"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
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there was no place left to avoid those committees within just a few years.

My county just east of Indy has plenty of non CC&R neighborhoods. Oh wait,
how horrible it is to think people would want to live in a 25-30 year old
addition. Everyone wants to live in the 'perfect' place with no strings
attached. That is living in a fantasy world. Like I said, the Indy area is
nice. Plenty of 20-30 year old additions with good homes and no CC&R.
Though you might have to compromise on various issues (almost all these
additions have great school systems).

"Midwest Kid" wrote in message
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"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
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there was no place left to avoid those committees within just a few
years.

My county just east of Indy has plenty of non CC&R neighborhoods. Oh
wait,
how horrible it is to think people would want to live in a 25-30 year old
addition. Everyone wants to live in the 'perfect' place with no strings
attached. That is living in a fantasy world. Like I said, the Indy area
is
nice. Plenty of 20-30 year old additions with good homes and no CC&R.
Though you might have to compromise on various issues (almost all these
additions have great school systems).



Actually many people prefer the 20 to 30 year old suburb as these finally
have trees of decent size. The problem is that in some places in this
country finding an area without CCRs that will mean an unreasonably long
communte to work.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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The problem is that in some places in this country finding an area without
CCRs that will mean an unreasonably long communte to work.

That's my point. It seems more and more, no one is willing to compromise.
Hams want no CC&R and have everything want. Scanner people want what they
want. Short-wave people want what they want. My commute is 20 miles. I
would be fine with driving 30. Some people can't stand that, so they live
in vinyl villages and in urban areas. Some people think 10 miles or more of
a drive to work is horrible. I don't see how these people would survive if
they had not found their little niche a few decades ago. Would they just be
bitter? I know that if I want to live rural, I have to look at almost a 30
mile drive. So? I save my money and take care of my car. If it's that big
of deal, buy a Honda. Of course then there are the rich folks who can never
been seen in a Honda. Those are the people I tell to go buy an Acura!!

I have seen this attitude more and more with the younger generation. No
home less than 5 years old. Fancy SUVs, etc etc. Live paycheck to
paycheck. These are actually the CC&R cops you people talk about. Always
bitching about so and so violating this and that.....only because they think
their home is going to double in value in 10 years. Me, I hope to live as
rural as possible. Even if that means my ham can put up 500 towers.
Depending on what it does/doesn't do to my electronics and his/her attitude
after I let them know about it, will determine if I see them as friend or
foe. Hams serve a purpose, a good one....but this doesn't mean they should
use some law to skirt the rules of a contract they were never forced into.

"Midwest Kid" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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The problem is that in some places in this country finding an area
without
CCRs that will mean an unreasonably long communte to work.

That's my point. It seems more and more, no one is willing to compromise.
Hams want no CC&R and have everything want. Scanner people want what they
want. Short-wave people want what they want. My commute is 20 miles. I
would be fine with driving 30. Some people can't stand that, so they live
in vinyl villages and in urban areas. Some people think 10 miles or more
of
a drive to work is horrible. I don't see how these people would survive
if
they had not found their little niche a few decades ago. Would they just
be
bitter? I know that if I want to live rural, I have to look at almost a
30
mile drive. So? I save my money and take care of my car. If it's that
big
of deal, buy a Honda. Of course then there are the rich folks who can
never
been seen in a Honda. Those are the people I tell to go buy an Acura!!

I have seen this attitude more and more with the younger generation. No
home less than 5 years old. Fancy SUVs, etc etc. Live paycheck to
paycheck. These are actually the CC&R cops you people talk about. Always
bitching about so and so violating this and that.....only because they
think
their home is going to double in value in 10 years. Me, I hope to live as
rural as possible. Even if that means my ham can put up 500 towers.
Depending on what it does/doesn't do to my electronics and his/her
attitude
after I let them know about it, will determine if I see them as friend or
foe. Hams serve a purpose, a good one....but this doesn't mean they
should
use some law to skirt the rules of a contract they were never forced into.

And they shouldn't have to put up with people moving in
long before the ham did and using "some" idiot CCR crap
to make him take down his tower(s).

Jerry

"Midwest Kid" wrote:

My county just east of Indy has plenty of
non CC&R neighborhoods. (snip)


I worked in Indianapolis several years ago (as a security specialist for
DFAS in what was once Ft. Ben Harrision). Since the DoD supplied our
residence, we were not personally affected by CC&R's. However, we did
casually look into purchasing a house with the idea of possibly making that
area our home. During that process, we ran into several houses with CC&R's
(especially in the north-eastern part of town). But, on the south side of
town, none of the houses had a CC&R. That has probably changed today. But I
don't doubt the mostly open, mostly country, areas east of Indy are still
relatively free of CC&R's.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
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However, we did
casually look into purchasing a house with the idea of possibly making
that
area our home. During that process, we ran into several houses with
CC&R's (especially in the north-eastern part of town). But, on the south
side of town, none of the houses had a CC&R. But I don't doubt the mostly
open, mostly country, areas east of Indy are still relatively free of
CC&R's.

I do not know of _any_ single addition that was built in the 70s/80s without
CC&Rs actually vote to have them. In my area alone, there are 4 older
neighborhoods....none of them have CC&Rs. CC&Rs were rare and usually for
the high end neighborhoods. Now all the newer neighborhoods have CC&Rs.
The whole point is that besides the northside, Hamilton Co., and newer
additions...Indy provides plenty of neighborhoods on all sides that do not
have CC&Rs. I guess that is why I like it here and decided against moving
to see other parts of the country. I can only imagine how horrible mega
cities are. Still, fact is that Indy does offer plenty in terms of jobs in
almost all fields...especially bio-technology tied in with pharmaceuticals.
If I ever moved it would be to a like size city, and Montana, Idaho area
would be my first choice.

Exactly!

Looking through this thread, I see (time and again) that the people that are
either mistrustful of HOA's or outright hostile to the idea of them don't
live in an area with covenants and HOA's.

Good!

Having read some earlier posts by some of the people posting that are the
most dead-set against the idea, I know of two that actually live in mobile
homes. (Great post on how to get good AM signal inside the metal shell,
BTW). I have nothing against house trailers -- I rented one for two years
when I was in college. However, I do think SOME of these posters are hardly
authorities on keeping up property values in upscale neighborhoods.

In this case, one size doesn't fit all -- HOA's are most definitely NOT for
everybody -- particularly people that think that rules should apply to
everyone but themselves. However, just because they're not a good fit for
you, doesn't mean they're not a good thing for others. Don't like 'em --
don't move here -- that simple.

I chose to build in my particular neighborhood precisely because of the
covenants. We built the third house in our neighborhood, and we needed to
be sure that the rest of our subdivision would be comparable homes. Six
years later, we've got a great neighborhood and our house has increased in
value substantially.

Your mileage may vary.

-- Stinger

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
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"Midwest Kid" wrote:

My county just east of Indy has plenty of
non CC&R neighborhoods. (snip)


I worked in Indianapolis several years ago (as a security specialist for
DFAS in what was once Ft. Ben Harrision). Since the DoD supplied our
residence, we were not personally affected by CC&R's. However, we did
casually look into purchasing a house with the idea of possibly making
that
area our home. During that process, we ran into several houses with CC&R's
(especially in the north-eastern part of town). But, on the south side of
town, none of the houses had a CC&R. That has probably changed today. But
I
don't doubt the mostly open, mostly country, areas east of Indy are still
relatively free of CC&R's.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/