
it comes down to which of your neighbors deserve the most distrust.
Will it be the new neighbor who inexplicably paints his new, expensive
house pink and black like a box of Ju-Ju Bees? Or will it be the new
age neighbors who replace the previous reasonable board members with a
bunch of Feng Shui loonies?

They'll come and do a walkaround with their compasses and tape measures
and notebooks.

"Pull up those pink flamingoes and put wind chimes here."

"You must plant a tree. I marked the correct location with a stake."

"Move that doorway to here. No, not there -- HERE!!"

"Bad Feng Shui is bad for property values!!"

Can't happen? Of course not! Not in anyplace that can't stop a
respectful flag display or religious monument.

Frank Dresser

"craigm" wrote in message
..

Which cities in Montana and Idaho are the same size as Indianpolis?

I should have said the size of Indy or smaller.