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Frank I have been reading the various posting in this thread. And some
of the posting here disgust me. Why do some of these people call themselves American's? America is supposed to be the land of the FREE. By far, this posting by you is the best. I have read most of the articles in the second web site you listed. It's about time America wakes up. The world doesn't revolve around HOA's or there darn rules. As a veteran I have flown the Stars and Strips at our home since I returned from the military (35+ years ago) and will do until I expire. I, unlike some in this thread are proud of my country. I am proud to fly the Stars & Strips over our home. I am proud to have served in the military of these United States of America. I am also proud to have served in the military only to protect the rights of HOA's and their over baring officials, to forbid Americans from flying there FLAG on a poll erected for this purpose only. And they call themselves patriotic Americans........ya. Frank Dresser wrote: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b5efc12221e.htm#38 http://www.ccfj.net/HOAartflag.html As far as I'm concerned, any attempt to restrict such fundamental rights as a respectful religious display or display of the US Flag ought to get laughed out of court, just as an attempt to enforce a racial restrictive covanant. Frank Dresser |
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America will only be FREE as long as real Americans allow it to be. And presently that doesn't seem to include HOA's or their officials. Question is, If HOA's object to the, "Land of the Free, and the Home of the Brave", why don't they simply move to another country (like Cuba)? I've had a long life and careers in TX, CA, and AZ. I have *NEVER* signed on to an HOA agreement, and I never will. If one freely chooses to compromise one's principles, then one gets exactly what one deserves. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... wrote: America will only be FREE as long as real Americans allow it to be. And presently that doesn't seem to include HOA's or their officials. Question is, If HOA's object to the, "Land of the Free, and the Home of the Brave", why don't they simply move to another country (like Cuba)? I've had a long life and careers in TX, CA, and AZ. I have *NEVER* signed on to an HOA agreement, and I never will. If one freely chooses to compromise one's principles, then one gets exactly what one deserves. It floors me how some Americans can defend the loss of the principles upon which the country was founded, and for which our troops are supposed to be fighting. As a country, we do great dishonor to those who have died to protect our freedom by giving up that freedom voluntarily under the guise of personal or financial security. |
Midwest Kid wrote: "Dave Shrader" wrote in message news:m9wyb.372045$Tr4.1101837@attbi_s03... The buyer's requested assurance that the antenna and tower would be removed prior to passing papers. My response "Of course!" So here we have: 1: The people did not want the antennas. Stop taking a position OUT of Context. The new owners were/are not hams. But the tower and antennas are in my new backyard. Restated, the tower had NO IMPACT on the selling price of the property! The property sold based on LOCATION. I had lived there for 38+ years prior to sale. BTW, the home across the street and the home next door also sold for above market value. 2: It's more like "**** my neighbor. Your vulgarisms are not appreciated in my house and hopefully other homes. Get the emotion out of your argument and please present your case on facts using civil language. Remember this group is read by men, women, and possibly children. Deacon Dave [Reverend], W1MCE SNIP |
NO the realtor did not make any recommendation regarding the antennas at
my home. [See previous posts same subject]. The antennas were up and operating until 1 week before the movers came and bank closing. You are still making generalizations that are not factual. Please give the name, city and circumstances of those realtors who say 'take them down prior to sale'. You persist in making generalizations that are not supported by facts. W1MCE Midwest Kid wrote: "Richard G Amirault" wrote in message ... I find that hard to believe. Do you really mean to say that a ham with 15 or 20 different antennas and two towers does *nothing* to the property values of the houses next door? That's what hams want you to believe. They are right of course. Lets say your home is worth $175K before the tower. Then you try to sell your home. You get no _offers_ because of that antenna field next door. Therefore you cannot _prove_ that the value of your home went down. Hams are an elite group of people like others. I find it hard to believe that a ham selling their home would leave the antennas up while showing the home. Even if they are going to toss them, any realtor is going to tell the person to take them down. |
In Florida, USA, last month, the national news [Good Morning America,
ABC TV] reported that a military veteran could not fly the USA flag because the pole violated HOA rules. What's more the Florida courts supported the HOA!!!! W1MCE wrote: SNIP As a veteran I have flown the Stars and Strips at our home since I returned from the military (35+ years ago) and will do until I expire. I, unlike some in this thread are proud of my country. I am proud to fly the Stars & Strips over our home. I am proud to have served in the military of these United States of America. I am also proud to have served in the military only to protect the rights of HOA's and their over baring officials, to forbid Americans from flying there FLAG on a poll erected for this purpose only. And they call themselves patriotic Americans........ya. SNIP |
Exactly!
Looking through this thread, I see (time and again) that the people that are either mistrustful of HOA's or outright hostile to the idea of them don't live in an area with covenants and HOA's. Good! Having read some earlier posts by some of the people posting that are the most dead-set against the idea, I know of two that actually live in mobile homes. (Great post on how to get good AM signal inside the metal shell, BTW). I have nothing against house trailers -- I rented one for two years when I was in college. However, I do think SOME of these posters are hardly authorities on keeping up property values in upscale neighborhoods. In this case, one size doesn't fit all -- HOA's are most definitely NOT for everybody -- particularly people that think that rules should apply to everyone but themselves. However, just because they're not a good fit for you, doesn't mean they're not a good thing for others. Don't like 'em -- don't move here -- that simple. I chose to build in my particular neighborhood precisely because of the covenants. We built the third house in our neighborhood, and we needed to be sure that the rest of our subdivision would be comparable homes. Six years later, we've got a great neighborhood and our house has increased in value substantially. Your mileage may vary. -- Stinger "Dwight Stewart" wrote in message et... "Midwest Kid" wrote: My county just east of Indy has plenty of non CC&R neighborhoods. (snip) I worked in Indianapolis several years ago (as a security specialist for DFAS in what was once Ft. Ben Harrision). Since the DoD supplied our residence, we were not personally affected by CC&R's. However, we did casually look into purchasing a house with the idea of possibly making that area our home. During that process, we ran into several houses with CC&R's (especially in the north-eastern part of town). But, on the south side of town, none of the houses had a CC&R. That has probably changed today. But I don't doubt the mostly open, mostly country, areas east of Indy are still relatively free of CC&R's. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message news:7yryb.294$yf.196@fed1read01... Outwitting -- use Stealth Antennas URL: http://ac6v.com/antprojects.htm#STANT AND http://www.arrl.org/catalog/?item=7571 Outsmarting -- Don't buy into an HOA Community Think Ahead --- An HOA can adapt a no antenna rule anytime they want Have Big Bucks to fight it in court -- Most HOA's have deep pockets -- 73 From The Wilderness Keyboard Um, not exactly. If a neighborhood were to suddenly enact some sort of HOA, I believe any pre-existing antennas would have to be "grandfathered" in. Hey, I moved in next to a cow pasture that was in the city limits. Now some 4-eyed wimps would want to try to make the farmer get rid of his cows. Couldn't! When the city annexed the neighborhood, they had to take the cows too .........they refused to MOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! (Sorry, I had to do that). The cows stayed. Good neigh- bors, too. Remained until the farmer died and his sons decided to sell them. Now, they just can't put them back, tho. Of course, the solution is NOT to move into one of those HOAs with the blue-haired lady telling what color to paint your shutters. Once you do, you are stuck. Kinda like those folks that move in next to an AIRPORT and then expect to get PAID because of the noise. I have no sympathy for them. I choose NOT to live in such a place. And I get all the convenience of city living and the atmosphere of the country: a grassy meadow (former pasture), lots of woods, dead end street, close in, yet very quiet, deer, owls, geese, foxes, and raccoons--which I could do without, BTW. AND all the antennas I want! Jerry K4KWH " |
"Midwest Kid" wrote in message news:XJAyb.270855$275.965396@attbi_s53... "Richard G Amirault" wrote in message ... I find that hard to believe. Do you really mean to say that a ham with 15 or 20 different antennas and two towers does *nothing* to the property values of the houses next door? That's what hams want you to believe. They are right of course. Lets say your home is worth $175K before the tower. Then you try to sell your home. You get no _offers_ because of that antenna field next door. Therefore you cannot _prove_ that the value of your home went down. Hams are an elite group of people like others. I find it hard to believe that a ham selling their home would leave the antennas up while showing the home. Even if they are going to toss them, any realtor is going to tell the person to take them down. He didn't when I showed my other house prior to buying this one. Jerry |
wrote in message ... What I read into this thread is there are people in our FREE country that have a serious need to control other people. Those people like another poster said are classified as HOA Cops. When it comes to controlling them they revolt. What is an AAA zoned area? I live in a community where the county put in zoning laws many years ago so the members of the HOA decided to turn over our roads to the county for maintenance, dissolve the HOA entirely. We figured why pay dues for road upkeep and some over zealous HOA officer/member who wants to take his/our neighbor to court for stupid things. We already pay taxes for road up keep but the county would not enter our plan because it was considered private property. The only county services we had where police, fire, ambulance. Now things are going much better. We have all the services we where paying for but didn't receive before, the HOA Cops are gone forever and the home owners seem to getting along much better. There are no junk cars sitting around, no one painted their house bright pink or any other crazy color, the grass in the yards are trimmed nice, in fact nothing has changed in that respect. There are two 25 foot towers now, one with a small beam the other a vertical in the plan, one is mine. Both are hams and both are involved in emergency communications during major storms. The neighbors call or stop and get weather updates so they can make the necessary plans. Not one person has complained about either of the towers, not one. By the way, the HOA ex-official moved out about 6 months after the county took over. He found out this is America, the land of the free. Factually speaking, his neighbors refused to have anything to do with him because of his over powering attitude. His friends soon followed him down the road. God Bless our "FREE" America. Uncle Peter wrote: I don't know where you live, but here we have zoning laws that control much of the issues you are concerned about; and most towns have enacted nusiance ordinances to handle less severe problems, such as uncut grass, etc. BTW, I live in a AAA zoned area, and the ham tower was not an issue. I kept in at the tree line, in the middle of the property. Out of sight. Also, at one time I had three towers near the house. The house next door was sold before it hit the market for the full asking price. Pete Basically speaking, it is the true reason I live where I do. I have a problem being told what I can do or when I can do it on my own property. It doesn't mean I am disagreeable, it just means that I do believe in freedom and the right to have and hold property as one sees fit-- within reason, of course. I believe that most people will take care of their property without coaxing. I also believe one must choose the neighborhood carefully and that can be judged by the surrounding houses. In better neighbor- hoods, one simply doesn't see pink/black houses or bright red houses. I do NOT believe in covenants, and I avoid them. It's not a problem since I have lived in the same house for 17 years and I mow the grass, paint (well I put on siding some time ago) and recently paved the driveway. Yes, I have a 70 foot tower and a VHF beam. The dipoles have long blended in with the trees so you have to be looking for them. I get along with the neighbors as well. Now, if a new neighbor comes along after all these 17 years telling me I "gotta move them antennas", I would have to reply "By whom and whose army". Jerry |
Some hams have beat restrictions by using a vertical antenna as a flag pole.
Bill, K5BY |
"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message ... snippage Of course, the solution is NOT to move into one of those HOAs with the blue-haired lady telling what color to paint your shutters. Once you do, you are stuck. Kinda like those folks that move in next to an AIRPORT and then expect to get PAID because of the noise. I have no sympathy for them. I choose NOT to live in such a place. When I lived in Coeur d' Alene a few years ago, there were the beginnings of a fight between homeowners (not aware of whether or not it was an HOA or not) and radio station KGA in Spokane. When KGA went on the air something close to 70 years ago, it's transmitter site was miles from town, and in the middle of a very rural area. Well, now the area has built up, and the homeowners there are trying to force KGA to move it's transmitter site and towers. This is not a small undertaking, since broadcast stations are very restricted as to the areas that they can place these complicated multi-tower systems, and very strict directional patterns. For me, I don't feel a bit sorry for those people, they knew there was a 50,000 watt radio station there when they started moving in. So did the developers. KGA should not be forced to move because of some people's ignorance or short-sightedness. |
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For me, I don't feel a bit sorry for those people, they knew there was a 50,000 watt radio station there when they started moving in. So did the developers. KGA should not be forced to move because of some people's ignorance or short-sightedness. How about the "greatest good for the greatest number"? :-) -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Au Contraire -- a ham here who had an antenna up for years was told that the
HOA voted it an eyesore and he was to take it down --He pleaded "Grandfathering" and a long legal battle ensued and he lost. The CC&R was not on antennas -- but on an "obnoxious structure" -- 73 From The Wilderness Keyboard "Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message ... "Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message news:7yryb.294$yf.196@fed1read01... Outwitting -- use Stealth Antennas URL: http://ac6v.com/antprojects.htm#STANT AND http://www.arrl.org/catalog/?item=7571 Outsmarting -- Don't buy into an HOA Community Think Ahead --- An HOA can adapt a no antenna rule anytime they want Have Big Bucks to fight it in court -- Most HOA's have deep pockets -- 73 From The Wilderness Keyboard Um, not exactly. If a neighborhood were to suddenly enact some sort of HOA, I believe any pre-existing antennas would have to be "grandfathered" in. Hey, I moved in next to a cow pasture that was in the city limits. Now some 4-eyed wimps would want to try to make the farmer get rid of his cows. Couldn't! When the city annexed the neighborhood, they had to take the cows too ........they refused to MOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! (Sorry, I had to do that). The cows stayed. Good neigh- bors, too. Remained until the farmer died and his sons decided to sell them. Now, they just can't put them back, tho. Of course, the solution is NOT to move into one of those HOAs with the blue-haired lady telling what color to paint your shutters. Once you do, you are stuck. Kinda like those folks that move in next to an AIRPORT and then expect to get PAID because of the noise. I have no sympathy for them. I choose NOT to live in such a place. And I get all the convenience of city living and the atmosphere of the country: a grassy meadow (former pasture), lots of wood s, dead end street, close in, yet very quiet, deer, owls, geese, foxes, and raccoons--which I could do without, BTW. AND all the antennas I want! Jerry K4KWH " |
WShoots1 wrote: Some hams have beat restrictions by using a vertical antenna as a flag pole. Bill, K5BY Bill, on the other side there is a veteran in FL who is fighting with his HOA because THEY don't want the flag poll. So they say, the flag is ok.... This fellow is in court and his HOA is ready to sell his home out from under him. He is trying to get $25,000+ to save his home. This story was on FOX News it's so big. Even the FL Attorney General has come out in his defense. A judge stopped the sale of this VETERAN'S home. And those people in that HOA have the nerve to call themselves "AMERICAN'S", I don't believe so. |
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... Brenda Ann wrote: For me, I don't feel a bit sorry for those people, they knew there was a 50,000 watt radio station there when they started moving in. So did the developers. KGA should not be forced to move because of some people's ignorance or short-sightedness. How about the "greatest good for the greatest number"? :-) -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp NOPE!! They had the choice to move there or not. Just like idiots that move in right off the end of an airport runway, then howl about the noise. They want to be PAID because of the jet noise. They KNEW what they were getting into before they moved there. As far as I am concerned, they ought NOT get one thin dime from it. If I move into an HOA, then I should shut up about it and let the old buzzard power-trippers tell me what to do. But I STILL have a choice to not move into such a place. I am too feisty and independent to accept domination. I believe property rights must remain dominant; i.e., your rights end at your property line and mine end at mine. Of course, there has to be some reasonable limits, but what color I *must* paint my shutters? Horsefeathers! Most neighborhoods "conform" simply by osmosis, or peer pressure. Most people are likely to keep their property clean and clutter-free. Most people tend to flock to what they can afford and you will find that neighborhoods tend to catagorize themselves; affuent, middle class, lower middle class, fair, poor, poor-ER. I think HOAs are unnecessary and I will NOT accept them; those puffed up self-important busybodys will have to kick my **** first! So the obvious thing is to just stay away. I am perfectly content in my 1956 ranch w/basement with the fireplaces/inserts, garage and double carport/deck, real plaster walls and knotty pine kitchen. The geese that reside down at a woods nearby are an extra. OH, my house is built FAR better than most of the houses today. During Hurricane Hugo (1989) many of those "fine" houses in my area were blown down like the big, bad wolf. I lost shingles. Nothing more. 96 MPH winds. So, with this unintended rant, I say that I have no sympathy for those "neighbors" that moved next to a pre- existing condition and----well, TOUGH! They shouldna been stupid enough to move there to start with!! LOL! Then to have the arrogance to demand that the tower that had been there for decades(?) have to move, HA! Again, HORSEFEATHERS! (and a few other things). 73 Jerry K4KWH |
"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message news:f02zb.640$yf.222@fed1read01... Au Contraire -- a ham here who had an antenna up for years was told that the HOA voted it an eyesore and he was to take it down --He pleaded "Grandfathering" and a long legal battle ensued and he lost. The CC&R was not on antennas -- but on an "obnoxious structure" -- 73 From The Wilderness Keyboard Then it would have gone to Federal court where I would've used PRB-1. This is a federal statute that requires that communities (municipal, county, etc) make reasonable accomodation for amateur antennas. I would bet neither you or I have all the facts you are relating because IF that antenna had been in place for "years" as you say, I still believe it would have to be grand-fathered. But because some muckety mucks move in after *I* have had a tower for years (17) I must now remove it? Well, they'll have to show me the hard way. Eventually, the comformity crowd just may have to stick out their lips and bear it, because there is an antenna bill before Congress that *may* cause the blue-hairs heart failure! It will mean that HOAs will have to make the same *reasonable* accomodations as local governments. Why? Because Amateur Radio is considered a part of America's communications infrastructure and has been proven a valuable asset. While it is, foremost, a hobby, many people never consider will happen when towers fall, a tornado strikes, or even a forest fire strikes. Those yuppy cell phones aren't worth a tinker's dam (no, not 'damn'), your computer doesn't work without power or phone lines, and what's left? Ham Radio, *some* ES comms, Civil Air Patrol, et al. And who will cry "foul" first? The same air-headed HOA people so hell-bent to get rid of "ugly" antennas. The same ones that will scream "I WANT MY PHONE AND TV BACK ON"! "How can I find out if my mother in the next town is OK"? And you, likely, won't find out! Because you ran off the neighbor that *could've* helped. You embarked on this power trip. Das Shutzstassen (SS)und Dummkopten. Ya, Idioten! And your pleas will be met with exactly what you wanted: ......................................Silence J "Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message ... "Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message news:7yryb.294$yf.196@fed1read01... Outwitting -- use Stealth Antennas URL: http://ac6v.com/antprojects.htm#STANT AND http://www.arrl.org/catalog/?item=7571 Outsmarting -- Don't buy into an HOA Community Think Ahead --- An HOA can adapt a no antenna rule anytime they want Have Big Bucks to fight it in court -- Most HOA's have deep pockets -- 73 From The Wilderness Keyboard Um, not exactly. If a neighborhood were to suddenly enact some sort of HOA, I believe any pre-existing antennas would have to be "grandfathered" in. Hey, I moved in next to a cow pasture that was in the city limits. Now some 4-eyed wimps would want to try to make the farmer get rid of his cows. Couldn't! When the city annexed the neighborhood, they had to take the cows too ........they refused to MOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! (Sorry, I had to do that). The cows stayed. Good neigh- bors, too. Remained until the farmer died and his sons decided to sell them. Now, they just can't put them back, tho. Of course, the solution is NOT to move into one of those HOAs with the blue-haired lady telling what color to paint your shutters. Once you do, you are stuck. Kinda like those folks that move in next to an AIRPORT and then expect to get PAID because of the noise. I have no sympathy for them. I choose NOT to live in such a place. And I get all the convenience of city living and the atmosphere of the country: a grassy meadow (former pasture), lots of wood s, dead end street, close in, yet very quiet, deer, owls, geese, foxes, and raccoons--which I could do without, BTW. AND all the antennas I want! Jerry K4KWH " |
"Midwest Kid" wrote in message news:U7Byb.271075$275.966105@attbi_s53... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message gy.com... The problem is that in some places in this country finding an area without CCRs that will mean an unreasonably long communte to work. That's my point. It seems more and more, no one is willing to compromise. Hams want no CC&R and have everything want. Scanner people want what they want. Short-wave people want what they want. My commute is 20 miles. I would be fine with driving 30. Some people can't stand that, so they live in vinyl villages and in urban areas. Some people think 10 miles or more of a drive to work is horrible. I don't see how these people would survive if they had not found their little niche a few decades ago. Would they just be bitter? I know that if I want to live rural, I have to look at almost a 30 mile drive. So? I save my money and take care of my car. If it's that big of deal, buy a Honda. Of course then there are the rich folks who can never been seen in a Honda. Those are the people I tell to go buy an Acura!! I have seen this attitude more and more with the younger generation. No home less than 5 years old. Fancy SUVs, etc etc. Live paycheck to paycheck. These are actually the CC&R cops you people talk about. Always bitching about so and so violating this and that.....only because they think their home is going to double in value in 10 years. Me, I hope to live as rural as possible. Even if that means my ham can put up 500 towers. Depending on what it does/doesn't do to my electronics and his/her attitude after I let them know about it, will determine if I see them as friend or foe. Hams serve a purpose, a good one....but this doesn't mean they should use some law to skirt the rules of a contract they were never forced into. And they shouldn't have to put up with people moving in long before the ham did and using "some" idiot CCR crap to make him take down his tower(s). Jerry |
Well if I am not mistaken --- PRB-1 is NOT applicable to HOA's
Only municipal, county, etc -- 73 From The Wilderness Keyboard "Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message ... "Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message news:f02zb.640$yf.222@fed1read01... Au Contraire -- a ham here who had an antenna up for years was told that the HOA voted it an eyesore and he was to take it down --He pleaded "Grandfathering" and a long legal battle ensued and he lost. The CC&R was not on antennas -- but on an "obnoxious structure" -- 73 From The Wilderness Keyboard Then it would have gone to Federal court where I would've used PRB-1. This is a federal statute that requires that communities (municipal, county, etc) make reasonable accomodation for amateur antennas. I would bet neither you or I have all the facts you are relating because IF that antenna had been in place for "years" as you say, I still believe it would have to be grand-fathered. But because some muckety mucks move in after *I* have had a tower for years (17) I must now remove it? Well, they'll have to show me the hard way. Eventually, the comformity crowd just may have to stick out their lips and bear it, because there is an antenna bill before Congress that *may* cause the blue-hairs heart failure! It will mean that HOAs will have to make the same *reasonable* accomodations as local governments. Why? Because Amateur Radio is considered a part of America's communications infrastructure and has been proven a valuable asset. While it is, foremost, a hobby, many people never consider will happen when towers fall, a tornado strikes, or even a forest fire strikes. Those yuppy cell phones aren't worth a tinker's dam (no, not 'damn'), your computer doesn't work without power or phone lines, and what's left? Ham Radio, *some* ES comms, Civil Air Patrol, et al. And who will cry "foul" first? The same air-headed HOA people so hell-bent to get rid of "ugly" antennas. The same ones that will scream "I WANT MY PHONE AND TV BACK ON"! "How can I find out if my mother in the next town is OK"? And you, likely, won't find out! Because you ran off the neighbor that *could've* helped. You embarked on this power trip. Das Shutzstassen (SS)und Dummkopten. Ya, Idioten! And your pleas will be met with exactly what you wanted: .....................................Silence J "Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message ... "Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message news:7yryb.294$yf.196@fed1read01... Outwitting -- use Stealth Antennas URL: http://ac6v.com/antprojects.htm#STANT AND http://www.arrl.org/catalog/?item=7571 Outsmarting -- Don't buy into an HOA Community Think Ahead --- An HOA can adapt a no antenna rule anytime they want Have Big Bucks to fight it in court -- Most HOA's have deep pockets -- 73 From The Wilderness Keyboard Um, not exactly. If a neighborhood were to suddenly enact some sort of HOA, I believe any pre-existing antennas would have to be "grandfathered" in. Hey, I moved in next to a cow pasture that was in the city limits. Now some 4-eyed wimps would want to try to make the farmer get rid of his cows. Couldn't! When the city annexed the neighborhood, they had to take the cows too ........they refused to MOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! (Sorry, I had to do that). The cows stayed. Good neigh- bors, too. Remained until the farmer died and his sons decided to sell them. Now, they just can't put them back, tho. Of course, the solution is NOT to move into one of those HOAs with the blue-haired lady telling what color to paint your shutters. Once you do, you are stuck. Kinda like those folks that move in next to an AIRPORT and then expect to get PAID because of the noise. I have no sympathy for them. I choose NOT to live in such a place. And I get all the convenience of city living and the atmosphere of the country: a grassy meadow (former pasture), lots of wood s, dead end street, close in, yet very quiet, deer, owls, geese, foxes, and raccoons--which I could do without, BTW. AND all the antennas I want! Jerry K4KWH " |
My CC&R's state specifically --- NO FLAG POLES -- only Flag flying is from
a bracket on the house Further they say --- NO SHORTWAVE OPERATIONS IN THE COMPLEX OOppps -- ban all cell phones, cordless phones etc --- huh ??? -- 73 From The Wilderness Keyboard wrote in message ... WShoots1 wrote: Some hams have beat restrictions by using a vertical antenna as a flag pole. Bill, K5BY Bill, on the other side there is a veteran in FL who is fighting with his HOA because THEY don't want the flag poll. So they say, the flag is ok.... This fellow is in court and his HOA is ready to sell his home out from under him. He is trying to get $25,000+ to save his home. This story was on FOX News it's so big. Even the FL Attorney General has come out in his defense. A judge stopped the sale of this VETERAN'S home. And those people in that HOA have the nerve to call themselves "AMERICAN'S", I don't believe so. |
Jerry Oxendine wrote:
I am too feisty and independent to accept domination. So Jerry, what are you going to do when 51% of the citizens are on welfare and vote that the other 49% (including you and me) must support them. Don't you believe in democracy? -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
wrote in message ... Frank I have been reading the various posting in this thread. And some of the posting here disgust me. Why do some of these people call themselves American's? America is supposed to be the land of the FREE. By far, this posting by you is the best. I have read most of the articles in the second web site you listed. It's about time America wakes up. The world doesn't revolve around HOA's or there darn rules. As a veteran I have flown the Stars and Strips at our home since I returned from the military (35+ years ago) and will do until I expire. I, unlike some in this thread are proud of my country. I am proud to fly the Stars & Strips over our home. I am proud to have served in the military of these United States of America. I am also proud to have served in the military only to protect the rights of HOA's and their over baring officials, to forbid Americans from flying there FLAG on a poll erected for this purpose only. And they call themselves patriotic Americans........ya. Democracy is no more perfect than the human race. The guys who wrote and approved the Constitution and Bill of Rights knew individual rights could get voted away. I'm not sure why some Homeowner's Associations have a problem with religious monuments, flags or flagpoles, or the First Amendment rights most of take for granted. The people who advocate such positions seem remarkably shy in public, especially around reporters. When I first heard of the George Andres case, I thought there must be some mistake. Maybe the reporters didn't get the story quite right and the whole misunderstanding would be cleared up quickly. I was surprised to learn how long this damn thing has been dragged out, despite the support Mr. Andres has received from the public and the Florida politicians. I was just as surprised to learn that there's several similiar cases out there. Telling any American he can't raise a flag or put up a religious monument on his own property is an abuse of power. Telling it to a man who has served his country compounds the injustice. I suppose we should remember that a small percentage of us are real SOBs. A small percentage of governments are, or will be, run by SOBs. That's democracy. That's why I want my government to limited by some sort of respect for individual rights. Frank Dresser |
Frank Dresser wrote: SNIP .... Democracy is no more perfect than the human race. The guys who wrote and approved the Constitution and Bill of Rights knew individual rights could get voted away. I'm not sure why some Homeowner's Associations have a problem with religious monuments, flags or flagpoles, or the First Amendment rights most of take for granted. The people who advocate such positions seem remarkably shy in public, especially around reporters. When I first heard of the George Andres case, ... SNIP Frank, regarding your comments on a Democracy I'd like to make a simple observation. We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says, and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a Representative Republic! A Democracy is the most tyrannical form of government!!! Deacon Dave, W1MCE |
No, they shouldn't. It's just like the people that build houses at the end
of a runway then complain about the noise. "Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message ... snippage KGA should not be forced to move because of some people's ignorance or short-sightedness. |
IMHO...a tyrannical form of government would be something from the
Hitler regime, not the Democracy we are blessed with! Dave Shrader wrote: Frank Dresser wrote: SNIP ... Democracy is no more perfect than the human race. The guys who wrote and approved the Constitution and Bill of Rights knew individual rights could get voted away. I'm not sure why some Homeowner's Associations have a problem with religious monuments, flags or flagpoles, or the First Amendment rights most of take for granted. The people who advocate such positions seem remarkably shy in public, especially around reporters. When I first heard of the George Andres case, ... SNIP Frank, regarding your comments on a Democracy I'd like to make a simple observation. We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says, and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a Representative Republic! A Democracy is the most tyrannical form of government!!! Deacon Dave, W1MCE |
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:44:35 GMT, Sid wrote:
IMHO...a tyrannical form of government would be something from the Hitler regime, not the Democracy we are blessed with! Of course, we here in the US do not live in a democracy. Rather, our form of government is a representational republic. Russ Dave Shrader wrote: Frank Dresser wrote: SNIP ... Democracy is no more perfect than the human race. The guys who wrote and approved the Constitution and Bill of Rights knew individual rights could get voted away. I'm not sure why some Homeowner's Associations have a problem with religious monuments, flags or flagpoles, or the First Amendment rights most of take for granted. The people who advocate such positions seem remarkably shy in public, especially around reporters. When I first heard of the George Andres case, ... SNIP Frank, regarding your comments on a Democracy I'd like to make a simple observation. We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says, and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a Representative Republic! A Democracy is the most tyrannical form of government!!! Deacon Dave, W1MCE |
That's sad about that Florida vet and his flag pole. I'm glad to hear, though,
that he has some high power backing him. Thanks for the report, Pappy. Bill, K5BY |
Sid wrote:
IMHO...a tyrannical form of government would be something from the Hitler regime, not the Democracy we are blessed with! The democracy that voted to end the life of Socrates was pretty tyrannical. How would you like a democracy voting to end your life? -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... Jerry Oxendine wrote: I am too feisty and independent to accept domination. So Jerry, what are you going to do when 51% of the citizens are on welfare and vote that the other 49% (including you and me) must support them. Don't you believe in democracy? Don't work so hard, get a job that is easier and pays less. Get a good survival location, some guns, some food, etc.. Sit back and watch the burnoff of useless eaters as it unfolds. It will be glorious. |
"Dave Shrader" wrote in message ... We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says, and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a Representative Republic! No. We live in a Democracy that once _was_ a Representative Republic. Name any admentment and I can post a law that violates it that the courts have upheld (ok, with the exception of the quartering of soildiers!!). |
"Dave Shrader" wrote in message ... Frank, regarding your comments on a Democracy I'd like to make a simple observation. We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says, and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a Representative Republic! A Democracy is the most tyrannical form of government!!! Deacon Dave, W1MCE I dunno. Democracy usually works out as well as can be expected. It works out well enough that Americans sometimes forget about the potential tyranny of the majority. Having some of our rights written down is a useful reminder. Frank Dresser |
"Dave Shrader" wrote in message ... Frank Dresser wrote: SNIP ... Democracy is no more perfect than the human race. The guys who wrote and approved the Constitution and Bill of Rights knew individual rights could get voted away. I'm not sure why some Homeowner's Associations have a problem with religious monuments, flags or flagpoles, or the First Amendment rights most of take for granted. The people who advocate such positions seem remarkably shy in public, especially around reporters. When I first heard of the George Andres case, ... SNIP Frank, regarding your comments on a Democracy I'd like to make a simple observation. We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says, and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a Representative Republic! Getting closer to the truth, but exactly what, besides redundant, is a "representative republic"? Perhaps you meant to say "constitutional republic". Ed wb6wsn |
Bill, here are the web sites I received my information from:
http://www.ccfj.net/flyoldglory47.html (FL story) http://www.ccfj.net/HOAartflag.html (numerous anti flag stories) WShoots1 wrote: That's sad about that Florida vet and his flag pole. I'm glad to hear, though, that he has some high power backing him. Thanks for the report, Pappy. Bill, K5BY |
Midwest Kid wrote:
We live in a Democracy that once _was_ a Representative Republic. If we live in a Democracy, Al Gore, who got the majority of the popular vote, would be President. The Electorial College is certainly not democratic. The fact that we vote for representatives rather than voting on laws directly is certainly not democratic. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Ed Price wrote:
Getting closer to the truth, but exactly what, besides redundant, is a "representative republic"? Perhaps you meant to say "constitutional republic". In a pure democracy, the voters vote directly on the laws. In a representative republic, the voters vote on a representative who votes directly on the laws. In a constitutional republic, some laws are off limits both to the voters and to the representatives, i.e. inalienable rights (at least until the constitution is ammended). -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Cecil Moore wrote: Ed Price wrote: Getting closer to the truth, but exactly what, besides redundant, is a "representative republic"? Perhaps you meant to say "constitutional republic". In a pure democracy, the voters vote directly on the laws. In a representative republic, the voters vote on a representative who votes directly on the laws. In a constitutional republic, some laws are off limits both to the voters and to the representatives, i.e. inalienable rights (at least until the constitution is ammended). No, inalienable rights are not subject to constitutional gerrymandering. -- messages to this account go into the bit bucket |
J Aurelio wrote:
No, inalienable rights are not subject to constitutional gerrymandering. On the contrary, I have an inalienable right to consume wine. God gave us grapes and yeast and granted us dominion over all the plants. Jesus turned water into wine. The US government saw fit to suspend that inalienable right during the 20's & 30's. Thank God I was born in 1938. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message news:Tf4zb.652$yf.146@fed1read01... Well if I am not mistaken --- PRB-1 is NOT applicable to HOA's Only municipal, county, etc But you must've not read the entire post. I said that there are moves in Congress to make those HOAs null and void, and those stuffed shirted old buzzards will have to make reasonable accomodations as is the case now under PRB-1. I am all for it. The control freaks will just have to get a case of the "poochy lip" and bear it. For me, I have been here for 17 years--same house, same 70 ft antenna tower. And a few dipoles to boot. I doubt that that anyone is going to come along and make me move them. I'd fight liked a cornered tiger! Then I'd shoot 'em the bird and move far out into the country on enough land to have those "Posted" signs on it and de-double dog dare anyone to come messin' round. LOL! Jerry Jerry K4KWH " |
You are speaking of Al Gore, the guy who claims to have invented the
internet. The guy who didn't even carry his own state of Tennessee. He couldn't tie his shoes without being told how to or permission. This thread isn't about politics. Get over it. Cecil Moore wrote: Midwest Kid wrote: We live in a Democracy that once _was_ a Representative Republic. If we live in a Democracy, Al Gore, who got the majority of the popular vote, would be President. The Electorial College is certainly not democratic. The fact that we vote for representatives rather than voting on laws directly is certainly not democratic. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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