"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

I'm curious. How much do antennas reduce property values? Is there a
formula for such things?

Why does it have to be about damn property values? I think CC&Rs are more
of a way to help make sure that when I sell my home, my neighbors have not
gotten 'lazy' or 'crazy' over the last 5-30 years and done stupid crap. Be
it 'get into ham' and erect a stupid looking tower, put cars on blocks, or
paint their house 5 different colors. Everyone thinks that just because
property values have almost doubled (and in some cases went up 10 fold or
more) that the same thing will have in the next 20 years. Again, CC&Rs are
to protect your investment in your home. You don't gain anything in a home
sale if you don't sell your home. Would you offer to buy your neighbors
home if they had documented proof your antenna was scaring away buyers?




I laugh at you blowhards telling us how you will do what you damn well
please
when and where you damn well please to do it. I note that none of you
have
tried it.


No sir. Not me. I'd much rather discuss things politely rather than
start telling people what to do.



Clever works. Big mouths don't. And, if you don't like the rules,
either don't
move in or once you move in then try to change them. If a majority of
your
neighbors agree, it is changed. That's the way I learned that this
country
works.

Jim



Sometimes those meddlesome courts think the country works differently.
They said the CC&Rs which prohibit a seller from selling his property to
Blacks or Jews or Mexicans or any group in particular can't be enforced.
I suppose it had something or other to do with civil rights. The
Homeowner's Association can still regulate the color of the neighbor's
house, if not the color of the neighbors.

Frank Dresser

"Midwest Kid" wrote in message
news:5Dayb.252403$mZ5.1876750@attbi_s54...

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

I'm curious. How much do antennas reduce property values? Is there a
formula for such things?

Why does it have to be about damn property values? I think CC&Rs are more
of a way to help make sure that when I sell my home, my neighbors have not
gotten 'lazy' or 'crazy' over the last 5-30 years and done stupid crap.
Be
it 'get into ham' and erect a stupid looking tower, put cars on blocks, or
paint their house 5 different colors. Everyone thinks that just because
property values have almost doubled (and in some cases went up 10 fold or
more) that the same thing will have in the next 20 years. Again, CC&Rs
are
to protect your investment in your home. You don't gain anything in a
home
sale if you don't sell your home. Would you offer to buy your neighbors
home if they had documented proof your antenna was scaring away buyers?


For starters, most hams that put up towers with elaborate antenna systems
would take them down when they moved (unless they became a silent key),
because these things are not petty investments, they cost a lot of money.
Some installations cost more than a new mid-sized car. The installation of
the tower itself is held to much higher standard by law than the house
itself is.

And again, unlike someone who puts up an old car on blocks, or paints their
home in rainbow glow paint, hams perform a public service. There currently
exists a rule within the FCC that disallows municipalities preventing
amateur operators from erecting antennas, and a similar rule for CC&R's is
in the works.

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...
There currently exists a rule within the FCC that disallows municipalities
preventing amateur operators from erecting antennas, and a similar rule
for CC&R's is in the works.

If my neighbors use this unjust law to put up an antenna, I hope they don't
plan on selling their home anytime soon. As soon as I see a 4-sale sign in
the neighbors yard, that's when I get into ham myself and erect my big, bad
antenna. Like you hams say, this wouldn't affect the property value or the
sale of the home so my ham neighbor wouldn't say anything to me....right?

In article , says...
For starters, most hams that put up towers with elaborate antenna systems
would take them down when they moved (unless they became a silent key),
because these things are not petty investments, they cost a lot of money.
Some installations cost more than a new mid-sized car.

True. I've seen some pretty elaborate antenna farms, even here in
suburban Orange County, CA -- some even in my neighborhood. (Only part
of our neighborhood is condos, the rest being single-family residences
(houses), and the latter have some pretty nice antenna installations.)

The installation of
the tower itself is held to much higher standard by law than the house
itself is.

Sad but true.

And again, unlike someone who puts up an old car on blocks, or paints their
home in rainbow glow paint, hams perform a public service. There currently
exists a rule within the FCC that disallows municipalities preventing
amateur operators from erecting antennas, and a similar rule for CC&R's is
in the works.

At least, we hope it's still "in the works." How long has that been
rattling around the halls of Congress now, two years? Any bets on which
comes on the scene first in the US: a code-free amateur radio service,
or a PRB-1 bill to cover CC&Rs?

--

-- //Steve//

Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS
Fountain Valley, CA
Email:

"Midwest Kid" wrote in message
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"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

I'm curious. How much do antennas reduce property values? Is there a
formula for such things?

Why does it have to be about damn property values? I think CC&Rs are more
of a way to help make sure that when I sell my home, my neighbors have not
gotten 'lazy' or 'crazy' over the last 5-30 years and done stupid crap.
Be
it 'get into ham' and erect a stupid looking tower, put cars on blocks, or
paint their house 5 different colors. Everyone thinks that just because
property values have almost doubled (and in some cases went up 10 fold or
more) that the same thing will have in the next 20 years. Again, CC&Rs
are
to protect your investment in your home. You don't gain anything in a
home
sale if you don't sell your home. Would you offer to buy your neighbors
home if they had documented proof your antenna was scaring away buyers?



I don't know where you live, but here we have zoning laws that control
much of the issues you are concerned about; and most towns have
enacted nusiance ordinances to handle less severe problems, such
as uncut grass, etc. BTW, I live in a AAA zoned area, and the ham
tower was not an issue. I kept in at the tree line, in the middle of
the property. Out of sight. Also, at one time I had three towers near
the house. The house next door was sold before it hit the market for
the full asking price.

Pete

What I read into this thread is there are people in our FREE country
that have a serious need to control other people. Those people like
another poster said are classified as HOA Cops.

When it comes to controlling them they revolt.

What is an AAA zoned area?

I live in a community where the county put in zoning laws many years ago
so the members of the HOA decided to turn over our roads to the county
for maintenance, dissolve the HOA entirely. We figured why pay dues for
road upkeep and some over zealous HOA officer/member who wants to take
his/our neighbor to court for stupid things. We already pay taxes for
road up keep but the county would not enter our plan because it was
considered private property. The only county services we had where
police, fire, ambulance. Now things are going much better. We have all
the services we where paying for but didn't receive before, the HOA Cops
are gone forever and the home owners seem to getting along much better.
There are no junk cars sitting around, no one painted their house bright
pink or any other crazy color, the grass in the yards are trimmed nice,
in fact nothing has changed in that respect. There are two 25 foot
towers now, one with a small beam the other a vertical in the plan, one
is mine. Both are hams and both are involved in emergency communications
during major storms. The neighbors call or stop and get weather updates
so they can make the necessary plans. Not one person has complained
about either of the towers, not one.

By the way, the HOA ex-official moved out about 6 months after the
county took over. He found out this is America, the land of the free.
Factually speaking, his neighbors refused to have anything to do with
him because of his over powering attitude. His friends soon followed him
down the road.

God Bless our "FREE" America.




Uncle Peter wrote:

I don't know where you live, but here we have zoning laws that control
much of the issues you are concerned about; and most towns have
enacted nusiance ordinances to handle less severe problems, such
as uncut grass, etc. BTW, I live in a AAA zoned area, and the ham
tower was not an issue. I kept in at the tree line, in the middle of
the property. Out of sight. Also, at one time I had three towers near
the house. The house next door was sold before it hit the market for
the full asking price.

Pete

I see that no one wants to respond your post Marylou.

It's my opinion that you must be on tract.

America will only be FREE as long as real Americans allow it to be. And
presently that doesn't seem to include HOA's or their officials.

Yes, what are AAA zoned areas? I haven't come across that term before.

wrote:

What I read into this thread is there are people in our FREE country
that have a serious need to control other people. Those people like
another poster said are classified as HOA Cops.

When it comes to controlling them they revolt.

What is an AAA zoned area?

I live in a community where the county put in zoning laws many years ago
so the members of the HOA decided to turn over our roads to the county
for maintenance, dissolve the HOA entirely. We figured why pay dues for
road upkeep and some over zealous HOA officer/member who wants to take
his/our neighbor to court for stupid things. We already pay taxes for
road up keep but the county would not enter our plan because it was
considered private property. The only county services we had where
police, fire, ambulance. Now things are going much better. We have all
the services we where paying for but didn't receive before, the HOA Cops
are gone forever and the home owners seem to getting along much better.
There are no junk cars sitting around, no one painted their house bright
pink or any other crazy color, the grass in the yards are trimmed nice,
in fact nothing has changed in that respect. There are two 25 foot
towers now, one with a small beam the other a vertical in the plan, one
is mine. Both are hams and both are involved in emergency communications
during major storms. The neighbors call or stop and get weather updates
so they can make the necessary plans. Not one person has complained
about either of the towers, not one.

By the way, the HOA ex-official moved out about 6 months after the
county took over. He found out this is America, the land of the free.
Factually speaking, his neighbors refused to have anything to do with
him because of his over powering attitude. His friends soon followed him
down the road.

God Bless our "FREE" America.

wrote:
America will only be FREE as long as real Americans allow it to be. And
presently that doesn't seem to include HOA's or their officials.

Question is, If HOA's object to the, "Land of the Free, and the Home of
the Brave", why don't they simply move to another country (like Cuba)?
I've had a long life and careers in TX, CA, and AZ. I have *NEVER* signed
on to an HOA agreement, and I never will. If one freely chooses to compromise
one's principles, then one gets exactly what one deserves.
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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
wrote:
America will only be FREE as long as real Americans allow it to be. And
presently that doesn't seem to include HOA's or their officials.

Question is, If HOA's object to the, "Land of the Free, and the Home of
the Brave", why don't they simply move to another country (like Cuba)?
I've had a long life and careers in TX, CA, and AZ. I have *NEVER* signed
on to an HOA agreement, and I never will. If one freely chooses to
compromise
one's principles, then one gets exactly what one deserves.

It floors me how some Americans can defend the loss of the principles upon
which the country was founded, and for which our troops are supposed to be
fighting. As a country, we do great dishonor to those who have died to
protect our freedom by giving up that freedom voluntarily under the guise of
personal or financial security.

wrote in message ...
What I read into this thread is there are people in our FREE country
that have a serious need to control other people. Those people like
another poster said are classified as HOA Cops.

When it comes to controlling them they revolt.

What is an AAA zoned area?

I live in a community where the county put in zoning laws many years ago
so the members of the HOA decided to turn over our roads to the county
for maintenance, dissolve the HOA entirely. We figured why pay dues for
road upkeep and some over zealous HOA officer/member who wants to take
his/our neighbor to court for stupid things. We already pay taxes for
road up keep but the county would not enter our plan because it was
considered private property. The only county services we had where
police, fire, ambulance. Now things are going much better. We have all
the services we where paying for but didn't receive before, the HOA Cops
are gone forever and the home owners seem to getting along much better.
There are no junk cars sitting around, no one painted their house bright
pink or any other crazy color, the grass in the yards are trimmed nice,
in fact nothing has changed in that respect. There are two 25 foot
towers now, one with a small beam the other a vertical in the plan, one
is mine. Both are hams and both are involved in emergency communications
during major storms. The neighbors call or stop and get weather updates
so they can make the necessary plans. Not one person has complained
about either of the towers, not one.

By the way, the HOA ex-official moved out about 6 months after the
county took over. He found out this is America, the land of the free.
Factually speaking, his neighbors refused to have anything to do with
him because of his over powering attitude. His friends soon followed him
down the road.

God Bless our "FREE" America.




Uncle Peter wrote:

I don't know where you live, but here we have zoning laws that control
much of the issues you are concerned about; and most towns have
enacted nusiance ordinances to handle less severe problems, such
as uncut grass, etc. BTW, I live in a AAA zoned area, and the ham
tower was not an issue. I kept in at the tree line, in the middle of
the property. Out of sight. Also, at one time I had three towers near
the house. The house next door was sold before it hit the market for
the full asking price.

Pete

Basically speaking, it is the true reason I live where I do. I have a
problem being told what I can do or when I can do it on my own property. It
doesn't mean I am disagreeable, it just means that I do believe in freedom
and the right to have and hold property as one sees fit--
within reason, of course. I believe that most people will
take care of their property without coaxing. I also believe one must choose
the neighborhood carefully and that can
be judged by the surrounding houses. In better neighbor-
hoods, one simply doesn't see pink/black houses or bright
red houses. I do NOT believe in covenants, and I avoid them. It's not a
problem since I have lived in the same house for 17 years and I mow the
grass, paint (well I
put on siding some time ago) and recently paved the driveway. Yes, I have a
70 foot tower and a VHF beam.
The dipoles have long blended in with the trees so you have to be looking
for them. I get along with the neighbors as well.

Now, if a new neighbor comes along after all these 17 years telling me I
"gotta move them antennas", I would have to reply "By whom and whose army".

Jerry